I've been a record collector for 50 years. Ended up with 7000. Equal numbers of LPs, 45s and 78s. Time spent looking through records is never wasted. I always had about 30 or so songs or records that I was continously looking for. The real treasures were the ones I'd run across while searching for what I wanted. 😀
Even picking up a box of 78's that I don't think I will like can still provide enjoyment and some surprise additions the collection. I try not to judge people based on how they enjoy their collections, but our styles are very similar, so I think you are doing things the right way! : )
As a collector I usually looked past the “too bad a shape” records as well… that all changed when I got a wind-up. They can still perform decently on a mechanical reproducer, and I certainly don’t feed the good 78s to it! If they’re cheap/free and the music’s actually good, I’ll gladly take a beater copy.
This is GREAT advice! I will mention it in a future video. I don't encourage the playing of high-grade discs on wind-up machines because experience and science both agree that it will damage them, however records that will sound rough on modern equipment can sound really good on a spring motor machine.
@@MarkAtnip Well of course they will, records of this time were for high society types and you would pay $1 for the record, play it a few times, then throw it in the bin. They were made to be disposable because that's the only way they knew how at the time, and what they knew was just you play it a few times until it's gone bad and that's just the way it was. That's why if you ever go bottle digging in old trash dumps in the woods you might come across many broken record shards.
Thank you for your excellent and most interesting video yes it is the excitement of the hunt that’s keeps us going . Although I do find as I get older all that crouching and kneeling down it takes one a while to be able to walk again some 20 minutes later cheers Carl .
Ross Bagdasarian (more commonly known as David Seville, creator of "The Witch Doctor" and subsequently "The Chipmunks"), made a screen appearance in 1954 with Alfred Hitchcock in "Rear Window". He portrayed the composer whose enchanting music saved "Miss Lonely Hearts" from committing suicide. It is said that Bagdasarian was fond of the "Gene Carroll Animal Records" and strived to mimic them. The Gene Carroll Animal Records usually had a dialogue between 2 or 3 animal characters and was followed by a pertinent song. In the late 1940's, Carroll used a technique in which the 10-inch master disc was cut at 45 RPM but was intended to be played back at 78 RPM, making the human voices sound like cartoon animals. The actors slowed down their speech during recording achieve the effect. Bagdasarian achieved his effects entirely on recording tape.
Other than a few scarcities by Ken Griffin (whom my Grandfather listened to frequently) the organ recordings are very cheap, as few people collect them. You should be able to put together a pretty good accumulation of them for pretty much nothing from Dance Band, Jazz and Blues collectors that don't want them!
@@MarkAtnipMy mom worked in a restaurant where Ken Griffin played the organ. I posted her recollections of him on my Facebook page about two years ago. According to her, he was an ignorant womanizing low-life. But I have always liked his records, which brought bad memories to her when she heard me play them!
When i go to a record shop ( wich is not often ), i always go through this ' low - quality ', barn - find records. In Slovakia, where i live, i only found Supraphon label or Ultraphon label. Sometimes, i find some german or hungarian records. I would love to go to america and go though records like that there.
For me doing something like this - digging through "barn-find" 78s - is at least half of the charm of this hobby (the other half being playing them and discovering new songs or artists), because you never know what you're gonna find - as you've successfully proven with your Patton record! Concerning 12:18: I think "Blues" doesn't pertain to the style of singing which was popularised by African-Americans, but rather to the dance of the same name. It is danced almost like an even slower waltz. (The description would fit the composition "Stormy Weather")
Yes indeed. The "Blues" comment was intended for the people who see the word "blues" on a label and put $20 (or more) on it without consideration of the type of music on the disc. : )
I collect those early vinyl dj copies. I bought out a whole radio station of these 15 years ago, was about 5k 78's all promos. they were on shelves in the vault and like new. was a once in a lifetime find. the sound quality these is amazing, was a wide variety of music to. good stuff to not any crap stuff
The comment above is quite correct! If you haven't played a vinyl 78, do yourself a favor. The audio quality is BETTER than that of 45's and LP's from the era. This is ESPECIALLY true if they are clean. That much groove and audio information going under the needle every second creates some amazing sound!
