Boeing’s Downfall - Going for the MAX!!
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
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HOW did the changes in Boeing’s company culture after the McDonnell Douglas merger affect the creation of the 737 MAX? Well, there are TWO separate issues that we need to look at here:
The first one is THE DECISION launch the MAX. And the second is the WAY the plane’s development evolved, with some tragic decisions and mistakes made along the way. And Boeing’s evolution, after the merger, played a role on BOTH.
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PLS stop advertising Better Help, it's really underminding your trustworthiness. Instead of investigating Boeing maybe investigate them.
Let see how long your comment disappears. Mine was like in 2 minutes and another I noticed was about 5.
What did they do? I'm seeing that advertisement everywhere now.
Don’t watch his videos then
@@ejkk9513think they told someone that offing was their best choice or somethinh
UA-camrs aren't your friends and they don't care about you. They will advertise literally anything, including services that will harm their "community"
90s: If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going!
2024: If it ain't Airbus, I'm taking the bus!
If it *is* Boeing, I'm not going!
@@torstenscholz6243 To be fair to Boeing, I have rarely heard of any accidents on other Boeing models (maybe I'm not looking hard enough). Otherwise, yes.
I thought it was more the 2010s...Like after QF72. Lucky they had an experienced flight crew.
Boeing going gone
Want to hear a Boeing joke? Nevermind... won't take off!
Someone should have said to the McDonnell Douglas executives "you tried things that way at you own company and look where that ended up."
And this, not being said, is why I place the blame at Boeing as well for the downfall.
You don't simply let someone else tell you how to do things worse like that, there was some big greed going on to begin with.
Problem is McDonnell Douglas CEO took over
@@Jeez001 Yeah, but how? It wasn't an armed robbery, some heist or something like that. Boeing executive boards put him there, AND the rest of the McDonnel crowd in there too (I ain't even gonna put Doulgas in the name, let's face it).
Why did they do this, why did they allow this? Well, hard to resist someone saying you're gonna make more money right? Stupid to just believe it after goddamn seeing it failing on the adopted "partner" now.
@stuartaaron613 totally hit the nail on the head. How that happened in quite simple. As understand it:
1. MD's leaders negotiated the deal where they guaranteed their retention in seats of power (while MD's workforce is unceremoniously sacked).
2. Boeing agreed to this (basically handing corporate office control over to MD) 3. Boeing watched MD carve Boeing up like a turkey and sell off parts (ex: Wichita plant sale to Spirit) making Boeing only the engineering for the core aircraft final airframe assembler, sharing risk with its suppliers (but this also increases per unit cost).
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Boeing has now been turned into MD.
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4. Boeing reaps windfall and record profits with these huge cash infusions from selling off sub assembly plants as well and reducing expenses since owning those plants and employing those workers is expensive.
5. These new found revenues and profits attract investors and stock/shareholder value soars.
6. The spikes in profits gets leadership massive bonus's.
7. Their job done most of the old MD leaders retire, fat, rich, and happy leaving Boeing leadership, employees, and investors holding the check for the huge party.
So your right, Boeing played the willfully blind patsy making them complicit in their own downfall. Companies that take 2 decades to recognize revenue from their decisions cannot use quarterly statements as the measure of success. Boeing is what happens when your strategic vision gets that myopic and your being led by people only interested in their own bottom line.
@@larrybremer4930 That was exactly the way the things went.
Going from "working together" to "more with less" tells you everything. Very much like google taking away the "don't be evil" motto.
"More with less" is possibly the worst slogan ever for an airplane manufacturer company
Company culture is extremely powerfull, but it is not easily expressed in numbers and often not taken seriously by management and workers.
@@arnoldhau1 I fear that Boeing's company [anti]culture degrades the culture of their suppliers also, when the executives apply enough pressure, the attitude begins to flow in the meetings and schedules all the way through engineering on both sides of the call(s).
More with less covers just about anything you can think of, from the aircraft to the people.
In Google's case I don't think they were fooling anyone any longer so why not change it.
Virgin’s Richard Branson’s mantra was “look after your staff and they’ll look after your customers”
And I agree with that
I think SWA had the same philosophy under Herb.
@@MentourNow Says the guy whose union vilifies his employer. It always amazing me how union guys don't realize how unions create the us-vs-them mentality, and then blame it on the company. Classic class warfare, comrade!
@@uclajd In reality it's a bit of both. A company's primary objective is profit maximisation. A Trade Union's objective is to get the best for its members. Remember a trade union IS its members. They are conflicting objectives. Good companies and good TUs will compromise and find a good middle ground that keeps employees happy, well trained and with good benefits whilst delivering good profitability for the company.
@@uclajd If companies don't abuse their workers and treat them like an expense to be minimized and cut, then a union could never be started in the first place. The US rules make unionization very hard. If it succeeds, the company has to be really acting like assholes.
stop promoting better help , they are a scam.
I mean its Uber but for therapy, if someone wants to pay for their services (no way would i pay $300+ a month for a zoom meeting) then its not a scam. Have you experienced something bad?
psychologists are the modern era priests. they are there to make sure that people don't rock the boat of the sinking ship, the sinking ship modern, multicultural, feminine, demographically dying societies are. tell any psychologist that you want to start a political party, or joing any rebellius movement, and see them squeal, squeal like israelis when you tell them critique of the genocide of palestinians is not antisemitism.
It's not that they're necessarily a scam, although their past is apparently quite chequered. It's that I'm absolutely sick and tired of seeing 2 minute long sections on both better help and nord vpn on just about every high sub youtuber that I watch. As a result I will never purchase any services from either of these companies.
