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The Bülk Velomobile - Unboxing & First Impressions
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- Jan and the team from Velomobile World sent me a new velomobile for test. Let’s unbox it and go for a test ride.
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Chapters:
0:00 Unboxing
1:00 What’s included?
3:02 Walkaround
4:43 Setup
5:45 Test ride
7:22 First impressions
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Great to see another review finally of the Bülk. The advertising slogan is the one I sent to Jan right before he sent me my Bülk. He wanted to put “the real muscle car” on it, but I thought that would confuse people and make them think it is actually a car with a motor.
Yes, this is definietly better slogan 👍
I’m shopping for a velo. I wish every review could be as informative as this. But I especially wish that every review gave me the pleasure of listening to you speak. Your voice is beautiful.
Please allow me to make up for your stunning lack of enthusiasm about the Bulk which I blame on the bad weather on your first ride. What I like about my Bulky: the hotspot lamp on the top because of my night blindness, the air suspension because we have a lot of cobblestones in the small towns around here, the humongous shoulder width that I don´t need but is appreciated anyway, the motorhelmet visor, the compactness (Short!) because that makes it easier to store and despite this small exterior, I still fit very comfortably with 192cm and size 48 feet. Although I must admit, the feet do not have much wriggle room left. No space for big shoes and sandals. Then there is the stifness of the whole body and frame, the incredible acceleration, the steering precision, the speed both in built-up area and the open road, the stability, the good accessability of the pedals and the derailler. The feet protrusions occasionally touch the more agressive speed bumps, but there is no hard contact. The only real faults I could find is indeed the stupid positioning of the front shifter and the side windows are too low for me. There is also limited cargo space all the way in the back because of the constricted build of the rear. But that is quickly forgiven and serves to limit the amount of stuff I take with me on travels. I have been riding just 1000km up till now, but I am sure already that I like the Bulky the best of the many ( I lost count) velomobiles that I have owned in 25 years time. It is a thoroughly fun ride. Period.
This was just my first impressions of the Bulk. I’m sure I have some more things to say after I’ve ridden it 1000 km like you 😉
@@TheVelomobileChannelIt's a great video, I very much appreciate you going over the details carefully and deliberately. That shows you care very much ❤
So cool! I couldn't wait for this video after seeing your teaser pictures. The orange colour looks so badasss with the black reflective stickers! 🤩
Sorry but you can’t be badass if you drive this. I can’t imagine anyone other then nerds driving this
Great review and I like that you got to be an ambassador for the Bülk.
The Bülk is the next little step towards perfection. However here I have some points: I think the rear suspension is over-damped, so it can loose ground contact in a corner on cobble-stone pavement, for example a round-about, so I will change the race-tyre to a gravel tyre. My Bülk is the BMK000. And: my hood is in production since weeks, but it does not matter, because I am fast enough without. I think I will make my seat a little more tight and with hinges, so you can flap it to reach the luggage. And I don't like unexpected crosswind especially in my Bülk. Please deliver more from Your Bülk testings.
curious about that top vent if it is meant to blow air directly on the visor to help with fogging, similar to the vents on ski goggles? I would also add adhesive-backed foam or rubber door-seal around the visor and the access hatches to prevent water ingress
@@better.better The real challenge is to get rid of the water the driver's body adds to the small cabin.
Andi, you should make a Video!
I love this vehicle and would love to have an excuse to own one! It looks really beautiful, like someone else said, something out of the art deco era.
Thank you for posting this video, and for highlighting the good and not so good points.
Its a very exotic vehicle, hoping you'll post more information as months go by.
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…semppii, täytyy tilaa tämä mielenkiintonen saitti.. 👋
As the Season Progresses, I think some interior temperature measurements from various sections (front, mid and rear) would be helpful when adjusting the airflow from the very cool adjustable ventilation tunnel as well as the NACA duct and visor when in open position. Curious as to how it handles the inevitable fogging or how you treat it with both visors. Also the pressure ratings on the Air suspension and how it's measured or just 'hit or miss' inflation. Excellent Content and detail on this Episode.
You can use motorcycle helmet anti-fog spray for the windows.
Those flashing rear lights are a big mistake... If you can only see one, you'd think it's a turn signal....
