Fun fact... the only way Trapper kills an Arsonist is if the Arsonist is being shrouded when they visit a trapped target. I've seen it happen before in vanilla ToS2 which is hilarious.
@@Quandry1 Not an attacking role when they visit, so it does the same thing as any harmful non-killing visit. Same as HM, PM, Medu without book, Baker, PB, etc.
@@CH-wn4le this is where you and I differ. While it might not be immediately violent. The arsonist is indeed attacking by priming that character by dousing them which is the purpose of their visit. the other roles you list are different. Medusa for example is not attacking regardless of having the book or not when they are using their stone ability. The book itself is attacking which can change their visit but the stone affect does not attack and does not actually cause harm. It just blocks their revealed role status if they were to die that night. It's purely anti-investigative. HM is listed as passive but there is an argument to be made that they should trigger traps as well, both for being part of the Coven and for effectively setting up their own arsonist type situation. The Potion Master is again a role that doesn't actually harm. Except when it's got the Necronimcon and thus should never trigger the trap and there is no argument for making it do so outside of the necronomicon/harmful potion and again works differently from the Arsonist and the Hex Master. So it not tigger traps makes sense. All it does is the cleric barrier (protective) and a reveal (investigative) without the book in hand unless something has changed. Baker also is not a harmful visit either. It's actually quite the opposite with the way how Baker and Famine works. The act of giving bread is actually marking that person as safe and not as a future harmed opponent. Effectively being the exact opposite of how the Arsonist visit works. Even when Famine visits later and takes away a piece of bread this can be argued as non-harmful even though it accelerates the starvation, because all it is doing is removing a bit of the protection they provided in the first place. The harm comes purely from the non-visitation passive of having Famine on the field in the first place. And PB is the third role that should potentially have to worry about the traps for the same reason as Arsonist. They are spreading a harmful setup that does not go off right away. It's just that their ultimate mass killing is a bit delayed like the baker but unlike the baker they are not protectively marking anybody in their pre-transformed state which is why the PB should have to worry about the trap and why the Baker should not. On top of that the plaguebearer is even worse because it's killing passive doesn't fully stop if you kill it. Stacks can still be spread about the town by anybody visiting others, and the Coven could still necro them back to life to make their plague take effect and kill towns members. With the fact being that unless you are using the necronomicon to kill you are only visiting corpses and if Pestilence has been killed by the town before fully killing it. You may be less likely to succumb to the Pestilence yourself because you are less likely to actively visit infected players as the Necro. So the PB Pestilence ends up being potentially a sort of double threat against the town even if it dies and the right role is in play. So in short. Several of the roles you mention do not actually work the same, and the couple that do have real reasons why they should probably trigger traps right along with the Arsonist.
I understand the friendship dynamic of this group is teasing people a lot but it feels like people are so mean to Graecie! At least when people are mean to Chilled it's because he always goes full goblin mode. 😂 Graecie is sweet as pie!
In relation to Skadj losing as Cursed Soul when he shouldn't have, Immovable is bugged with Cursed Souls. The win condition only works with Immovable disabled.
Love when she's blaming Apple for executing her but she literally could've revealed as mayor at any point during the previous day or at least make the claim so Apple would know NOT to jail he. But no, she waits until she's in jail and Apple has no other choice but to execute and hope its right, then blames Apple, and calls her a dumbass. What a fucking joke.
I'm glad we had such interesting games from this session! Hearing Minx hold the town hostage or else the Jailor role would cease to exist was a fascinating scenario, but then the Jailor just executed Ze and another jailor executed the Mayor, and things went really off the rails, lol. It's a shame Immovable doesn't work with Cursed Soul at the moment so hopefully that bug will be fixed soon. I also wish the Arsonist could be killed by the Trapper normally because that is not a friendly visit, lol. What luck Ze had to be saved by time running out in that second round, all so he could eventually find the Shroud and help pave way for the town Arsonist to incinerate everyone! The interactions Ze had with the Jailor in the final round were also very entertaining and it's a shame Greg had to perish so quickly, lol. Overall this was a very fun video, Ze, and I'm glad you're still having fun and sharing this great content with us!
