I went with two 12” AC Infinity fans and no scrubbing. The most overlooked step (for a lot of people) is cleaning ashtrays. I’ve considered getting a Rabbit Air for a few years and it doesn’t seem necessary.
You are so correct. I put something called Wiff Out and a little bit of sand in my large ashtrays so if I forget to empty them at night, I don’t really smell the ash in the morning just the perfume smell from the whiff out..
What an amazing room! Thanks for making this detailed video. I smoke inside my home, in the living room, usually have the windows all opened and have a Rabbit Air purifier on full blast 😅
What a great video. As a younger cigar smoker who has been using only one air purifier as a ventilation system in my smoking room, I found this to be invaluable information. I have the exact same requirement as you and have met every problem that you listed. Now I know exactly what to do. Thank you kind sir! 🙏
I considered the Wi-Fi option but in the end, elected to go with the push button control included with the fan. The major driver there was the proliferation of remote controls in my cigar lounge. I have one for the TV, one for the fireplace, and a light controller. Additionally I have two others I use when shooting video. Thank you for watching!
@@arwin10w I was originally planning on doing my small office, but I've decided to turn my den area with a preexisting bar into the lounge. Going to install a 10" vent to move 1500 CFM 😅 But I can fit a pool table, chairs, couch and dining table in there.
I was using an Ozone generator early on but a friend from the cleanup industry informed me that the ozone can degrade some common materials, namely rubber and other synthetics, which are found in carpet backing and in many furnishings. I confirmed this with some research. I have since found that I really don't need it.
very informative video and plan to us much of this to equip my small room lounge! Has anything changed since this content was posted? Is everything still working well? I noticed a wooden ceiling vs sheetrock....is sheetrock contra-indicated in a smoke room? thks in advance for any replies
Everything is working very well. I have had no problems. I chose wood for the walls and ceilings for esthetic effect. I wanted an old English pub or library vibe and the dark wood tones really accomplished that. Sheetrock is harder to clean so an I also felt the wood was easier to keep clean. However, since the ventilation is working, so well, I get very little residue on the ceiling. Only a little bit around the exhaust vent. I have helped a few people set up their smoking rooms in their houses and they have sheet rock there seems to be no problems. Thanks for the comments. Good luck!
Where did the makeup air come from, and how did you account for the additional 6 tons of air conditioning required to cool it from Texas air at 95F to 75F?
I have a 3 ton, two stage heat pump that handles the HVAC in my house. Make up error supplied by an open vent on the transom above the double French doors. Additionally, air can enter under the door. I believe it would be a mistake to block the opportunity for air to come in around the door as I need to keep negative air pressure in that room. Many of these houses in Texas that have been built in recent years do not have return ductwork they simply use the whole house as a return air Plenum so all of the rooms have this open vent above the doors that just opens up into the hallways, etc. I previously had a 2 1/2 ton system in this house, and it was really challenged moving enough air into this room since I had to replace the system when it failed I elected to go with a slightly larger system and it solved that problem. Thank you for your interest.
I actually didn’t seal the doors. In my case I wanted air to enter the room underneath the doors to help create the negative pressure within the room. Think of it like driving a car and opening the window on the passenger side. Certainly some air will escape. Now crack the window on the driver’s side a little bit. You will feel air flowing across your face. It’s the same idea with venting smoke. You to let some air come in to replace the air being exhausted by the fan. If you creat good cross ventilation you won’t need to seal anything, just let the fan create the airflow to exhaust all the smoke.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ Yes. You want a minimum of 6 air changes per hour (ACPH), but I recommend 20 ACPH. Assuming your ceiling height is 9 feet, this is our equation: (60*CFM) / (10’x10’x9’) = ACPH 300 CFM will get you 20 ACPH. Should be very easy to find. For example, Home Depot sells a model called “Delta Breez 300 CFM. If you have any other questions lemme know.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ I just posted my question, but I can tell you from experience... NOPE. I tried to use one on a 10x16 shed and just doesn't move the air... really at all. I think the cigar smoke is much heavier than the water vapor they are designed to effectively move.
@@elvdell5582 I agree, it will not be sufficient. The reason is simply lack of air flow. I measured a bathroom fan and it moved 70 cfm. less than 10% of what you would need to remove enough smoke. Cigar smoke is somewhere between 7 and 12% more dense than dry air, which is more dense that moist air. Yes I know, it's counter intuitive.So you are correct, smoke is much heavier)higher density) than moist air.
I’ve been smoking cigars in my living room. My ventilation system is a bit less sophisticated. It consists of me walking over and opening up a window. Hah
I just got mine done, used a 10" infinity fan in a 3k³ ft room. The room will smell no matter what but the air is clean and the rest of the house isn't effected. Pulls a negative pressure with the HVAC running so room stays cool.
Well done. I'm glad to hear it is working. The room itself will accumilate some cigar odors over time but as long as it is contained within the room, we don't get complaints.