@@SombraCheeks Comparing a company to Uber doesn't really make it sound good. Uber is basically private unregulated taxis (already a red flag) that destroyed competition by actual taxis by reducing prices and running at a loss, and then immediately jacked up prices to try to make a profit (red flag number two). All while the people working for them are not technically employees (how tf is there not huge litigation around the world??). Any one of these things should have resulted in fines or even in their being banned from the region, but somehow they seem to have largely avoided it.
Do you have evidence? I’m curious to see it. Have you been scammed?
Taking away your workers pensions is a truly cruel act. Ofcourse the topguys never had THEIR pension in danger.
I can only imagine what Boeing brought to that negotiating table. That's the risk of depending on an organization that's publicly owned. If the company pension was replaced by a real investment plan it's a good idea long term but it should disappoint people who signed up for better. Yeah... It's not good. All I'm saying is I hope those workers are not now depending because plus / minus likely government intervention Boeing is doomed.
It's also ILLEGAL
@@data_abortthere’s another YTer who did a great video on the effects of antitrust laws and regulations that were conveniently abandoned. Goes into two major people like Milton Friedman who decided in the 70s that companies had ZERO obligation to their employees, community, etc. and their only prerogative is making money as much money for shareholders as possible.
Then Robert Bork who came to power when Nixon wanted to fire the special prosecutor investigating watergate and the AG refused and resigned, then the deputy AG did the same. Next in line, Bork who gave ZERO Fs. He also was a student of the “Chicago school” of economics which at the time was a fringe group. Before they had pushed antitrust restrictions because communism and fascism had power due to the monopolies behind them. Ironically, now they have switched it to say anyone who wants enforcement of regulations and antitrust laws or labor rights are “communists”.
Guy couldn’t even get appointed to SCOTUS. But both him and Friedman gained even more power under Reagan. That’s when lawsuits and breakups stopped and they started subsiding the rich and saying “it will trickle down”.🤣
@@princenoah21 Do you have a legal reference for your claim that "it's illegal" or are you just saying what you hope is true?
I've seen in so many companies that when management start seeing their employees as their enemies, it never ends well for the company.
The other piece of that : seeing your investors as your customers rather than the people who buy your product.
Ha, maybe don't form a union that instills an us vs them mentality and management won't hate you. The union mentality is the opposite of business productivity.
@@uclajd The Fortune 100 electric company I retired from is mixed At Will employees and Collective Bargaining employees. The two disciplines interact a lot; I was an at will IT support guy but I worked with linemen, troublemen, HVAC techs, electricians.... The relationship does not have to be antagonistic, but like a marriage both have to work to get along.
@@uclajd A good union sets standard minimum wages for various kinds of roles and rules regarding work conditions, as well as making themselves reachable if there's a problem. If the management of the company has a problem with that, that's on them.
@@uclajd Satisfied employees generally do not form a union. However, employees tend to form/join a union when they are mistreated. If a company does not want to work with a union, then it should treat their employees well so that these employees would have no desire to unionize.
You truly have to be a psychopath to equate your own management style to "Darth Vader"" and still think it's good in any way. I feel bad for the Boeing workers.
It doesn't need to be good, it just needs to be profitable. Employees are an obstruction between the investors and their returns.
There are a lot of sociopaths and psychopaths. They have to work somewhere!
@@JohnnyWednesday The dark triad is overrepresented in American management.
There's been a lot of that going around over the last 20 years or so. Powerful people openly evoking fictional villain imagery (often *specifically* mentioning Darth Vader or "the Dark Side of the Force") as something to emulate. It's seen as "tough".
@@zburnham ... Rather, employees are the ones who turn investment into returns.
Dude better help is a scam if you claim you care about your community then stop posting scams
Thanks sir. McDonald Douglas don’t care about safety only money making
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Maybe explain why it is a scam instead of just making these claims?
@@y4math they lied about their “professionals” being professionals you can find videos of peoples personal experiences with using better help and videos straight up calling them out with evidence to back it up
UA-camrs do adverts, it pays the bills nothing more.
It doesn't mean every product has been tested.
The first step to convincing the public that Boeing has fixed their culture is to actually FIX THE CULTURE.
I worked 12 years as a staff engineer for a vendor supplying systems to aerospace companies. Our two biggest customers were Boeing and Airbus. YOU NAILED IT! I keep hearing internet vigilantes saying Boeing should have done a new airplane instead of an upgrade to the 737. The truth is if Boeing had done a new aircraft under the same "schedule is king" philosophy, where problems are ignored or band-aided to maintain the schedule, the results would have cost more but been the same. Boeing was once famous for its design philosophy of “no single point failures”, yet on the Max they allowed a critical flight control system to depend on a single angle of attack sensor with a known high rate of failure, and then neglected to include any information on the MCAS or its failure modes in the crew training materials. In Boeing until recently it was the mealy mouthed managers who downplayed and ignored design issues rather than dealing with them who got promoted. I pray that this will change.
Boeing couldn't add extra information for pilots about MCAS or make it redundant because either of those actions would have meant it couldn't have had the same type certificate as non-MAX 737. And as this was already promised by the marketing department, they choose to take the risks.
I see this as yet another example how you shouldn't give marketing department any ability to override engineering. Unless we see a change in this part of the Boeing culture, there's no way for Boeing to build reliable aircraft in long term.
FAR 25.671(c)(1) already states that no single failure, regardless of probability, shall result in a catastrophic outcome. This is a certification reqt, not just a design philosophy.
@@johngunderson5463 MCAS was pretended to be an aid with an off switch, not a critical system, so it couldn't cause catastrophic outcome in theory.
And you cannot have no single failure if you consider failures such as tail snapping off the plane. You have to draw a line to some probability, always.