I hear you, and it gets tiring to hear it. You often see people love Court, Apple, Pasta and all the other women, yet some people act like calling Kara out on her terrible behavior is just sexism. Like no, her behavior is just offputting, no one else in these lobbies have a behavior as obnoxious as her.
Same. I did the disservice of actually watching a few of her videos. They’re great if you like watching a self righteous, intolerable streamer go on political rants and attack her own subs. Basically, she’s actually worse than what we get to see small snippets of in other people’s videos.
@@blakew5672 politics do that to a motherfucker. Want to pull the worst out of people, introduce them to politics (doesn't even matter what country the politics are for, the end results are the same)
I've disliked her for years since an early monopoly with Cheesy. She was an absolutel asshole to him fir accidentally making a winning trade and accused him of somehow cheating?? Chilled did his best to explain that's simply chance and how the game works but she just kept hammering until you could hear cheesy was sad and uncomfortable and asked for forgiveness....over monopoly.
@@helmaschine1885 Yeah she is awful like that. I remember another Monopoly game where she kept throwing a hissy fit until Chilled just cancelled a deal he was trying to make, then a little later she did the exact same deal without a peep. Just a gigantic hypocrit.
Damn, Kara’s back at it again. If she’s making personal insults against other people, why won’t she look at herself. She didn’t play her cards right too. Apple just made a play that didn’t pay off.
I was in Apples stream and told her after she made the correct call. She couldn't take the chance Kara was lying and Kara was ignoring that part of the game exists.
unfortunately a lot of these group videos have her in it. but it sucks because all she does is complain and turn the game back to her, even when she’s supposed to be dead and not talking.
I did that for a long time. I went so far I wouldn’t watch Skadj videos either because he runs defense for her when she gets that way. Fortunately Chilled doesn’t have her in that many videos anymore. Not that I have a problem with Ze, but Chilled is more entertaining imo.
I never mind it when people have political opinions, more the better. ;p But to be honest.. It does bother me when this group (the whole thing) jumps on one side of the political side and just rails and rails against it. Like.. I'm on that side as a low-wage worker, the guy they're talking about, his policies kind of helped put money in my and my families bank accounts, you know? Sometimes it's easy to forget that. Still, ya'll are fun to watch, some smiles and laughs along the way can brighten up the night.
@@StylesEste Seeing another comment of yours: His policies did not give you money, that was the economy that he inherited from Obama. Studies have proven that the economy lags behind presidencies. What we've had for the last few years has been Trump's economy. The next few years coming up we'll have Biden's. It doesn't happen instantly.
Fun fact... the only way Trapper kills an Arsonist is if the Arsonist is being shrouded when they visit a trapped target. I've seen it happen before in vanilla ToS2 which is hilarious.
@@alittledeadinside I do agree with them it should go off anyway.
same for PB and Baker, and IIRC it only goes off for Pirate if they win or are shrouded
@@Quandry1 Not an attacking role when they visit, so it does the same thing as any harmful non-killing visit. Same as HM, PM, Medu without book, Baker, PB, etc.
@@CH-wn4le this is where you and I differ. While it might not be immediately violent. The arsonist is indeed attacking by priming that character by dousing them which is the purpose of their visit.
the other roles you list are different. Medusa for example is not attacking regardless of having the book or not when they are using their stone ability. The book itself is attacking which can change their visit but the stone affect does not attack and does not actually cause harm. It just blocks their revealed role status if they were to die that night. It's purely anti-investigative.
HM is listed as passive but there is an argument to be made that they should trigger traps as well, both for being part of the Coven and for effectively setting up their own arsonist type situation.
The Potion Master is again a role that doesn't actually harm. Except when it's got the Necronimcon and thus should never trigger the trap and there is no argument for making it do so outside of the necronomicon/harmful potion and again works differently from the Arsonist and the Hex Master. So it not tigger traps makes sense. All it does is the cleric barrier (protective) and a reveal (investigative) without the book in hand unless something has changed.