I bought an 8" fan for a 12x15 room, and a 12" ceiling vent, do you think that's large enough for the room to evacuate smoke through? Im also going to purchase the smoke eater ceiling fan and use that too. If I still smell any smoke I'll get the air purifier also. Just wondering if the vent fan was large enough? Yours looks like its maybe a 12x12 ceiling vent too
Well done, Sir. Your room has become my primary guide for creating my own, which is nearly identical in dimensions. I currently have a Vornado window exhaust and a Levoit HEPA filter purifier, but they are not up high in the room. I'm considering adding an AC Infinity shutter exhaust fan in an upper corner venting directly through the wall to outside. It's rated at 830 CFM, so it should do the job. The exterior fascia is vinyl siding, posing the challenge of how to achieve a proper weather seal. I'll get it sorted.
My first attempt was was a Vornado window fan, and for the reason you described it was not adequate. I’m sure you will figure out how to exhaust the fan through the wall.
Awesome setup!! As an HVAC designer the first priority is exhausting the air and smoke to the outside. If you are worried about comfort then a make-up air system to bring in fresh air that is climate controlled. Last would be a filter system for any remaining odor.
My new Hero! My dream is to have a proper ventilated beautiful decor cigar room, such as yours with bourbons and scotch display. Thank You for the great information . I will continue to follow you and your pairings. Cigar Family… Texas Pride!
Very informative. My wife and I will be building a house next year and I'm seriously considering a small cigar lounge off of the laundry room. I had imagined the cost of air purification and ventilation being around 10k so this is a pleasant surprise! By the way, your lounge looks great!
Thank you! I am working on a video where I will depict a low cost method for converting a room to a cigar lounge. I am thinking of less than $500. Now that is only the cost of the ventilation system. For a small room it can be done in that price range, in most cases. Decor and furnishings would be an additional cost of course.
As a cigar smoker I know that my nose is not as sensitive to cigar smoke as it once was. It worries me that I could go thru the effort to build a room that a non-smoker ie. Wife or kids would still smell the smoke. Do you have any exceptionally sensitive noses in your house? And how do they feel about air quality?
I would not be able to smoke in that room, if the smoke left the room and could be detected anywhere else in the house. that has not been a problem. The ventilation system takes care of all of the smoke. In fact, if you walk into this room five minutes after I’ve smoked, you will not smell cigar smoke.
I bought an 8" fan for a 12x15 room, and a 12" ceiling vent, do you think that's large enough for the room to evacuate smoke through? Im also going to purchase the smoke eater ceiling fan and use that too. If I still smell any smoke I'll get the air purifier also. Just wondering if the vent fan was large enough? Yours looks like its maybe a 12x12 ceiling vent too
I think an 8" fan would would work. Assuming you get 900 cfm through the 8" duct, you will get approximately 25 air changes an hour, which should handle the smoke pretty well. If it comes up short you can add the air purifier as well. My vent grill opening is 10"x10". Then it reduces and transitions from 10" square to 8" round. The transitions is reversed at the roof damper.
I copied your advice. I have a back unattached garage (mancave). Changed both my ceiling fans to the Purifan hepa/carbon filter system. I also installed the AC Infinity inline 8" Pro in my attic to exhaust smoke from inside my mancave. This sytem works amazing!! That exhaust fan can draw so much air out and fast that it causes negative air pressure in my garage. This is great but when you open the door for someone to come in or out, you hear the air swoosh and the door is hard to shut! How did you balance your room for this issue? I live in MN so having an open window in the winter to let in outside air may not be a great idea. I also have guitars in there so letting the humidity level drastically change fast is not good! Any advice would be great, thank you!
I would try running the exhaust fan at a lower speed as a first remedy. It sounds like you have a vacuum as opposed to slightly negative pressure in the room. In my case the entry to my room is from the hallway adjacent to my front door. The french doors leading to my room are not tight so I get plenty of makeup air from underneath the doors as well as from a vent above the doors. Your issue, as you stated, is that you are in a cold climate so you don't want outside makeup air because it will bring in too much cold air. If slowing the fan down is not adequate you may have to add some kind of adjustable vent ot the outside. It may be that you don't need to bring a large amount of air to solve the balance issue. And if you can place the makeup air vent far enough away from your sitting area, it may be acceptable. Or if you have a double hung widow try pulling the top down a little. Good luck and let me know how it works out.
After you installed the in-line fan, did you find that the window fan wasn't necessary? I'm creating a cigar room for my father and trying to avoid the temperature fluctuations. Would the scrubber + in-line be enough? I know I could add a heater/cooling unit to offset the heat/air being pulled out of the room, but I'm trying my best to avoid that if at all possible.
