Hello doc. Pure math says: If every organ addition (19) have 95% to success. 37.74% chance of survival all of that. Almost 2/3 of pacients, "dont make it"...
I just wanted to share a few WH40k lore points with you that might help you out. 1. The Emperor was born in early Sumeria about 15k years before the birth of Jesus of Nazareth. 2. He and a female Perpetual named Irda created 21 Primarchs not 20. Alpharius has an identical twin named Omegon. 3. The Primarchs were creted in labs using the Emperors male DNA, Irda's female DNA, and each had a 3rd DNA used. Such as the DNA of a Fenrisian Greater Wolf for Lemann Russ. Or an unknown, possibly extinct species, that could survive the most hostile evironments in Mortarian. 4. There is a newer Astartes called Primaris Marines that are bigger, faster, stronger, and more evolved. This is accomplished by the Rubican surgery. Otherwise, this has been very interesting. I actually wasn't aware that medical science precursors to so many of the gene seed organs.
I don't think you realize how impressive it is to make a video on space marines as a non-warhammer channel and actually get positive feedback. 40k fanboys love to tear into anyone that makes the slightest lore misstep
Trust me the people online aren't as bad as the ones at the local store here. I resent my local scene bunch of angry neckbeards that'll have a mental breakdown whenever shit doesn't go like they want...Hope to find a better community soon.
"In 2022, our crops are basically space marines." And they shall be my finest horticulture, these plants that give of their crop to me. Like clay I shall mold them, and in the fields of my farm forge them. They will be of iron stalk and enhanced nutritional value. In great pesticides shall I clad them and with the mightiest scarecrows will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have crop rotations, agriculturalists, and harvesters so that no season can best them in growing. They are my bulwark against the hunger. They are the defenders of humanity's stomachs. They are my superfoods, and they shall know no drought. I have too much time on my hands. XD
Who would've thought back in 2006 that one day this platform would have high production quality videos with _actual,_ real life surgeons, expertly dissecting pop culture for the general public. Thank you, doc. Your time and effort in making this is deeply appreciated!
Its also become a dictatorship censoring channels YT doesnt like. Even channels like forgotten weapons which is a historical channel. UA-cam sucks compared to what is used to be.
Big props on him actually calling out that Space Marines are meant to be a monastic order aka monks. Most folks don't really seem to remember that aspect about them which in this is really cool to see
Some* some space marines are like that. Most are not, they view the emperor as a man. The best humanity has ever produced but still a man. That black Templar propaganda getting you all hard an sheeeeet
damn heretic, falling for lorgars propaganda. the imperial truth held there are no gods, no religion, no monks! only lorgar with his venomous bile infected the imperium and culminated in the imperial creed #BlameLorgar
I mean. They aren't. The emperor was very much against that whole sort of thing. They were weapons. Expendable ones at that. They were intended to be lead by normal men not an isolated society.
@@TehOmnissiah You would have been correct pre-heresy (30k). Post-Heresy (40k), the Eclesiarchy (sp?) has transformed the Emperor into a God figure and the cult of the emperor is not only the dominant religion, the Inquisitors will feeeeck you up if you're not a believer.
@@MastaSquidge See my reply to the other dude from Korea above this one :) It's a Pre/Post Heresy debate. Since this video refferences the 40th millenium, it's accurate that the Cult of the Emperor is a thing. So very much Clerics/Monks.
As a Warhammer lore nerd, I am impressed with your level of research, and I think this video was great. Also love how you included Weshammer and Majorkill, good pulls!
I'm about halfway through the video and already found some pretty bad mistakes: - space marines are not battle monks (except the black templars) - primarchs didn't lead chapters, but legions - until the great stupid ripped the galaxy apart, there was no successfull gene-editing since the 30th millenium (after the great stupid the fvcking squirrel had to pop up... I.WILL.NOT.RANT!)
@@FulloutPostal Yeah, I noticed those as well, but 40k is huuuuuuuge! And this guy is dipping his toe into this massive universe for one tiny aspect of it. For someone who likely didn't spend months researching and reading the books, I think he did well for his first outing. And really, these are minor mistakes.
@@MrCopenhagen113 Well, I can't really take what you're saying seriously, because you ARE Alpharius, or maybe Omegon... no idea if you're trying to be sneaky... maybe you really DO like Majorkill and have tertiary level motives. 🤔 Also, how you gonna lose to Dorn bro, you broke my damn heart 💔
Never knew I wanted this in my life until now. Also, mad respect for the in-depth knowledge, it's clear that you researched the topic and know your stuff. 10/10 content man!
"Are 40k Space Marines Possible IRL" - immediately thinks about Space Marines gaining someone's knowledge and memories by eating a bit of their brain Well put together and entertaining video, can't wait to see the part 2
maybe not entirely impossible though. eating through the stomach and trying to decipher it after a barrage of stomach acid? maybe impossible. but if you consider memory to be akin to a hard drive of a PC, and you are a PC marine found your fellow PC marine dead, you could take their hard drive and see what they recorded. so instead of eating it through the mouth, if the organ took in the brain somehow and prepared it for memory reading i could see it working. this is doubly possible if the brain was modified to assist in being read in the first place.
You’re one of the coolest Doctors on UA-cam with some of the coolest videos! Whether you realize it or not, your videos are making a lot of people happy!
@@ChrisRaynorMD No, THANK YOU! Your videos are awesome because you put so much effort into research and getting things right. Whether it’s Warhammer 40K and researching the lore for the comparisons to current 2022 medical technology so you could make this video or it’s reacting to a Garand Thumb video and you’re talking about real world weapons, I’m always amazed at how accurate everything is. I appreciate that. You know what you’re talking about. You don’t know how many times I see people making videos and they get so many things wrong, but you’re on it! I’m always impressed by how few errors there are. You provide great entertainment and great production value. I can completely nerd out.
@@MrYjgh Why would he react to a weapons channel? Think about it. Dr. Raynor is a practicing surgeon with an extensive background in trauma and orthopedic medicine. He’s had to put people back together who have been injured many times. We’re talking about 30+ years here. If anybody is qualified to talk about the damage and the medical procedures it would take to heal someone who’s been injured in such a way, it would be him. Not only that, he’s a very intelligent man who would know about and be familiar with the very latest in cutting edge medical technology. He would also be qualified to talk about theoretical medicine and how close we are to achieving science fiction like breakthrough. It all makes for some very thought provoking entertainment. I, for one, will continue to watch him. Check out some of the other videos on the channel to see what I mean.
Which literally defeats the purpose of having a neural link. You dont get any benefits of having a direct connection to the nervous system. The point of a neural link is to bypass the body's natural information sending limits. One of the many reasons space marines dont make sense and are weak.
@@Paul-cu9lu Effectively, its the equivalent of hooking up specialized USB ports into your skin that connects to your nervous system that directly connects to the power armours synthetic muscles, the electro fibres, to respond and acts as their own muscles, allowing the armour to act in the lore as a second skin whilst able to match the reaction time of a space marine, allowing them to match or exceed the physical response time faster than their actual muscles.
Fun fact! when it comes to the Implant rejections, while there are initial screenings to determine the odds of survival, many aspirants actually get partially through the training only to learn that their bodies will most likely reject the Implants. Most of these people become chapter serfs, aiding the space marine chapter in other ways.
Well, there is the trial for the RIGHT of becoming an Aspirant, it's only before the proper training that they screen the Aspirantals. Would be stupid otherwise
Really good research into the lore! before Big E made the Space Marines, he had the Thunder Wariors: stronger than space marines but the added organs slowly killed them and damaged their brains. So those trial runs were somehow worse than astartes surgery.
@@callumc2061 There are numerous references throughout the Horus Heresy books talking about the creation of the Primarchs and the "dark forces" used in their creation. In one of the first Thousands Sons book in that series, Magnus mentions "doing something his father did" in order to save the Thousand Sons. He then goes and consorts with the warp and suddenly the Thousand Sons gene seed was stabilized. Many chapters have problems like this which were stabilized through...uhhh... interesting methods. Space Wolves and the Wulfen, Blood Angels and the Death Company, etc. If you haven't read through the Horus Heresy books, I'd recommend them! There are a lot of them, but they are really good!
