Ukraine Considers Recruiting Convicts To Fight Russia
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2024
- Ukraine is considering recruiting convicts and sending them to fight Russia to compensate for shortages in manpower -- but which types of convicts are suitable is still up for debate. One Ukrainian drug smuggler says he'd rather be in the army than in jail. The Justice Ministry says Ukraine is not forming anything like Wagner, the Russian mercenary group notorious for enlisting rapists and murderers.
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46k is a huge recruitment pool. I think it will pass. Ukraine is in desperate need of soldiers.
Get the 600k cowards hiding in EU only. Its unbrlievable, here they cruise around in their m3 bmw ,collecting social aid.
I agree with @cherchezlesoir7166.
We have many of them in Sweden. Living on social welfare. Men of fighting age. I dont think they should get free money, free housing, free food, free clothes. I think they should go back to their own country and fight in their own war.
The same goes for all the other economic migrants in Europe.
They are mostly men and they should go back to Africa and the Middle East because since they came here, at least Sweden where I live, they have committed so much crime against the indigenous population. Especially ruthless s3x crimes. I'm a victim of one such crime and I think if you really are a refugee from war, you should not abuse the people in your new country.
The Ukranian women and children are real refugees but they are also something Sweden can't really afford anymore, since we have so many people from the middle East and Africa here already. They need to go home after the war.
The others that came before, they also need to leave. Our country has been ruined by our corrupt politicians that did this.
Other countries like Japan and South Korea, are not called racist because they don't allow migrants to come to them. But Europe is?
Ruzzia has been recruiting jailbirds since the war's beginning, and they're managing somehow
They are also in desperate need for the EU and US to get their political differences in order to fight the one enemy they all swore to for decades
@@cherchezlesoir7166Oh shut up your the coward you say from your house go to the Ukrainian meat grinder and because they don’t you call them cowards shameless behavior how about you go then shameless coward you can go but don’t and somehow they are the cowards ridiculous
Served with minor criminals in the US navy who were given the choice of service or prison time. They did fine or they got to serve time in the brig. NBD.
If someone is in prison to protect society, then they need to stay there. But if someone is 'paying their debt to society', perhaps they can repay that debt by defending the society they have harmed.
But what if society was cruel to them that made them hurt society.
@@vernusred4757 So you're one of those that think criminals are "victims of society".
It's a fine line for sure. Giving violent criminals weapons would be stupid but in cases like the drunk driver for example it might make sense. The question is if you could trust the drug dealer to actually fight and not desert as soon as he gets out of prison?
Only if it's voluntary. I would be really upset if I got sent to the front for driving drunk.
@@Bajso84 Yes, it should be given as an option of course
@@Bajso84 Conscription isn't voluntary. If you're military aged male and healthy, why you should be protected from serving while milions of law abidding male citizens get conscripted?
@@Bajso84 The country is being invaded, they really don't have a ton of choice right now.
blocking detachments
Not a bad idea for Ukraine, and a good deal for interested convicts.
Bruh those comments were mocking russians with their prisoners conviction and now they just "not a bad idea,thats a good deal"
Instead of fighting, the convicts could do a lot of other helpfull tasks to help the army out.
Like smuggling arms, stealing soldier’s salaries, oh wait, that task is already covered by the Ukrainian commanders.
@@UA-cam_Enjoyerlol projection
@@foodistzenwhere is the combined 200 billion sent by EU and US
@@foodistzenA Ukrainian higher up was reported selling western tanks on black market
All that money doesn't go directly to USA. Do you think uncke Sam is stupid!? They give weapons that are in stock and write their value as amount given. Then they need to refill that ammo dump thus they spend the money allocated in Congress matching each weapon given by buying from US companies. Thus 85% of the money (as per related docs show and even said in tv) stays in USA !!!! The 15% that goes are spent in ua buying weapons directly and financing theyr gov expenses (that include soldiers salaries) and also corruption. So USA shows that helps but almost everything stays in USA and US Army have new weapons with no extra cost!!!! Win win r@@AbuHajarAlBugatti
"we are not forming wagner here"
you did not need to say that
Nope, all you had to do was Google Andriy Biletsky. And watch MSM coverage of them from 2014.
As long as the type of crime is limited, it could be offered as a slightly earlier-than-usual parole for those criminals who do not require that the public be protected from them.
Zalushny didn't want that convicts join the Army. From his point of view, defending the motherland was an honor. But for now, difficult times dictate difficult and different decision.
When you attack, it's a scummy thing to do, but if you are defending, then anything is viable vs the other outcome.
