Fixing NYC's Regional Rail
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In this video, I talk about ways to improve New York's Commuter/Regional Rail system, and how to bring it up-to-par with some of the other cities found across the world, like in London and Berlin.
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Every mode of mass transit that rolls through the city should be on the OMNY system. London did it with the Oyster card, so that the Tube, the Overground, the DLR, National Rail, and all the bus companies are available to the user through the Oyster card.
I. Fully. Agree.
This should be technically possible since both Oyster and OMNY were both created by the same company called Cubic Corporation. It's really just interagency/interstate rivalry between NJ, NY, and the Port Authority over revenue sharing that prevents this from happening.
The Netherlands has an card, like the oyster cart, for ALL the public transport in the whole country
@@kenw7287 It's a shame we can't get all the executives from the organizations involved, lock them up in a room together, and keep them there until they come up with an agreement to make it happen.
@@jeroenl8352 : So does Ireland, but their implementation leaves a lot to be desired.
I was recently in Munich and was really impressed by the S Bahn and U Bahn and how they integrated with the buses and trams under a single ticket. Further, the all S Bahns run in a single line of stations under Munich from Ostbahnhof to Hauptbahnhof, with 4 stations in between, in the center of the city. As you suggest, NYC could do the same by extending the Eastside Access south, down the east side of Manhattan to Atlantic terminal. This would allow through running, reducing the number of parking tracks needed at the city terminals, and allow the frequency on all LIRR lines to increase dramatically.
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Lol, Andy Byford 2.0
I don’t know if I should call this like begging or agree with this statement lol
@@MysticTransit you need to just run for governor
@@MysticTransit your the best
They need to work on fair control. Ticketing is awkward and conductors are not the answer. it needs to work seamlessly with the OMNY system and not require manual paper ticketing.
The second avenue line needs to go over 125th. We don;t need another downtown line, and the existing lines + some commuter extensions can do a better job than the arbitrarily placed second ave line.
I agree. Fares within NYC should be the same price as the subway, and collected in a similar way to London with their Oyster Cards.
@@MysticTransit Actually I think a lot of the problems we have with long-term financing and maintenance is the flat fare rather than distance based faring like most places use. Especially with OMNY coming in, tapin-tapout would be handy and would allow for some limited zoning. I realize this is an unpopular opinion, but the maintenance costs to cover people riding the entire length of the A is much higher than someone going 3 stops on the E. Not to the level of things like Tokyo where every trip is a different price, but something more intelligible, adaptive and integrated than the awkwardness they have done for things like express buses almost acting separate from the rest of the system in an effort to cover the added costs.
Not to mention without tapin-tapout, the MATA doesn't even have really comprehensive ridership data beyond shear numbers since they can't tell where people exiting came from, if they transferred, etc., and this makes resource allocation and determinations about which lines need more/different service or what areas are over and under served difficult to begin with. The buses likewise lack data for the same reason (though at least we don't do odd faring like Pittsburgh where if you pay when boarding or leaving depends upon time of day and boarding location), which is an even bigger problem for the buses since they can actively adjust routing if they have more data to provide better service, rather than just frequency. I think this is part of the seeming arbitrariness of the Second Ave line; without data it becomes more of a "fill the missing grid line" operation than picking the areas most in need of service since you don't know beyond "Lex line has lots of people".
I'm Semi-Against Zone-based fares. I think it would work nicely for a City/Out of City Fare for the Commuter Rail, however, for the Subway, I think it would just make it more complicated. I do like the idea of Tap-In/Tap-Out for more accurate Ridership data though.
If Zone-Based Fares are brought to the subway system, it needs to come in a way that isn't too disruptive, confusing, and pricey.
@@MysticTransit I think zone tickets within city limits would be unnecessary if congestion pricing gets done right. The congestion price revenue would help fill some budget gaps.
It would, and I would still want to see a ‘Subway Fare’ for Commuter Rail trips made within the city.
I think bringing the 3 commuter operators together is a great idea. I think they should form a bi state agency like the Port Authority that handles regional rail in the NY NJ metro area. This way commuting is a lot simpler and the MTA can focus on rapid transit.
I think if you combine them it would be like a 4-state agency
@@peskypigeonx Well it would just be New York and New Jersey, and then they could work with CDOT just like the MTA currently does to operate the new haven line.
Omg thank you!!! I finally found a transit UA-cam channel other than rmtransit that isn't narrated by someone with a voice I can't bear to listen to for more than 30 seconds!!!
We all know you're talking about CityNerd
I enjoyed this video! The ticketing system is extremely outdated. I always thought that a line to Throgs Neck was a great idea.
Woah, never knew other people have thought about a Throggs Neck MNR line. That's cool. I fully agree about the fare system though. I'm glad they are going to soon be integrating it with OMNY.