@@Whiskey11Gaming Plus there's relatively frequent mention from the 4 through their intermediaries of a bargain having been struck that Big E reneged on - I mean, take that with as much salt as you like given the 4's nature and that of those relaying their claim... although Big E's hardly a good and trustworthy guy himself.
One thing that might be worth noting is that there were the Thunder Warriors who were a predecessor to Space Marines and the Primarchs and were actually even stronger but unstable. The big breakthrough with Space Marines was it resulted in more stable superhumans that could be better left to run things on their own if needed. So the Space Marine organ process is probably a refinement beyond the initial super-soldier program. Also, in order to create the Primarchs which the Space Marine technology is based upon, the Emperor had to go form some pact with the Chaos Gods. Maybe this was more to do with something about their psychic presence or souls, but it is possible that some process in their creation (and therefor in the Space Marine creation) was forever beyond the scope of human technology and required eldritch powers from another dimension to bridge the gap.
ACTUALLY THE EMPEROR MADE A PACT WITH THE CHAOS GOD'S AND TRAPPED FEW MINOR WARP ENTITIES AND MOLDED THEM INTO HIS OWN PSYCHE AND LATER REFORGED THEM (ENTETERED THEM INTO PRIMARCH)
ABSOLUTELY 😂 This video itself is a gift, thank you, tho knowing the "their rip cage fuses together to become an armour" i can see what the answer will be 😂
The Blood Angels Chapter. Once a recruit has been selected for organ implantation (if they survive). All 19 organs are implanted at once. The recruit is then sealed in some sort of bio sarcophagus for an entire year. After 12 months the recruit is then retrieved and is a full-fledged Space Marine, barring any complications during the organ hibernation process.
That's always fascinated me about the 9th legions maturity process. The downside to this is that the recruit will be assaulted with visions of Sanguinius their father. These may be overcome the mind of the recruit as the psychic potential of Sanguinius' blood floods the aspirant. In successful candidates however a near perfect marine (physically) is made
Yeah it’s funny all they have to do to stop the red thirst or black rage is to stop using sangs blood for the kick start of the organ process but to do so would be sacrilegious…
Lovely video! My friends and I (who are gigantic nerds, along with having a collection of degrees in chemistry, physics and biomedical engineering) believe the process also alters the aspirant's DNA to accept the new organs, seeing as many marines grow into a certain distinct appearance like Blood Angels often having a face structure similar or even equal to their primarch Sanguinius, and how the Space Wolves explicitly have problems with implanting the "canis helix" (a faulty part of the "primarch's legacy" that makes them turn into werewolf-like creatures)
A little correction : Space marines come from the 30k period, the Great Crusade. In the 40k era, we can see that a lot of chapters lost some of their organs like the Betcher gland (to spit acid) for the Imperial Fists. So, over the ten thousand years, there was a degeneracy of the genetic material. It could be interesting to make an extrapolation to see if it's caused by lack of utility or environnemental impact or just deteroration caused by the reproduction method. But that would be a lot of work :/
@@Storiaron In my memory, they could but i could be mistaken. It's been years since i read those. But i think we should make a difference between an organ degeneracy and a general flaw (because of the video topic). Like the Black Dragons chapter have the Ossmodula going rogue for some marines, giving them the claws and horns. I know it's a cursed founding but still. But Red Thirst, Wulfens and things like that are, for me, not linked to an organ but more on the genetic material given to them.
As a warhammer 40k fan, I'm astonished that you know more about the production of Space marines than i do. you certainly did you research. love the video
As a 20 year fan of Warhammer I ABSOLUTELY love this video. First of all I LOVE your channel in general (your anime fight/injuries breakdowns being my faves), and seeing you apply real-world applications to the crazy universe of 40k is amazing. Can't wait for part 2!!
About the dangers of mutations, its weird how in 40K its also depicted many chapters have genetic disorders that have existed since founding and others developed over time, Some are harmless like the Jet black skin and Albino skin of the Salamanders and Raven Guard and successor chapters respectively, others develop missing organs like the Imperial Fists and successors that don't undergo hybernation and unable to spit acid to the dangrous like the Blood Angels developing mental disorders (the Black Rage and Red Thirst), the Space Wolves that have basically werewolf disorders (mental degredation, increased hair production and development of large K9 teeth and claws), and Pre Fall Thousand Sons that experiences random disorders due to a flawed Geneseed called the flesh change.
@@axelNodvon2047 nope they are actually the least mutated and most "normal" of the Chaos Astartes. (They just undergo plastic surgery to make themselves look like Alpharius and Omegon)
As a doctor, the first thing I thought when I saw the video in my recs was "what does an ortho doc know about genetics and developmental biology?" Turns out quite a lot! Really impressed that you actually researched the topics discussed and presented your sources. I even came away with more up to date knowledge about CRISPR than I had going in. Was not expecting that from a 40k reaction video. Well done!
This is great. So glad UA-cam suggested it. The big E had had a couple of attempts before he created the Astartes. The Thunder Warriors were used during the unification wars. These were proto Astartes and were not as stable, and typically had a limited life expectancy. Also, the Custodes (His personal guard) are handcrafted genetic wonders. Of course, law-wise the Big E is alive now sneaking around in the background of world events, so he has a lot of time before M31 to draw up his plans.
At the present moment, the astartes are looking a bit more viable then we thought. So perhaps the thunder warriors will be a bit more stable then anticipated
@@mercwiththemouthsnewphone6798 Well maybe they might get retconned a bit If someone at GW watches this. However, the Big E still had the Custodes delete them at Ararat. The law being that they were a stop-gap weapon, not designed for longevity.
I reckon he's pretending to be my boss right now. He's the kind of uber focused bastard with a plan that could invent the Astartes in about 28 millenia if no-one decides to shank him in the next few months.
Quite a good job Apothecary Raynor. Can't wait to see the second video, and maybe shall you provide a third one about Primaris as they have 22 gene-seed organs, instead of the 19 ones the Firstborn have.
Dude did his 40,000 research. Impressed. Also, love hearing about CAS9 and CRISPR. My ex was on the team that pioneered that research. Still proud of her.
Loved this! Science fiction is often a precursor to real technology a la the Star Trek communicator to cellphone, so it's awesome to have someone this educated talking about feasibility. Nice edits, lots of info. Liked and subbed, keep it coming :)
Also tablets, if you look at Star Trek they have taste like devices that operate very much like an Ipad or Android tablet does now, touch screen, wireless communication etc. Star Trek really was incredible ahead of its time.
@@cacophonousantiquarian8803 very well could be correct. I read them decently close together. Point still proven though, science fiction technology leads to science reality
I love man's ingenuity. Space marines were basically just nonsense thought of by a couple of creative guys as characters in a game and now here we are 30 years later talking about the feasibility of actually making a space marine in real life. Sure we're not there yet but maybe in a hundred years.
@@kerbodynamicx472 space marines also have faster reflexes, eidetic memories, and are functionally immortal. Imagine what we could do as a society with immortal scientists and doctors
@@SleepySoviet youre forgetting the psycho-indoctrination, we would just get immortal superhumans that would almost surely go mad after living for hundreds of years...
@@kerbodynamicx472 The brutal aspect is purely fiction to make the universe sound cool. If technology gets to this point. the more logical approach would be to grow or build a synthetic body with all the prerequisite super human capabilities and or organs and then just transplant the brain some of the spinal column into the new body.
@@ChrisRaynorMD was completely enthralled! 40k lore is not an easy one to learn let alone explain in an eloquent way being as dense as it is! enjoyed is an understatement haha always love your videos but this was fantastic! Had to send it to all my 40k friends 😂
If the fed threw all the money into researching mediicine to make a astartes. I bet we would get there quick. Heck. Even with weapons too. I want a boltgun! Dont care if i got to put it on a tripod.
there's a TON of chemical, dietary, hypnotic suggestion, "matrix downloads" and such done to the aspirant to help the implants settle and function properly. there's MANY tales of young aspiring marines who had some sort of "unforseen complication" or "late stage implant rejection" that died... usually in spectacular fashion.