@@MikkoRantalainen FAR 25.671 is not referencing the structural integrity of the tail. 25.671(c)1 is the flight controls. The single failure is associated with DAL-A certification of system which has a failure probability of 10E-9. Single sensor input increases the failure tree risk probability above 10E-9 which is why two (or more) sensors are required.
@@Maker_Mikey I agree. The trick that Boeing did with MCAS was that they declared it is not a critical system so it didn't matter if it had failure rate above 10e-9.
In practice, it was a critical system demonstrated by two big crashes.
Im a Boeing mechanic and the way I see the company handing the tech pilots union and the firefighters union I don’t think Boeing is going to give in without a few months strike
We will see, I hope they will surprise you
ah yes, i think boeing still is going to make more mistakes before they are forced to do the right thing. that is the problem with circumnavigating problems: it makes more problems!
The union will fold like a wet newspaper. I bet they won't last two weeks. Too much debt.
Criminal charges at the very top. Put them in jail, for selling planes with a single "Angle of attack" sensor, and an MCAS that went crazy with a bad one. That will fix the culture!
the first thing Boeing needs to do is take the $47 million bonus from Calhoun and start a new pension fund for the employees!
You must be a union schlub if you have learned NOTHING from the pension problems of unions. Maybe we could have Jimmy Hoffa run the fund? Get in the 21st century and demand a solid defined contribution plan. Pensions, lol what is this 1966?
Calhoun declined his most recent bonus opportunity
It's not even that. Their service is an awful option in case you are really mentally vulnerable.
What service?
This should be the highest upvoted comment on this Forum.
Look at where once proud General Electric is today. A shadow of its former self and the blame for that can be squarely placed in the hands of its former CEO, Jack Welch. It should be noted that Boeing CEO Jim McNerney also worked at GE and was a loyal disciple of Welch. And he embodied many of the bad things that came with it, including a blind emphasis on profitability to the exclusion of all else. It's amazing how the business world celebrated these guys as if they could do not wrong. Look now at how the Welch philosophy has wreaked havoc across the landscape.
Bullshit. Jack Welch is a legend. GE failed after Welch left.
Profit over everything eats up the company. It's not obvious at the beginning, but employees will use up the tools they can get their hands on.
It's a death spiral, as the bean counters will report back that the new business approach works, as the hidden costs are not shown in their spread sheets. This "success" leads to even more pressure, before everything starts to break down.
For management it will be a surprise. For the workers it's just the logic conclusion.
But try to raise such issues before the first obvious issues are coming up, you will be shown the successes in the spreadsheets.
It's always the same, not just Boeing.
"I don't care" - some guy from San Diego who sold his house for $1.2 millies
@@uclajd A legend at hiding corporate debt in places where people didn't think to look. That made GE look better than it was... for a while.
You always have more money right after selling your house, your car, and any other vital asset.
I’m only 1 minute into the video and the “more with less” moto just Shouts cutting corners and saving costs on everything
Except union member Petter doesn't mention that the union position is to do less with more. It works both ways. Unions raise the costs of labor (or why would someone join a union?)
@@uclajd Unions can do much more than that. But it's on the company to make use of it.
Unions can help with creating a safe workspace
They can increase efficiency
They can increase innovation
etc...
But if the companies top sees them as enemies, they are forced to behave like enemies.
The result is a failing company.
@@Robbedem Nonsense, unions are a cancer. If the Boeing unions wanted government safety regulations for their workplace, they could have collectively bargained for it. But instead, they bargained it away to get more compensation.
@@Robbedem As a retiree from a business that has both "at will" (like me) and union workers, I 110% agree. Unions generally have a lot more emphasis on safety than we might think. For the voting members safety means they go home unhurt, and safety for the customers who ultimately pay everybody means more pay in the long run.
"More (risk) with less (engineering)"
Boeing and McDonnell Douglas should have never merged
People would still be alive today if that did not happen. Generations of people would be born if that did not happen. Unfotunatly it did .
Fax (yes I still say this word )
Literally the WORST thing that ever happened to Boeing✈️
Even if they did not merge, Boeing would have gone in the same direction
the same goes for all huge multinational corporations formed in the oligarchy formerly known as the united staes of america
You know something is SERIOUSLY FUBAR when keeping the shareholders happy is more important than making a good product.
I dispute this premise. This is not what Boeing management believes. It's union propaganda.
It is a common malady, I'm afraid. The process is clear enough and every bit as toxic as you describe. Publicly owned companies elect Board members regularly, with stockholders wanting high returns in the immediate quarter at the expense of long term benefits. The Board elects the CEO, so everybody is on the same page. If you have seen the movie "Other People's Money" with Danny DeVito you will understand.
I should know. The Fortune 100 electric company I retired from was run by a remarkable CEO for more than a decade, but then a new board came in and he went out. Spares were liquidated to improve the bottom line; all the company's business offices were closed. Ultimately, the hard line customer practices led to a customer's death when his power was disconnected in the Phoenix summer. That incident was a deal-breaker; the CEO was ousted.
Looking at the path Boeing has taken in recent years I see the same failure to properly focus on the business.
Not just appeasing the shareholders... Appeasing the short term ones who don't particularly give a toss about the company.
Long term shareholders, who are the actual owners of the company, would likely prefer quality products to create long term income from increased future sales and reputation.
@@tin2001 i think you hit the nail right on the head there.
This is actually the default now for public traded companies. Screw the customer, get my quarterly numbers for my bonus and stock options. Since billionaires have now effectively purchased all 3 branches of our government, sky is the limit for them.
"Specifically" Harry Stonecipher stated that he wanted to REPLACE Boeing's "Family" culture with a "Team" concept (get rid of those that aren't contributing to winning). Of course "Team" meant recruiting from outside the "Family" and all Boeing's "Culture" and "Ethos" began to be broken up...
Good point
And when that culture and ethos is gone... it is gone forever.