@@MarkAtnip In that collection to they had news and ads on those presto home made records to The station wasn’t in use anymore and the family sold it and I was fortunate enough to get them They were stored in the vault as the lady called if ;) Huge room with shelves of 78’s
Those instantaneous discs (Presto, etc...) often have commercials and recorded programming on them (when they come from radio stations). There is a good chance there are some unique recordings among them. See if you can identify any of the content and check if it has been preserved/archived.
after 30 years of collecting 78s i really don’t have the patience to dig through boxes anymore. I’ll pull a few things out to get the gist of what’s in the box, it’s usually just like what you showed, Pop and big band stinkers. However, if I pull out something that I collect I will usually go through the whole box.
Glad you aren't just tossing the rejects. I started out on mostly trash before I was a teenager. Now, almost 45, I am rather picky. I also love many of Fred Waring's early 30s records. Some of them are actually in "hi-fi." Victor phased this out because the high frequencies wore out too quickly. I also love early 40s Gene Krupa, especially with Anita O'Day. Killer drums, killer band. Also plenty of good sweet tunes from the band.
There were 1950's vintage promo 78's made of vinyl, but other of the records marked "unbreakable" are made of poly styrene. They will have a more traditional thickness with a square-cut edge. Mercury 78's were famous for this. If a 78 is made of vinyl, it will probably thinner and more flexible. The poly styrene 78's will be alot stiffer and will break if flexed too far.
Here in Scotland if you phone 78s in junk shops they were quite often Harry Lauder or Jimmy shand, it's interesting to see the differences from country to country
@@BlackPatti78s I saw that when I traveled all the Canadian provinces. I remember it being great In charity shops Canada for vinyl , cassettes and 78s. I remember tons of Lazer vision disks to which were never sold here. Think in Canada they were rental ones originally
Sambas - better if Brazilian recordings over American dance band collectors (Mambo's are another one, but jazz bands playing them are good). Thin RCA Vinyl - have a Hot Lips Page Let Me In - very cool Herbie Fields is ok, the Savoy's are better jazz. Cugat earlier Victor's are not bad, like the Congas, and if Miguleto Valdez is singing it is worth it. Too bad the swing bands are in poor shape. I still enjoy them, Kay Starr is one of the best of the 1945-55 era singers. I've been through this a hundred times myself - and yes this is a common batch of recordings. Rex Stewart Big 8 would be the one I would buy of all these. Finally - great information
The highlight of that box for me was Earl Bostic on King. He recorded some cool sides, "Cracked Ice" is one to keep your eyes open for if you like R&B sax records.
Hello, I’m new to records and learning a lot from your videos. Why are thin promos worth more than thick? Is dark red vinyl worth more? Looking forward to your next videos. Thank you!
The thin ones are a very quiet vinyl material that sounds great as compared to the thicker ones. As for the one that is dark red (which it clearly was) , I held it up to see if it was translucent dark red. (which it was not) That's what I meant to say.
A lot of people actually collect records by les brown, gene Krupa, and woody Hermann because of how important they were in developing bop and cool jazz. You just have to advertise them to people who collect vinyl not 78s
4:10 I didn’t even expect to just snap in half like that you just casually did it like it was nothing gave my quiet a shock if I was the one who got his record snapped in half like that it will take me sometimes to calm me down consider giving up and quitting my collection and throwing away all my 78 but you just sounded so casual about it
Ugh Ken Griffin and other organ music, polkas and waltzes, and the 1946-1953 period when big bands were running on fumes are the bane of my existence.😒 Country, BeBop, and R&B, Les and Mary, and Spike Jones are the good stuff that carried that time period until rock & Doowop tunes took over and made music fun again!