Yep, many books seem to suggest that only one in hundred makes it to full Space Marine, i.e. the stage after being a Scout where they get their Black Carapace implanted and are finally seen as a full battle brother.
it's worth noting that in the later stages, a initiate SM's recovery time is going to be significantly shorter than a un augmented human. That is the point of a lot of the additional organs, to make them better at dealing with and recovering from physical trauma. That's also why SM's are required to stay awake and not have anaesthesia during certain surgeries, to make sure their trauma dampening augments are actually working as they're designed to. By the end of a SM's augmentation process, they are suppose to be able to take major tissue damage and not really find it that uncomfortable or debilitating.
@@haraldtopfer5732 It's necessary. The older the recruit, the more likely it is for the process to fail. And if you think the surgeries and what-not is rough, you should read about how initiates are selected and then trained.
Space Marines recalling the time he had an arm and two legs lopped off .. "Well let's not be dramatic it was more of an inconvenience than a trauma.. Doc ..😏 " 😏😂
Loved how in depth you went and how you didn’t shy away from the complexities of biology but still made it accessible, really refreshing. Can’t wait for the next one!
Very entertaining video. Small observation: the primarchs and the genecraft for the space marines were created around the 31st millenium (30780, if I recall), and it has been over 10 thousand years since then, which is why the warhammer universe "current year" is in the 41st millennium. So if we want to play by the timeline we've got 29 ish, and not the 39 thousand years mentioned in the video, to develop the gene tech ;) Looking forward to the next one.
@@ChrisRaynorMD well to be fair, the emp had been meddling with humans for a “long” time. Using all sorts of breeding programs, indoctrination camps, mechanical Augs etc.
@@Schnittertm1 100% true. So much was lost, put away or destroyed during the dark ages, AI wars, unification wars, Horus uprising and time in general when data was expunged, redacted, misinterpreted, lost in bureaucracy, stolen, venerated, corrupted etc. its amazing that anything gets done at all these days lol. Cawl had his own gene warrior, manufactorium techno-upgrade department “lost” for close to 10,000 years…
And only 1-5% of recruits even survive the transformation process. So a 95% chance of body accepting an organ is unbelievably high in the grim darkness of the far future.
Hi, I work in transplant science and I'd be interested in knowing if any of my colleagues wrote the papers you cited in your section on transplantation. I'd appreciate if you could drop links to papers you cite, some of them sound really interesting.
As a 40K fan, this is very interesting and educational. You sir have a new subscriber. To note though with the aspect of gene modding, the process to create an Astartes was developed by the Emperor and the gene scientists Amar Astarte along with several thousand scientists and was developed for several years, give or take a century or two in what we of the fan base would like to call the crusade era or the 30th millennium. It is also important to note that mankind has achieved a higher degree of technology prior to the crusade era before the imperium was even founded by the Emperor in the in universe timeline known as old night, the age of strife or the golden age of humanity. Much of the technology in the 30th and 40th millennium was rediscovered forgotten and rediscovered again. The gene modification tech might have been included in what was known as an STC (standard template construct) which was a machine or several machines which contained the necessary information to create almost anything that a human would need during the era of old night. To summarize, the surgery and methods to create a space marine would most have likely been more advanced in the 30th millennium with all the trappings if pseudo medical science if the far future including advanced anesthetics. The 40th millennium on the other is a much more backwards and superstitious era where tradition and beliefs are held in much higher regard, hence when a space marine candidate undergoes said procedures without anesthetic since to endure that pain would be seen as a great triumph on his apotheosis from standard man to post or transhuman warrior. To add more, most candidates do die during the implantation processes. That's the speculation around it anyway.
well, I always wondered but in universe where warp is a big thing breaking through cracks, it might be actually working power of belief . Like for orcs it works and most likely when big E become full on warp entity it will work for mankind. Like one doesn't become an Astartes if doesn't belive in it or machine won't work if you know, we don't believe in it . And rituals are there to strengthen and connect it .
Tbh, I feel there's a little too much of that in 40k, especially as it wouldn't make sense as clearly even enginseers and techpreists are used on things like ships in space where resources are random and time limited that they have to be fast effective and know what they're doing. They don't have an ai/stc helping them and so would at least know how the ships components including the gallar field and warp engines work and in that case how to make immateriality from what knowledge they do have in order to be able to repair them. The thing that I think makes it more real is that while they are fanatical also have an understanding that the machine spirit is a weak ai yet choose to treat it as sacred because they are taught that. The wordings that they use re-enforce that but they do understand what they're doing. They still make new ships and probably need to 'innovate' as clearly it is VERY possible since Cawl just did it.
About 30 minutes in the past, if you told me there is a video of a doctor explaining the viability of making Astartes in the current year with a splash of Majorkill and Wes, by the Omnissiah I wouldn't of believed you. Great work!
I have to admit that I find it great to see a purely medical take on this, seeing as I grew up with 40K. I'd be very interested to hear your take on both the ossmodula (bone enhancement) and black carapace (subdermal armour and neural interface) as those, to me, are the ones I can't work out how they could work.
First of all, can I compliment you on your well thought out explanation of not only the workings of space marine biology but of standard human beings as well. Do you think it would be possible to have a discussion on tech priests and how they intentionally replace body parts and organs with mechanical parts?
This is so much more detailed tought into this than I had ever thought I needed. I had never previously considered the need to expand the genome, though I had pondered the viability of psychosurgery for enhancing mental traits desirable in a space marine. But now that I have had this much detail... by the Throne do I need more! :D
I like your approaching with this. You don't conclude how real their augmentation process is, because it's sci-fi. Instead, you talk about how close modern-day technology can achieve it.
When I heard they undergo the surgeries without anesthesia, I assumed that would be to make sure they’re tough enough to be Space Marines. Kind of a weeding out process. As for the numerous organ transplants, given how far in the future this is set, I wonder if a little “reverse vaccinating” could be used. Drop some genetic code into a body in a way that the immune system is fooled into thinking it’s natural.
I got you covered. Basically a toaster fu***** thought he was better then the Emperor by adding a pinch of Void Dragon in the gene seed. So what is happening now is each time a Primaris scores a kill, a part of the soul is siphoned off to feed the Void Dragon. Mars and Holy Terra is going to get a "Oh FU**" moment. And that is when the Female Space Marines (Sister of Battle who played The Last of Us 2 and thought steroids are cool) show up and save the day.
Came to the channel originally just thinking "Oh hey, he covers a few of the franchises im a fan of, neat", and then an examination of Space marine anatomy drops? Love what you do
Wow. This is a daunting task you've set for yourself doctor. I appreciate and applaud your efforts to relate such a fascinating subject to us, your humble viewers.
I remember in the book Rynn's World, Pedro Kantors servant Ramir became a servant instead of a Crimson Fist because his body rejected the Phase 1 Implants. Several of the books in the Lore of 40k speak about Chapter "thralls" or "menials" from rejected Aspirants. So I would assume that Rejection occurs quite often even with the advanced techniques the Emperor and his scientists developed. It is interesting to note that there has been no mention of failed aspirants from Belisarius Cawl's Primaris project.
@@haraldtopfer5732 it means innovation. Letting the space marine stagnate as they face superior foes are kinda short-sighted. Warhammer 40k is known to its ever increasing thrope of arms race. Why do you think they have op weapons and op lore to back up their universe?
Once this series is finished be great to see your take on the different chapters and how they have changed over the years (losing the ability to make use of some organs, falling to the black rage etc etc)
I absolutely LOVE the actual attempted analytical break down using modern science/engineering/medicine and keep an open door for the potential future!? Seriously this is literally awesome!!
An amazing intellectual breakdown with awesome inserts, thank you so much! Also always an epic reminder of essentially in a bit over 100 years, we've gone from using beetles as a remedy for treating toothache, to starting of printed organs and improving the technology. Amazing stuff. Though being essentially a mutilated giant that's brain mushed into a killing machine that doesn't get the sweet vayjay-jay, would suck.
Yay, so glad you’re finally doing this video, can’t wait for part two! The how and why these soldiers are so strong is a fascinating topic. And yes, a Spartan v Astarte video would be awesome too, would love the input!
Okay, how the hell does this man have the time to be an orthopedic surgeon AND make videos with such high quality audio, video, and CLEAN and funny edits?