I was always hoping there would be a commuter rail line installed on the new Tappan Zee Bridge, but the NIMBY's stopped that. Such a line would provide a partial circumference line around the north side of NYC, tying a few lines together.
On the west side, it could follow I-287 (as an elevated structure in the median?), tie into NJ Transit Pascak Vly line at Spring Vly, then to the Bergen Co/Port Jervis line at Suffern. On the east side, it could again follow 287 (elevated structure in the median?), tie into the Hudson line at Tarrytown, the Harlem line at N White Plains, & then to the New Haven Line at Rye. This would allow cross county service from NJ all the way to the new stations on the Hell Gate Line in the Bronx & on to Penn Sta. The Hudson Line / Tarrytown connection would be difficult due to difference in grade & limited space. Possibly a physical passenger x-fer station only, similar to Secaucus Jct.
In conjunction with Hell Gate service, convert the 1 track freight line that splits off to the east/north on the Brooklyn side of the Hell Gate Br into a 2 track commuter rail line, tie it into the main LIRR line into Jamaica station (would require some sort of flyover, probably property takes). This would allow direct service between Long Island & the mainland north of NYC, in conjunction with the Tappan Zee line, all the way to NJ.
Most of these proposals require multi mode trains, similar to the M8's, which can run on all the different electrical systems. Also the lines on the west side of the Hudson are non electrified.
We can create a low speed maglev for the crosstown line over the I-278 corridor. In the meantime they can upgrade beeline W13 to every 10 minutes and create a new separate line that runs to NJ via the I-278 corridor to parsippany from spring valley as the current Hudson link already perfected Rockland to westchester bus service it’s a massive improvement over the old TZX it replaces as it has superior speed and superior frequency making travel easy
The NIMBY's didn't even want the replacement for the original Tappan Zee Bridge.
Quite the surprise upload! Definitely made my morning
Glad to hear it! Hope you enjoyed the video.
@@MysticTransit It was great! Glad I could help
No Problem. I look forward to working with you more for future videos.
I think that NYC metro should be thought more like a inter connected region. Currently we think of Long Island as one place, NYC as one, North Jersey as one and suburbs up north as one. I think it would be really beneficial if we think about it like Ruhr-Rhine region in Germany. Because a decision in one place will severally impact another place. So things like transit planning should have a more broader thought behind it.
I like this idea. Currently, this halts transit service, because people feel like trains shouldn't really come far out of their originating places.
I think that through running existing train/rail service would be ideal in creating an regional rail/S-Bahn network for NYC metro. Due to problems with revenue sharing between NY, NJ, and CT, such a network would be have to be contracted out to a 3rd party. The CT DOT, the MTA, and NJT will own the tracks themselves, and maintain them. The train equipment can possibly be leased out by the agencies and staffing will be done by the operator. Do you think that this is an interesting idea?
@@MysticTransit they can run as express service through the city like a 2nd ave express a west street service reactivated bushwick line but through S 4th station and lower manhattan then to Hoboken through running to NJ or back to LI . You can do through running of trains onto crosstown lines like triboro RX or express line 2nd ave and have new NJT services lines instead of slamming into Hoboken or Penn to through Staten Island and inter borough express. 125 can be a regional rail crosstown through service to new lines in NJ with trains no longer ending at Penn station from either LIRR or NJT giving more space to Amtrak for intercity services.
You'd have to make sure that the two state governments are of one mind on this, which means that both state governments would have to be run by progressive governors; that has to happen completely and utterly *_first_* before any project or agreement on unifiying transit systems.
Personally, as long as the various transit agencies have a fare payment system that allows one to use a credit card or ATM card containing a kernel of VISA in it (most/all debit cards belonging to most banks), I don't see any problem with each of the seperate agencies in New York, New Jersey and Conneticut being the way they are.
Trains like the London overground (which just have seats on the sides) could be perfect for journeys on commuter rail services that stay within cities boundaries, it's basically the purpose of the overground in london already
I fully agree. I would like to see some rolling stock similar to the London Overground's stock in NYC.
I like the idea of extending the Metro-North to Penn Station but as for the LIRR taking over the 2nd Ave line, I don't think that will work well. First the fare on the LIRR is different from the regular subway. I don't think people will spend more just to ride a train just to get off on the 3rd station
I like the idea of making the in-city fare the same as the subway - a fair fare!
Yes
I think the mta should work on frequency before expanding the system. The issue with the lirrr and metronorth is that they both cater specifically to commuters and workers, limiting access to those who would want to take the train for leisure activities or during off peak hours. I think ridership would increase if they implemented a service pattern where customers can take the train whenever they please (for the most part) instead of having to worry so much about missing the next train and planning ahead to take the train
I agree. I live in The Bronx and metro North is useless to me because of the infrequency in service. I don't use it unless I'm going to White Plains or Peekskill.