Good point. In general I have mixed feelings about flashing tail lights. They are ok in daylight, but not ok in dark.
Those rear lights are also the turn signals. I would opt for the Hot spot for the bike as that gives a higher headlight as well as tail and brake lights.
I think the tail light should be mounted at the very back of the machine and not flash.
The tail light actually works very well. You can switch off the flashing by simply changing the light switch to the other on-position. The only thing I would add which I really like since I passed a road cyclist who had one, is a Garmin Radar. >> ua-cam.com/video/s3p__Mhz7Xw/v-deo.html >> Think I'll get one and mount it in the middle, as high as possible, on my Bülk
@@4nz-nl got garmin radar mounted at the rear of my Bülk. The height is not all that important.
you created epic edition~ till next time,The!🔥
Very cool velomobile. Everything carbon, air shock-absorbers! But must be cost a fortune!
Love mine !
Just got a Bulk at Cycle Con love it !
That airflow velcro is better than a dirty sock Saukki! 😂
Why was I waiting for him to crush this thing in a hydraulic press??
It really is entirely a solid mobile orange womb.
Cozy if not kevlar bulletproof even and able to travel for free, just like a real womb, remember those days?
Life was super affordable then. And, you got to sleep in, until they stopped wanting to prechew your groceries for you.
Anyhow, congrats on having your very own womb.
#TheRightToMobility
really cool i saw another video on this the other day on this but you give a much better in depth video
Nice first look.
Looks like your collour is famous already, if they're sending you a test bike in orange.
The dealer where I ordered my Quest told me about those black reflective stickers. Thought about them, but I hadn't been able to look for photos of them on a red velo before I decided to go with the standard collour. Maybe I was a bit quick to decide. Not going to change now though. Maybe I could still try them in the future, if the regular ones start pealing of... If it isn't time for a new velo by than.
I want to build my own velomobile. This is definitely motivating...
Great to see a video on a new velomobile, I wonder could they maybe add some sort of heating or vents to kedp the side windows from fogging
Looks verrrrry KOOL.......like a SUBMERSIBLE!! Any carbon fibre composition? Definitely an "OceanGate" candidate!! 🖤♠
They should make aerodynamic lightweight carbon fiber saddlebags/storage compartments that could mount to each side toward the rear. As big as they could be without being impractical. I would love a 250 to 750w pedal assist electric one. For 16 mile rides into town.
Wish I could afford one.
awesome ride bro love this
Great review!
On each of the side windows, (and maybe on the front visor) use a Universal Helmet Shield Anti Fog Film, Clear Visor Lens Insert Fog Resistant (amazon) I use them on all my non-pinlock helmets. Works great. They are a pinlock without the pinlock and the rim has a clear adhesive that sticks great, but stays with the visor insert, if you move it.
Two of mine are five years old and have been in three helmets and still work.
A camera in the rear and a TFT Display would be great to eliminate the mirrors that might be hard to see if things fog up.
I use Rain-X anti fog on my motorcycle visor along with regular Rain-X to see.
In a car with broken windshield wipers. You can still drive in the rain with Rain-X.... I could go 75mph in heavy rain in my truck with no wipers.
Great channel, thanks for all the great content. Would an EDF fan behind the front air intake low drag and make it faster. Low frontal pressure and less turbulent air at the rear. Could be fun to test?
Force outside airflow direct on the inside visor/windows.
End result:no fogging!
Hey Saukki, given the limited visibility in velomobiles, have you ever thought about using a bike radar?
Yes I have, but haven't purcased one yet. Maybe some day.
Very interesting. Sort of reminds me of a streamline locomotive. Or maybe a dry-lake speedster. Streamlining is fantastic. Almost art deco. I wonder if you could put an electric motor in it.
Great introduction video on the Bülk. I received my Bülk last month and have already lost the derailleur cover. Seems the velcro wasn’t enough to hold it on some of the bumpy sections of road. I’ve ordered a replacement and plan to add an additional attached inside the cover to hopefully prevent loosing it again.
Interesting 🤔
I had similar cover on Milan, but it didin’t fly away.