My hypothesis is that when artist creates idea of something, it becomes popular enough culture with dedicated fans who grow up into professionals in the fields, they will eventually create that thing. Just see how many star trek devices have become actual things, probably just cause people saw it when they were young and though that is cool, i want to make something like that and in later years hey that would be really useful how i can make it?
small correction while the geneseed is changing its hosts dna into something more primarchlike it also absorbs something in return, it is not a one way thing and the marine is not just a host for the genes to splice but ads to it a little of himself so the geneseed harvested from a marine is still mostly primarch dna, but has trace elements of its previous hosts thats why it is also only harvested from worthy marines by most chapters as they fear the flaw of cowardice will be passed on if absorbed by the geneseed this also causes minor mutations after millennia and a lot of generations of marines, like the more dense bonegrowth of the imperial fists, the loss of the acid spit in several loyalist chapters, or the suicidal battletrance of the mantis warriors also why space wolf geneseed when implanted in someone not from fenris will inevitably result in a mutant horror full of tentacles and who knows what else after generations of absorbing the abhuman scum of fenris with their wolf dna spliced in to survive the planets harsh cold environment, the geneseed has become incompatible with real humans it kindof ads to the cool of the geneseed in my opinion its not just a fragment of a demigod implanted in a human but the fragment of a demigod and a long unbroken line of heroes implanted into a human carrying the responsibility to ad one more hero to that long line will probably keep an eye out till the next vid, you make this pretty interesting
Finally a Dr has the courage to answer the real important questions 😆. In all seriously do, I love your content is freaking amazing and you even learn a thing or two. To quote Bart Simpson " Youre tricking me into studing."
This is a great video! Brings the Space Marine creation "down to Earth" so to speak so that the average person can at least connect to actual scientific principles. Nice work!
If all science were taught through the lens of 40k, I'd have several degrees. This was amazingly informative and well laid out, I'm beyond impressed. Really, really hoping you create further content along these lines, bravo sir!!!
Nice, I love reactions like this. Lore wise implant rejection happen even at late stages and some chapters such as the Blood Angels and their descendants implant all 19 at the same time with the help of the blood of their Primarch, but get violent, homicidal visions as a tradeoff.
And Kgorne loves them from it. He'd love a Blood Qngel successor to turn to Chaos, since the wholesale slaughter of everything nearby is appealing to a god that cares not from whence the blood flows, just that it does.
Super dope! I was a fan of the absolutely crazy lore this fictional universe has and to hear it from a Docs perspective has been awesome! I'm sure that took a BUNCH of research. Thanks for putting it out!!
The intro with the beat was dope but if only it was a few secs longer maybe the camera pans over to the marine and rotates around him well flying skull babies put him together all with that dope beat in background uggh chills lol
the whole anesthesia thing is explainable in how humanity went through a technological dark age in which some fields of technology, i.e: warfare and gene-modding, but regressed in many others. The knowledge on how to manufacture regional anesthesia could have been lost in the process.
The thing is, in reality, a super strong immune system would lead to higher rejection rates for foreign organ implantation. So for a Space Marine you would probably want a relatively weak immune system that would later be supplemented via the organ transplants.
Plot twist, all Astartes are actually made from the weakest and unhealthiest of humankind's populations. To remove the unhealthy and stop them redistributing their genes to create more unhealthies
SUBSCRIBED. This is fantastic. Always love when scientific professionals take on science fiction. Very entertaining, just plain cool content. Thanks for this Dr. Raynor.
Sir I just found your channel today however you're doing us a great service and the lord's work. I've always wanted to know what it would actually take in real life to transition a baseline human into an Astartes.
Years I have waited for someone to do this and the closest I got was the Combat Veteran Reacts channel but that wasn’t biologically possible and more tactically possible sooooo…… THE EMPEROR DELIVERS
Don't forget to check out the latest instalment of this series here: ua-cam.com/video/SFzZ3K1LeCs/v-deo.html
Hello doc. Pure math says: If every organ addition (19) have 95% to success. 37.74% chance of survival all of that. Almost 2/3 of pacients, "dont make it"...
Absolutely will do. The amount of information you receive for such a novel topic is immense!!
I just wanted to share a few WH40k lore points with you that might help you out.
1. The Emperor was born in early Sumeria about 15k years before the birth of Jesus of Nazareth.
2. He and a female Perpetual named Irda created 21 Primarchs not 20.
Alpharius has an identical twin named Omegon.
3. The Primarchs were creted in labs using the Emperors male DNA, Irda's female DNA, and each had a 3rd DNA used. Such as the DNA of a Fenrisian Greater Wolf for Lemann Russ. Or an unknown, possibly extinct species, that could survive the most hostile evironments in Mortarian.
4. There is a newer Astartes called Primaris Marines that are bigger, faster, stronger, and more evolved. This is accomplished by the Rubican surgery.
Otherwise, this has been very interesting. I actually wasn't aware that medical science precursors to so many of the gene seed organs.
I don't think you realize how impressive it is to make a video on space marines as a non-warhammer channel and actually get positive feedback. 40k fanboys love to tear into anyone that makes the slightest lore misstep
Heresy must be monitored for at all times.
We only follow the will of the God Emperor, if people are not careful Exterminatus could be initiated.
I would recommend you see your nearest Commisar sir. But in all seriousness he is very well researched, and respectful. I tip my Bolter to you Doctor.
Trust me the people online aren't as bad as the ones at the local store here.
I resent my local scene bunch of angry neckbeards that'll have a mental breakdown whenever shit doesn't go like they want...Hope to find a better community soon.
@@shepherdrm8486 unfortunately that is the reality sometimes. Hope you find a good local community soon.
"In 2022, our crops are basically space marines."
And they shall be my finest horticulture, these plants that give of their crop to me.
Like clay I shall mold them, and in the fields of my farm forge them.
They will be of iron stalk and enhanced nutritional value.
In great pesticides shall I clad them and with the mightiest scarecrows will they be armed.
They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them.
They will have crop rotations, agriculturalists, and harvesters so that no season can best them in growing.
They are my bulwark against the hunger.
They are the defenders of humanity's stomachs.
They are my superfoods, and they shall know no drought.
I have too much time on my hands. XD
This had me crying of laughter 😂 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm saving this, lol.
beautiful.
May the Emperor bless you always...
Love this, 100% going to find an agriworld to stick this on.
Who would've thought back in 2006 that one day this platform would have high production quality videos with _actual,_ real life surgeons, expertly dissecting pop culture for the general public.
Thank you, doc. Your time and effort in making this is deeply appreciated!
Not a problem! 🙏
Its also become a dictatorship censoring channels YT doesnt like. Even channels like forgotten weapons which is a historical channel. UA-cam sucks compared to what is used to be.
Underrated comment.
AlkinsGD
-*2005 🤓-
Big props on him actually calling out that Space Marines are meant to be a monastic order aka monks. Most folks don't really seem to remember that aspect about them which in this is really cool to see
Some* some space marines are like that. Most are not, they view the emperor as a man. The best humanity has ever produced but still a man.
That black Templar propaganda getting you all hard an sheeeeet
damn heretic, falling for lorgars propaganda.
the imperial truth held there are no gods, no religion, no monks!
only lorgar with his venomous bile infected the imperium and culminated in the imperial creed
#BlameLorgar
I mean. They aren't. The emperor was very much against that whole sort of thing.
They were weapons. Expendable ones at that. They were intended to be lead by normal men not an isolated society.
@@TehOmnissiah You would have been correct pre-heresy (30k). Post-Heresy (40k), the Eclesiarchy (sp?) has transformed the Emperor into a God figure and the cult of the emperor is not only the dominant religion, the Inquisitors will feeeeck you up if you're not a believer.
@@MastaSquidge See my reply to the other dude from Korea above this one :) It's a Pre/Post Heresy debate. Since this video refferences the 40th millenium, it's accurate that the Cult of the Emperor is a thing. So very much Clerics/Monks.
As a Warhammer lore nerd, I am impressed with your level of research, and I think this video was great. Also love how you included Weshammer and Majorkill, good pulls!
Neither one of those two were good pulls. they get to much wrong, especially majorcringe.
I love majorkill such a funny dude
I'm about halfway through the video and already found some pretty bad mistakes:
- space marines are not battle monks (except the black templars)
- primarchs didn't lead chapters, but legions
- until the great stupid ripped the galaxy apart, there was no successfull gene-editing since the 30th millenium (after the great stupid the fvcking squirrel had to pop up... I.WILL.NOT.RANT!)