Yes, this is perplexing to me. I lived in New York many years ago, I now live in my home city of Stockholm. This relatively tiny city of only 2 million has 10 minute all day commuter trains on all the branches, while massive New York City actually has stations in the city where trains come every hour, if that.
By the way I know metronorth is moving away from diesels, they have started switching the p32 expresses to and from Wassaic with M7as and the p32 comet expresses to Danbury with M8s, getting rid of passenger diesels on both the Harlem and the New haven line.
This has always been something of a pet peeve of mine regarding the New York commuter rail system. I lived there many years ago and I saw the commuter rail system and always though it was strange that nothing more was done with it.
For instance, by through-running trains in Penn Station, you could not only increase connectivity throughout the region, you could also probably increase frequencies because a large bottle neck for sack-station-like operation is turning the trains around in a high frequency location, both because you're occupying valuable platform space for a long time and because turning the train means blocking trains going in the opposite direction. If you could instead turn around e.g. LIRR trains on lower frequency branches in New Jersey and NJT trains on lower frequency branches in Long Island, the capacity of Penn Station would increase without even having to build new tracks.
NJ Transit operates the ALP-45A which uses diesel, and overhead AC power to provide one-seat access to NY Penn Station from all lines. My ideal (not gonna happen) proposal would be to consolidate all NY/NJ/LI regional rail; electrify all LIRR & Metro North service with overhead AC; extend electric AC to Poughkeepsie (Albany, anyone?); extend subway service to LGA and JFK & NJ Transit (ok, why not AMTRAK) to EWR; make Staten Island Rail into a true loop.
3 metro-north stations on the west side of Manhattan can be easily built on the existing Amtrak line - 72 st, 125 st and Inwood
3:54 - Fun Fact: The Harlem Line was Originally gonna be used for The 2nd Avenue Subway's Extension in The Bronx.
The also Proposed The (5) Train using The Harlem Line & Rebuilding "149th Street - Grand Concourse" Station for it.
Oh, that's interesting. Not sure how much I like the idea of sending the (5) up there though, as that removes Lexington Avenue Service from the White Plains Road line.
@@MysticTransit transfers can remove this problem
I think the mta needs to see metro north and lirr not as a way to get out of the city but as a way to get from somewhere like penn to jfk in 30 min not 2 hours.
The MTA is a family where the siblings (NYC subway, SIRR, LIRR and Metronorth) act like they're not related and NJTRANSIT and PATH are they're cousins who they hate.
I think it would be cool to see Metronorth and LIRR as a more metro like service.
How about this Through Running NJ Transit trains to Jamaica Suthpin Boulevard Archer JFK Airport LIRR Platforms using dedicated Flirt Dual Modes 25kv 60hz 11kv 16.7hz 25hz PRR 750v DC Third rail Top & Bottom Contact Diesel Jamaica has direct service to High Bridge Raritan Valley Line and Bay Head NJCL. Another idea is getting Metro-North extended from Grand Central Terminal to lower Manhattan with a Spur towards Hoboken terminal where it can give West of Hudson Lines direct access to Grand Central Terminal. Option 2 is Through Running New Haven Line to Newark Penn Station this would require electric multiple units capable of running 12.5kv 25hz.
Metro North, the LIRR, and NYCT should be unified into a single network.
The two most important things NYC can do with regional rail is run MetroNorth down to World Trade and through run LIRR and NJT
While all part of the MTA, they still keep MN, LIRR and Subway separate majority of the time for reasons including faster commutes for those outside the 5 boros to Manhattan. There is also the usual calls for the MTA to be broken up into at least 3-5 separate entities like before allowing NYC more control over subway, bus and local tolls.
NJT usually uses trains with 1 diesel engine on one end and 1 electric on the other. The electric powers the train in areas near and in NYC due to laws, once outside those areas it switches over to diesel since tracks outside the zones are not electrified.
More doors on the trains would be needed for higher frequency operation, to get people on and off quickly.
A little off topic but they need the trains to speed up when they get to their last stops. Biggest Example is Hunters to LIC and back. It takes longer for the train to reach from hunters to LIC than you walking there.
Another thing to add is the is a more streamline dual electric trains. In The UK there are Itachi Brand bullet trains that uses the cattanary wires and also can switch to third rail but also built for high speed. Metro North New Haven line already had dual electric trains but only equipped for 80mph operating speed which is too slow for the Northeast Corridor which runs at 110mph to 135mph operating speed and 185mph capabilities.
