Roland F140R: Pros and Cons Before Buying This Dreamy White Piano
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Here I discuss the pros and cons of Roland's F140R keyboard, after a few months of using it. Listen to my music: www.smarturl.it/kashka_all Join our community: / katburns Take a look at this keyboard: geni.us/rolandf140r
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I love REAL reviews... refreshing after watching the tons of piano store videos that do nothing but praise the instruments.
I am glad you liked the review! I also love honest reviews and that means not everything is perfect. Thanks for watching.
+1 Those endless marketingy reviews where everything is equally shiny and awesome from €200 to €6k make it impossible to chose online.
Oh I know! They really get you eh?
Does it have an applause button? I like positive feedback after I play a piece. This would be both a pro and a con.
😂✨
I loooove your channel, been watching a lot of your videos tonight! I just love your personality
Aw thanks girl! That means a lot 😘
This is on my shortlist, its been a while but this is very useful. Thank you.
Glad to help. Thanks for watching :)
Shopping for a keyboard and this is one I'm considering. Thank you for your review. An honest review that I will take into consideration when comparing to the other keyboards I've seen.
Glad it helped Louie!
Thanks for the review, down to earth talk is what I like the most.
thank you kindly for watching. Glad it helped. I have an updated video as well that I posted a could days ago if you need more direction with some of the features. Happy new year :)
Thanks to your video, i've now decided this piano is the one for me to purchase too :-)
Can't wait to get back into it after nearly 20 years.
congrats! What a wonderful thing to return to. Best of luck :)
Just got this. The split function can be used in many ways; the main thing you want to do is hold the split button, then you can 1. decide where to split (press the key while holding split) 2. change the relative volume (use the volume buttons while holding split to either get the lower or upper part to play higher/lower) 3. change the sound of the lower part (the upper part is always your main, and the lower can be changed by choosing either "Piano" or "Other" and then cycling through just like your usually would, again, while holding split). Hope that helps!
Thanks! I am filming an update video soon - since filming I’ve learned a lot more about it!
Thank you so much, this was a really helpful breakdown! I am filming an updated piano video and I will thank you. Appreciate it!
Hi Kat, i chose this one, options was yamaha ydp-144, and roland f 140r. Roland sounds much open and brighter for me.
Awesome and congrats on the new piano!
I bought this piano and I found out how to change the split, you hold the split key down and while you are you can push any key on the piano and that’s where the split starts so if you hold down split and hit C4 then it splits from C4 and down and while you’re holding the split key if you click the minus and plus buttons that you would normally press to change the sound then you change the sound of the split if you dont hold split and change the sound it changed the sound of the top half of the keyboard, hope this helps anyone who has this keyboard
@@gamblerino8983 Ye but I have a table stand next to my piano so that works and the pedals are fine for me as I am a beginner my knee does bump onto the back of the piano sometimes and I'm not that tall
Such a fabulous review!! Many thanks... :)
You’re welcome! Hope it helps you
Thank you for video. Came here after I saw someone comment on Reddit about this piano.
thanks for stopping by! Hope the video helped :)
Love the sound ...thank you Kat.....shame always wanted the split Ray Manzarek sound
Yeah me too...!
Thank you for this wonderful review. Thanks for reminding us about the pros. just bought one this week. im not pro, but my left (soft) pedal does work, mutes the sound a little bit, but is very subtle, you need to sharpen your ears. as well as the sustain pedal. Haven't figured out the middle one. In terms of the split system, I think I saw something in the user manual (quite bulky), which i might go through later on. The functions seem to be very basic and simple, but I believe are quite advanced in terms of technology.
I think the left pedal controls the iPad if you have it hooked up, that’s what I’ve learned :) I am filming an update next week!