I recommend you to use electric tape to hold the cover, it'll probably hold way better than just the velcro
Switch to magnets or screws! :) Mine is on a cord but it does loosen up every once in a while (so then it's hanging from the cord, not the velcros)
Whoa that looks so cool 🔥😲🤘🏽
Cool submarine. :)
Very efficient!
Those are worn bearings in your drill. Have you been using it as a sander? That sort of heavy-duty prolonged use is not what the drill was built for, and is what causes this.
I have one that's been doing that for 30 years. (Used it as a sander while restoring multiple boats.) You'll note that if you barely squeeze the trigger, so that the chuck hardly turns, it doesn't turn steadily; it jams and releases as it rotates.
What I do is, I squirt WD into the bearings every time I use it; several times, if I use it a lot. Go blind with the straw into the motor vent(s) on the side; do your best to hit the bearings under the brushes, and give it a few good squirts. Squeeze the trigger to distribute the lubricant, and note how the squealing sound diminishes. That tells you you've hit the target.
If you have access to the rear bearing, above the grip on the back, blast that good, too. If your drill is old enough that the bearing is just sitting there, fully accessible, use a good machine oil to lubricate it. (On some more recent drills you can drill through the plastic housing to create this lube point.) Wipe off the black crap that dribbles out during use. This stuff is good news; that's the fluid flushing fine grit out of the bearings.
After this, you'll get rotation sooner when you barely squeeze, the chuck'll turn smoother (though not like it would if the bearings were still round), and it won't scream at you at high revs. Best of all, you can keep the drill functioning for a long time, as long as you're consistent with this pre-launch routine.
Thanks for the video!
Amazing vehicle.
The NACA duct is more aerodynamic than opening the windscreen so it is best for high speed. As an Aeronautical Engineer this is a dream bike to ride! No mention of seat comfort? Why no storage in the tail which looks ideal and spacious, and good for top access?
There is luggage space behind the seat. You have to wait for the full review for more details about that.
Motorcycle helmets use an inner pinlock visor, so it doesn't fog up at all when it's raining. Maybe you can upgrade your visor.
All new vehicles, even if you bought a school bus, should be delivered in a cardboard box to your driveway. That would be so cool!
Looking at this I would say those tail lights are bit invisible, perhaps a couple of small ones in the actual air outlet holes would add to safety visibility.
For foggy windows maybe pinlock-like sticker-inserts will help. I’m suprised the visor used does not have it
Great video Saukki ! Can you talk about the turning radius and speed ? Im guessing you already have another video lined up about this ;)
Turning radius depends on tire size. With my Bülk it is roughly the same as the quest.
I did a speed test on my UA-cam channel ua-cam.com/video/HNhqNA8MSIY/v-deo.html
That is beautiful ❤
As i have everything I need 15 minutes away on a regular bicycle, a velomobile is completely useless to me. Even if i had to travel further away the bicycle lanes we have here are very narrow and bumpy for a velomobile and riding on the road is pointless because i would be stuck in car traffic.
If i were to buy one, i would buy the quattrovelo/quatrevelo because of its huge cargo space and being usable for a longer part of the year because of its four wheel.
But until then I will enjoy these vehicles vicariously through your videos.
I would buy one to have a shell protecting me from the elements, car exhaust, etc. But not for this price/quality.
You can buy anti-fogging products developed for motorcycle helmets to help with that.
Would a good improvement if the side window could be opened. Would improve ventilation too.
Thank you i learned a lot
Got to love the color..:P (mine is also this color)
At the Moment i own a Quest. I think when i saved more Money in Future i will buy a used bülk or a snoek L. To me it would be interesting to see how many Watts it needs for 50 km/h.
FYI..my Bülk has a little more room inside than my friends Snoek which I’ve ridden and is a very, very tight fit. I am 5’ 10.5” tall and 163 lb for reference. Performance wise I think they are pretty close to the same.
I think the snoek L would fit me eben better because my fit is nearly the same like the fit of the builder. I'm 6 feet 4 Inches and 170 lb. (77kg at 194cm). So my shoulders shouldn't be the Problem.
I think in the future i'm going to check them both and see what feels better to me.