I am from Germany, living in the area of the Rhein-Ruhr S-Bahn network ... the most recent change of the network was, to reduce certain lines from every 20 minutes to just every 30 minutes while adding an hourly express train on the S-Bahn tracks. Gaps between trains become larger and quite irregular - and sometimes the definition of local or express stops is raising some eyebrows: on the S9/RE49 there seem to be to too few express stop, while plans for the S6 see almost every stop as an express stop - local only are rather the low ridership stop that seemed to be candidates for being shut entirely.
In some places S-Bahn is in a weird position between the Regional Express (RE) and Stadtbahn (light rail) with its medium frequency, capacity, speed and distance between stops - with some passengers being glad they did not have to take the slower Stadtbahn and others frustrated they had just missed the faster RE ... ;-)
Take the Grand Central tail tracks to Fulton St like you suggest, but keep going. Immersed tube under the harbour to connect the SIR, then a new bridge to join the North Jersey Coast Line at Perth Amboy. Gives some NJT services direct access to downtown and the east side. Heck, it wouldn't even take that much extra track to join up the NEC near Metuchen and maybe even the Raritan Valley Line at Bound Brook (albeit this line would need to be electrified or run exclusively with the bimode locomotives).
Ooh... to Staten Island? For some reason, I really like that idea. Maybe send 2 tracks to SI, and the other two into Brooklyn?
@@MysticTransit 6 tracks: 2 to downtown, 2 to Brooklyn, 2 to Jersey city to for HBLR. While you’re at it, extend HBLR to Fort Lee. Extend heavy rail line from SIR/Perth amboy to New Brunswick and around Newark through Westfield, summit, Montclair, Paterson, Hackensack, fort lee over GWB to 168 st. and yankee stadium
Excellent
@@adamrubinstein3015 a rte 4 line?
If extending the LIRR from Downtown Brooklyn is not feasible, then please consider making a video on extending the path train from the WTC into downtown Brooklyn close to the Barclay Center. This is an alternative to the Path-Lex Proposal that was scrapped. PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON THAT. Thanks Buddy.
I've had a PATH extension on my video list for a long time now. I'll definitely make a video on it, both talking about extensions further into Jersey, and into NYC.
I though about this - just when I came from my first visit to Europe in 1999. Maybe even earlier, after my trip to Philadelphia, and riding SEPTA.
There was talk at one time of running Metro-North service along the Westside Hudson division along the Westside having stations at Dyckman Street 135th Street 125th Street and maybe some other stops along the way to Penn Station that's just another idea
Yeah, that belongs to Amtrak Empire Service now. Seems there should be some stops...
Can you please do a video on how to Improve NYC express buses? My solutions would be to have a cheap off peak fare $3.75 , create park and rides in select areas and create more H.O.V lanes catering towards M.T.A buses on highways and strictly enforcing it!
Phew! I like the idea of that, but I barely know anything about the Exp Buses.
I’ll see what I can do though.
Good point! Express buses have an interesting history- I remember my Dad swearing by the old "Command bus" line to commute to and from work between Downtown Manhattan and Flatbush or Flatlands/Canarsie. Improvements will heavily rely on expanding dedicated bus lanes and pushing them out to more underserved areas of BK and Queens.
@@boriqua1222 facts 💯
They should refocus service in underserved areas and eliminate lines that duplicate the subways while not even being faster
I agree with you.
Each commuter train could have "high capacity sections" for the city travelers.
I’m sorry to be negative but you don’t most of your proposals are out of place!
Regional rail is explicitly meant for long distance travel so removing seats is a bad idea. As a daily commuter from Brewster I hate spending 40 minutes on my feet.
You make suggestions that are more appropriate for a subway system(fyi: the LIR at Grand Central is really deep and way to expensive to extend.).
As someone trapped in a suburban NY community with out a car I can say we need better east west connections from the Metro north branches.
The two projects I’d like are a southeast NY to Danbury/ Waterbury/Hartford project, second a shoulder station or Flyover at Woodlawn junction where you could connect between the Harlem and New Haven lines.
As for NJ transit and Long Island rail road, Yes they should merge to create through running, but Metro North doesn’t have a route network that compliments the other agencies.
Commuter Rail is long distance travel. Regional Rail is within the city region. Services traveling far out of the city would retain all of their seats for riders making longer trips.
I believe I have two great ideas one of them will be a commuter stop at 149th and Park Avenue on the Harlem Hudson in New Haven of connecting making some kind of connections to the old post office building on the Grand Concourse and making it to connect two platforms where commuters and people in the area can use a giant Hub like station setting at 149th and Park Avenue years ago used to be a station at 138th Street but that was taking out in the early to mid 70s my second idea where is the Second Avenue subway running the Second Avenue subway through a tunnel connecting under the Harlem River having a station on the other side in the Bronx since that's becoming to be very well highly populated replacing the old 3rd Avenue elevated having it run up to 100 and 49th Street having it run the right-of-way along 3rd Avenue underground or maybe Webster Avenue and connecting it to Fordham Road I think that would be a great idea
I like the idea of sending the second av train to the Bronx's 3rd av too... and taking the G train over the hellsgate and down 125th to Broadway instead. .