@@FrancisFjordCupola Amen, Brother; they can't come back.
"When the company board stops listening to the engineers; even the bean counters."
The board denied stop listening to the engineer.
As the same time, the darkforce will make sure the engineer stop talking first.
(Dead people never talk)
What? 😂
Loved this series but you should really drop Better Help as a sponsor, they're literally a proven scam. Extra points if you make a video exposing them 👍🏻
You should start sponsoring him first
What does that have to do with Boeing
I worked at Boeing when it "merged" with MD. Things only got worse. I left soon after and am so glad I did. I'm quite disappointed with what Boeing has become. Boeing may well deserve to go under.
Of course, we know what'll happen if it does go: a bunch of highly-paid lobbyists will descend on Washington, citing how Boeing is one of the largest defence contractors in the US, how the US will be without an airliner maker, how you can't cede that to filthy foreigners.
And someone'll write a cheque for three hundred billion of taxpayers' dollars to the company, and nearly twenty percent of that will go towards fixing the company's problems, eventually. Maybe.
It never stops surprising me how corporate America thinks fighting your workers is a good idea... well over a century after others have figured out how much energy that wastes. Well. Wasting resources is one of the things the US is good at.
As if unions have no responsibility for the us-vs-them mentality. Get real dude. Unions make labor more expensive (or why join a union?) so the airlines have to seek margins somewhere. Dudes doing 19th century labor skills think they should be paid like doctors lol.
yeah they waste all the worlds resources through the us dollar scam, to be precise. good thing that scam is coming to an end, now that the us has had about 10 failed coups/occupations/revolutions in the last 8 years.
@@uclajd In that case why should people not doing any work be able to get money from work of others?
It goes all the way back to the "scientific management" movement in the 1880s, which was pioneered by a man who claimed that "a man who is fit to wield pig iron shall be so stupid that he more closely resembles in character the ox." This approach of treating workers like beasts of burden did initially lead companies to perform better, but it also led directly to the rise of labor unions, and it started to fail spectacularly when industrial processes became too complex for one man at the top to understand and direct everything.
Just look at how corrupt the U.S. government is; They let the Federal Reserve Bank-a private financial institution, decide on interest rates, etc.
Just knee-jerk reacting to your competitors is a business death spiral.
Reacting is one thing but not wanting to fast and change while reacting is another.
Actually it’s a chess match. Boeing and Airbus watch the market and competition before choosing what they’ll lock the company into developing for the next 7 to 10 and spending 12 to 16 billion to develop. Huge risks if they guess wrong. Boeing had no choice when Airbus started getting orders for the a321. Either lose market share and wait to develop the MoM or try to stretch the 737 one more time to buy them time to finish up 787 development. If not for the decision to include a piece of unnecessary software it would have been a good decision
In a few weeks the only comments here will be to drop betterhelp😂
I think you’re right!
Not with him deleting all the top rated comments regarding it, his team is working hard to shift the narrative back to the fawning fanboys
@@elderflour he most likely has a contract that would be veeery expensive to break away from so they rlly cant do anything
Honestly sick of all the betterhelp comments after learning it was pewdiepie who got that ball rolling. Pewdiepie fans are so damn annoying.
@@DavidWest2I was wondering if it was somebody with a meaningfully large fanbase who lit the fire under it. I've never bothered with any content of his that wasn't specifically related to climbing-and even then I'm not planning on going back. The cringe factor was significant.
Carbon fiber vessels are remarkably good at dealing with pressure. From the inside.... *cough* don't make submarines out of them though *cough*
In other words it's great in tension, not so much in compression.
@@cr10001 yeah... it is basically strings in glue... pull it and the strings take up the stress... push it and the glue collapses.
@@cr10001 Correct! Tests have proved that it really is so.
If you haven't seen it, the @RealEngineering channel has an excellent video on Titan and Oceangate.
If they built the sub you're referring to out of metal it still wouldn't have survived. It's not the carbon fibre's fault the company was reckless.
The LEAP *was* shrunk for the 737 Max! Leap-1A (A320) fan diameter 78". Leap-1C (Comac C919) 77". Leap-1B (737Max) 69.4".
This is almost the same diameter difference as the CFM56's for the original A320 and the 737NG.
(Source: Wikipedia)
The 737's short legs are a fundamental limitation that just can't be easily overcome.
Would have had to be alot smaller if not for the changes
Indeed.
A CEO saying he modeled his management style on Darth Vader should have disqualified him.
Please stop promoting better help. Good video tho
The irony of b etterhelp being advertised in a video how Boeing mishandled information
If I built airliners, the last motto I would want is one that sounds like you are cutting corners. "More with less" sounds like they want to pump out planes with less parts... meaning less redundancy systems, lower quality parts/software.
Sorry, but that motto doesn't fill me with any confidence as a consumer of flying.
Boeing's HQ move to Chicago now to Washington DC was the ultimate finger to all the Seattle based workers that made Boeing. Only now are we beginning to see the fallout from that decision.
Obviously the "quick money" / game-playing nitwits still running Boeing wanted to be EVEN CLOSER to their huge "lobbying wing" in D.C. For after all -- bribing politicians is far easier than repairing the corporate culture that these same fools gleefully broke.
Piss on Seattle
I’m so glad that everyone in the comments are talking about Better Help and how they’re a scam. Hopefully, he’ll take a chance to hear everyone out and stop working with them. It’s really sad to see a creator work with a company like that. Please do better Peter.
Awesome episode and especially closing. As someone who is currently working at a company with management/employees trust issues, nothing will help other than the current management coming clean in an honest way, which also means not allowing Calhoun and his team to cash out in a big way…
Once trust is lost how do you know management is trustworthy? Every decision becomes suspect. The whole board need to go.