Greetings! Yes, a 3 mil will do the job. If the disc in question are the post-war repressings of pre-war material, they are going to sound GREAT! If they are original post war 78's, they might sound a little better with a slightly smaller stylus (2.5ish) but it isn't going to make that big of a difference to most ears. (just trying to be as thorough, as someone will point out that post-war grooves are often slightly smaller)
I once went through an entire wall of DJ copies and forties junk and found a damaged Monarch. Not worth it. Your only valuable record had a chip out of it. Do you shoot skeet? Red Columbias and Lombardo Deccas are perfect for that.
I have been through MANY walls of old radio station stuff; often in old radio stations. 8 hours of digging for a half dozen records. I still enjoy it. It's relaxing and the next record might be a great one, but there is no way to know unless you dig. (No I don't shoot skeet, but I am fairly certain that they would work as shingles if installed correctly). : )
"Listening to 78s is a gateway drug to listening to better 78s" - brilliant, story of my life! 🤣
Truer words have never been spoken!
😂😂😂 no lie 🤥🤥🤥
I've been a record collector for 50 years. Ended up with 7000. Equal numbers of LPs, 45s and 78s.
Time spent looking through records is never wasted. I always had about 30 or so songs or records that I was continously looking for. The real treasures were the ones I'd run across while searching for what I wanted. 😀
Even picking up a box of 78's that I don't think I will like can still provide enjoyment and some surprise additions the collection. I try not to judge people based on how they enjoy their collections, but our styles are very similar, so I think you are doing things the right way! : )
As a collector I usually looked past the “too bad a shape” records as well… that all changed when I got a wind-up. They can still perform decently on a mechanical reproducer, and I certainly don’t feed the good 78s to it!
If they’re cheap/free and the music’s actually good, I’ll gladly take a beater copy.
This is GREAT advice! I will mention it in a future video. I don't encourage the playing of high-grade discs on wind-up machines because experience and science both agree that it will damage them, however records that will sound rough on modern equipment can sound really good on a spring motor machine.
@@MarkAtnip Well of course they will, records of this time were for high society types and you would pay $1 for the record, play it a few times, then throw it in the bin. They were made to be disposable because that's the only way they knew how at the time, and what they knew was just you play it a few times until it's gone bad and that's just the way it was. That's why if you ever go bottle digging in old trash dumps in the woods you might come across many broken record shards.
Thank you for your excellent and most interesting video yes it is the excitement of the hunt that’s keeps us going . Although I do find as I get older all that crouching and kneeling down it takes one a while to be able to walk again some 20 minutes later cheers Carl .
Ross Bagdasarian (more commonly known as David Seville, creator of "The Witch Doctor" and subsequently "The Chipmunks"), made a screen appearance in 1954 with Alfred Hitchcock in "Rear Window". He portrayed the composer whose enchanting music saved "Miss Lonely Hearts" from committing suicide. It is said that Bagdasarian was fond of the "Gene Carroll Animal Records" and strived to mimic them. The Gene Carroll Animal Records usually had a dialogue between 2 or 3 animal characters and was followed by a pertinent song. In the late 1940's, Carroll used a technique in which the 10-inch master disc was cut at 45 RPM but was intended to be played back at 78 RPM, making the human voices sound like cartoon animals. The actors slowed down their speech during recording achieve the effect. Bagdasarian achieved his effects entirely on recording tape.
8:40 I'm 13 and i've been collecting 78s for about a year. Best life style ever.
🙂I'm 16 and I collect 45s🌷I get 45s at flea markets for 50 cents❤
I love the Arthur Murray record collections. And Xavier Cugat.
At 6:50, it is not Enrico Caruso, but an Irish famous tenor John McCormack.
Here I am, being a person who loves organ music and 1910s vocals (along with early jazz).
78s aligned with the heyday of pipe organs.
Other than a few scarcities by Ken Griffin (whom my Grandfather listened to frequently) the organ recordings are very cheap, as few people collect them. You should be able to put together a pretty good accumulation of them for pretty much nothing from Dance Band, Jazz and Blues collectors that don't want them!
@@MarkAtnip Yes, even the very rare records are monetarily worthless.