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I think what would be great is a tunnel that connects the Bat Ridge branch at Brooklyn Army Terminal to New Jersey. I mean it’s like it was meant to be, they have the tracks going right up to the water, and there perfectly lined up with one the ports in NJ. You would no longer have to go to pass through Manhattan to get to NJ.
u some reasonable ideas given here! agreed that huge mezzanines are unnecessary at non major subway stops! (hello IND)
Lol. The funny thing is, the Second Avenue Line was originally the IND's plan. Maybe the MTA is trying to give them what they really wanted.
@@MysticTransit they did so very badly really badly
As a NYC Rail Buff since a kid I think that you should make a video on extending the L.I.R.R. from Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn to New Jersey with a stop somewhere in Lower Manhattan. Please make a video on that. Also make a video on extending the #7 train to Secaucus, NJ as it was once proposed during the #7 train expansion project. Secaucus has a big area to enable a "Park and Ride" for long distance drivers who come from very far that enter into the city without being in heavy traffic and polluting Manhattan's air quality. (Of course the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels will loose revenue but its less traffic and more revenue through ridership. The point of all of this is to let the MTA and other officials know that if they want to decrease traffic and emission gasses, they should expand these rail systems into New Jersey. Despite the hefty costs of all of this construction, revenue will be gained through ridership over the years. (Thus they make money back) Of course there will be red-tape and local community board meetings along with sharing the profits between the states of NY and NJ. As for the LIRR station at the UBS Stadium...I think that it will really only benefit Long Islanders living on Long Island. Most people from NYC would find it inconvenient to take a subway ride to Penn Station and then transfer and wait and pay more money in riding a commuter train just to see a hockey game, venue concert, or the triple crown horse race and the Belmont stakes which overloads the LIRR and has easy access to return to NYC because your on the subway sytem and you wont have to go all the way to Penn Station and overload that place.. The new UBS stadium is good because with more stadiums brings more events and tax dollars are made and local businesses can prosper. It also takes a load off of MSG and other arenas, thus providing more venues and more revenue. My idea is and PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON IT would be the extension of the F train all the way to the Queens -Nassau Border Line which sits on the Cross Island Parkway. Then, they just walk one block to the UBS Arena. (Note: The subway should only be extended to the Nassau County Line and not into Nassau County itself because of local opposition that can scrap the whole project) From 179th street and hillside avenue to the UBS Arena is only about 3 miles and those 3 miles in Queens are baron desert places with difficult transit options except for busses that are unreliable. Extending the F Train in this direction will also limit certain bus lines in queens and numerous NICE Busses that depart from Jamaica Station such as the N22 Bus into Nassau County making the traffic less and emitting less pollution. Also this route will end at Hempstead Turnpike which is a major thoroughfare in Nassau County providing faster and easier access to those that work in the city but live in Nassau County. The next subway stop could be an average 10 block from 179th street to 189th street and then another stop at 199th street then curving down Francis Lewis Blvd with a stop on Jamaica Ave/F.L.B and then continue unto Hempstead Avenue with another stop on 212th St/ Jamaica Avenue and Then Springfield Blvd and terminating on Hempstead Avenue right before the Cross island Parkway which is one block before the UBS Arena on the Queens/Nassau Border Line. With this new train extension, people can travel faster. Ridership and revenue will grow. stores will open up by train stations making communities prosper and more taxes for the city/state. Neighborhoods will improve. Less traffic and pollution. Areas will be gentrified. Run down areas will renovate and possibly new structures built. Yuppies can come in? Well...LOL. Maybe not? Most important...one can get around better if on foot and especially in bad weather. I moved to Nassau County from NYC 1 year ago and if it's not for my car, I would be stranded or it would take a long uncomfortable time for me to go back to Manhattan to visit my family and friends. And of course...my job which is in the city! To get the attention of law makers and politicians is to start with a Facebook like page. A news source told me that a Facebook like page with at least a minimum of 1,000 like brings attention to the news papers, media, and the politicians.
You should make a video elaborating on the idea of expanding the SAS to Queens
Hm, if the idea is popular enough, I probably will.
@@MysticTransit just go thru Brooklyn first to pick up the franklin av S as a branch then weave your way thru Queens past queens blvd to the east. Push the forrest hills M into eastern queens too and change the "M" on queens blvd into the "B" and the "B" in Coney Island to the "M" so the original M doesnt cross itself. The triboro rx combined with this and taking the G down 125th and the second av train up thrid av in the bx ....would nearly complete the system
Extend main bergen line or reactivate Erie line and go to Atlantic terminal-Barclays Center
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Thanks for subscribing! Also, I use Brand New Subway for the maps.