@@FulloutPostal Yeah, I noticed those as well, but 40k is huuuuuuuge! And this guy is dipping his toe into this massive universe for one tiny aspect of it. For someone who likely didn't spend months researching and reading the books, I think he did well for his first outing. And really, these are minor mistakes.
@@MrCopenhagen113 Well, I can't really take what you're saying seriously, because you ARE Alpharius, or maybe Omegon... no idea if you're trying to be sneaky... maybe you really DO like Majorkill and have tertiary level motives. 🤔
Also, how you gonna lose to Dorn bro, you broke my damn heart 💔
No way that this video is actually happening.
I know right!!! I'm a Big fan of warhammer 40k , so I wonder if the doc is as well?
I thinks he’s done stuff like this before, he’s definitely a fan
Literally what I thought bro, I fucking want in Send me to the 14th or the 7th Legion 🤟
I have had my fingers crossed he would ever since he did his master chief one
I'm all here for it!
Great video… honestly NEVER expected to see an actual doctor to break down the science of creating an Astartes space marine. Awesome!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The lore, science, and memes were top notch on this one. Kudos to whoever edits these.
Absolutely!
🤣😂i lost it on 22:01.
Never knew I wanted this in my life until now. Also, mad respect for the in-depth knowledge, it's clear that you researched the topic and know your stuff. 10/10 content man!
Glad you enjoyed it!
"Are 40k Space Marines Possible IRL" - immediately thinks about Space Marines gaining someone's knowledge and memories by eating a bit of their brain
Well put together and entertaining video, can't wait to see the part 2
maybe not entirely impossible though. eating through the stomach and trying to decipher it after a barrage of stomach acid? maybe impossible.
but if you consider memory to be akin to a hard drive of a PC, and you are a PC marine found your fellow PC marine dead, you could take their hard drive and see what they recorded.
so instead of eating it through the mouth, if the organ took in the brain somehow and prepared it for memory reading i could see it working. this is doubly possible if the brain was modified to assist in being read in the first place.
You’re one of the coolest Doctors on UA-cam with some of the coolest videos! Whether you realize it or not, your videos are making a lot of people happy!
Wow, thank you!
@@ChrisRaynorMD
No, THANK YOU! Your videos are awesome because you put so much effort into research and getting things right. Whether it’s Warhammer 40K and researching the lore for the comparisons to current 2022 medical technology so you could make this video or it’s reacting to a Garand Thumb video and you’re talking about real world weapons, I’m always amazed at how accurate everything is. I appreciate that. You know what you’re talking about. You don’t know how many times I see people making videos and they get so many things wrong, but you’re on it! I’m always impressed by how few errors there are. You provide great entertainment and great production value. I can completely nerd out.
@@leroyjenkins4811 I second those sentiments. Top quality content.
@@leroyjenkins4811 why would he react to a weapons channel?
@@MrYjgh
Why would he react to a weapons channel? Think about it. Dr. Raynor is a practicing surgeon with an extensive background in trauma and orthopedic medicine. He’s had to put people back together who have been injured many times. We’re talking about 30+ years here. If anybody is qualified to talk about the damage and the medical procedures it would take to heal someone who’s been injured in such a way, it would be him. Not only that, he’s a very intelligent man who would know about and be familiar with the very latest in cutting edge medical technology. He would also be qualified to talk about theoretical medicine and how close we are to achieving science fiction like breakthrough. It all makes for some very thought provoking entertainment. I, for one, will continue to watch him. Check out some of the other videos on the channel to see what I mean.
One of the organs, black carapace , is basically an organic neural link, it allows the marine to use his suit as a 2nd skin.
Which literally defeats the purpose of having a neural link. You dont get any benefits of having a direct connection to the nervous system. The point of a neural link is to bypass the body's natural information sending limits. One of the many reasons space marines dont make sense and are weak.
It is also implanted by literally skinning the marine and grafting it onto his body before essentially draping the skin back over him.
Isn't it more like a cybernetic implant rather than organic, according to lore?
@@whiskeye7552 it may be. I think there are a few explanations in the books.
@@Paul-cu9lu Effectively, its the equivalent of hooking up specialized USB ports into your skin that connects to your nervous system that directly connects to the power armours synthetic muscles, the electro fibres, to respond and acts as their own muscles, allowing the armour to act in the lore as a second skin whilst able to match the reaction time of a space marine, allowing them to match or exceed the physical response time faster than their actual muscles.
Fun fact! when it comes to the Implant rejections, while there are initial screenings to determine the odds of survival, many aspirants actually get partially through the training only to learn that their bodies will most likely reject the Implants. Most of these people become chapter serfs, aiding the space marine chapter in other ways.
Or the Marines Malevolent find a brand new servitor
Well, there is the trial for the RIGHT of becoming an Aspirant, it's only before the proper training that they screen the Aspirantals.
Would be stupid otherwise
@@entspannter
I mean, the 40k empire isn’t really the most efficiently ran dynasty.
@@J-manli Can't really call it a dynasty, when it's only ever had one monarch ;)
@@MrScovanx I mean, one of the emperors sons is now ruling it.
Really good research into the lore! before Big E made the Space Marines, he had the Thunder Wariors: stronger than space marines but the added organs slowly killed them and damaged their brains. So those trial runs were somehow worse than astartes surgery.
Let's also not forget a somewhat dubious pact with the Chaos gods to get the SM genome stable....
@@Whiskey11Gaming tell me of this pact, lorekeeper
@@callumc2061 There are numerous references throughout the Horus Heresy books talking about the creation of the Primarchs and the "dark forces" used in their creation. In one of the first Thousands Sons book in that series, Magnus mentions "doing something his father did" in order to save the Thousand Sons. He then goes and consorts with the warp and suddenly the Thousand Sons gene seed was stabilized.
Many chapters have problems like this which were stabilized through...uhhh... interesting methods. Space Wolves and the Wulfen, Blood Angels and the Death Company, etc.
If you haven't read through the Horus Heresy books, I'd recommend them! There are a lot of them, but they are really good!
@@Whiskey11Gaming thank you for that!
@@Whiskey11Gaming Plus there's relatively frequent mention from the 4 through their intermediaries of a bargain having been struck that Big E reneged on - I mean, take that with as much salt as you like given the 4's nature and that of those relaying their claim... although Big E's hardly a good and trustworthy guy himself.
One thing that might be worth noting is that there were the Thunder Warriors who were a predecessor to Space Marines and the Primarchs and were actually even stronger but unstable. The big breakthrough with Space Marines was it resulted in more stable superhumans that could be better left to run things on their own if needed. So the Space Marine organ process is probably a refinement beyond the initial super-soldier program.
Also, in order to create the Primarchs which the Space Marine technology is based upon, the Emperor had to go form some pact with the Chaos Gods. Maybe this was more to do with something about their psychic presence or souls, but it is possible that some process in their creation (and therefor in the Space Marine creation) was forever beyond the scope of human technology and required eldritch powers from another dimension to bridge the gap.
ACTUALLY THE EMPEROR MADE A PACT WITH THE CHAOS GOD'S AND TRAPPED FEW MINOR WARP ENTITIES AND MOLDED THEM INTO HIS OWN PSYCHE AND LATER REFORGED THEM (ENTETERED THEM INTO PRIMARCH)
If you like this video and you want to see a Spartan vs Space Marine comparison, be sure to let me know in the comments!
ABSOLUTELY 😂
This video itself is a gift, thank you, tho knowing the "their rip cage fuses together to become an armour" i can see what the answer will be 😂
That would be nice.
A Spartan vs Space Marine comparison is something I want to see! Please do it! A comparison of the genetic modifications would be awesome.
Yes please
Hell yes! FOR THE EMPEROR.
The Blood Angels Chapter. Once a recruit has been selected for organ implantation (if they survive). All 19 organs are implanted at once. The recruit is then sealed in some sort of bio sarcophagus for an entire year. After 12 months the recruit is then retrieved and is a full-fledged Space Marine, barring any complications during the organ hibernation process.
😳😳 my god lol
Yeah it's so metal. The entire process is so tedious. All the rituals each different chapter has.
