Barbie's Oscar Snub: Greta Gerwig, Comedy Bias & the Women Directors Dilemma! | By the Numbers
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2024
- Why do comedies and female directors rarely get the nod? In this By the Numbers we dive into the mystery behind Greta Gerwig's 'Barbie,' a billion-dollar hit, being snubbed by the Oscars, unpacking the tough odds, comedy bias, and the uphill battle for female directors.
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Barbie had great moments, but I think it is ultimately less than the sum of its parts. I really don’t understand the best adapted screenplay nom, because parts of it are pretty clunky. Best prod design, costume design, and song noms, those I understand.
I don't understand "best adapted screenplay" because it's actually an original script. There's no original story to be adapted behind it.
Why not just "Best screenplay"? Its winner, Anatomy of a Fall, was slow and tiring, the whole trial was so badly written and acted it had NOTHING to do with how trials work. Just a collection of overused tropes.
Oscars have nothing to do with quality anyway
Before saying "snub", ask which Best Director nom should have been kicked so Greta could have been nominated. Truth is, the lineup of nominees this year was incredibly strong, one of the best in recent years. Should Scorcese not have been nominated? Was Barbie better directed than Poor Things? Than the Zone of Interest?
you saved me making a comment
Thank you!
Scorsese should not have been nominated, Flower Moon is one of his drier films in years. Mind, that's still a * very * high bar compared to other films in general but there wasn't anything Scorsese hasn't done better before.
That being said I think this has less to do with direction and FAR more to do with Barbie being a comedy, a genre regularly snubbed, and Flower Moon being a historic drama, a genre that Hollywood puts on their highest pedestals.
This.
Even if there was a sixth nominee, I wouldn’t give it to Greta. I’d give it to Celine Song, she really deserved more recognition.
the fact that the barbie movie was basically a love letter from women to women and yet all anyone could talk about was "i'm just ken" told me everything i needed to know about barbie's chances at the oscars.
Everyone was talking about it being a woman movie, Ken was side character.
It just wasn’t a good movie. Make a cohesive plot that engages the viewer instead of shoving “woman good man bad” into your face for 2 hours. Literally just add a single extra plot point. Just one.
The real victim is Killers of the Flower Moon not getting ANYTHING. (And don't bring up the runtime; Oppenheimer was only 25 minutes shorter.)
That film sucked
I wouldn't say runtime I just think she was kinda limited by her role in the film. She stole every scene she was in but her parts came sporadically throughout the film that's over 3 hours. While Emma Stone was the forefront of the entire film and the plot revolved a lot around her while Gladstone was more or less reacting to the actions around her. I'm a fan of what she did but I'd give it to Stone in a heartbeat.
It felt 3 hours longer, though...
Oppenheimer is better in every way though…..
One thing I have learned is that Pop Culture movies , Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Super Mario Brothers, My Little Pony, Ninja Turtles, NEVER win Oscars. Oscars go to movies about History and humanity and movies that NO ONE saw because they were NEVER advertised and were NEVER at theaters and only ran at festivals.
Exaggeration much?
Either it's satire, because none of those movies had a whif at getting Best Picture
the sad thing is that a lot of those movies, and barbie most especially, IS about history and humanity. it's about the history of the humanity that has been (and continues to be) denied to women.
@dietotaku Every other movie with and about women is infinitly more important than anything about a toy that comes to life.
Show me a movie about the real history of where the doll came from, and then you can claim it is justly deserving of an award.
@@ObsessiveGeek tell me you didn't watch the movie without telling me you didn't watch the movie
I think it should have gotten production and coustumes but im not mad poor things won cause poor things was fantastic and honestly better then oppenhimer
Agreed. I was a little sad Barbie didn't get production design because I really loved the look and feel of Barbieland, plus the practical way they did the transition to the 'real world'. But Poor Things also had a really interesting and unique look so can't be too upset.
WHAT DOES INCOME HAVE TO DO WITH QUALITY
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people don't tend to spend billions of dollars seeing bad movies
@@dietotaku That logic doesn't really follow when most people saw it opening day together with Oppenheimer, not because they were recommended to see it. Also the movie is based on an extremely well known IP and doesn't really need to stand on it's own.
@@dietotaku*Marvel universe directors laughing in the background*
Any idea what happened to honest trailer commentaries?
The most recent community post on the channel says they'll return sometime in the spring!
They've slowly cut content and people over the last few years. Feels empty and like there is no new stuff really. Like there used to be reviews for everything, trailer commentary, random news videos, movie fights. I think soon they will decide to finally shut it down
Everybody but Spencer is gone.
"Is that really Kenough?" Clever. :)
I thnk there's a lot to think about correlation and causality
Statistics are just statistics
How you interpret them is another thing entirely
No one is saying this about Godzilla Minus One, which was arguably the best film last year. The idea that Barbie was too successful to win is idiotic. Barbie just doesn’t stand up compared to the other films on that list.
orrrrr maybe it just wasn't on the level of other nominees ???
there are too few women on oil rigs
CAN YOU FEEL THE KENERGY?!