Che meraviglia un mio sogno 👍
nice bike
Where’s the beer holder?🤣
Thanks for the look. Can you give me a measurement of the finger hole that you lift the rear end with? I need to know the inside diameter of that opening to the millimeter, if possible. Thanks!
Оооо, Субморин!
Wtf is made in Romania? 😳 Didint knew my country made these
Orangemember!!!
Looks like something Temu dreamed up. Sorry
really like to have and use such velomobiles, but traffic is just to insane here in germany. the next eastern europe truck driver would just ran me over, without noticing it
There are quite a few velomobile riders in Germany. I just did a 2 week tour through Germany in a velomobile. Nobody ran me over. I actually felt very safe and visible.
First thing I would do , is add three 1000 watt motors to the three wheels , then put batteries balanced for the bike in front and back and a couple solar panels ........ then you have the best of both worlds ....
I think you need to do the maths. This thing can hit 50 kph with less than 200 W of pedaling power. I'm not sure what you would do with 3 kW. Now add those heavy motors, batteries and solar panels (you think they're really going to provide you with any kind of recharging capability?) and you've got a vehicle which is now probably twice as heavy, once you consider all the necessary reinforcements.
On efficiency side I believe this one will perform well and convince some efficiency oriented people to velo. However, from on practical side I think whole velomobile concept is running cycles instead improvement. If you want to put people into cars for you need to substitute car and not make another faster bike. Velo needs to be doubleseater, needs to protect from rain and needs to have luggage space, so to fulfill it in short form more upright position is needed. I would rather see some kind of EAV vehicles adapted for urban mobility roles.
How about just riding an ordinary ebike and wearing rain gear? I don't think velomobiles are primarily intended for transportation.
@@georgekrpan3181 Not good to soak ebikes.
Horses for courses. Velomobiles are super good for commuting longer distances without electric assistance. Distances of 20 - 50 km suddenly become very doable without reaching for a 45 kph e-bike.
Small electric cars also exist for those who prefer a big vehicle..
Add a 1000w motor and substantial battery and there’s a commuter bike..
You may need 1kW motor if your home or work is on top of a steep mountain. But if there’s no big hills around where you live, then the motor is just useless and will slow you down.
How noisy is it compared to the Quest? What about comfort on not so great roads? I’d like to know how these suspensions compare with what the Quest has.
The air suspension is fantastic. The comfort and rear tire contact with the road is much better than with steel springs.
@twilwel how much pressure you have in the rear suspension?
I find the comfort suspension feels identical to the quest. I few the standard rear shock and have been very happy with it on the terrible roads where I live.
@@mnveloguy Which year was your Quest built in? Is it in carbon fiber or in fiberglass?
@@mnveloguy Granted, on asphalt roads, good or bad, it does not make a noticeable difference, but on Dutch brick roads the steel springs are too slow to react and you may find yourself facing the other way in a slanted corner because the rear wheel has started to drift and lost contact with the road. It's like riding on ice. But you are not safe on asphalt either, because in the USA you have a lot of rumble strips who separate the road and the shoulder. I participated in ROAM2011 when we crossed the USA with velomobiles and we had never heard of rumble strips. We had some bad encounters and flipovers before we learned to cross them at an angle as quickly as possible. Once I found a rumble strip over the whole width of the road at an intersection. There was no way to avoid it and I noticed too late. I happened to have rear air-suspension installed as a test but the rear still drifted a bit from side to side. When you cross over the rumble strip with a three-wheeler you really want to have that air suspension. There are some examples here on UA-cam as well of uncontrolleable flipovers from velomobiles. ua-cam.com/video/RcX0nvOmWsc/v-deo.html That alone makes air suspension worth the extra hassle of having to check the air pressure occasionally. In the Netherlands I really enjoy the extra comfort, speed and safety of the air suspension, especially on brick roads. I did not like the Risse air shock I used to have in the Mango since they turned out to be too unreliable for long tours but the new air shocks used by the Rumanian velomobile factory seem to be ok.
It looks nice. You may also think about adding a rechargeable mini fan for more airflow on yourself. Plus adding a lighted mini reflector on the rear like bicycles use. Happy cycling:-)
My guess on the price to be 10K was accurate to within 2.5%. Make it $5K with a-la 105 components, or a step below 105 components, and I will the the first in line to buy it.