@@MysticTransit thanks.
My needs a cross rail
its highly unrealistic but it would be nice if the metro north converged around the middle of westchester. i live in peekskill and it would be nice to be able to take the train to my friends in new rochelle without having to take it all the way down to 125th on the hudson line and then back up to new ro on the new haven line. if the new haven and hudson lines each had something like an interstate spur or bypass, maybe branching off from philipse manor, meeting the harlem line at white plains, and reconnecting at dobbs ferry. and then for the harlem line maybe a straight connection between white plains and port chester.
again, this is highly unrealistic and im obviously not a transit expert. im just music about convenient regional rail😅
LIRR service should be extended to the Bronx via Amtrak's west side tunnel to give a Queens Bronx line. Or at least a cross platform transfer between Metro North New Haven line and LIRR at Penn Station.
I think removing the Major Deegan Expwy between I-278 and the GW Bridge and cutting back I-87 to Elmsford (the rest of the expwy would be renumbered I-95) would provide a massive opportunity to create a Manhattan bypass for the Metro North.
All of this 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
My idea/dream for NYC regional rail is to have NJ Transit extend to Sunnyside Yard which would have a new station built on the spot. This would have to wait until Gateway is completed since the current North River Tunnels are maxed out capacity wise. Also, the loop at Secaucus would need to be built in order to allow NJT Hoboken Division trains to run into NYC.
This would allow people coming from NJ to go to destinations in Queens and Long Island faster without having transfer onto the Subway at Penn Station or Port Authority if they are coming from NJ on the bus. Instead of having to crowd onto the subway in Midtown, travelers can just make transfers to LIRR instead at Sunnyside. This would alleviate the E train in particular. You can also try to create a massive transfer station/complex with all the local subways stations in the area.
What are your thoughts on this idea?
I actually like that. I don’t really have much to say about it, besides it being a good idea.
Why not a new line that extends Hoboken division trains into NYC and then through run them to LIRR Atlantic or reactivated bushwick line lower montauk service it can literally be what the IND 2nd system was
@@qjtvaddict If only the old Jersey Central Railroad tracks east of Elizabeth wasn't destroyed in the 1980s. You could have had Elizabeth be a junction between the Northeast Corridor and the old Jersey Central line (Currently the Raritan Valley Line). The Jersey Central Line would then go to Liberty State Park where the old waterfront terminal still exists as a museum. There's enough room on the approach to Liberty State Park to build a Cross-Harbor tunnel to Atlantic Terminal/LIRR.
They should send the second av train up 3rd av in the bronx and cross the G over the hells gate down 125th to Broadway. A tunnel should be built to take the triboro rx past LGA to the Bronx and then west across to Sedgwick av and the N to terminate at LGA. The southern second av train should cross into Brooklyn and then head to the transit deserts im queens. After all this NYC would only need extensions but no heavy work. I do like the idea of connecting the Metro North to Atlantic Terminal too!
Love the video! Although while the LIRR Should have a 2nd avenue branch I believe there should still be a 2nd avenue subway system to just give more transit options on the east side of manhattan especially since the Commuter rail networks in NYC are far more expensive compared to the subway and aren't as frequent. Aswell as maybe a video to fix traffic long bus corridors (largely known and a common one I ride in my daily commute the M15 & M15 SBS) which is always stuck in traffic (perhaps maybe separated bus lanes with pullover stops?), Let me know what you think and I would love to hear your opinion on this I think it's also a great way for everyone to learn more about more transit opportunities and a so much more friendlier world to travel in.
Along with that I believe instead of sending the SAS directly through 2nd Ave maybe they can branch it off a bit toward Ave A or Ave D downtown in the lower east side.
What about the Maybrook Line and CTrail?
Extend existing SLE trains along it increase capacity and speed of it and run 20 min service
As someone who lived in Westchester between the Hudson and Harlem line I've always wanted a life between the 2. Historically that would be the Putnam line but that had long since be demolished. Also I've always fantasized about small subway expansions into Yonkers
the Long Island railroad should expand north and south across Long Island also because currently there is no north south connection between the branches
Bruh. Just to build something 70ft deep to replace the lower half of 2AS will cost tens of billions
I would rather connect the LIRR and MN to NJ Transit.
The trains could run south from Grand central to the tip of Manhattan, then to Jersey city end at EWR.
Likewise, trains going through Penn station in NYC could also continue to EWR.
In the other direction, NJ Transit trains could end in the Bronx or Jamaica.
And a single zone based fare system with monthly tickets for all of these + MTA and PATH.
I like the 2nd Ave option for long Leland rail...
You know that New Jersey Transit also serves Philadelphia, right?