Boeing fix:
1) New CEO has to be a expericened aero / mechanical engineer. No more low IQ BBA, MBA, JD suit fillers
2) Get Union and employees on board, given them all that they want since Boeing will collapse without them.
3) Put 100% of profits for next 15 years in to the company, not investors.
4) Build 737 replacement and new 757 with composite like 787, each which could be re-engined with UFD engines later on.
If only McDonnell Douglas would allow that
That ceo would be fitted on the spot by the stock holders. They need their quarterly profits.
American capitalist culture is about sucking companies dry until there is nothing of value left. No long term vision
I’m a firm believer in the guy at the top should’ve worked his way from the bottom or at least as you correctly state be an experienced engineer elsewhere. Too many boardroom only understand how money works and not the actual product.
I've got a JD and I assure you my IQ is 20 points higher than yours. Unions are a cancer.
Not sure where they'll find someone like that though - unless from Airbus...
Boeing and the FAA had over 200 complaints about 737 rudder issues between 1965 and 1994, ignored 1991 crash at Colorado Springs killing 25 souls. When the 1994 Pittsburgh crash killed 132 souls, NTSB got serious on Rudder Control Unit issue. Aviation safety advances ACCIDENTALLY
Boeing should have listened to its whistleblowers, rather than silencing them…
They listened , they just listened to their executives and shareholders more.
Yeah, i wonder when Petter will be getting into that.
Obviously there needs to be an investigation into that, and probably only after the results are out, or if it starts to look really bad, only then will he talk about it.
But it would be kinda nice to know what his initial feelings about it are.
What are you talking about? Boeing didn't silence them... They silenced their pistols... The silenced pistols silenced the whistleblowers.
@@tin2001 😂👌🏻
Thank you for this well-researched and thorough series. I suspect many people will see their own companies going down similar paths as Boeing. Many organizations could benefit from watching your series (it’s almost like learning from history could help prevent you from repeating it 😔).
With gratitude from the Patreon crew
I feel this all boils down to greed. Companies are profit focused, and they also depend on shareholder investments where shareholders care only about short term gains. We need to change this combination of focus on short term goals and trying to squeeze every single drop of money out of everything
@@jinbe-san It's really the short-term gains that are the worst issue. Feels like no one in finance cares about the long picture anymore, it's all just about the next quarter.
@@jinbe-san OK commie, let's have a centrally planned economy in the US, that will work out well.
As discussed earlier, one of the big changes at Boeing was shifting cost and risk from Boeing to it suppliers. We see the same thing within Boeing, with Boeing management shifting cost and risk to employees. This is why there is still fear about speaking up, there is a pressure to take the personal risk of speaking up, with a good chance it will sink your performance review or hurt your program. Management does not take this risk, they pat themselves on the back for listening or telling the customer, but the person who hurt the schedule, well, they are another matter.
Very insightful.
McNerney wasn't an engineer. He majored in American Studies at Yale and got an MBA at Harvard. Early in the tech industry the investors would replace the technical founders with MBAs. They learned later that was a mistake.
When your boss sees himself as Darth Vader, time to leave.
Can't help but wonder what the aviation world would look like today if Boeing had decided to replace the 737NG with a baby 787 instead of pushing the 737 architecture to its absolute limit with the MAX...
One thing I'm wondering about, when the Max issue first happened, there were talks of Boeing having cash flow issues. Now, with the different issues severely limiting deliveries of all aircraft types (and AFAIK a plane gets paid on delivery), we don't hear about any urgent cash problems, even though interest rates are far higher than they were in 2019. How are they managing that?
From if "it's not boeing im not going" to "if it's boeing im not going"
I'll throw in this one:
"If it aint Airbus it's GroundBus"
Feels like still needs sime refinement but at least it's relatively short
Unfortunately, the bean counters at Boeing prefer quick and cheap solutions rather than technically complex but industry leading developments. Now they have completely lost touch with the competition due to their sloppiness.
The more recent business model in America prefers stock buybacks to research and development. It’s a losing strategy in the long run. Boeing is a microcosm to a bigger problem.
Flew on a 737Max for first time last night. What really struck me was the poor quality of the interiors. The seats are already sagging with no support, the door handles in all the bathrooms were broken and the washbasins were coming apart. Massive contrast to the 777 and Airbus 350 I also flew in recently.
You have to remember that short haul jets will suffer greater wear than their long-haul cousins. They have short turnaround times so don't get the thoroughness of cleaning or attention between flights as a long haul would. Also depending on the airline you used they may have specified the cheapest options for the seats and washrooms. Something not done so much with long haul.
Taking care of the interiors are mostly the job of the airline though. As long as it’s not down to build quality, you can’t really blame Boeing for that.
@@cjmillsnun I thought about that yes. It was a 4h30 mins flight and they clearly went for the budget options....no screens for entertainment for instance. But we have many of the older 737s and 320s on our budget airlines for short haul (2 hours max) flights here in South Africa and their interiors are basic but very robust. And they must be 10 years plus older than the Max I flew in last night so I was really taken aback at the cheap plastics and finishing evident.
@johanlamprecht5577 ... You need friends! Friends don't let friends fly Boeing!
@@MentourNow how much did CCP paid U ❓
Boing blew it, dropping the clean sheet ‘797’. Now they’re 10 years behind. Be not surprised if Airbus hasn’t begun a similar airplane. With Airbus characteristics.
What's "Boing" ?
@@gertjanvandermeij4265Boring ...no 797
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 The sound a Boeing makes when it hits the ground in an unscheduled way.
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 It is the sound that MCAS makes, just before it flies a plane straight into the ground with hundreds of people on board.
@@angelarch5352 Legend has it, that's what Boeing assemblers say, grinning, while jumping on the panels to make them fit.