Yes I did.I eliminated the window fan immediately. The scrubber and in-line handle 100% of the smoke and residual odor. It is likely that you will not need to modify your HVAC system. I have found this is true in most cases. I will suggest that there may be a temperature differential between teh smoking room and the rest of the house once you start pulling that much air out. In my case it is 1-2 degrees after the exhaust fan has been running for 2 hours or more. So if it 71 in the rest of the house it may be 73 in my smoking room. I don't believe that is all due to the exhaust fan. I think that room has always varied from the rest of the house particularly in the very hot days we have here in Texas. So my guess is that you won't have to make any modifications to you heating/cooling system, and if you do, it may be as simple as balancing the air through vent adjustments. Good luck! Your father will enjoy it!
How well has the purifan held up? Do you still like it? Does it still do an excellent job? I'm looking into buying one, but I don't want to spend the money on it if it's not worth it! Great video by the way! Very informative!!
The Purifan does an excellent job. I changed the filters after two years recently and there was black smoke residue on every layer of the filters. Like all air purifiers it depends on all of the smoke getting sucked into teh filter. That is pretty much impossible. In my case the Purifan captured 95% of the smoke. If I had to chose one, I would go with an exhaust fan instead. In my case I have both, which is great when I have 4 or 5 people in there smoking.
Very nice build and thank you for going through your process. I'm currently following your footsteps and going through the same process. I have opted for 2x AC Infinity fans as I plan to have around 4-5 people join me bi-weekly. Can you share any insight in terms of how you addressed the negative air pressure in the room? Did you add a passive vent somewhere so as the exhaust fan create a negative pressure, it is pulling fresher air from an adjacent room?
The Infinity fan moves enough air to create negative pressure. There is a pass through vent above the door, as there is in every room in the house. This provides plenty of make up air so the room stays negative. It pulls air in from the hallway. When the fan is not running this vent acts as a return to the HVAC air handler. So in effect it reverses the airflow.
You can certainly do that, and it intake for the inline is high enough it should work fine. Because smoke rises it is best to mount it as high as you can on the wall. Originally I tried a fan in a widow but it was too low and most of the smoke missed it.
No , it creates a “vacuum” so that no smoke escapes the room. If you pump air into the room you’d risk creating positive pressure in the room which would push smoke out in ways you wouldn’t want
Awesome explanation of what you done. I have already installed an 8” exhaust but don’t like it and it’s got a terrible whine, didn’t know of a silencer. Great information, thanks again!
Love your lounge. I do my smoking under my backyard gazebo all four season. I have a ceiling mounted fan for warm weather. I zip up the side curtains and use a propane heater in cold weather. I really want to build a cigar and bourbon lounge in the back corner of my basement. Hopefully the money manager will fork over the money to do so..
Just loving this video based on your music choice alone omg The rest is golden too. Thank you. By any chance may I ask for the title of the first song in the video? And would sitting by the window with a fan blowing out the window, and blowing my smokes into the fan from behind do the trick?
The music is from a generic music supply company that creates music and sells it to video production houses and television stations, etc. it would really be hard to make sure all the smoke went out that fan in the window. Mostly because smoke rises and a lot of it would not get captured by the window exhaust fan but it’s worth a try.
Very good video. I am designing my cigar lounge in a portion of my unfinished basement. Since there are vents all around the basement I will use the ACInfinity 8” fan also and probably 2 off the Purifans. I will get the make up air from the larger portion of the remaining basement. It is humid here in the summer, winters are not bad. I will close off all the existing wall vents except the the 8” fan and make up air. With all your research do you have any thoughts?
I am pretty confident that you have it covered. I have found that with the amount of air you will be moving it should be able to create negative pressure as you describe. The only problem I can picture now is that the Purifans will create airflow patterns that may divert some smoke away from your ventilation fan vent. If so, you may find that you can run just one of the Purifans while you are smoking then turn it back on when you are done for an hour or so. Worst case you may have to not run any Purifan, while you are smoking but I doubt that will happen. It is hard to visualize airflow without doing some smoke testing. Two ways to do that. Tried and true is to just smoke a cigar and move around the room to see where the smoke wants to go. Ideally you could install the ventilation fan first and try it. that may help you determine the best locations for the Purifans. Alternatively, you can buy some smoke bombs an Amazon and elsewhere. They produces smoke for, typically, three minutes. You can shoot video of it to have as a reference in designing your airflow. either way my feeling is that it will be easier than you expect. Good Luck! and let me know how it turns out.
@@arwin10w what an excellent response and I really appreciate you taking the time to go into that detail. Keep the videos coming, I like your style. Thank you again
Hello Sir , great set up. Thank you for sharing . Just wondering ,what if the weather is hot and you were to add an air conditioner to your room. Since your ventilation is sucking out the air including cool air if air conditioner is installed. What is the size of the air conditioner you need for the room with your current ventilation set up ?
I have a 3 ton two-stage heat pump that heats and cools my house. It is able to supply all the cool air I need. The exhaust fan pulls out air faster than the air conditioner can supply it thereby keeping the room at a negative pressure. Therefore no smoke leaves the room other than through the exhaust fan.