Maybe it’s that other films were better. I don’t take any discussion around “snubs” seriously unless you specifically point out which of the five nominees should have been removed and why it’s clear and obvious the “snub” deserved it over them. There’s no infinite slots. There’s five.
Anyone know the movie at 3:19?
Barbie was good, it was, but it would be a joke if Barbie won anymore oscars than it did, Billie got hers, thats enough 😂
so what should barbie have done differently to deserve an award? not be funny? not be aimed at women? not be made by women? not be kid-friendly? is there a reason good movies can't win awards for telling jokes and being accessible to minors?
@dietotaku 😂😂😂 no! you overly sensitive marshmallow! Think for half a second,
Forest Gump (comedic btw)
Parasite
The departed
Gladiator
Titanic
Braveheart
Schindler' List
Silence of the Lambs
...and you think Barbie belongs on that list? 😂
Black Panther is one of my favourite marvel movies, beutiful cinematography, amazing acting, fantastic story. But it would still have been a joke if it won best picture when it was nominated 😂 I respect cinema.
@dietotaku also maybe try giving your protagonist a character arc. You probably don't know if you know what that means, though.
Billie's song is atrocious. Best thing about Barbie was the sets and costumes. Although the costumes were great in Poor Things, just very standard.
I'M JUST KEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where’s celine songs video
okay but what are the actual percentages of movies that were female directed or female led? just comparing the number of nominations doesnt account for that and isnt honest statistics
They did mention that. Both at 2:18 when they said that the number of nominated women directed movies was NOT on par with the number of female directed movies, and in the bit after 5:33, esp at 5:59 where they point out that the percentage of female directed is increasing over time, but still abysmal
@@mwater_moon2865 they said that its not on par, but then the stats they showed later didn't take that into account, and the bit at 5:33 doesnt mention it either. 5:59 does, but says that 4% of the 1200 top grossing films from 2007-2018 were directed by women, but thats not the same time frame that the oscar noms data is pulled from.
Additionally, if we assume that only movies in that set are ever nominated, then it's actually better to be a female director than a male director. if 4% of movies are directed by women, and 6% of nominations are women, then women are actually *over* represented in the oscar nominations, not under represented. that does ignore the other issues though like time frame
Bring back SJU!
3:23 LOL Lady Bird is NOT having it, bucko!
1:34 Holy gender gap Batman😦!
But how many female directors are there and are the films worthy of the nomination? Can’t have equality of outcome without equality of input. Otherwise it’s just like a participation trophy
Is the male narrator @Sean Evans?
The narrator of this video is Spencer Gilbert
To be fair, Katie Oppenheimer was pretty sick and likely would won support actor if the support actor is not Lewis Sutrss.
im begging for HTC once again.
Scan me this: how many average movies, with a very in-your-face message and only 1 memorable character and moment have been nominated?
But but but….. women.
This info doesn’t make any sense. Less than 15% of all working directors now are female. That’s the snub not the amount that get nominated etc. Or maybe less women want to direct, and that’s why there’s such a low number. How about we just rate movies off of quality instead of who makes them. Barbie was good but I don’t think it fits with the academy. They are just trying to boost ratings by nominating it at all.
The academy wants to be so fancy that “normal people” haven’t even heard of the incredible movies that we could not even understand if we could find it.
I think comedy is a real challege for a film to win an Oscar. It may need to have very deep thoughts and metaphor for it to work. Barbie speak for gender equality, but I think it is only touching the surface of the problem in that case. I enjoy the movie enough, but it is not that deep thought on what gender inequality can do to someone.
A real life women survive through an extreme gender inequality society maybe get more Oscar attention (if it is good)
the fact that people think Barbie doesn't have very deep thoughts and metaphors and isn't about real life women surviving through gender inequality is an absolute travesty. America Ferrera had an entire MONOLOGUE on what gender inequality does to women, did you guys see a pretty woman on screen and immediately shut your brains off?
gender aside... was Barbie a good movie??
BARBIE SHOULD HAVE WON MORE THAN 1 AWARD!
Nah…. Def nah.
@@DankasorusRex NAH SHUT UP!
@@DankasorusRex NAH SHUT UP TROLL!
Entitlement is high with this one.
MARGOT AND GRETA SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOMINATED!
Nolan was winning anyway
Awards and recognitions don't go to directors, they go to movies. What movie made by a woman you feel deservs more recognition? Barbie? Please. That movie is not very good. It's not bad either, it's just mediocre at best. It got exactly the amount of awards it deserved. Btw, something being popular doesn't mean its good. The masses have terrible taste. If not, Marvel movies should be getting all of the awards.
BARBIE DESERVES MORE!
More men have made films, by far, so more women directors with great films like Gerwig need to make films.
But sadly it isn’t up to women whether they get to direct more films. Studios have to hire women directors which they are not doing. 4% of films were directed by women in the last year. That seems pretty grim.