Amazing series! I’ve always been curious about something regarding the MCAS. The Brazilian regulation agency ANAC required training for the MCAS as it was something new. I’ve read somewhere they provided some training on an iPad.
Have you ever talked to any Gol Airlines (the one who operated the Max in Brazil)? I’m curious about what kind of training was provided and if it was enough for them to recognize the issue if something like Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines happened to them.
Regarding culture change - human beings create and drive culture. Unless you change some of these humans at the top on down, the culture of the company won't change.
That’s completely true
Right, bottom-up protest raise the visibility and priority of issues, but real transformation only happens when the top has either a change of heart or a change of head.
Repairing the culture can be helped by not whacking whistleblowers mafia style......
You need to do better vetting of sponsors, that's pretty much a scam you're peddling.
How is better help a scam? I'm seeing this comment all over his videos but nobody is linking evidence.
As an Enginner, i salute our Macguiness Unions and their members who make our parts.
Airbus could be working in secret right now on a composite airframe for the a320. And Boeing would be caught again with their pants down
First time poster as most the time your videos are perfect,
However let me koin the masses saying stop advertising better help, please
I would like this series to continue with maybe one more episode to sum up the previous ones and finish the story. It doesn't have to be hurried, especially in the light of union contract negotiations and the possible early departure of the CEO (fingers crossed). I don't see the re-engineering of the company (pun intended) to happen before the end of the decade because of all the problems -that have to be resolved in all of it's divisions (Space: Starliner, ULA Military:KC-46, T-7A Commercial:737 MAX, 787, 777-9). Bringing the company back to where it was 30 years ago will be a herculean task for the new management team.
We will see what we can do.. it might happen.
Better Help is the Boeing of mental health.
Remember to downvote and report for medical misinformation
*_I_* certainIy wouldn't use them. I found out about the whole BetterHelp controversy in the online article entitled: *_Better Help - What’s The Real Story? [2024]_* where it states:
"In recent years, BetterHelp has been embroiled in several controversies that have raised concerns about its business practices and the quality of care provided on the platform.
One of the biggest controversies surrounding BetterHelp is its handling of user data. In 2018, the company came under fire when it was revealed that BetterHelp was sharing user data with third parties, such as Facebook, without explicit consent.
Additionally, in the same year, BetterHelp faced scrutiny over allegations of deceptive pricing, poor service quality, and inconsistent terms of service related to promotions by social media influencers.
Specifically, BetterHelp provided anonymized metadata to partners for targeted advertising purposes, including sensitive information like users’ age, location, and health information.
This was done despite BetterHelp’s privacy policy stating that user information would remain private and confidential.
In 2023, BetterHelp settled with the FTC for $7.8 million over these deceptive practices and prohibited the company from using these types of business practices going forward.
This controversy raised alarms about how secure and private user data is on BetterHelp’s platform. Many questioned if they could trust BetterHelp to keep their information safe, given this violation of users’ privacy.
Another issue that has plagued BetterHelp is doubts about the quality and qualifications of its therapists. Some users have complained that therapists on the platform seem unprofessional, inexperienced, or underqualified.
Unlike in-person therapy, BetterHelp users claimed they could not check the credentials or licenses of the therapists they were matched with.
BetterHelp claims they thoroughly vet and screen all therapists, but some argue there is still a lack of transparency."
The thing is, in the Wall Street culture of this century, "we're willing to lose sales for a couple of years to come up with a superior product" would have resulted in a stock price drop, a shareholders' rebellion and the eventual removal of the whole board and executives anyway to be replaced with leadership that would again re-focus on "we want rising sales and rising stock value NOW".
Wall Street, in other words, has the faculties of a three-year-old, and should be told to go into its room to play with itself while responsible adults run businesses and countries.
@@jannepeltonen2036it's the collective decisions of UA-cam viewers.
It is sad what has happened to Boeing. I was worried something was amiss when instead of competing with the A220 they went to the US govt to keep it out of the market. Then dumber yet, they let Airbus swoop in and buy it for $1 buck and assume manufacturing costs. Not that the A220 has been a huge success. But the approach Boeing took towards it was the issue.
And understanding how quickly Boeing flipped from the new aircraft to the MAX shows some serious emotionally lead instead of logical leadership. When was the last time emotionally driven responses lead to good outcomes?
Boeing did something with the USAF KC-46 Pegasus aerial refueling plane. Airbus initially won the competition for the contract, so Boeing executives sued to reopen the bidding. Fast forward to now: the Boeing plane has been plagued with a decade of delays and millions in cost overruns, wasn’t worldwide mission capable until 7 years after it should have been operational, and still can’t get certification to use its probe-and-drogue system to refuel US Navy planes.
Short term cost cutting for quarterly reports has an exceedingly high long term cost.
I recommend watching/rewatching the 2014 Al-Jazeera documentary The Boeing 787: Broken Dreams here on UA-cam. It’s fascinating, and truly disheartening, to see that all of Boeing’s underlying problems were well known already ten years ago, and that the consequences have just snowballed since then.
The funny thing is that Boeing acts as if it's too late to do a clean sheet design. I think that, and a decade of better decisions, is what it is going to take to bring Boeing back into the fold with 4-star and 5-star airlines. MORE WITH LESS means, More problems With Less talent.
And it is true. More or less. The main draw of a new plane, is the new engine. The engine is old already. Next up is that we want a fossil free society. The later the plane is released the less time it will have in the air. Also, come on. Look at the 777X. Folding wingtips and they can't even get that certified. Imagine a whole new plane. It'll come on the market after Airbus has gone green and then you need a quick redraw for another new version.