Nice install! Great father and son project. Might I suggest considering an HRV "Heat recovery Vent" or ARV, which recaptures 50% of the exhausted heat or cold. It's a Coloplast cube constructed such that successively laminated square sheets have their channels positioned perpendicularly. As heat goes in one side of the cube, it conducts it to the opposing air in the neighbouring perpendicularly oriented channels. That ceiling fan filter had the feature of removing dead air spots in the room which is helpful to avoid stratification. Occasionally, an ozone generator could be run overnight to saturate all the inaccessible cubbies and cabinet crevices where particulate may have settled if it escaped from the exhaust flow. A portable room fan could assist in distributing the ozone. Block the A/C vents for the duration. Exhaust the air thoroughly prior to occupation. No pets. The A/C return above the French door seems to be a simple pass-through vent expelling directly into the hallway. It might benefit from a filter. The A/C could be turned off or close its vent while smoking to reduce the chance of smoke being pushed out of the return vent into the house. While actively pressurizing the room when operating the A/C, it's possible a filter with enough density placed over the return vent could offer additional assistance by keeping the smoke inside while operating the new fan. Whether the room pressure is much lessened, or even completely reversed, when operating the new fan depends on knowing the CFM of the A/C.
You are correct that know the required CFM of air flow is critical. I used an ozone generator at first but I fine it is not needed . I will probably run it once a year now. I had considered an ARV but, it seems excessive in this case. Also I have never had any smoke escape from this room into the house. It all gets exhausted. I can even leave the doors open and no smoke escapes. It is all exhausted.
As you are creating a negative air pressure in the room how do you replace the air into the room and maintain the proper temperature? To properly do this one needs to instal a makeup air system as what one finds in restaurant exhaust systems in the kitchen. Now you have to incorporate a heating / cooling system to condition the air coming into the room that would be located inside the make up air system. Considering the cubic feet you are dealing with something like the 9000 btu split air handlers would suffice with proper modification. The problem with this is the cost. In the USA they are stupid expensive. Here in the EU a 9000 btu inverter style split system will set you back around 300 euro for a cheap unit. A multilayer pre filter would be required for the intake air which could easily be constructed in the states but a pain here for us since homes do not use forced air heat. In the states we had traditional forced air heat and it’s not a problem to source filters at your Lowes or Home Depot store. Wish I had access to that filter media here in Europe, would make keeping the house clean from dust. I really love your room setup. It is a quiet comfort zone where one can unwind from a busy day or week in total solitude.
In my case it is much less complicated. The exhaust fan creates negative pressure by a significant margin. I am exhausting 900 cfm. When the air handler kicks on suppling cool or warm air it is only moving 70 cfm. Hardly noticeable. The open plenum above the doors and the space under the door allow enough makeup air in when the fan is running so that is never a problem. No smoke ever leaves the room other than through the exhaust fan. Many people have asked about makeup air but it has never been an issue. By the way; makeup air requirements are often imposed by building codes for a variety os reasons, not all of them are necessary in the type of space we are talking about. I live in a very warm location and my HVAC system can handle this all without fail. I will say that is an important consideration though. If your existing system is marginal you may see a deficit in heating and cooling. Thank you for your comment.
Loved the video and the detail provided. Since the exhaust fan system really takes care of the smoke, is the filtering on the ceiling fan actually necessary? How often must you change these filters and how much do they cost?
The filtering ceiling fan is really not required but it does speed up the smoke removal a little. I think in most cases only an exhaust fan is needed. in my case I installed the ceiling fan air purifier first and felt it was not quite enough so I added the exhause fan. I only run the exhaust fand whenI am smoking. When I am done I turn that down to a low setting and turn on the purifier for the night. I and 18 months in without changing filters yet.The filters are $65-85.
I'd like to know your thoughts on any negative impact of Not having duct AC or heat in my bourbon/wine room, almost exactly the same size as yours (1,480 CF), in my house in Montana. Maybe better as no return and the smoke can't escape the room via a duct AC/heat system? My room is in basement. I do have thermal mass radiant floor heat in concrete slab. I plan on doing the same thing, ceiling fan and exhaust fan. I have a window to exterior wall. My thoughts are to install a through wall or window exhaust fan, likely with motor on outside to minimize noise. Walls will be wood with chinking, like an old saloon. Any recommendations or general thoughts appreciated. Thank you.
If you can maintain appropriate temperatures for your cigars, 65 - 75 degrees F. most of the time as well as maintaining the proper humidity for them, then I see no problem. You may need to supply some kind of fresh air inlet, depending on how air tight your basement may be. You have to be able to maintain negative air pressure in the room, not only to contain smoke but to aid in removing it. I worked on many basement remodels growing up in the construction business Maine, which has a similar climate to yours. Supplying makeup air to help remove the cigarette smoke was a common issue there. The radiant heat in the floor is, IMHO, an ideal situation because it does not create any airflow patterns that may be counter productive. Good Luck! I like your thinking.