That's always fascinated me about the 9th legions maturity process. The downside to this is that the recruit will be assaulted with visions of Sanguinius their father. These may be overcome the mind of the recruit as the psychic potential of Sanguinius' blood floods the aspirant. In successful candidates however a near perfect marine (physically) is made
Yeah it’s funny all they have to do to stop the red thirst or black rage is to stop using sangs blood for the kick start of the organ process but to do so would be sacrilegious…
Let's not forget the fact that the sarcophagus is also literally filled with blood.
I literally suggested this video on the spartan one
This is like an early christmas gift. You just made my day doc many thanks
Hope you enjoyed it!
🤩🤩🤩
I too suggested it
@@granpamercer I think we all suggested it lol.
Lovely video! My friends and I (who are gigantic nerds, along with having a collection of degrees in chemistry, physics and biomedical engineering) believe the process also alters the aspirant's DNA to accept the new organs, seeing as many marines grow into a certain distinct appearance like Blood Angels often having a face structure similar or even equal to their primarch Sanguinius, and how the Space Wolves explicitly have problems with implanting the "canis helix" (a faulty part of the "primarch's legacy" that makes them turn into werewolf-like creatures)
We need more teachers like this guys.
As a massive WH40K fan I'm loving the fact that you're even doing this video, but then the memery in the first MINUTE has been amazing.
A little correction : Space marines come from the 30k period, the Great Crusade. In the 40k era, we can see that a lot of chapters lost some of their organs like the Betcher gland (to spit acid) for the Imperial Fists. So, over the ten thousand years, there was a degeneracy of the genetic material. It could be interesting to make an extrapolation to see if it's caused by lack of utility or environnemental impact or just deteroration caused by the reproduction method. But that would be a lot of work :/
They couldnt spit acid back in 30k either.
It's their gene flaw
Which sounds a lot better than the fleshchange or red thirst :P
@@Storiaron In my memory, they could but i could be mistaken. It's been years since i read those.
But i think we should make a difference between an organ degeneracy and a general flaw (because of the video topic). Like the Black Dragons chapter have the Ossmodula going rogue for some marines, giving them the claws and horns. I know it's a cursed founding but still.
But Red Thirst, Wulfens and things like that are, for me, not linked to an organ but more on the genetic material given to them.
@@nwarvonhiddenlurf3694 i've read the first heretic a week ago, and a demon mentioned this gene flaw the imperial fists had, so my memory is fresh :p
@@Storiaron what you don’t remember when Horus fought an Ork Warboss with just his poison spit?
Bruh warhammer has so much fucking lore I swear it must take years to learn it all 😭💀
As a warhammer 40k fan, I'm astonished that you know more about the production of Space marines than i do. you certainly did you research. love the video
Noice.
Memes, research, and editing are on point. Made the video 10x more interesting.
As a 20 year fan of Warhammer I ABSOLUTELY love this video. First of all I LOVE your channel in general (your anime fight/injuries breakdowns being my faves), and seeing you apply real-world applications to the crazy universe of 40k is amazing. Can't wait for part 2!!
About the dangers of mutations, its weird how in 40K its also depicted many chapters have genetic disorders that have existed since founding and others developed over time,
Some are harmless like the Jet black skin and Albino skin of the Salamanders and Raven Guard and successor chapters respectively, others develop missing organs like the Imperial Fists and successors that don't undergo hybernation and unable to spit acid to the dangrous like the Blood Angels developing mental disorders (the Black Rage and Red Thirst), the Space Wolves that have basically werewolf disorders (mental degredation, increased hair production and development of large K9 teeth and claws), and Pre Fall Thousand Sons that experiences random disorders due to a flawed Geneseed called the flesh change.
I don’t think the Thousand Sons have to worry the flesh change anymore...
@@imthegoat94 yeah note Pre fall/Curse of the Rubric.
I think the Alpha Legion have the ability to go under mutation pretty much at will like a chaos spawn
@@axelNodvon2047 nope they are actually the least mutated and most "normal" of the Chaos Astartes. (They just undergo plastic surgery to make themselves look like Alpharius and Omegon)
@@forickgrimaldus8301 I swear I learned what I said from a really knowledgeable loremaster
As a doctor, the first thing I thought when I saw the video in my recs was "what does an ortho doc know about genetics and developmental biology?" Turns out quite a lot! Really impressed that you actually researched the topics discussed and presented your sources. I even came away with more up to date knowledge about CRISPR than I had going in. Was not expecting that from a 40k reaction video. Well done!
This is great. So glad UA-cam suggested it. The big E had had a couple of attempts before he created the Astartes. The Thunder Warriors were used during the unification wars. These were proto Astartes and were not as stable, and typically had a limited life expectancy. Also, the Custodes (His personal guard) are handcrafted genetic wonders. Of course, law-wise the Big E is alive now sneaking around in the background of world events, so he has a lot of time before M31 to draw up his plans.
At the present moment, the astartes are looking a bit more viable then we thought. So perhaps the thunder warriors will be a bit more stable then anticipated
@@mercwiththemouthsnewphone6798 Well maybe they might get retconned a bit If someone at GW watches this. However, the Big E still had the Custodes delete them at Ararat. The law being that they were a stop-gap weapon, not designed for longevity.
@@neilcrompton9676
True
I reckon he's pretending to be my boss right now. He's the kind of uber focused bastard with a plan that could invent the Astartes in about 28 millenia if no-one decides to shank him in the next few months.
Some say that in the Present he is a actor that plays a flying super hero and a white haired monster hunter...
Quite a good job Apothecary Raynor. Can't wait to see the second video, and maybe shall you provide a third one about Primaris as they have 22 gene-seed organs, instead of the 19 ones the Firstborn have.
Would love to see the good doctor explain whether making a servitor or an eversor assasin is possible with modern methods and technology.
There is a servitor rat already. Has been made like four years ago.
Link?
Dude did his 40,000 research. Impressed. Also, love hearing about CAS9 and CRISPR. My ex was on the team that pioneered that research. Still proud of her.
yo nice
Loved this! Science fiction is often a precursor to real technology a la the Star Trek communicator to cellphone, so it's awesome to have someone this educated talking about feasibility. Nice edits, lots of info. Liked and subbed, keep it coming :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Also tablets, if you look at Star Trek they have taste like devices that operate very much like an Ipad or Android tablet does now, touch screen, wireless communication etc. Star Trek really was incredible ahead of its time.
The book 1984s "seashell" over the ear that transmits sound? Headphones.
Just another example
@@korvincarry3268 That's Fahrenheit 451 you're thinking of
@@cacophonousantiquarian8803 very well could be correct. I read them decently close together. Point still proven though, science fiction technology leads to science reality
I love man's ingenuity. Space marines were basically just nonsense thought of by a couple of creative guys as characters in a game and now here we are 30 years later talking about the feasibility of actually making a space marine in real life. Sure we're not there yet but maybe in a hundred years.
Unless there’s a major war going on, surely there will not be enough incentives to make super soldiers like this through a brutal process…
@@kerbodynamicx472 space marines also have faster reflexes, eidetic memories, and are functionally immortal. Imagine what we could do as a society with immortal scientists and doctors
@@SleepySoviet youre forgetting the psycho-indoctrination, we would just get immortal superhumans that would almost surely go mad after living for hundreds of years...
@@SleepySoviet How many years a before "ethics" become boring and old fashioned for them?
@@kerbodynamicx472 The brutal aspect is purely fiction to make the universe sound cool. If technology gets to this point. the more logical approach would be to grow or build a synthetic body with all the prerequisite super human capabilities and or organs and then just transplant the brain some of the spinal column into the new body.
Man you absolutely did your homework and knew the lore as well as you did the science, great video, cant wait till part two! 😂
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@ChrisRaynorMD was completely enthralled! 40k lore is not an easy one to learn let alone explain in an eloquent way being as dense as it is! enjoyed is an understatement haha always love your videos but this was fantastic! Had to send it to all my 40k friends 😂
Hard to find people this smart who explain things this easy to understand.
Finally, we got some doctors on this important research.
If the fed threw all the money into researching mediicine to make a astartes. I bet we would get there quick. Heck. Even with weapons too. I want a boltgun! Dont care if i got to put it on a tripod.