@@MarkAtnipMy mom worked in a restaurant where Ken Griffin played the organ. I posted her recollections of him on my Facebook page about two years ago. According to her, he was an ignorant womanizing low-life. But I have always liked his records, which brought bad memories to her when she heard me play them!
Looks like the assortments I've seen almost every time I've found any.
When i go to a record shop ( wich is not often ), i always go through this ' low - quality ', barn - find records. In Slovakia, where i live, i only found Supraphon label or Ultraphon label. Sometimes, i find some german or hungarian records. I would love to go to america and go though records like that there.
Good Lord - I never heard of 78-speed thin records. All of mine are heavy and bulky...but still sound great!
I’ve found some rare ones on 78
One of them is “Kim and Nyland - I will shout his praise in glory” on the Rainbow label. Nice songs
Well at least you didnt have to buy records that have the price sticker on the GROOVES
For me doing something like this - digging through "barn-find" 78s - is at least half of the charm of this hobby (the other half being playing them and discovering new songs or artists), because you never know what you're gonna find - as you've successfully proven with your Patton record!
Concerning 12:18: I think "Blues" doesn't pertain to the style of singing which was popularised by African-Americans, but rather to the dance of the same name. It is danced almost like an even slower waltz. (The description would fit the composition "Stormy Weather")
Yes indeed. The "Blues" comment was intended for the people who see the word "blues" on a label and put $20 (or more) on it without consideration of the type of music on the disc. : )
I collect those early vinyl dj copies. I bought out a whole radio station of these 15 years ago, was about 5k 78's all promos. they were on shelves in the vault and like new. was a once in a lifetime find. the sound quality these is amazing, was a wide variety of music to. good stuff to not any crap stuff
The comment above is quite correct! If you haven't played a vinyl 78, do yourself a favor. The audio quality is BETTER than that of 45's and LP's from the era. This is ESPECIALLY true if they are clean. That much groove and audio information going under the needle every second creates some amazing sound!
@@MarkAtnip
In that collection to they had news and ads on those presto home made records to
The station wasn’t in use anymore and the family sold it and I was fortunate enough to get them
They were stored in the vault as the lady called if ;)
Huge room with shelves of 78’s
Those instantaneous discs (Presto, etc...) often have commercials and recorded programming on them (when they come from radio stations). There is a good chance there are some unique recordings among them. See if you can identify any of the content and check if it has been preserved/archived.
14:41 you should have bought this, nat shilkret is a good composer and pretty rare since ive dug through records lots.
after 30 years of collecting 78s i really don’t have the patience to dig through boxes anymore. I’ll pull a few things out to get the gist of what’s in the box, it’s usually just like what you showed, Pop and big band stinkers. However, if I pull out something that I collect I will usually go through the whole box.
Glad you aren't just tossing the rejects. I started out on mostly trash before I was a teenager. Now, almost 45, I am rather picky. I also love many of Fred Waring's early 30s records. Some of them are actually in "hi-fi." Victor phased this out because the high frequencies wore out too quickly. I also love early 40s Gene Krupa, especially with Anita O'Day. Killer drums, killer band. Also plenty of good sweet tunes from the band.
There were 1950's vintage promo 78's made of vinyl, but other of the records marked "unbreakable" are made of poly styrene. They will have a more traditional thickness with a square-cut edge. Mercury 78's were famous for this. If a 78 is made of vinyl, it will probably thinner and more flexible. The poly styrene 78's will be alot stiffer and will break if flexed too far.
Here in Scotland if you phone 78s in junk shops they were quite often Harry Lauder or Jimmy shand, it's interesting to see the differences from country to country
I find tons of jimmy shand on Beltona here in Canada.
@@BlackPatti78s I saw that when I traveled all the Canadian provinces. I remember it being great In charity shops Canada for vinyl , cassettes and 78s. I remember tons of Lazer vision disks to which were never sold here. Think in Canada they were rental ones originally
Yeah same here in Canada. Probably because at one point half of Winnipeg was from Scotland
@@thedarkdescent2387 yes I love traveling sascatuan and Winnipeg both great provinces . Wish I was visiting u
Sambas - better if Brazilian recordings over American dance band collectors (Mambo's are another one, but jazz bands playing them are good).