I enjoyed the video, thanks. I have a question. In a previous house I had a proper cigar room designed much as you use here. In my current house (I downsized) I opted to go for a shed that I finished the interior on. Much smaller than the previous room, but as you said, 30-degree winters and 100-degree summers are no good. My question. I find that when you are pulling air from a room, it has to be replaced from air from somewhere. This is usually outside. Being that your room is a part of the house, this may not be the case. Have you had to deal with the issue of temperature controlling the replacement air? If I'm pulling air from the room at a rate of 20x an hour and pulling in air from the outside at a similar rate, it kind of introduces the problem of comfort once again. In my case, if I turn on my ceiling vent fan, and suck in cold air from the outside, The heat is constantly running and of course I'm throwing dollars away. Likewise, in the summertime when I'm running A/C and pulling in hot air to replace the exhausted smoke-filled air. Ideas? Suggestions? May be none, but figured I'd ask all the same.
It is a valid and often asked question. In the case of a smoking room in a house it is much easier to deal with because there is a large conditioned space, the house, to pull makeup air in from.In a shed your on'y option may be to provide a way for outside air to create the negative air space. It may be that you don't need as much makeup air as you think. I don't know if you have used your shed room yet and if so how are you getting access to outside air? It may be that you need less then you think. I do recognize that you are always going to need more Heating and cooling if you are exhausting room air, especially if you are adding outside air. But you really don't need 20x makeup air. You want lees that that so you are in fact exhausting all of the smoke. So part of my answer, respectfully , is that "yes, I would expect you will have added heating & cooling costs when you are exhausting that much air and replacing it with unconditioned air. I am pretty sure even in my house that I am spending a little more to keep that room comfortable. I would try a small opening to introduce outside air. Maybe something low like the space underneath a door or a small vent near the floor. This might help with the air flow pattern as well optimizing the smoke removal. I wish I didn't have to say this but, it may take a little trial and error to get it right. Although I believe it a scientific approach, doing a complete air flow analysis etc. would be costly and likely disappointing. So try a few different methods and watch the smoke exhaust as well as the impact on heating/cooling. Good luck and let me know how it works out.
@@arwin10w Heh heh. Yes I've used the shed for about 2 years now. Trial and error are exactly where I am at now. Believe it or not I just suck it up and spare the extra expense. The fan I have installed is not powerful enough to pull smoke from the room. So, I use a simple window fan. I have two windows. I crack one to let fresh air in, and I use the fan in reverse to suck air out in the wintertime. The heating unit just runs, and it keeps up. If the room gets overpowered with smoke, which it does at times, I open a door, and in 2 minutes no more smoke. In the summertime it is much the same, but I use a window AC unit to cool it. No perfect solutions here but hey, it is just a finished shed. No one out here but me, and I can smoke in peace and relative comfort (doing so as I type up this response) ... It's nicely finished, and it gets the job done. Ultimately, I want to install a through the wall ventilation fan with more power near the ceiling. That with a vent with a baffle for intake air near the floor, and I think I will call it done. Thanks for replying.
Really like your video. Do you recommend a size of a system. I have a very small smoke room I build of my bedroom 14x6 height is 8ft. I would love any suggestions.
Yes, absolutely. I believe that oversizing is better than ending up with a system that doesn't get the job done. In your case you might be ok with a 6 inch fan moving 400 cfm. You need 500 CFM for perfection in your case, but 400 could be enough. But, doubling the air flow capacity pretty much doubles the price. So instead of ~$100 it would be ~$200 to get 800 CFM in an eight inch fan. Worth it in my opinion.
Hi , I watched the video about vented the smoke out but will create negative pressure inside the room. how did you bring intake air into the room and what about the heating or cooling of the room ?
I have a 3 ton two-stage heat pump that handles heating and cooling for the whole house. it is able to keep the room comfortable at all times even with the exhaust fan running at full speed. No smoke ever leaves this room other than through the exhaust fan.
Essentially, yes. That is a relatively low ceiling height but the math works the same. So you have 5100 cubic feet. That is a pretty big room so you will need more than 1 exhaust fan since you need to move a minimum of 1700 CFM. So two 8" fans should be enough, since mine moves 900 CFM. Is it possible that the room is not 850 SF? Is 20' by 42" or something?
Yes that is probably the most common concern people have. Mine was asphalt shingles so it was easy. I think that operation took about 15 minutes. We just sealed it with roofing pitch and it has been leak free. You might find a handyman or small roofing contractor that would be willing to install the roof vent for you. Good luck!
I think you can possibly get by with just an exhaust fan if, you are moving enough air. In my case the smoke eater scrubs the air in the room after I am done smoking. If I have company then I run both and it handles it completely.
Yes you can!. It took care of 90% or more of the smoke in my room but not all of the smoke found its way to the Purifan in my case. I would try it first and if it is not efficient enough it is not very expensive to add an exhaust fan.