@Laid Back Racing I did not say it would be easy. If they truly want velomobilling to be more widespread, the engineers need to come up with ways to reduce production costs. If they want it to remain a niche product of no interest to the general public, no need to change anything. For 5K, I would accept the DIY/innovative aspects of the product (derailleur cover falling off etc -- see comment below). Not for 10K, sorry.
@@laidbackracing5559 He´s right: Velomobiles are THE way for commuting, and it HAS to get A LOT cheaper, Milan, Quattro, Quest, all rubbish, if the price doesn´t come down 2-4 times... The Chinese will solve also this problem, I guess, as with anything where others don´t have the balls.
The thing is there are "cheap" velomobiles, but either you're too late (the allewedder is no longer in production) or you have to be in Australia for a rotovelo
Have any of you complaining about the cost ever tried to build a velomobile? Materials alone cost close to $5k. Having built one myself, I can tell you that it is very time consuming. It takes the factory about 6 weeks to assemble one. The employees need to be paid, the factory needs to be able to afford the equipment to build them. The designers needs to make a living as well. Despite all of that, Velomobiles still cost less than cars and can easily replace one.
@@mnveloguy If a high-tech racing-bike-frame of 900gr costs under 1000$, then 10000 for a velomobile is too mcuh. A velomobile, no matter how good it does its job, is still a "crude" creation compared to a racing-bike-frame. The problem of velomobiles is that they are build in Holland and Germany, instead of China. Rotovelo is too heavy, and Alleweder isn´t that aerodynamic at all (a velomobile´s single superpower, but a crucial one)
Man I want one. But I live in Florida. Would be an oven here.
Electrify the puppy
Why? It doesn’t make any sense if you don’t live in mountains. I live in flat land, we have no big hills. So adding 8 - 10 kg of motor and battery would just make this thing slower than it is now.
@@TheVelomobileChannel I understand I personally live in a very mountainous area. Anyway the machine is very very cool. Blessings to you and yours coming at you from the hills of Southern Oregon
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ima hook one of these up with a super fast motor so people think that im pedal powered when im not
Good post. I just need an 'E' version
Cool
Cool videos. Please excuse my ignorance but i cant place your accent. Anyway, was wondering if your a Meshuggah fan? 🤘🤘🤘👍👍
Very cool. Needs SRAM transmission!
The drill sounded like it's halfway between speeds( slipping on gears) if it's not worn out completely 😮
I bet it’s worn out. Seems I can’t get it better by switching gears.
It was cheap rubbish drill anyways. I should have bought decent one, not the cheapest one.
Just discover this channel and I love it! Great work. How the velomobiles drive with cross winds?
Great, especially on bridges.
@@SofaKingShit ty
I am just wondering if a powered air-conditioning would work like the one you have in your car? It would be absolutely a huge step forward for humanity if there is such a solution
I would say it would work even better if you fitted a 2 cylinder gasoline engine. Imagine the possibilities!
*It would be dope if the wheels had carbon disk covers over the spokes*
It might look good, but it doesn’t make it more aerodynamic. I’ve tested it back in the days: ua-cam.com/video/FGg8pffukNE/v-deo.html
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Could use a windshield wiper.
Unboxing after Milan and quarto Velo voyager will this one be named also the Milan ps lighting is all led 57 w power consumption
Hello! From which motorcycle - helmet is the flip visior??? That‘s not even an anti - fog - visior… This is a real weak performance at this price… 🤔
I'm interested in when that chain is going to eat some of your things in the right bottom side. Is'nt there a cover, so you can use that space? If you go on vacation you need all the space you can get, as I understand from the comments.
But nice review, thanks for the good work, looking forward for more to come :-)
Velomobile world is working on developing a cover for the swingarm. They want to produce a carbon fiber one, but I don’t think they are done making the mold yet and obviously we’re t before they sent Saukki his Bülk. They ah e at least a foam cover now as they are sending one with my order.
P.S. FORGOT MUST WERE BIKE HELMET..
Stay out of the West where temps hit over 100 degrees.