@@KatBurnsKASHKA thanks for the reply Kat. I actually haven't thought about using it that way. I know it can work that way too. But after I left this comment, I checked them further. Now all three are working for me. The left one subtly mutes the piano (not sure about the other tones.) The middle one , I spent awhile on (obsessively lols), is a kind of selective sustaining, I would call it. You can select which note to sustain, by pushing the pedal *after you play the note* to keep it sustained (sort of cutting halfway through the note, it will sustain after you leave that key.) The notes that are played *after the pedal* won't be sustained. Sorry about the long explanation. Look forward to your new discoveries in the video. Just tag me. or I will check it anyway.
hi, i love and like the old sound on this piano, i don't have the piano myself , but i just hear the old sound when you played it, very nice.
yes it's pretty great sounding!
Kate, I own the same Roland F-140R, in order to change the sounds in the lower of the split keyboard, change the rhythm, it will give you different instruments to accompany, remember you do not have to turn on the auto rhythm, just change the rhythm to your liking. Hope this helps.
thanks Robert, I will give it a go!
According to the user manual, the other two pedals control the page turning bluetooth feature. Bluetooth can also be used to transmit MIDI signals to connected devices with a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation). I have no clue what the latency is like on it though. Would be cool to see a review which utilises all those extra functions. Thanks for this review though. It was the deciding factor for us to buy this model.
thanks!
Hello Kat,
Thank you for your helpful review. I'm going to be purchasing my first digital piano soon (upgrading from keyboard playing), and I'm considering either the Kawai KDP110 or the Roland F140-R. I'll be in contact with the sales rep very soon to ask some further questions regarding the two, however they both seem like exceptional instruments for their price points.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts - much appreciated! 😊
Congrats! You’ll love a weighted full size piano either way I just know it. All the best!
Update: In the end I decided on the Roland (in black) and I'm not disappointed! It's a beautifully built instrument and it sounds and feels fantastic. It's perfect for my needs.
Thank you so much again!
😊👍
Fantastic and congrats!
Hello, i just have a problem with this piano, i cant put my headphones ? Where i can put it on the piano ?? Thanks
I wanna buy a piano to have in my small flat. That's how I end up here. Thanks for the video!
You’re welcome! Good luck with your new piano 😅
Are the dynamics so different between this one and Korg C1 AIR?
great review
thank you Luan!
Re split: If you use the PianoPartner 2 app you can set the split point and choose your left and right voices under Remote Controller/Keyboard and Tones/Split. I have the RP102 but I would assume this functionality would also work on the F-140R since it is the next model up from the RP102.
Thanks I’ll check it out!
Does anybody know if it is possible to let the left hand side notes play much longer? I ask because I am disabled on my right side, especially on my right hand and fingers.
I have a F-140R and I love the piano as an instrument and I love when chords are played with the melody. That feels whole and deep. When only playing the melody though it feels incomplete for me though and I feel frustrated not being able to play the chords and melody at the same time. I would love to play everything with one hand. First playing the chords which would need to sustain a while while playing the melody.
I searched the web for a solution, but I didn't find any. When using Split mode it only sustains the right hand part, when using the pedal. With Dual Mode I don't know in which way to use it to replicate chords and melody at the same time.
Does anybody know a solution? That would be really great.
Thank you.
I tried this out in a shop and figured how to change the split sounds on both sides and you split anywhere.
thank you I'll try to figure
that out
Left pedal is soft pedal (una corda) making the sound less loud and or softer. Middle pedal is sostenuto, it sustains only those notes that are being held down when the pedal is depressed. So if you use it while holding down a few keys, only those keys will have their dampers released (like a limited sustain pedal) until you release the pedal again. Other notes remain unaffected.
Thank you! I recently posted an updated video which further explains the pedals. 🙏
Thanks for the heads up, Kat. The rattling sound might be a deal breaker for me. I wonder if there's a way to work around..
Btw, great channel :)
thanks Nathan! I think the only workaround would be to remove the cover - which you probably could? I haven't tried yet. I'll keep you posted if I find anything else.
@@KatBurnsKASHKA aham...I see it might be challenging.. Thanks again.
Cheers :))
Hi Kat, thanks for the review. I also recently got this piano and I like everything about it except the notes about E through A just below middle-C, especially F through Ab. They just sound like a different instrument with no nuance compared to the other notes to me. Do they sound fine to you?