The purpose of the window fan and later, the exhaust fan I installed in the attic, is to remove smoke(air) from the room. The fan sucks air out of the room and blows it outside removing any smoke that is in the air. The result is that the pressure in the room is lowered compared to the hallway outside the room. That is called negative pressure; when the pressure in the room is lower than an adjoining space. So when you open the door to the cigar room smoke does not flow outside in to the hallway but is flowing towards the exhaust fan instead. Thank you for your question.
It is supplied through an open vent above the French doors as well as underneath the doors. That is adequate to keep the negative pressure in the room.
I subscribe to an online service that provides background music for television videos, movies, etc. so I choose the music there that I feel as appropriate for the video or that I like.
The AC system seems to be able to compensate. However this room has always been a few degrees hotter than the rest of the house. I’m installing a new heat pump this week since my existing system has failed. I will add a second supply line to the cigar room. That should fix the temperature differential plus bring in additional make-up air. However I don’t see that as a problem currently.
Actually, at this point, I am not compensating at all. On a hot day it’s about 3° warmer in that room even without the exhaust fan running on replacing my AC unit and I’m adding an extra supply line and that should equalize it with the rest of the house
@WintersWay makes sense I have a rabbit air to help. I will keep watching. thank you for your content I enjoy the music and the room as you do your videos
I have a 8" hyperfan mounted on a sheet of plywood that I can insert into my window on my heated sun porch for the winter, when I'm done I just take the setup out and works great at exhausting the smoke.
I went with two 12” AC Infinity fans and no scrubbing.
The most overlooked step (for a lot of people) is cleaning ashtrays.
I’ve considered getting a Rabbit Air for a few years and it doesn’t seem necessary.
You are so correct. I put something called Wiff Out and a little bit of sand in my large ashtrays so if I forget to empty them at night, I don’t really smell the ash in the morning just the perfume smell from the whiff out..
What an amazing room! Thanks for making this detailed video.
I smoke inside my home, in the living room, usually have the windows all opened and have a Rabbit Air purifier on full blast 😅
What a great video. As a younger cigar smoker who has been using only one air purifier as a ventilation system in my smoking room, I found this to be invaluable information. I have the exact same requirement as you and have met every problem that you listed. Now I know exactly what to do. Thank you kind sir! 🙏
I'm in Texas now. In my garage. Smoking a Cigar. Wearing my Army Winter Parka. It's 13• out right now. I'm comfy
Great Video on ventilation! Love the wood work!
Glad you like it!
Helped a ton and those inline duct fans are cheap. They even make ones with wifi control
I considered the Wi-Fi option but in the end, elected to go with the push button control included with the fan. The major driver there was the proliferation of remote controls in my cigar lounge. I have one for the TV, one for the fireplace, and a light controller. Additionally I have two others I use when shooting video. Thank you for watching!
@@arwin10w I was originally planning on doing my small office, but I've decided to turn my den area with a preexisting bar into the lounge. Going to install a 10" vent to move 1500 CFM 😅 But I can fit a pool table, chairs, couch and dining table in there.
Very nice, I need one of these..
Yes you do
A great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Love the ideas for the fan at the end. Do you use an ozone generator at all?
I was using an Ozone generator early on but a friend from the cleanup industry informed me that the ozone can degrade some common materials, namely rubber and other synthetics, which are found in carpet backing and in many furnishings. I confirmed this with some research. I have since found that I really don't need it.
very informative video and plan to us much of this to equip my small room lounge! Has anything changed since this content was posted? Is everything still working well? I noticed a wooden ceiling vs sheetrock....is sheetrock contra-indicated in a smoke room? thks in advance for any replies
Everything is working very well. I have had no problems. I chose wood for the walls and ceilings for esthetic effect. I wanted an old English pub or library vibe and the dark wood tones really accomplished that. Sheetrock is harder to clean so an I also felt the wood was easier to keep clean. However, since the ventilation is working, so well, I get very little residue on the ceiling. Only a little bit around the exhaust vent. I have helped a few people set up their smoking rooms in their houses and they have sheet rock there seems to be no problems. Thanks for the comments. Good luck!
Do you think it’s a good idea to put both an air filter & smoke eater plus a exhaust fan?
Where did the makeup air come from, and how did you account for the additional 6 tons of air conditioning required to cool it from Texas air at 95F to 75F?
I have a 3 ton, two stage heat pump that handles the HVAC in my house. Make up error supplied by an open vent on the transom above the double French doors. Additionally, air can enter under the door. I believe it would be a mistake to block the opportunity for air to come in around the door as I need to keep negative air pressure in that room. Many of these houses in Texas that have been built in recent years do not have return ductwork they simply use the whole house as a return air Plenum so all of the rooms have this open vent above the doors that just opens up into the hallways, etc. I previously had a 2 1/2 ton system in this house, and it was really challenged moving enough air into this room since I had to replace the system when it failed I elected to go with a slightly larger system and it solved that problem. Thank you for your interest.