Baker also is not a harmful visit either. It's actually quite the opposite with the way how Baker and Famine works. The act of giving bread is actually marking that person as safe and not as a future harmed opponent. Effectively being the exact opposite of how the Arsonist visit works. Even when Famine visits later and takes away a piece of bread this can be argued as non-harmful even though it accelerates the starvation, because all it is doing is removing a bit of the protection they provided in the first place. The harm comes purely from the non-visitation passive of having Famine on the field in the first place.
And PB is the third role that should potentially have to worry about the traps for the same reason as Arsonist. They are spreading a harmful setup that does not go off right away. It's just that their ultimate mass killing is a bit delayed like the baker but unlike the baker they are not protectively marking anybody in their pre-transformed state which is why the PB should have to worry about the trap and why the Baker should not. On top of that the plaguebearer is even worse because it's killing passive doesn't fully stop if you kill it. Stacks can still be spread about the town by anybody visiting others, and the Coven could still necro them back to life to make their plague take effect and kill towns members. With the fact being that unless you are using the necronomicon to kill you are only visiting corpses and if Pestilence has been killed by the town before fully killing it. You may be less likely to succumb to the Pestilence yourself because you are less likely to actively visit infected players as the Necro. So the PB Pestilence ends up being potentially a sort of double threat against the town even if it dies and the right role is in play.
So in short. Several of the roles you mention do not actually work the same, and the couple that do have real reasons why they should probably trigger traps right along with the Arsonist.
When the Jailor said "Trick or Treat these nuts" you should have said, "Are those fun size or something?" :D
I understand the friendship dynamic of this group is teasing people a lot but it feels like people are so mean to Graecie! At least when people are mean to Chilled it's because he always goes full goblin mode. 😂 Graecie is sweet as pie!
In relation to Skadj losing as Cursed Soul when he shouldn't have, Immovable is bugged with Cursed Souls.
The win condition only works with Immovable disabled.
"He can't do a lot of things properly, but we still love him"
Dang Kara doesnt stop. She reaaaaaaaally needs to make her point
Town Arsonist is such a wild combo 😂
but have you seen Town Death
@@cybergalacticnova Woah, how does that work? If their timer runs out, does apocalypse still win?
@@daneshannonsparks Town auto wins basically. You also see Death silhouette for the town winscreen as well. Lmfao
Casually skipping through Kara complaining about dying ingame
the amount of times she breaks the rules she is so hell bent on other people following (like talking when dead) irks me
@@sims8963 her talking down on other people's intellect is starting to irk me, tbh
finally, someone sees Kara for the hypocrite she is
@@mellchiril What really got me was how she spoke to apple, I felt so bad for her i could see it affected her when she couldnt focus on the game.
Love when she's blaming Apple for executing her but she literally could've revealed as mayor at any point during the previous day or at least make the claim so Apple would know NOT to jail he. But no, she waits until she's in jail and Apple has no other choice but to execute and hope its right, then blames Apple, and calls her a dumbass.
What a fucking joke.
out of everyone to leave the choice of "if i hit ignite does town die?" yup 100% of the time they would hit it.
I'm glad we had such interesting games from this session! Hearing Minx hold the town hostage or else the Jailor role would cease to exist was a fascinating scenario, but then the Jailor just executed Ze and another jailor executed the Mayor, and things went really off the rails, lol. It's a shame Immovable doesn't work with Cursed Soul at the moment so hopefully that bug will be fixed soon. I also wish the Arsonist could be killed by the Trapper normally because that is not a friendly visit, lol. What luck Ze had to be saved by time running out in that second round, all so he could eventually find the Shroud and help pave way for the town Arsonist to incinerate everyone! The interactions Ze had with the Jailor in the final round were also very entertaining and it's a shame Greg had to perish so quickly, lol. Overall this was a very fun video, Ze, and I'm glad you're still having fun and sharing this great content with us!
Last time I was this early Ze was rping as the great nation of Svalbard
Yay! A Town of Salem video! My Fav :D
Word of advice if you get arso as CS: stay home to clean gas off yourself before igniting.
I love for the immovable modifier it was just Skadj chilling 😂
Im happy Town of Salem is still going. Its a very fun game to watch intertwining with among us videos.