On the NJ side I pay $11 to go 22 miles to Penn Station....literally highway robbery...why?
Please make a video on how crucial it is to extend the second avenue subway going north and/or northwest. It's imperative to not only expand it to the A and #1 lines, but also into the Bronx. The 6 and D trains can go to co-op city but at least the second avenue subway should at least go unto 149th street in the Bronx or hunt's point avenue to the 6 train under the Bruckner expressway. Maybe yet...why not go up 3rd avenue to Fordham road or all the way up webster avenue to the Yonkers border with a station connection with the bell mouth that is already at 205th street on the D line that was proposed to CO-OP City in the 1920 expansion plan.
Combine in Metro North Railroad Long Island rail Rd. in New Jersey transit. It’s a great idea long saw it and thought of I think it should be re-designed and restructured and call the New York Tribeca state Railroad New York New Jersey and Connecticut all three governors have to get on board for this project. In the Mta should oversee it and have a partnership with New Jersey transit and see that in Connecticut department of transportation. It can also be name Metropolis commuter rail Road that’s a great idea🎆
There will never be an MTA/NJ Transit consolidation. The Port Authority already shows NY and NJ can't get their priorities in alignment
I agree, and do you remember the failed attempt by the MTA to merge the LIRR and Metro-North into a single commuter railroad? Most people on both sides of the Long Island Sound didn't like the idea.
I don't live in New York City anymore I know this is getting off the topic but one thing I wish they would do was make a light rail system that will go from Scranton Pennsylvania all the way to New York City that would be very awesome.
3:52 What is the name of this webpage?
How do you get commuter rail lines on brand new subway.
Unfortunately, you have to create them.
Lol, the second ave part for Long Island RR will never be in the plans. The stations you named would be to close together for the conductors to collect fares. Even now at some routes on the Long Island RR and Metro-North I see some passengers getting free rides because the conductor couldn’t get to them in time. Especially when the passenger gets on and rides it only 1 stop. None of the cities in the United States will ever be like Japan’s. In Japan some transit and commuter rails intermix in certain spots. Here the clueless FRA won’t allow that. The Port Washington branch of the Long Island rail Road would be great for NYC Transit to run as a local & have the Long Island RR express on separate tracks. That would make sense but it ain’t gonna happen.
Well, with OMNY, ticket-collecting should be eliminated. Passengers should be able to just tap in with OMNY at a station, and hop on the next train to take them to their destination.
@@MysticTransit that would be nice but explain to me how the conductors on the train know exactly we’re you’re getting off? Also Staten Island railway has a serious fare beating problem. When you take that train to the Staten Island ferry when you get off you have to pay to get out. But the slick people of Staten Island found another way to cheat the fare. They got off at the stop before st George terminal. So the MTA thought they were smart and made it where they have to pay to get out on that second station. Those Staten Islanders was so cheap they got off and walk to the Ferry from the third stop...... back to talking about the MTA commuter lines. They will always need a bunch of conductors‘s on a train unless they say they want to make it one price for the whole ride.
By making it to where riders would just tap with OMNY on the readers, conductors would not need to check tickets, or validate them anymore. There would most likely be fare barriers in the stations, similar to the subway, and whats seen in other systems around the world, like the London Overground. Distance-based fares could also be implemented, with people having to tap in and tap out at the beginning and end of their trip.
No need OMNY faregates for inner city station stops
@@silverskyscraper1179 same way SEPTA key does it you tap with the conductor and you tap out that way to calculate distance or WMATA style
1:00 Hey, did you know that p32 #225 was involved in the “Spuyten Duyvil Crash” when it was going too fast over a curve and derailed on its side (the curve was set for 50 mph idk and the train was going at 80 mph)
Edit: will you do a 1K subscriber special?
No, I did not know that.
Also, I'm not fully sure if I'll do a 1K Special. I'm leaning more towards no, however, I did have one "NEW" video planned for it.
Making the whole region one system is great but they would never do that, at least not anytime soon..people would be too scared that thier job would go away. I read somewhere in the comments where some said extending a tunnel to Staten Island which I think is an amazing idea but Staten islanders (mostly) would hate that...you have better chance of extending the light rail from Jersey...which Staten Island feels more connected too
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Nice 2 know
Great video :)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
1. We need regional rail, not commuter rail. 2. We need circumferential lines for suburb->suburb trips, and to upzone sprawl over the next 100 years.
You know...if you do that. OMNY would fall under SEPTA as well if you are combining all 3. Make it 4. If anything those are the only 2 cities that you can connect simultaneously with each other.
What are your thoughts on the RPA proposal for commuter rail in the region?