Whats the ceiling fan called which you have?
Purifan. shop.purifan.com/collections/frontpage
what type of barrier did you use to seal the doors? Thank you!
I actually didn’t seal the doors. In my case I wanted air to enter the room underneath the doors to help create the negative pressure within the room. Think of it like driving a car and opening the window on the passenger side. Certainly some air will escape. Now crack the window on the driver’s side a little bit. You will feel air flowing across your face. It’s the same idea with venting smoke. You to let some air come in to replace the air being exhausted by the fan. If you creat good cross ventilation you won’t need to seal anything, just let the fan create the airflow to exhaust all the smoke.
I don't see any responses to the many questions you have been asked. Why is that?
I have been traveling but am catching up now. My apologies. Also I am overwhelmed with the response. Didn’t see that coming.
What song is that playing in the background?
It’s just a generic background bed from an online music service that I subscribe to.
@@arwin10w 🙏🏿 it's a nice track to smoke to
Best way ... Lose the Old Lady ! 🤪🤱
Then who would wash the whiskey glasses and empty the ash trays?
@@arwin10w my immigrant 18 yr old live - in maid of course 👩
Lol hoe much smoke at 6:18
I know. oops. Unfortunately the in so way to edit it once it is posted. Thanks for point it out.
Do you think it’s a good idea to put both an air filter & smoke eater plus a exhaust fan?
I do for maximum odor removal. You may only need to run the smoke eater after smoking to clean the air.
wow, what a great set up. Sure beats sitting in my garage with a space heater in Canada.
great video, thank you for sharing!
Expertly executed my good sir! As a professional HVAC design engineer, I love seeing these videos of people doing their own cigar room ventilation!
You think a high cfm bathroom exhaust would work in a 10x10 room?
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ Yes. You want a minimum of 6 air changes per hour (ACPH), but I recommend 20 ACPH. Assuming your ceiling height is 9 feet, this is our equation:
(60*CFM) / (10’x10’x9’) = ACPH
300 CFM will get you 20 ACPH. Should be very easy to find. For example, Home Depot sells a model called “Delta Breez 300 CFM.
If you have any other questions lemme know.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ I just posted my question, but I can tell you from experience... NOPE. I tried to use one on a 10x16 shed and just doesn't move the air... really at all. I think the cigar smoke is much heavier than the water vapor they are designed to effectively move.
@@elvdell5582 I've moved on to grow tent exhausts which are much cheaper.
@@elvdell5582 I agree, it will not be sufficient. The reason is simply lack of air flow. I measured a bathroom fan and it moved 70 cfm. less than 10% of what you would need to remove enough smoke. Cigar smoke is somewhere between 7 and 12% more dense than dry air, which is more dense that moist air. Yes I know, it's counter intuitive.So you are correct, smoke is much heavier)higher density) than moist air.
I’ve been smoking cigars in my living room. My ventilation system is a bit less sophisticated. It consists of me walking over and opening up a window. Hah
I installed a 12 inch attic fan on my man cave and within 5 minutes you can't smell any of my cigar smoke
Perfect. A 12" fan can move a serious amount of smoke!
Awesome project and super informative video. Thanks for posting it. 😤
Hoe much smoke. Lol
Awesome video! Thank you! I'm an occasional pipe smoker and have been wanting to make a room in my house for smoking.
I just got mine done, used a 10" infinity fan in a 3k³ ft room. The room will smell no matter what but the air is clean and the rest of the house isn't effected. Pulls a negative pressure with the HVAC running so room stays cool.
Well done. I'm glad to hear it is working. The room itself will accumilate some cigar odors over time but as long as it is contained within the room, we don't get complaints.
Awesome video. Very easy instructions and recommendations with details! I am looking to do the same project. Thank you sir!
You are welcome!
Hoe much smoke got me 😂 6:32
san antonio baby!!!
I bought an 8" fan for a 12x15 room, and a 12" ceiling vent, do you think that's large enough for the room to evacuate smoke through? Im also going to purchase the smoke eater ceiling fan and use that too. If I still smell any smoke I'll get the air purifier also. Just wondering if the vent fan was large enough? Yours looks like its maybe a 12x12 ceiling vent too
Well done, Sir. Your room has become my primary guide for creating my own, which is nearly identical in dimensions. I currently have a Vornado window exhaust and a Levoit HEPA filter purifier, but they are not up high in the room. I'm considering adding an AC Infinity shutter exhaust fan in an upper corner venting directly through the wall to outside. It's rated at 830 CFM, so it should do the job. The exterior fascia is vinyl siding, posing the challenge of how to achieve a proper weather seal. I'll get it sorted.
My first attempt was was a Vornado window fan, and for the reason you described it was not adequate. I’m sure you will figure out how to exhaust the fan through the wall.