Yes i agree 100%
I’ve been a great fan of both of your channels now for a few years. I’ve used a couple of your promotional links for audible and Ground News. I like supporting what you do but better help is definitely not the way to go. Please take a little bit of time to vet this company before you take another sponsorship for them.
I love your content, but Betterhelp will tarnish your brand and image. Some money is not worth taking.
Re how Boeing's engineers feel, I recently took a short flight in the UK and was seated near a gentleman who was chatting with one of the cabin crew. After a bit of small talk, the air hostess asked him what he did. He half-heartedly tried to dodge the question before admitting that he was an engineer with Boeing (we were flying in a turbo-prop Embraer, if I remember right). He very quickly qualified that he didn't do any work on the airframe, he worked on the seats.
I was in a thoughtful mood for the rest of the flight. How bad must it be for these guys, both with Boeing's management and the public perception, for them to be ashamed to admit they work for Boeing?
Better help sells the data of the people that use the service and in their previous TOS they didn't guaranted that the practician has a diplom, so avoid them
Where can i buy that data that they sell?
Boeing went from working together to pleasing investor and there are downsides
Right, because the unions have warm and fuzzy we're all on the same team mentality, LOL. Working together LOL dude get real.
@@uclajdSo did the CEO and upper management take a pay cut or did they only ask the machinists to do so?
@@gikigill788 Irrelevant, as executive pay is a rounding error to a huge company's bottom line. If you want them to do it for emotional reasons, fine, but it has no effect financially.
Very good and interesting material, but it was also necessary to mention financial engineering, on which Boeing spent a lot of money, I mean the purchase of shares and their redemption to increase the company's value, it's a pity that they didn't invest this money in the development of products and employees, certainly not today it would be in such a position, but it was the management's fault.
Petter, sounds like you described yourself: very well versed with the industry, fantastic story telling ability, obviously great knowledge of Boeing aircraft? Go send them your CV. :)
Absolutely loving this Series
How did you guys comment 1 day ago💀
patreon
That's what I was trying to figure out! I thought I was first!
Video was not listed probably and maybe those are Patreons or test viewers who got the link early.
They get early access, because they support Mentour Pilot on Patreon.
witchcraft and sorcery😂
probably one of the best first steps the new CEO could do is to have an offer on the table that restores the benefits taken away in the last negotiations, along with a full cost of living increase.
demanding labor take pay cuts to fund executive pay increases is the best way in the world to destroy labor relations.
Nonsense. Your math needs work. Divide the compensation of 12 executives by 170,000 employees and your get a negligible amount of pay. Unions are what destroys labor relations.
Defined-benefit retirement plans aren't sustainable with modern lifespans and retirement ages. You can wind up paying a retiree as long or longer than they worked for you.
@@Harrier42861 Exactly. But tell a greedy union member that.
New CEO should make an announce to employee like "We will not kill you."
🥱
Yes. They will not kill you, you will just be found after a voluntary ascension to a higher plane of existence. Two whistleblowers already this year/
A CEO can announce any friendly thing and middle/lower management can still go around chopping employees into confetti. The entirety of management must change (good luck with that).
The new CEO should be honest, and say, "We will not kill most of you,"
Except whistleblowers.
Love your informed and clearly stated analyses. It really brings the issues to the front. Thanks for such great videos.
Good closing suggestions, particularly that for moving the corporate headquarters back to Seattle. A failure to do that suggests that the company's leadership still isn't serious about restoring that safety culture and the accompanying long-term thinking.
Thank you for making these awesome videos, Petter!❤
Brand B is the only major aerospace company that has a union for engineers.
Yep, so much union bias here it's a joke.
Monopolies are bad. Just one union too little. Besides that, the whole big fallacy. Airbus is not built in a single country. It's built in multiple.
I don't understand keeping the ads for BetterHelp. Especially with you saying you use them. Either you don't care about the privacy of your health data, you are only here to bag money and don't care what you market or you have a contract you cannot break for now. I hope it's the last one. And that you will address this issue soon
Big companies have big contracts. He isn’t able to break the contract unless he wants to be in big legal trouble. I’d expect to see it until this current contract expires.
@@MrSir2552Fair enough. If it's the case he should address it. I find crazy to do a series of videos in which the previous video was a "critique" of Boeing's greed while promoting BetterHelp without talking about it.
My problem is for all of the people in distress that could fall for it because they need help. I might be a wishful thinker but I dislike manipulation of distressed people...
@@alcaulique8358 Trust me, I don’t enjoy it either, especially with a company as shady as theirs. But sadly, he can’t really do anything but promote them until the contract ends. Hopefully the end date comes soon.
Capitalism bad, dude needs to eat, therefor shill deadly services
Well, *_I_* certainIy wouldn't use them either. I found out about the whole BetterHelp controversy in the online article entitled: *_What’s The Real Story? [2024]_* where it states "In recent years, BetterHelp has been embroiled in several controversies that have raised concerns about its business practices and the quality of care provided on the platform.
One of the biggest controversies surrounding BetterHelp is its handling of user data. In 2018, the company came under fire when it was revealed that BetterHelp was sharing user data with third parties, such as Facebook, without explicit consent.
Additionally, in the same year, BetterHelp faced scrutiny over allegations of deceptive pricing, poor service quality, and inconsistent terms of service related to promotions by social media influencers.
Specifically, BetterHelp provided anonymized metadata to partners for targeted advertising purposes, including sensitive information like users’ age, location, and health information. This was done despite BetterHelp’s privacy policy stating that user information would remain private and confidential. In 2023, BetterHelp settled with the FTC for $7.8 million over these deceptive practices and prohibited the company from using these types of business practices going forward.
This controversy raised alarms about how secure and private user data is on BetterHelp’s platform. Many questioned if they could trust BetterHelp to keep their information safe, given this violation of users’ privacy.