Remember that time before when Ze killed a Town Arsonist in Jail... yup, it's definitely the sensible thing to do.
Avengers of evil is a fun name for the League of Doom lol.
Hash brown for president!!
Yeah, I count that first game as a town win.
Funny game mode idea. 2 TP 2 TK, n Jailor, 2 Random Cov, 2 Apoc and 3 NKs
That sounds like a very bad time for Town
Gasoline.
Feels nice, hated Kara for this exact behavior but always got rude replies that i was somehow wrong and hated women.
I hear you, and it gets tiring to hear it. You often see people love Court, Apple, Pasta and all the other women, yet some people act like calling Kara out on her terrible behavior is just sexism. Like no, her behavior is just offputting, no one else in these lobbies have a behavior as obnoxious as her.
Same. I did the disservice of actually watching a few of her videos. They’re great if you like watching a self righteous, intolerable streamer go on political rants and attack her own subs.
Basically, she’s actually worse than what we get to see small snippets of in other people’s videos.
@@blakew5672 politics do that to a motherfucker. Want to pull the worst out of people, introduce them to politics (doesn't even matter what country the politics are for, the end results are the same)
I've disliked her for years since an early monopoly with Cheesy. She was an absolutel asshole to him fir accidentally making a winning trade and accused him of somehow cheating??
Chilled did his best to explain that's simply chance and how the game works but she just kept hammering until you could hear cheesy was sad and uncomfortable and asked for forgiveness....over monopoly.
@@helmaschine1885 Yeah she is awful like that. I remember another Monopoly game where she kept throwing a hissy fit until Chilled just cancelled a deal he was trying to make, then a little later she did the exact same deal without a peep. Just a gigantic hypocrit.
Kara is so dam rude lol
41:13 "it's been thirty seconds!!"
48:05 dogboy skadj pog
52:47 52:56 😳😳😳😳
Starting the video off strong with smoking
Damn, Kara’s back at it again. If she’s making personal insults against other people, why won’t she look at herself. She didn’t play her cards right too. Apple just made a play that didn’t pay off.
So glad I'm not alone with this opinion.
I was in Apples stream and told her after she made the correct call. She couldn't take the chance Kara was lying and Kara was ignoring that part of the game exists.
Yep, this happens so often, yet some people wonder why there are people who aren't fans of Kara.
i feel like kara has been increasingly more aggressive every time i see her in these lobbies. it’s starting to make watching less enjoyable :(
Ok but there's a reason y'all noticed and zeroed in on her, I'm sure y'all know that
34:59 that's me😂
That mod really scammed that win 😂
Ze defending Skadj as Trickster instead of Minx is such a missplay...
I'm an extroverted nerd, it's a lil wild 😂
xD
honestly i think im gonna avoid any video with kara in it now
unfortunately a lot of these group videos have her in it. but it sucks because all she does is complain and turn the game back to her, even when she’s supposed to be dead and not talking.
I did that for a long time. I went so far I wouldn’t watch Skadj videos either because he runs defense for her when she gets that way.
Fortunately Chilled doesn’t have her in that many videos anymore. Not that I have a problem with Ze, but Chilled is more entertaining imo.
Bepis
i inhale it. dose nothing to me. seen other pukes from it tho.
Skadj at the end just saying "Nazi" was a bit weird?
the graecie sheld be dead comments were too much for me :( it just feels mean
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I wonder if we will ever get a short of Ze Jackin it(or video, you know which one)😋🍹
I never mind it when people have political opinions, more the better. ;p
But to be honest.. It does bother me when this group (the whole thing) jumps on one side of the political side and just rails and rails against it. Like.. I'm on that side as a low-wage worker, the guy they're talking about, his policies kind of helped put money in my and my families bank accounts, you know? Sometimes it's easy to forget that.
Still, ya'll are fun to watch, some smiles and laughs along the way can brighten up the night.
@@StylesEste Seeing another comment of yours: His policies did not give you money, that was the economy that he inherited from Obama. Studies have proven that the economy lags behind presidencies. What we've had for the last few years has been Trump's economy. The next few years coming up we'll have Biden's. It doesn't happen instantly.