And I’m sure you covered this in your follow-up video, but the mobile app can definitely change the left side instrument on a split. And the pedals are for soft and a weird kind of sustain that isn’t very useful for most songs. And the soft isn’t really needed since you can, you know, just turn the volume down. Thanks again!
interesting, I will have to take a detailed listen to those notes!
My dad just ordered me one. Finally got a keyboard at his house
That’s great!
Hello, nice to meet you. In answer to your question, I am here because I am trying to chose between a Korg C1 piano and the F140. Have a nice day.
Hi. How do you record with your digital piano?. I also have this one and I use garageband with the USB cable, but it feels like im recording with a cell phone; a lot of bass quality is lost. I don’t know if this has to do with the equalizer
Hi Leonardo! Yes, it will only be a midi controller so it depends on what sound library/bank you are using. I find it sounds decent with some of the Logic piano sounds but not sure about Garageband. It's too bad there isn't also an audio out to get both midi and the piano itself. In the past I have actually put a microphone by the speaker of my piano as well as recording it in midi and mixed the two to get a bit better sound. Hope that helps?
Update: That was great, thank you so much.
Hi, I have the same Roland but in black, no rattle issues and I love it... the only issue I had was the 6 month wait after paying for it... also agree with the middle peddle does it work???
Wow that’s a long wait! Middle pedal works but it’s used for Bluetooth feature
Hi, I want to ask if the f140R has the half pedalling? I am interested in buying this piano because of the touching and the sound. However, when I asked a staff in the store and he told me this piano does not come with this function. And when I played it in the store, it seems it does not have this function
hi! I will have to take a look about that, from what i can tell it doesn't really do half pedalling.
Hi. Have you had problems when playing loud and the sounds cuts off with certain voices and rhythms?
hi! No, I have not noticed this problem. I rarely turn it up past 30 though.
this particular model is the best among Roland low price models. I can say it with the conviction that it thousand times exceeds Roland RP series with its naturality. congrats you got wonderful keyboard chosen
Thank you! I love it muchly.
Great review! pretty interesting. Can't believe they force the jazzy bass as the secondary sound bank, there must be a way to change it I imagine! Else how weird that the engineers who made it thought it would be the only sound someone would need for the left-hand octave.
yeah there's got to be a work around...it almost seems like a joke hah!
@@KatBurnsKASHKA by the way, your vocals always sound amazing! do you have a video on how you record and mix them?
I just watched a video of this model in the costco website. You can chance the settings with a phone or tablet.
Yes! I am filming and updated video soon with all the new things I’ve learned
Kat - regarding the rattling soudn: have you isolated the sound to the hinges? If so, piano repair people use linseed oil in the hinges to get rid of it.
yes I am thinking that might work, but I can't seem to pinpoint it exactly. i will try!
I ended up on this video because I'm shopping for my first piano...just started playing a week ago :)
I'm torn between a keyboard which is more portable like the Roland FP-30 or Yamaha or P-125...or if I should invest a bit more and get an upright piano like this Roland F140 or Roland HP702.
It depends what you need it for I guess! I have other keyboards for live performances. This baby just stays home :)
@@KatBurnsKASHKA Yeah that's true. I was leaning towards FP-30 at first but after thinking about it, I don't think I'd really need to bring it anywhere...but still nice to have that option. Might have to go for the F-140 :D
Kat Burns I ended up getting the F140 in black :) i do notice the rattling on the lower notes though. Any tips on trying to reduce it?
Looking for a digital piano for me and my kid (4 years old) to learn classical piano music. Do you recommend me this piano?
I have really enjoyed this piano! It’s a great piano for learning on because of the weighted keys in the actual length of a real piano, but it’s nice because it’s a bit more small to fit in apartments etc. I hope your kid loves music!
Well, from what i've heard, left pedal can be used to turn pages on the device u use via bluetooth.. also this digital piano is my dream and i think im gonna buy it
oh that's really good to know! I don't use page turning apps so I am not super familiar with all the ins and outs. It's my dream piano too, and I love it.
@@KatBurnsKASHKA yeah, i also don't think I'll ever connect anything using bluetooth anyway. And thank you, guess i finally decided to get it 100% as soon as possible.