Another issue that has plagued BetterHelp is doubts about the quality and qualifications of its therapists. Some users have complained that therapists on the platform seem unprofessional, inexperienced, or underqualified.
Unlike in-person therapy, BetterHelp users claimed they could not check the credentials or licenses of the therapists they were matched with.
BetterHelp claims they thoroughly vet and screen all therapists, but some argue there is still a lack of transparency."
It's certainly the case that they need a clean sheet leadership. Someone who fully understands what it takes to run an aviation company properly. Someone who can make investors believe, and wait for really quite a long time.
The challenge seems to be that the stories that need to be told are going to feel to many to be stretching credibility. The recent managements have pushed the company so far down into the pit of despair that the story is going to have to be very tall indeed to see out. Certainly, investors are going to have to take a very severe haircut, and probably customers too. And during that period, they'd be super vulnerable to further Airbus expansion. John Leahy of Airbus said, "market share is what matters". He was right; it's impossible to make money if you've got no market share.
I truly feel that they need to install a management who have the authority to close the company down in an as orderly manner as possible. That may not be necessary, but if the management does not have that freedom then they're operating under a constraints. They absolutely cannot be constrained in anyway, even on this matter. Nor should management be allowed to be shareholders; they need to be absolutely neutral in what happens next. The shareholders are not the only stakeholder with power in this situation; the US Gov is an important and very powerful stakeholder too (if they want to be, and they can become so with a single phone call). It could be that a new management can construct a plan that works for some stakeholders like the US Gov and customers, but not for shareholders; if that is the only viable plan, then it probably has to be taken seriously. There's no point destroying the entire outfit due to a limited fiduciary view of how the company should be run.
They moved from aviation engineering to financial engineering.
Even though they were good less than 30 years ago, I think there is something to say for how hard it is to build something vs how easy it is to tear it down.
Both my parents and a brother had careers at Boeing. The negative impact of the culture change was much worse than even what was described here. Between the constant threat of lay offs and increasing abuse from upper management led to a very difficult job/home life.
I'm enjoying this series. Thank you.
Excellent explanation. Boeing should be watching your series.
Boeing - they don't listen. They shut you down. Be careful with what you say 🤐
I bet the top Boeing executives didn't take any compensation cuts.
McDonnell Douglas + Boeing = McBoeing
We are getting McDonalds quality products in the aviation industry... that won't end well.
Betterhelp is a known bad actor. Please stop promoting them - it will lead to your viewers being hurt.
Your videos are invariably fascinating and thought provoking. Brilliant 👌
Glad you like them! 💕💕
For non Americans who don't know- publicly traded companies here legally MUST prioritize growth and profits over their employees, otherwise shareholders can take legal action.
I worked Boeing Wichita. From 1984 to 1994.
Worked on a modification side we did CRAFT freighter programs.
HELP MODIFY AIR FORCE 1 UNIT 1 AND UNIT 2.
WORK THE FULL LINE OF THE KC-135 ON PROGRAM DEPOT MAINTENANCE.
YOU'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB WITH YOUR COVERAGE WITH THE LAST THREE SERIES.
A TIP OF THE HAT TO YOUR FINE PRODUCTION
I'm sorry for everything being in all caps.
I know that is a signature of yours, but I felt some release when you didn't send me the "see you" shot...
Betterhelp doesn't provide therapy, they don't treat people, in fact they reject people in need of help. Terrible sponsor. I've tolerated it for a while now, but if I see them again I'm just gonna unsub. Maybe that's worth it for you, but I thought you were better than this.
Unsub because he has to honor a contract that he signed who knows how long ago? With all the comments he’s been getting about them, I’m sure he wishes he could drop them, but he can’t. He has to wait for the contract to expire.
@@MrSir2552 Do they have a gun to his head? Has he said anything about a contract? Has he even acknowledged any of the comments?
Advertising BetterHelp is a really shit move
I miss that “engineer oriented” Boeing a lot. Hope one day people start to say “if isn’t Boeing I’m not going” again
I’ve seen loads of criticism against Better Help, it then got my thinking why an experienced pilot making over 100K definitely needs to get sponsors for his videos when he has all that money and a Patreon???
(Also I’m not having a go or anything, I love your content Petter)
I don't mind, i always skip sponsors anyway, let them pay for the content if they want...
I believe he has several people who are paid employees who work on these videos with hjm now. That can get expensive.
@@tin2001 He’s still going to be loaded if he is a captain and flight instructor.
@@TraineePilotJesshe probably makes more from his UA-cam channel now than from his pilot work. Another pilot from pilot blog channel already retired from his pilot work and said that he is fine with UA-cam now and that gives him more freedom. Looks like petter doesn't want to leave his pilot work even though the money he makes on UA-cam and UA-cam alone without sponsors would be more than enough for most people in this world
Conclusion of a great series
Great video again.
Offtopic here: I like your videos and the explanations you give. As long as you have Betterhelp as your sponsor, I'm downvoting the videos.
He probably has a contract running with them that he has to honor. It's unfortunate but I don't think he has a choice.
Like the person above said, he has a contract he has to honor. He has no choice but to promote them until the current contract runs out unless he would be in pretty big legal trouble.
Is Betterhelp not good?
@@avneet12284Short version is (and this is present on their TOS page), although they say they wouldn't sell your info, they do. Although they say they have licensed specilists, they say they don't. Have been sued and convicted several times for their practices
@@Kaenguruu I'm pretty sure, such a contract could be contested since it was signed under false assumptions.
Video: Good 👍, Sponsor: 🤮
Unsubscribed now as this sponsorship is hurting your reputation
A middle ground is to watch the videos up until the betterhealth ad starts.
If you do a fourth episode of this series, I think talking about the move of 787 production from Everret to Charleston would be very interesting.