Being a lowly guardsman, I understand about half this video, remembered about 3/4ths but absolutely loved every second! FOR THE EMPEROR!!
there's a TON of chemical, dietary, hypnotic suggestion, "matrix downloads" and such done to the aspirant to help the implants settle and function properly. there's MANY tales of young aspiring marines who had some sort of "unforseen complication" or "late stage implant rejection" that died... usually in spectacular fashion.
Yep, many books seem to suggest that only one in hundred makes it to full Space Marine, i.e. the stage after being a Scout where they get their Black Carapace implanted and are finally seen as a full battle brother.
That MajorKill clip came as a shock. Talk about the two extremes of 40k lore videos. An actual surgeon and a self proclaimed man child.
"How close can we get...", this is all I needed to hear. Liked. Cheers. Best video ever.
it's worth noting that in the later stages, a initiate SM's recovery time is going to be significantly shorter than a un augmented human. That is the point of a lot of the additional organs, to make them better at dealing with and recovering from physical trauma. That's also why SM's are required to stay awake and not have anaesthesia during certain surgeries, to make sure their trauma dampening augments are actually working as they're designed to. By the end of a SM's augmentation process, they are suppose to be able to take major tissue damage and not really find it that uncomfortable or debilitating.
Losing a hand is a paper cut to a space marine
but age 10 seems a bit rough.
@@haraldtopfer5732 It's necessary. The older the recruit, the more likely it is for the process to fail. And if you think the surgeries and what-not is rough, you should read about how initiates are selected and then trained.
@@UnsoberIdiot The Ragnar series of Books detail that process beautifully!
Space Marines recalling the time he had an arm and two legs lopped off ..
"Well let's not be dramatic it was more of an inconvenience than a trauma.. Doc ..😏 "
😏😂
Loved how in depth you went and how you didn’t shy away from the complexities of biology but still made it accessible, really refreshing. Can’t wait for the next one!
Very entertaining video.
Small observation: the primarchs and the genecraft for the space marines were created around the 31st millenium (30780, if I recall), and it has been over 10 thousand years since then, which is why the warhammer universe "current year" is in the 41st millennium. So if we want to play by the timeline we've got 29 ish, and not the 39 thousand years mentioned in the video, to develop the gene tech ;) Looking forward to the next one.
With all the content covered in this video, I was sure to get a thing or two wrong!
@@ChrisRaynorMD well to be fair, the emp had been meddling with humans for a “long” time. Using all sorts of breeding programs, indoctrination camps, mechanical Augs etc.
@@Docktavion Some of the technology for gene editing might also have been lost from the Dark Age of Technology and re-discovered later.
@@Schnittertm1 100% true. So much was lost, put away or destroyed during the dark ages, AI wars, unification wars, Horus uprising and time in general when data was expunged, redacted, misinterpreted, lost in bureaucracy, stolen, venerated, corrupted etc. its amazing that anything gets done at all these days lol.
Cawl had his own gene warrior, manufactorium techno-upgrade department “lost” for close to 10,000 years…
And only 1-5% of recruits even survive the transformation process.
So a 95% chance of body accepting an organ is unbelievably high in the grim darkness of the far future.
5:10 the edit I didn't know i needed to see. That was hilarious
Hi, I work in transplant science and I'd be interested in knowing if any of my colleagues wrote the papers you cited in your section on transplantation. I'd appreciate if you could drop links to papers you cite, some of them sound really interesting.
As a 40K fan, this is very interesting and educational. You sir have a new subscriber.
To note though with the aspect of gene modding, the process to create an Astartes was developed by the Emperor and the gene scientists Amar Astarte along with several thousand scientists and was developed for several years, give or take a century or two in what we of the fan base would like to call the crusade era or the 30th millennium. It is also important to note that mankind has achieved a higher degree of technology prior to the crusade era before the imperium was even founded by the Emperor in the in universe timeline known as old night, the age of strife or the golden age of humanity. Much of the technology in the 30th and 40th millennium was rediscovered forgotten and rediscovered again. The gene modification tech might have been included in what was known as an STC (standard template construct) which was a machine or several machines which contained the necessary information to create almost anything that a human would need during the era of old night. To summarize, the surgery and methods to create a space marine would most have likely been more advanced in the 30th millennium with all the trappings if pseudo medical science if the far future including advanced anesthetics. The 40th millennium on the other is a much more backwards and superstitious era where tradition and beliefs are held in much higher regard, hence when a space marine candidate undergoes said procedures without anesthetic since to endure that pain would be seen as a great triumph on his apotheosis from standard man to post or transhuman warrior.
To add more, most candidates do die during the implantation processes.
That's the speculation around it anyway.
well, I always wondered but in universe where warp is a big thing breaking through cracks, it might be actually working power of belief . Like for orcs it works and most likely when big E become full on warp entity it will work for mankind. Like one doesn't become an Astartes if doesn't belive in it or machine won't work if you know, we don't believe in it . And rituals are there to strengthen and connect it .
It’s like if a scientist from the dark age of technology came out of a warp portal on mars and started spitting facts to a tech priest
lol very tru!
Adeptus mechanicus: who are you, who so wise in the ways of science.
Not just some tech priest, but a Magos Biologos.
The irony being, he would likely be arrested and executed for tech heresy for his knowledge lol.
Tbh, I feel there's a little too much of that in 40k, especially as it wouldn't make sense as clearly even enginseers and techpreists are used on things like ships in space where resources are random and time limited that they have to be fast effective and know what they're doing. They don't have an ai/stc helping them and so would at least know how the ships components including the gallar field and warp engines work and in that case how to make immateriality from what knowledge they do have in order to be able to repair them. The thing that I think makes it more real is that while they are fanatical also have an understanding that the machine spirit is a weak ai yet choose to treat it as sacred because they are taught that. The wordings that they use re-enforce that but they do understand what they're doing. They still make new ships and probably need to 'innovate' as clearly it is VERY possible since Cawl just did it.
About 30 minutes in the past, if you told me there is a video of a doctor explaining the viability of making Astartes in the current year with a splash of Majorkill and Wes, by the Omnissiah I wouldn't of believed you. Great work!
Please please please don't tell me they're in this vid
@@sauceboss9443 its for a good cause lmao I promise. Brief and welcome imo
@@sauceboss9443 Sadly yes.
@@covahredro8370 Why sadly?
I have to admit that I find it great to see a purely medical take on this, seeing as I grew up with 40K. I'd be very interested to hear your take on both the ossmodula (bone enhancement) and black carapace (subdermal armour and neural interface) as those, to me, are the ones I can't work out how they could work.
Really nice
Thanks for taking the time to make the video and share it.
My pleasure!
First of all, can I compliment you on your well thought out explanation of not only the workings of space marine biology but of standard human beings as well. Do you think it would be possible to have a discussion on tech priests and how they intentionally replace body parts and organs with mechanical parts?
The flesh is weak
@@markimusmaximus7870 For the machine is immortal!!!
This is so much more detailed tought into this than I had ever thought I needed. I had never previously considered the need to expand the genome, though I had pondered the viability of psychosurgery for enhancing mental traits desirable in a space marine. But now that I have had this much detail... by the Throne do I need more! :D
I like your approaching with this. You don't conclude how real their augmentation process is, because it's sci-fi. Instead, you talk about how close modern-day technology can achieve it.
Man this guy is such a chill surgeon I would be so relaxed if he was my surgeon
When I heard they undergo the surgeries without anesthesia, I assumed that would be to make sure they’re tough enough to be Space Marines. Kind of a weeding out process.
As for the numerous organ transplants, given how far in the future this is set, I wonder if a little “reverse vaccinating” could be used. Drop some genetic code into a body in a way that the immune system is fooled into thinking it’s natural.
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As a 40K fan, and someone who has thought about what this “could” look like - I LOVE THIS VIDEO!
Looking forward to PT 2.
So, could we expect a part 3 to discuss the upgrade from a regular Space Marine to Primaris?
to quote Kitten.
"Thats not fucking canon"
I got you covered. Basically a toaster fu***** thought he was better then the Emperor by adding a pinch of Void Dragon in the gene seed. So what is happening now is each time a Primaris scores a kill, a part of the soul is siphoned off to feed the Void Dragon. Mars and Holy Terra is going to get a "Oh FU**" moment. And that is when the Female Space Marines (Sister of Battle who played The Last of Us 2 and thought steroids are cool) show up and save the day.