In other words, "its okay when we doing it"
@@Ocelot835 No, you did not get what I was saying. If any country attacks another, it is the instigator. It was their idea to do it; therefore, they should be the ones prepared and have troops. For the attacking army to turn to criminals shows how low they will go/how many they have lost/they want to hide troop death figures from the public by using men "off the books."
For defenders, it's a different thing. They did not choose it, and they are not prepared for it (most of the time), so if they have to turn to other means, it is way more acceptable for them to do so because if they don't, they could lose everything, whereas the attacks can simply turn around and go home...... Although there are a lot of Russians who can never do that. They have literally become part of Ukraine.
Give up kid. Russian bear is not going to stop. Love from India.@@mrmrgaming
@@lol311@lol311 Actually, that's more of a reflection on Putin than anything else. He will get what he wants, and he does not care how many of his own men have to die to get it done....nice. Oh, and maybe you know? But a fair few men from India are dying there as well.
@lol311
You seem to be happy at what Russia is doing. I dont think you would like it if China did the same thing to you no would you?
I think you are the kid here. At least you sound very immature. How did your comment even contribute to the discussion?
What about petty crimes. Small crimes been committed.
Would the government considered this convict to serves? Serious crimes should stay in jail for good.
Rubbish! Decent people are defending their country against invasion. So why shouldn’t convicts. Decent people are dying, so why shouldn’t convicts. All this for a noble purpose.
Im sure convicts who have couple years to do will no go risk their life
@@user-bi4nm5zp7f They had no other choice in terrorist russia.
@@gr83172 you need to snap out of your dream m8
@@user-bi4nm5zp7f And land in your country of lies, fake, corruption, hate, poison, and terrorism!
No, thank you. I adore FREEDOM. (Look up that word in your dictionary.)
F I N A L L Y! ! !
Yes 👍
And why not if it is done responsibly? I know that the USA and UK have a long history of this and I suspect that every European country has as well. 🇺🇦🇬🇧
A substantial part of Nelson's Navy (UK early 1800s) was crewed by men released from prison to do so.
I bet you were one who bashed the Russians for doing this, now you contradict yourself?!😂
They could use convicts they are not dangerous, and would get freedom after the war.🇺🇦
Well fuck, they need it. Ukraine is on thin ice regarding manpower.
Sounds like a really bad idea, at least for those convicted of serious bodily crime. Sex offenders would also be a REALLY bad idea. White collar crime and that sort, why not. I don't think they are going to be writing a lot of checks at the front.
Why not?
Russia did this a long time ago!!!
and they were critized for it, what's your point now?
@@sequenceofficial6141since Russia is the oppressor, the ones who started it all, I would not mind at all!
Ukraine has Every right to defend themselves.....
It's a good idea!!
Ukraine is in desperate need of manpower. either do this or national conscription
Any Ukrainian who hasn't volunteered for the frontlines in a coward
Both of my grandfathers volunteered to fight in WW2 and they were fighting to free Europe, not ever their own countries, England and Ireland.
Ukraine needs to get serious to they'll lose
you have no idea what you're talking about, you're totally detached from reality, living in your bubble ...
What division of the Army do you belong to?
@@jotr.9786 he's just a kid he doesn't know any better
The drug smuggler, maybe, but not those convicted of a deliberate murder, pedophile or dangerous abuser.
Some hardened criminals released back to Russia went home to commit awful atrocities.
Conditions in a tough Russian penal colony, then a bloody war....add alcohol, then emerging back on the streets with zero rehabilitation, is a formula for possible disaster.
Igor Sofonov, 37, imprisoned on drug charges, fought in Ukraine, only to return to Russia and alongside another ex convict, stabbed 6 people to death and set the victims' house ablaze. 😳
Example of not deliberate crime and then "why keep him in prison when he wants to rehabilitate himself?" well then why keep him in prison for so long in the first place?. Maybe should have thought about that first.
Wagner: well well well
Ghost of Prigozhin wants Ukraine to win this war. His spirit will do his best. GOD bless Ukraine. Amen.
Yeah...
Get lensky to the front line hes the biggest criminal
NO Putin's the biggest criminal! Even tho he's a little man😊and a coward too 🤮
I believe the purpose of the government
In Muscovia recruiting criminals to "army" happens all the time. Ukraine considers it.
BULLSHAIT
My guess is half Ukraine's prison population will qualify,, These 20k offenders might have landed on hard times and karma caught up w them,, They are NOT career criminals. I'd say give them a opportunity, Thing is, they have to be watched carefully, any signs of mis behavior/lying ,,, back to the slammer, Attitude is everything,, as i say they have to be obsrerved very carefully, any sign of dishonesty, back they go to the slammer. Career criminals might not work out, If they can prove faithful on the field, at the end of 1 yr they should be given a option, stay and fight or back back home and work in support of the war. Food prep, mechanic work, delivery driver etc etc etc. There are a million jobs behind the fronts. They need to wear a ankle monitor for some months.