@@tiffanysandmeier4753and 20% if studio heads are women. Why don’t they hire more women like themselves? Maybe because there aren’t that many good female directors?
Hot Take: Just watched Poor Things... *Overrated.*
Sure is a lot of hate for the film in this comment section.
Weird that, considering the movie was great, worth celebrating, and overall a fun time.
Isn't it funny how whenever a historically marginalized group points out institutional disparities, people come out of the woodwork (and into this comment section apparently) to provide perfectly reasonable reasons to explain away these obvious systemic biases? I don't know about the rest of you, but if it's reasonable to expect discrimination and exclusion from any institution, then that institution is inherently unreasonable.
Nobody is saying discrimination is good. You are saying that people should discriminate though and give awards to women that don’t deserve it because they’re a woman. That’s called discrimination, I know it’s complex but you’ll get it one day.
@@DankasorusRex Where, exactly, did I say that people should discriminate? Interesting how whenever the topic of not being a bigot is brought up, the other side flips out and suggests that any attempt to correct systemic discrimination is itself a form of discrimination. But sexism isn't just a person of one gender hating another gender, it's a system held up by rules, laws, culture and the powerful people who benefit. Unless you're suggesting that we're living in some ancient matriarchal society, this system we live in is designed to benefit men. You're really proving the adage true that "to the privileged, equality feels like discrimination."
POOR THINGS IS OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Success doesn’t mean it’s a good movie.
Though I agree with the stats, there’s many great movies made, written and starring women that deserve the spotlight, Barbie wasn’t one of them.
Getting nominated in this case was the best they could’ve hoped for.
I liked Barbie, it was fun, but I don't think it was Oscar worthy. Oppenheimer was honestly better.
the fact that barbie spoke to my soul in a way no movie has since inside out, meanwhile i didn't even bother to see oppenheimer because i don't want to sit through 3 hours of dreary apocalyptic dick-swinging, begs to differ.
@@dietotakuspoke to ur soul…..? Oh you mean the single plot point and no character progression was relatable? Got it.
The answer is kathelyn kennedy the head of starwars... i rest my case
After Nikki Bailey bailed out of the Presidential race, that's the reason why US still ain't ready for lady seated in the oval office,
The US wasn’t ready for a black man either…they still aren’t!
Progress requires a leap of faith more often than not.
The irony is that Universal begged Warners to move Barbie from its release date, and when Warners refused, Oppenheimer benefited enormously by turning another boring 3-hour biopic into a battle-of-the-sexes for incels.
Bruh are you saying liking Oppenheimer is akin to being an incel or am I crazy
Boring, it’s magnificent. Better then barbie. I’m sorry crybaby you can’t sit through a 3 hour movie
Thanks for proving you didn’t watch Oppenheimer
@@CarnageTrooperx I would say that people who use the word "bruh" without sarcasm have probably never touched a woman
@@JB-nj2wr I did watch it - and the only thing you just proved is me right 😆 Oppenheimer isn't even Nolan's best movie 🤡
The problem is we still mostly reward films based on merit. Down with meritocracy!!
no we don't. exhibit A: all of the statistics in this video.
@@dietotaku you have an unstated assumption.
Or maybe other films are better. It’s not snubs
That’s honestly what I’m thinking and this is someone who honestly enjoyed Barbie too
Saw it was ok but there were alot of better films
Would you have that same sentiment for Godzilla Minus 1?
I never saw barbie, but a bubbly colorful movie with music that's a metaphor for gender equality. That's my guess why it didn't win. And ironically enough that's why most people think it should have won.
@@ZeroTimesZero I mean it was a good movie but I really didn’t think it should get Best Film of the Year ya know. Cuz I feel like there was just much better movies so I definitely wouldn’t say it was snubbed
Snubbed, ah yes the white women doesn’t get nominated. Where’s this over the top outrage for celine song for past lives a better film then barbie. Sucking up to the barbie fans for clicks
I see no point in this video. 10 spots for Best Movie, 5 spots for Best Director. The chances were low to get a spot there, even if your movie was nominated. Even if they added a 6th spot and demanded a woman director to occupy it, I wouldn't give it to Gerwig but Celine Song. Past lives was a better movie even if it didn't make a ton of money. And even if they added 5 spots for 5 women directors, Nolan wouldn't lose it this year and if he did he would lose to Lanthimos' Poor Things. So make a great movie first and then whine if you get snubbed. Highest grossing doesn't mean highest quality or a better movie.
Or maybe just maybe, Barbie wasn't a great film
wtf is wrong with you. It wasn’t a good movie
Oh it wasn't a good movie? According to you, a random nobody on the internet. Well I'm convinced!
Yawn. Yet Another Us vs Them bit
Barbie was just 💩 people are just deluded to accept it and the problem with female writers/directors, is that they project themselves into the characters instead of making the character what they're supposed to be 😂
tell me you're a 14yo incel without telling me you're a 14yo incel