With the gap around the front light it looks like you're getting more airflow that isn't controlled. How hard would it be to convert this to an e-bike with full throttle? Is it difficult to replace the steering with a better design?
I have this Bulk. Better steering? Ahh this is the best steering velomobile or recumbent of any kind I ever had !
$12,000 is entirely too expensive.
A good e-bike is a way better solution. My e-bike has paid for itself 3 times over.
No gas, insurance, registration, oil change, smog check.
E-bikes are seriously amazing!!
And very cold in winter and very wet when it rains. I’ve ridden my velomobile in -20C and snow. I was very comfortable. An ebike also gives you zero protection should you get hit by a car.
Berapa harga dalam wujud uang indonesia ya??
It looks like fogging was a real issue
I noticed their shop is a a bit old-school-everything-by-hand kind of production and it's unfortunate that they don't take advantage of a 3D printer to make some useful parts like air ducts and windshield seals & other small parts to increase the overall value of the velomobile. I'm looking at the 10 000$+ price tag and getting a DIY-prototype rough-around-the-edges vibe rather than a finished commercial product.
Good point 👍 I'd rather pay $5, 000 for one that is 15-20lbs heavier....Than $10,000 to be 15 lbs lighter. Plus the only reason to use one is to get out of rain * cold. I'd add electric assistance anyways. So 20 more lbs won't be an issue.
Can I retrofit a electric motor on it?
This thing could use a small a/c unit.
A small a/c unit weighs around 5 kg. Add the required batteries and you're looking at increasing the weight of the velomobile from 26 kg to the mid 35 kg +. That's a questionable value proposition.
For that weight I would much rather have an e-bike pedal-assist motor and battery for climbing hills faster, because that's where the reduction in air flow will really be felt.
If you're really desperate for more air, you can always run with the visor up or the top hood completely removed.
I see your point. An a/c unit is not only comfort but rather a safety option. Opening the visor is not the same as having conditioned air supply. But, yeah, if I had to choose from one or the other, it were e-assist. Then again, having e-assist would allow for additional weight for an a/c. :)@@philipk4475
That’d be a problem in Arizona.
Looks like a sub
What does your Farzhar think of it?
Where do we have enough room for my weekly or twice a week purchases in supermarket?
Along the left side of the rear wheel well, under the seat, and along both sides of the seat. I can fit multiple bags of groceries in mine. If that’s not enough space, you can order one with reinforcement to haul a trailer.
In summer this would be a rolling oven. Riding in 100 deg like 125 inside.
For 10,000 you should get 4 go pro vision. Your so low tractor trailer would just grind you up. This is fit for empty park riding. Them I can see all the little kids running out in front of you. Putting that thing in real car and truck would be death . It looks cool because the design is taken from best historical
Cars and motor cycles and bikes ment for single or dual race track speed records. For a suppose production it looks proto type. Macanicaly. All those
mirrors will fog. Admitting thier are spayes that can help. Unfortunately he never menchen this and him being an some what expert. In America thier are some decated bike lanes. Can you imagine wind force coming from a Winnebago doing 70 mi flying in a driving rain. Being blown away would get a new meaning. Bicycles I'm this country must have heard lights mirrors turn singles horn brake lights.
But must be observable from specific
Hight and distance. don't see that happening. All I see are cops stoping you every where you go. It's a work progress. As is a road traffic nightmare. After all this is my opinion.
Lastly can't escaping after crash. Opening hood and getting out of toe clips.. heard no mechion top or turn radius. After all he made sure to say IT LEAKS. NO MECHION SPRING SUPENCHION. NOT prepared for diches pot holes or uneven Pavement.
I know what the compartment for.
SPLINTS AND BANDAGE'S
They're legal in USA 🇺🇸 on public roads. Plenty of videos online showing people getting pulled over by cops. Until the cops realize it's a recumbent trike with an enclosure.
Recumbent trikes sit just as low. But obviously you can't ride either on interstates. Just like you wouldn't take a 50cc 🛵 on the interstate unless it could go the legal minimum speed.
Are you trying to speak Scottish mixed with welsh ?
I would not risk using it on the open road.
Can someone tell me if four wheeled velomobiles are legal on uk roads pulling a trailer?