Congrats! Enjoy it :)
Hi Kat! FYI, the other two pedal works 🙂 I think you need to change the settings for the pedal behaivor. The pedal can also be used as next and previous when you readning notes on your iPad etc. So my tips to you, check your settings.
PS. I also have this Piano, a great slim piano 👍
Ah yes I knew they did stuff for page turning but I wish they affected the sound like a real piano pedals. Thanks for the reply!
@@KatBurnsKASHKA They do work with the right settings, in other words, they will act like a real piano 🙂👍
Oh okay! I will investigate more. I’ve learned a lot since this video so I’ll update and thank you so much for your help!
@@KatBurnsKASHKA you're welcome 🙂
The other pedals actually work, coming from someone who has had a F-120 for more than 6 years. The middle one only acts as a practice pedal in upright pianos. In grands it's a sostenuto pedal, which only sustains the noted depressed when you push down the pedal. The left one is a soft pedal, if is really gentle but you can notice it when you're using it or not
thanks Francisco!
Hi Kat. I'm thinking of buying this piano for use at a school. It needs to compete with a baby grand for 2 piano arrangements of concertos. Also we need it for transposing voice music for exams. Would it manage?
Hi Andrew - I think it could manage but it depends on the room and how loud you need things, the player, etc. It does get quite loud but I've never compared it to a baby grand in the room. Maybe it's worth popping by a music store and seeing if they have the F140 and a baby grand in the same room to get a volume comparison?
@@KatBurnsKASHKA Good idea. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply!
My pleasure! Good luck ✨
Thank you!
You are so welcome 🙌
Hi I was wondering how/why you don't use sheet music?
Hey Simon! I use music books when I teach, and sometimes I play pieces from my dads old piano books, but for my personal playing I go by feel and generally write it out in more of a chart style. This is because I’m not strong at quickly reading/writing sheet music, so it’s faster for me to chart it like guitar. If I do notate, I play the midi into Logic. Just personal preference ✨
I think you are mistaken about the pedals.
The middle pedal for this piano works as a sostenuto and not as a practice pedal.
left pedal/uno corda(one string) makes it sound as if one string is vibrating instead 3/2 strings. not softer.
;)
thanks!
Tea coffee or candle on any digital piano is a recipe for disaster. 😎
Or good ✨vibes ✨
Thank you.
you're welcome!
Please can anyone tell me how to play with headphones? I've got small standard headphones, not the big ones. But even if I connect them in the input behind the piano, nothing happens. The sound keeps coming out of the piano.
If you have the standard 1mm headphones you should be able to use them. Let me take a look shortly and see if I can help you
@@KatBurnsKASHKA Thank you so much!
@@KatBurnsKASHKA Sorry, I've just found out that the headphones input is in the bottom panel. I was trying to plug them in the back of the piano. That's why they didn't work 😂 Thanks a lot for your availability!
Ahh! Ok, yes I thought maybe you did that. The back is for aux output. Glad you found the headphones! Now go play and enjoy it :)
The rattling is what turned me off from this piano, i love the white color and the overall aesthetics , not forgetting the amazing sound but the rattling was a large con for me since i play a lot of left hand etudes and that cranked the rattling to 11 every practice session. So i returned the piano and got the kawai kdp110r, its not as feature packed as the roland but the sound is much better due to more powerful speakers and the feel when playing is on par with the roland so im happy with my switch. Doesn't look as sleek as the roland and its a bit bigger but i like it. Thx for the video, thought it was only me with the rattling issue.
oh very good to know this. I thought it was only me with the rattling issue too! Glad you found a solution.
Hey Sid did the rattling in yours sound like that :
ua-cam.com/video/AWJEqbs0EXA/v-deo.html ?
Where do you put the music sheet on?
It leans on the cover when it’s propped up. You can see that in the video I just didn’t show any sheet music. :-) Hope that helps!
@@KatBurnsKASHKA Thanks! I ended up buying another Roland with a seethrough stand. I love its sound. :) My 2nd Roland piano, and I love it!