@@nickvanachthoven7252 it is to me! **tears of happiness knowing lamenters get a break**
Belisarius Cawl becomes the galaxy’s greatest modder.
The proper term for this surgical upgrade is the Rubicon Primaris.
I appreciate you how serious you took this while still making it fun!
Yeah I'm subbed, didn't even realize the video ends lmao, appreciate the memes and oof pain seeing Astartes again :( keep up the great work doc!
So happy we managed to bring the eyes of someone with your knowledge to this universe
Happy to offer my expertise.
As a fellow apothecary I commend the the quality of this video and keeping the information accessible. Also, the editing work is excellent.
Came to the channel originally just thinking "Oh hey, he covers a few of the franchises im a fan of, neat", and then an examination of Space marine anatomy drops? Love what you do
Greetings from Panther303. I hope u remember my tweet from back in March asking for this. So excited🔥🔥🔥😁
The answer better be hell yes! Imagine such a beautiful Imperium... it brings a tear to my eye.
He’s a legend for using “a that so raven” cut
Wow. This is a daunting task you've set for yourself doctor. I appreciate and applaud your efforts to relate such a fascinating subject to us, your humble viewers.
I remember in the book Rynn's World, Pedro Kantors servant Ramir became a servant instead of a Crimson Fist because his body rejected the Phase 1 Implants. Several of the books in the Lore of 40k speak about Chapter "thralls" or "menials" from rejected Aspirants. So I would assume that Rejection occurs quite often even with the advanced techniques the Emperor and his scientists developed. It is interesting to note that there has been no mention of failed aspirants from Belisarius Cawl's Primaris project.
They were all turned to servitors.
because the whole concept of primaris is shitty. New Space Marines means new money. It wasn't a lore-organic decision to introduce them.
@@haraldtopfer5732 it means innovation. Letting the space marine stagnate as they face superior foes are kinda short-sighted. Warhammer 40k is known to its ever increasing thrope of arms race. Why do you think they have op weapons and op lore to back up their universe?
@@haraldtopfer5732 cope
Once this series is finished be great to see your take on the different chapters and how they have changed over the years (losing the ability to make use of some organs, falling to the black rage etc etc)
I absolutely LOVE the actual attempted analytical break down using modern science/engineering/medicine and keep an open door for the potential future!? Seriously this is literally awesome!!
Loved this! Your knowledge on the subject is amazing. Can not believe the amount of research you must have done to put this together. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
An amazing intellectual breakdown with awesome inserts, thank you so much!
Also always an epic reminder of essentially in a bit over 100 years, we've gone from using beetles as a remedy for treating toothache, to starting of printed organs and improving the technology. Amazing stuff.
Though being essentially a mutilated giant that's brain mushed into a killing machine that doesn't get the sweet vayjay-jay, would suck.
Oh my God!! Thank you very much doc Raynor for this jewel.
You're most welcome!
Yay, so glad you’re finally doing this video, can’t wait for part two!
The how and why these soldiers are so strong is a fascinating topic.
And yes, a Spartan v Astarte video would be awesome too, would love the input!
Okay, how the hell does this man have the time to be an orthopedic surgeon AND make videos with such high quality audio, video, and CLEAN and funny edits?
This was my first introduction to your channel and so far I like what I'm seeing, I might stick around.
Its hard to comment on the practicality of science fiction if the technology is in the far future
Yes, but there are aspects of this technology that is somewhat attainable today.
My hypothesis is that when artist creates idea of something, it becomes popular enough culture with dedicated fans who grow up into professionals in the fields, they will eventually create that thing. Just see how many star trek devices have become actual things, probably just cause people saw it when they were young and though that is cool, i want to make something like that and in later years hey that would be really useful how i can make it?
small correction
while the geneseed is changing its hosts dna into something more primarchlike
it also absorbs something in return, it is not a one way thing and the marine is not just a host for the genes to splice but ads to it a little of himself
so the geneseed harvested from a marine is still mostly primarch dna, but has trace elements of its previous hosts
thats why it is also only harvested from worthy marines by most chapters as they fear the flaw of cowardice will be passed on if absorbed by the geneseed
this also causes minor mutations after millennia and a lot of generations of marines, like the more dense bonegrowth of the imperial fists, the loss of the acid spit in several loyalist chapters, or the suicidal battletrance of the mantis warriors
also why space wolf geneseed when implanted in someone not from fenris will inevitably result in a mutant horror full of tentacles and who knows what else
after generations of absorbing the abhuman scum of fenris with their wolf dna spliced in to survive the planets harsh cold environment, the geneseed has become incompatible with real humans
it kindof ads to the cool of the geneseed in my opinion
its not just a fragment of a demigod implanted in a human
but the fragment of a demigod and a long unbroken line of heroes implanted into a human carrying the responsibility to ad one more hero to that long line
will probably keep an eye out till the next vid, you make this pretty interesting
It's happening thanks doc
I like that he says 'buckle up' with the graphic
and he's a surgeon
I'm glad to see Majorkill found his way into the video
Finally a Dr has the courage to answer the real important questions 😆. In all seriously do, I love your content is freaking amazing and you even learn a thing or two. To quote Bart Simpson " Youre tricking me into studing."
This is a great video! Brings the Space Marine creation "down to Earth" so to speak so that the average person can at least connect to actual scientific principles. Nice work!
love this stuff! The witcher mutations next?
Oh wow! Great idea 😎😎
I'm watching an actual doctor talk about Warhammer and using clips from Major kill..... What a time to be alive
And learning something to boot!
@@ChrisRaynorMD The video breakdown was super interesting. I can't wait for part 2!
If all science were taught through the lens of 40k, I'd have several degrees. This was amazingly informative and well laid out, I'm beyond impressed. Really, really hoping you create further content along these lines, bravo sir!!!
Nice, I love reactions like this. Lore wise implant rejection happen even at late stages and some chapters such as the Blood Angels and their descendants implant all 19 at the same time with the help of the blood of their Primarch, but get violent, homicidal visions as a tradeoff.
And Kgorne loves them from it. He'd love a Blood Qngel successor to turn to Chaos, since the wholesale slaughter of everything nearby is appealing to a god that cares not from whence the blood flows, just that it does.
The only doctor to talk 40k IRL
Super dope! I was a fan of the absolutely crazy lore this fictional universe has and to hear it from a Docs perspective has been awesome! I'm sure that took a BUNCH of research. Thanks for putting it out!!
I used to big into Warhammer 40k back in the 80's -90's and watching this video has reignited my interest......🙏
The intro with the beat was dope but if only it was a few secs longer maybe the camera pans over to the marine and rotates around him well flying skull babies put him together all with that dope beat in background uggh chills lol
the whole anesthesia thing is explainable in how humanity went through a technological dark age in which some fields of technology, i.e: warfare and gene-modding, but regressed in many others. The knowledge on how to manufacture regional anesthesia could have been lost in the process.
The thing is, in reality, a super strong immune system would lead to higher rejection rates for foreign organ implantation. So for a Space Marine you would probably want a relatively weak immune system that would later be supplemented via the organ transplants.
Plot twist, all Astartes are actually made from the weakest and unhealthiest of humankind's populations. To remove the unhealthy and stop them redistributing their genes to create more unhealthies
Or, the robust and improved immune system could simply be suppressed using pharmaceuticals during the process.
This was fascinating! Thanks for the breakdown!
My pleasure!
From learning more about Norse polytheism to Build-A-Battle-Brother! My UA-cam recommendations are on a roll today and I'm here for it.
So cool. I love your interjectory cuts, they are hilarious. You are a brilliant dude, and I learned a lot about biology from these videos.
SUBSCRIBED. This is fantastic. Always love when scientific professionals take on science fiction. Very entertaining, just plain cool content.
Thanks for this Dr. Raynor.
Sir I just found your channel today however you're doing us a great service and the lord's work. I've always wanted to know what it would actually take in real life to transition a baseline human into an Astartes.
Years I have waited for someone to do this and the closest I got was the Combat Veteran Reacts channel but that wasn’t biologically possible and more tactically possible sooooo……
THE EMPEROR DELIVERS
Well done sir, this video made my head hurt a bit, but the amount of effort put into this video is immense.