When the Russians did this the world was outraged . Now Ukraine is doing the same and it is a good idea ! Anyhow it makes sense economicaly
No Gang Members.
No Murders.
No Sexual Offenders.
No Traitors.
Only those who would benefit from limited freedom to improve their chances rehabilitation.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
🇺🇲♥️🇺🇦
Maybe also no zelensky bloody corruption depends from endless war like putin.People with epilepsy and diabetes dying on front. It's same mordor like in russia. Only greedy corrupters which abolish human rights for common people.
Questions about loyalty arise
Wasn’t that the problem with the orcs? I am sure this can be tackled.
@@gr83172 Mordor got different values, they send forth orcs at gunpoint.
I am sure Ukraine convicts have family in Ukraine, they want to protect from the Russians. Although the type of crime should be considered such as no rape and murder should not be considered.
Ukraine pretty much copies whatever Russia does. I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
Ouch
Imagine murder, rapists given guns and freedom.
Is 46k enough for a second counteroffensive ?
Maybe not, but combined with conscription and troop rotation, it adds up.
Do it guys. It's tested already and it was successful. You have resources...
That's a big amount of people but I wonder how many of them you can actually trust with a weapon, or back in society if we're talking about serious offenders.
They don't want criminals to go to war and ... to kill people? What are the soldiers doing with the enemy, playing chess?
1:01 Lmao this lady is delusional. Tornado battalion commander was set free from the jail to fight in the war for Ukkkraine, and he was convicted child molester.
You'll get a F tier army of deserters and unmotivated "criminals"
I'd be careful due to the fact it would be easier for them to defect.
After that, then what?
Then, we’ll see. First and now they must help society.
Bad idea in the case of violent convicts.
omf im tryn to unmute it in the scrool but it keeps clicking the video👎
Brilliant idea, many are in prison for accidents or drunk behavior that they would never normally do, those crimes are not intentional
Even some premeditated criminals should not be excluded from this programme IMHO. White collar criminals whose crime is of a financial matter for instance. 🇺🇦🇬🇧
Weird
why recruit prisoners when you can recruit me heres the problem i don't have money to go to ukraine
If you can’t figure out how to get a job, how will you figure out what to do when you’re on the battlefield. You’ll get people killed if you go over there.
It's a good idea
Очищение мусора из общества. 👍🏻
Ncoo they dont have soldier now
Someone’s gotta use up that 60bn$ worth of arms eh
A person who betrays the Public Trust and harm’s the well-being of Society is a gamble. However, the stat’s oftentimes indicate that if inmates are properly committed to rehabilitation and returning to society and becoming a better person in the process are 40% improved, 60% become repeated offenders aka career criminals. I don’t know the criteria that Ukraine would use to determine who is eligible and who wouldn’t fit the bill…
In Ukraine forming same dictatorship regime like in russia with corruption which depends from endless war.
Appalling
Thought they did this early on.
The moment that dude is out of prison and into a military van he’ll look for a way to escape out of Ukraine. I’m not buying his b s
Lol I lost it at $ex offenders 😂🎉
Olena Vysotska is a disgustin Politician. The way she talked about conscripting your men nearly boys in the past is disgusting
Russians aren’t liking this. This shows it is damaging to them. Do the opposite of what they are suggesting here.
As far as I know, most of the world conscripts at 18, and the worse of the left overs at any age they can get. NOT conscripting from that age, when you are fighting for your very existence, especially, and Ukraine is, is planned suicide.
Lol
I have met the kids of Ukrainians deputies and businessmen in Bavaria..They told me that they like their country but they prefer watching this mess from Germany..luxury apartments,sports cars,expensive watches..Yes Man !!! Life is unfair..!!!
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A drug smuggler is the kind of mind you want.....he knows how to get in difficult places and work around situations
Consider though that those difficult places might be the UAF's supply warehouses, and those situations might be smuggling equipment out to sell on the black-market.
@@ch.kv. that's the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
@@ch.kv. there'd be specific jobs and places someone like that would be put... He's not going to just walk out with an atacms
@@ch.kv. but he could be used in intelligence to get explosives into russia
@@ch.kv. use your head
Wow, let's act like Ukraine wasn't doing this since 2014.
So, if it was doing it, it is a good idea to continue doing it! Thanks for the suggestion, Ivan.
Yeah Ivan!!!!👎
@@gr83172 you're welcome Stepan
The dirty dozen lol.