Very cool! Enjoy it 🥰
Great review--clear list of likes and dislikes. I'm considering this one.
Thanks Eric. Best of luck with your new piano!
Thank you. The pedals and the split sound would bother me
Is the rattling noise disturbing while playing ?
It’s not too bad. It mostly comes out with low bassier notes when the volume is above 25.
Does the rattling sound like in this video :
ua-cam.com/video/AWJEqbs0EXA/v-deo.html ?
Hmm. Can the front part of the top be detached from the rail and lifted up? If it could, you'd have a tiny bit more surface area, maybe, to put a candle or drink.
And, as always, I'll never be cooler than you.
It seems to not be possible
That stinks. Well, I guess it's time for an end table or something.
@@ascetic3312 quite right
Ascetic it’s screwed in or attached somehow,I’m sure it can be detached,if you have no mechanical or carpentry skills,a sledgehammer would work.
I wouldn't recommend a candle or a drink on any keyboard or piano, it will spill into the instrument.
Which part of the lid assembly rattles? is it the hinge at the top, or the pegs at the bottom? We're buying one, and I'm going to figure out how to eliminate the rattling. (I'm a product designer)
It seems like it’s the whole lid attachment if that makes sense. Keep me posted if you find a solution :)
It seems like it’s the whole lid attachment if that makes sense. Keep me posted if you find a solution :)
@@KatBurnsKASHKA augh! Turns out my girlfriend changed her mind and decided she was going to buy a different model (and then did), so I can't troubleshoot the rattling issue. :/ Rattling is caused by hard surfaces vibrating against eachother, so what I'd do is buy a bit of felt, cut off a few little strips and put them approx where the rollers on the lid come to rest when the piano is open. Then simply open the piano and roll the roller onto the little felt pads. If that works to stop the rattling, get some double-sided sticky tape to fix the pads in place. Hope it helps!
I think the middle pedal is supposed to be the sostenuto pedal
I think so.. but it doesn’t seem to do much
Kat Burns Hi I have just bought the piano, pedals work fine. Have you got them set to the page turn option?
It is my oppinion that it's a very bad idea to suggest that "it would be nice to have a flat space to put a cup of coffee" ... it will only result in a reduced piano life time ... other than that, nice video. Ah, as for setting the left hand tone when in split mode, check owners manual: www.manualslib.com/manual/1043649/Roland-F-140r.html?page=4 »» Playing Different Tones with the Right and Left Hands ([Split] Button)
» Changing the Left-Hand Tone »» Hold down the [Split] button and use the steps described in "Selecting Tones.". Cheers
I'm very good at not spilling my tea when i'm writing music :) Thanks for the direct link, I appreciate that. I had seen that but it wasn't really easy to do. I will try it again tomorrow and if I'm successful, I'll make sure to update it in a future review video. Thanks again!
@@KatBurnsKASHKA Thanks for the reply. In this video (in Portuguese...) it shows as a very easy task: ua-cam.com/video/Dxz3GlQ3N8U/v-deo.html (at 0:25). App Piano Partner 2 should make that task (and other tasks) easier also, in case you have a Android or iPad device. By the way, I'm not an F-140R owner (maybe in a near future...), but I take the chance to ask you about one thing that worries me (a lot): the videos around show the piano sound brilliance way to high, too metallic, which seems to be default, and ... I can't stand such for practicing/learning; the available piano sound customizations allow a more 'soft' sound ? (Thanks in advance)
If you cannot fit a full size piano in your house.. its simple.. get rid of everything else...
Haha oh if only! 😂
For having 3 pedals of which 2 arent doing the job as it was designed to im thinking... why Roland? Why can you not make all of them pedals work properly for the price we pay for this piano. Dont get me wrong I love this piano and its still worth buying. But if you give the buyer 3 pedals then please make them work properly as some people might actually value them. Thats something Roland has to work on for sures!
It seems they do work properly, just for unexpected uses. They are less useful if you aren’t using Bluetooth
@@KatBurnsKASHKA On te F-140R, the pedal on the right sustains notes, the pedal on the left softens the tone of the note and the middle pedal is sostenuto. With sostenuto, you play a chord then press down the pedal, the notes will sustain, when the pedal is depressed and you play further notes, they will not sustain.