I think it is a good idea. I've talked about it in various videos, where I say that I like the idea of the Interborough Exp.
nice
By the way, even though MNRR and LIRR use virtually the same kind of trains, and both are powered from third rail - the thing is that LIRR using overrunning while MNRR uses underrunning. Will it be possible to install a current collector show, which will work both and under and over running?
I belive Metro North already does this on the New Haven line. There's no catenary running all the way to Grand Central, it has to switch power source at some point when it merges on to the North East Corridor.
@@dijikstra8 - Metro North has catenary AC & under running 3rd rail DC power for trains running on the old New Haven line. There are no overrunning/underrunning third rail EMUs or locomotives that I know of.
Jersey would never go for it.
First try to integrate LI with the North ... with all exclusive considerations given to CT.
I’m not a huge fan of this proposal. I mean… yes, NJT, MN, and LIRR should all be unified, and be 1 system, but I don’t like the “LIRR / MN/ NJT replacing subway lines (EX: 2nd Av). But It was not a bad video.
What is the software/ website you use for the maps?
Brand New Subway. It's a free website that allows you to create subways all around the world (Mainly Based in NYC).
@@MysticTransit I wonder if there are alternatives to BNS. I don't like the way the map automatically changes when you add lines to stations or rearrange routes (for example, combining 74-Broadway and Roosevelt Av stations into one complex turns it into a local stop when you add the 11 line to the 7 line as a substitute for the 7 Express.)
Speaking of which, BNS doesn't have the diamond lines (rush hour/express lines) available nor let you make them. And if you add a new line (say, the brown M train), the program doesn't arrange them in alphabetical order when you create stations.
they should get amtrack back into grancentreal station.
Well shit that can work
They gotta do something about those scratchy windows too.
Through running for penn station!
Love that route map. Where can i get this map ?
Which map? The fictional one or the Penn Station Access one?
Fictional: Brand New Subway.
PSA: The MTA has the pic on their website.
@@MysticTransit yeah the one that you were using your mouse with n like making new lines.
That first sentence isn't true. People complain about everything, including British and Germans.
Yes a unified system
metro NYC is much larger than Berlin or Paris.
When I see other people who share the exact same opinion as me with Mta I gotta wonder how these clowns who ran this system in the ground got their jobs. After seeing southern and south western our system needs work bad. We have examples on what works and we know what doesn’t. Those commuter trains be so packed sometimes.
Exactly. I feel like we need someone with knowledge of overseas Rail Systems, to really upgrade and improve ours. I feel like Andy Byford had us heading in the right direction, but we all know how that turned out...
Agree with you man, feel that American rail transit would better off in general if we got some European or Japanese experts over here to run the MTA, and other transit agencies.
@@kenw7287 I say let MTR take em over. Some bus agencies in the US are already run by foreign companies some based in France
combining nj transit with mta would be a fucking nightmare because of the bureaucracy
Have the feds create transit districts that force all transit systems in a metro area to coordinate and merge bus systems into a single agency depending on the city and region.
There would just be no way it would work logically since 1) not every line runs into NYC, 2) some of the lines aren’t electrified and 3) trying to run through services from LI or upstate to somewhere in NJ would take hours and would require M8 type rolling stock
The locomotive diesel trains are awful.
I think u made the rail service worse
LIRR is much worse than Metro North
Due to service plan that can be fixed with reform
OMG through running through Penn will NEVER work since the EQUIPMENT is not compatible. You can always implement OMNY on Jersey Transit. But say you want to go down this rabbit hole. Either you’re buying new rolling stock that can handle multiple power supplies, which only adds to the price per car, or you re-electrify entire networks. That’s not cheap. And stop with the Siemens Chargers if you said EMU’s are the way to go. But most importantly, through running only helps with operations, not commuters. Look at SEPTA. Hardly anybody rides from one side to the other. And oftentimes, it requires a change of train, because what are the chances your train will run to the branch you need on the other side?You’d wind up spending untold billions PER PASSENGER for this new service, a bargain compared to the 2nd Ave Subway.
Im 50/50 with you on this one. I feel like your trying to turn the railroad into a subway which is not going to work. Especially since the new station proposals you made are a bad a idea with the Harlem Line as they are way to close together for a railroad. I also talked to alot of Transit Fans and knowledgeable friends I know and they said the 2nd Ave subway is good the way it is with maybe suggestion to extend it to the Bronx. Only thing i can agree on that I can see them changing is frequency and seating. Great vid!
You need to use trains in London bro you are wrong it can work as they do it in Tokyo , Paris, London sort of still with terminals that should be through running like their crossrail and Thames link it can be done in NY too. Philadelphia had their regional rail literally copy the s-Bahn concept in NYC it will just have to be different lines. New lines can be created by simply turning NJT , LIRR and MNRR into through running operations and in many cases the trains don’t even have to cross each other’s networks they can loop back.
I'm sure no homeless on those trains in London either