Thin RCA Vinyl - have a Hot Lips Page Let Me In - very cool
Herbie Fields is ok, the Savoy's are better jazz.
Cugat earlier Victor's are not bad, like the Congas, and if Miguleto Valdez is singing it is worth it.
Too bad the swing bands are in poor shape. I still enjoy them, Kay Starr is one of the best of the 1945-55 era singers.
I've been through this a hundred times myself - and yes this is a common batch of recordings.
Rex Stewart Big 8 would be the one I would buy of all these.
Finally - great information
The highlight of that box for me was Earl Bostic on King. He recorded some cool sides, "Cracked Ice" is one to keep your eyes open for if you like R&B sax records.
I'd jump in the air to find such a box
Here in austria you just get march music and Schlager, I hate it
I know some people which would buy this Dodds even broken.
If they ever drive through Eastern TN, tell them to stop by and they can have it! : )
Of course the best records are broken. sad about that johnny dodds, would be the find of a lifetime here.
😂you broke that record funny🤭
Hello, I’m new to records and learning a lot from your videos.
Why are thin promos worth more than thick? Is dark red vinyl worth more? Looking forward to your next videos. Thank you!
The thin ones are a very quiet vinyl material that sounds great as compared to the thicker ones. As for the one that is dark red (which it clearly was) , I held it up to see if it was translucent dark red. (which it was not) That's what I meant to say.
I've never seen vinyl 78s , not sure they were available here in uk
A lot of people actually collect records by les brown, gene Krupa, and woody Hermann because of how important they were in developing bop and cool jazz. You just have to advertise them to people who collect vinyl not 78s
4:10 I didn’t even expect to just snap in half like that you just casually did it like it was nothing gave my quiet a shock if I was the one who got his record snapped in half like that it will take me sometimes to calm me down consider giving up and quitting my collection and throwing away all my 78 but you just sounded so casual about it
Did you not see?? It was already broke in half
@@Gorescripter I’m saying the way he casually broke the record like he saw it was crakes and juts went whit it instead of just throwing it aside
@@theforgottenone687 That record was a goner already.
Ugh Ken Griffin and other organ music, polkas and waltzes, and the 1946-1953 period when big bands were running on fumes are the bane of my existence.😒 Country, BeBop, and R&B, Les and Mary, and Spike Jones are the good stuff that carried that time period until rock & Doowop tunes took over and made music fun again!
I have been meaning to ask an expert is the 3 mill stylus still the appropriate stylus for vinyl and Styrene 78RPM press
Greetings! Yes, a 3 mil will do the job. If the disc in question are the post-war repressings of pre-war material, they are going to sound GREAT! If they are original post war 78's, they might sound a little better with a slightly smaller stylus (2.5ish) but it isn't going to make that big of a difference to most ears. (just trying to be as thorough, as someone will point out that post-war grooves are often slightly smaller)
I have a question, are sample copies actually worth? Because I see alot of them
I once went through an entire wall of DJ copies and forties junk and found a damaged Monarch. Not worth it. Your only valuable record had a chip out of it. Do you shoot skeet? Red Columbias and Lombardo Deccas are perfect for that.
I have been through MANY walls of old radio station stuff; often in old radio stations. 8 hours of digging for a half dozen records. I still enjoy it. It's relaxing and the next record might be a great one, but there is no way to know unless you dig.
(No I don't shoot skeet, but I am fairly certain that they would work as shingles if installed correctly).
: )
@@MarkAtnip Growing up in Montana I saw them used as insulation.
I don't like stickers on 45s either💔😥
You would not want to live in NZ. This type of music is basically all you find, except remove the jazz.
I have heard that NZ is beautiful. Of course I would have to bring my own records along if there aren't any good ones hiding in barns : )
How many records do you have
Warrings Pennsylvanians are great
245 tips, hmm.
Abadaba honeymoon terrible record.
YES IT IS! lol