Hi everyone! After you watch this you should watch my updated review: ua-cam.com/video/hR5GIHGV8jg/v-deo.html
Watch this first though, or else the other video won't make sense. Happy new year oxoxox
I’m ALWAYS looking for a place to put my beverages on expensive electronics :)
Hey, I write songs for a living. I drink a lot of tea at the piano!
if the pedals dont work thats a manufactures fault , covered by warranty take it back
The sustain pedal definitely works. I think the other two control features. I will update video soon. I’ve learned a lot over the last year.
Its not true that its impossible to choose another sound on left hand than this bas... everything is written in the manual how to do that. I tested it and it is possible! Also I can't understand the problem with "Rattlin"... Piano is good, but i can see another cons...
1. The operating, changing settings, sounds, rythms is not very user friendly, nor intuitive. The app Roland Partner 2 solves all things, but unfortunately it doesn;w want to work on most devices via blutooth (something is realy broken - i tried on Samsung Galaxy tab3, samsung galaxy S3, Kiano tablet, Iphone 5 - it doesn;t want to work on those devices. Only Xiaomi Redmi 4A works). Roland FP 30 is much better at this point!
2. to play a rythms you have to do many changes, click many buttons to switch off all annoying things like auto chord recognitions, bass, arpegiator, switch off split function, just to leave rythm only... All this stupid stuff is switched on by default and impossible to change that and save this settings as default.
I have been working through the manual and it definitely wasn't easy to figure out how to change it, I haven't been successful yet but I am determined. The rattling still happens, maybe it's my specific piano? It's there when it's baser. I also noticed the bluetooth doesn't connect to my computer or phone at all, it seems to prefer iPads which I don't have. Like you, I wish that it didn't all reset when I turned it off. Lots of buttons to get changes, and also one more flaw - no output 6mm! I realised this problem when I recorded yesterday and was looking for a direct line out. It only has headphones with low volume. Bizarre.
@@KatBurnsKASHKA Its problem with blooetooth. If you buy USB cable (type B) + OTG adapter for microUSB then it will work. I heard that it requires bluetooth v4 and it could work with newest android systems. but it is true, it doesn;t work with old phones (that were bought about 1 year ago or earlier). I think that we should rate the app with only 1 star to make them fix that problem.
Oh that’s so disappointing. No wonder it doesn’t work for me- my phone is a few years old.
@@KatBurnsKASHKA A few solutions for you... You can buy some used iPad - it shouldn;t be expensive - below $100. Maybe $70. Or it could be some smartphone like xiaomi - it is also inexpensive and good and work with that piano (mine is working - it is Xiaomi Redmi 4A). Another thing is to install old version of Piano Parner app - it should also work, But you would have to find that in google (version 1.2), install manually and switch off autoupdate in google play app.
@@KatBurnsKASHKA www.apkmonk.com/download-app/jp.co.roland.PianoPartner2/2_jp.co.roland.PianoPartner2_2016-12-20.apk/
Thank you for the review. And this is for you, if still don't know, how to change instrument for left side in split mode.
ua-cam.com/video/1wJMHvgiTT0/v-deo.html
Yes I have that sorted out. Thanks!!
Kat, If you are going to review a piano for the masses, you should have an understanding of a piano's features, or consult with a trained pianist. The three pedals on the F140r work just like a concert grand piano. I'll bet you 100 interwebs that the left two pedals work fine. The F140r is a fantastic instrument.
Oh I understand the pedals on real pianos no problem. This piano uses the soft and sostenudo pedals for Bluetooth things that I don’t use, and it doesn’t make any difference to the sound - unlike on an acoustic piano. That’s why it was confusing to me, since there was no audible difference from the pedals (other than sustain, of course that worked fine) when I was playing.
Cup of tea????? Are you kidding me? I would bring any drinks near a real piano.
everyone does things differently. I love having a cup of tea near my instrument as I am usually writing songs and getting into a vibe.