Isn't this what we were hating on Russia for
They already did it. Tornado batallion convicts for example
What happened to ukrainian elections? Oh they are democratically banned by zelensky
Russia are the invaders of a much smaller country. They have no choice. So stop sitting at your high horse and judging like you are watching a movie!
This is real life and Ukraine needs to defend themselves in any way possible!!!
They already do it for very long time
This is a bad idea, full stop. Who is to guarantee the convicts would not resort back to the old behavior that landed them in prison or, worse, new behavior from surviving the frontlines. The prisoners that Russia conscripted proved they'll resort back to old habits with bloody results in civilian life. I know that Russia is a bad example, but how is Ukraine resorting to the same thing not going to reach the same outcome?
Russians are here trying desperately for this motion NOT TO pass. Don’t let them influence even in this. Let only Ukrainians decide their fate.
From laughing at Russian to "it's ok " when Ukraine doing this.
Ahahahah liberals))
So if russia does it: bad.
If ukraine does it: great.
Lmao ukraine is done and this just shows it
Are you really "LMAO" laughing your ass off, because Ukraine has been invaded by Russia, its land taken and its people killed??
What's wrong with you?
Slava Wagner! 🇨🇦❤🇷🇺
Go and live there then! Traitor👎👎
So, this time around, and because it's Ukraine, makes it ok...?
couple inmates are not gonna change the course of war
But it will help
Pretty sure there are more than two, though.
Penal Battalion vibes
Didn't we laugh at Russia for doing this?
Ukraine is not considering recruiting criminals that committed violent crimes or r@pe like Russia did. Not the same thing.
yeah cause the "second strongest army in the world" performed so poorly they had to start doing it 3 months into the invasion
There is a major difference between doing whatever is necessary to defend your own national sovereignty versus selling all morality in the hopes of achieving victory in an unjust and fratricidal war. Poland stands with Ukraine.
western hypocrite..
@@Ganglo-Saxonwell you guys fight 1 country with old t72 with old akm named iraq with 30 countries so...
Once they made Fun of Russian convicts then they copy
Once they made fun of the Soroviken line .another copy 😂😂😂😂
Bro stopp
It isn't new. Ukraine began to do it before Russia. And of course not only drunk drivers and drug dealers are fighting.
The ua regime is afraid of their jailbirds...
Ukrainian frustration.😂😂😂😂😂
Says the dirty African who thinks he’s a Russian hahahahahah
Kyiv in 3 days! 😂
@@FishandHunt Donbas in 48 hours in 2014 said Ukrops
3 days quotes Douglas McGregor, US Army General, retard
Russia is frustrated since 1.5years now. They already did it at the start
Kyiv is not like Russia! And Wagner
Ukraine can do no wrong in the eyes of the world
Thank god there are normal people on this world. Imagine all off us brainless like russians
Being better than Russia is a pretty low bar to clear.
Take it from a Pole, Ukrainians are very much capable of wrong just like any other people, but Ukraine acts entirely just in their defense against Russia’s cruel invasion. Many people, perhaps not your delusional self, recognize the difference in a conflict between the aggressor and the victim, and rightfully so they get judged through this lens.
@@Konrad9119konrad is a german name
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Yeah, it is. I’m half German/half Polish. Konrad happens to be a name of both Polish and German origin. Konrad I of Masovia from the noble dynasty of Piast is even the Polish king most known for inviting the Teutonic Knights to Prussia, a decision that would come to be regretted later. It is also the name of many famous German kings and even Teutonic knights as well including the Grand Master Konrad von Jungingen, who led the Teutonic knights to their greatest territorial extent, and of course Konrad von Wallenrode, the man who inspired the Polish poem, Konrad Wallenrod, a poem in which a man who rose to grand master of the Teutonic knights deliberately and vengefully leads his knights to defeat. I am also well aware of the German Konradiner dynasty of which the Salian dynasty was a cadet branch of.
What makes this very hilarious is Ukraine is always trying to show it’s not like Russia but acts in a prime Russian way.
They are even worse, come to think of it.
It's a sad day when people can't tell the bots from the morons anymore.
ah yes defending your country by any means necessary is exactly what Russia is doing
@@Ganglo-Saxon Uh, no. Russia is attacking other countries for their own Imperialistic reasons. That's not *defending* Russia, it's wanton murder.
@@maxmustermann1906 cry about it
@@Ganglo-Saxon
Nice democracy lmao. Meanwhile elections are banned in ukraine. Lets just waste all men in ukraine then the migrants males from middle east can all settle there
It's time to accept that Russia has won, make a deal and celebrate the fact that Russia isn't demanding Kiev itself as part of the peace negotiations.
Vidi se da sve ide po planu😂
Let them prove their loyalty to Mother Russia