Awesome setup!! As an HVAC designer the first priority is exhausting the air and smoke to the outside. If you are worried about comfort then a make-up air system to bring in fresh air that is climate controlled. Last would be a filter system for any remaining odor.
Hoe much smoke? LOL
Cigars, guitars, and drinks. You're definitely the coolest guy i know.
Wow, thanks!
Nice room really great video. Very thorough and thoughtful. Thanks for explaining everything in great detail.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom concerning this.
Thank you!
My new Hero! My dream is to have a proper ventilated beautiful decor cigar room, such as yours with bourbons and scotch display. Thank You for the great information . I will continue to follow you and your pairings. Cigar Family… Texas Pride!
Thank you very much!
Very informative. My wife and I will be building a house next year and I'm seriously considering a small cigar lounge off of the laundry room. I had imagined the cost of air purification and ventilation being around 10k so this is a pleasant surprise! By the way, your lounge looks great!
Thank you! I am working on a video where I will depict a low cost method for converting a room to a cigar lounge. I am thinking of less than $500. Now that is only the cost of the ventilation system. For a small room it can be done in that price range, in most cases. Decor and furnishings would be an additional cost of course.
@@arwin10w Awesome! I'd love to check it out. Thanks for the information!
Fellow texan here! Thanks for this informative video!@@arwin10w
@@digitaldreamdisc1312giddy up buddy!!!!
oh i'm so forwarding this video to my wife!!!
beautiful cigar/whiskey room!!! one day I’ll build one in japan!
As a cigar smoker I know that my nose is not as sensitive to cigar smoke as it once was. It worries me that I could go thru the effort to build a room that a non-smoker ie. Wife or kids would still smell the smoke. Do you have any exceptionally sensitive noses in your house? And how do they feel about air quality?
I would not be able to smoke in that room, if the smoke left the room and could be detected anywhere else in the house. that has not been a problem. The ventilation system takes care of all of the smoke. In fact, if you walk into this room five minutes after I’ve smoked, you will not smell cigar smoke.
I bought an 8" fan for a 12x15 room, and a 12" ceiling vent, do you think that's large enough for the room to evacuate smoke through? Im also going to purchase the smoke eater ceiling fan and use that too. If I still smell any smoke I'll get the air purifier also. Just wondering if the vent fan was large enough? Yours looks like its maybe a 12x12 ceiling vent too
I think an 8" fan would would work. Assuming you get 900 cfm through the 8" duct, you will get approximately 25 air changes an hour, which should handle the smoke pretty well. If it comes up short you can add the air purifier as well. My vent grill opening is 10"x10". Then it reduces and transitions from 10" square to 8" round. The transitions is reversed at the roof damper.
I copied your advice. I have a back unattached garage (mancave). Changed both my ceiling fans to the Purifan hepa/carbon filter system. I also installed the AC Infinity inline 8" Pro in my attic to exhaust smoke from inside my mancave. This sytem works amazing!! That exhaust fan can draw so much air out and fast that it causes negative air pressure in my garage. This is great but when you open the door for someone to come in or out, you hear the air swoosh and the door is hard to shut! How did you balance your room for this issue? I live in MN so having an open window in the winter to let in outside air may not be a great idea. I also have guitars in there so letting the humidity level drastically change fast is not good! Any advice would be great, thank you!
I would try running the exhaust fan at a lower speed as a first remedy. It sounds like you have a vacuum as opposed to slightly negative pressure in the room.
In my case the entry to my room is from the hallway adjacent to my front door. The french doors leading to my room are not tight so I get plenty of makeup air from underneath the doors as well as from a vent above the doors. Your issue, as you stated, is that you are in a cold climate so you don't want outside makeup air because it will bring in too much cold air. If slowing the fan down is not adequate you may have to add some kind of adjustable vent ot the outside. It may be that you don't need to bring a large amount of air to solve the balance issue. And if you can place the makeup air vent far enough away from your sitting area, it may be acceptable. Or if you have a double hung widow try pulling the top down a little. Good luck and let me know how it works out.
After you installed the in-line fan, did you find that the window fan wasn't necessary? I'm creating a cigar room for my father and trying to avoid the temperature fluctuations. Would the scrubber + in-line be enough? I know I could add a heater/cooling unit to offset the heat/air being pulled out of the room, but I'm trying my best to avoid that if at all possible.
Yes I did.I eliminated the window fan immediately. The scrubber and in-line handle 100% of the smoke and residual odor. It is likely that you will not need to modify your HVAC system. I have found this is true in most cases. I will suggest that there may be a temperature differential between teh smoking room and the rest of the house once you start pulling that much air out. In my case it is 1-2 degrees after the exhaust fan has been running for 2 hours or more. So if it 71 in the rest of the house it may be 73 in my smoking room. I don't believe that is all due to the exhaust fan. I think that room has always varied from the rest of the house particularly in the very hot days we have here in Texas. So my guess is that you won't have to make any modifications to you heating/cooling system, and if you do, it may be as simple as balancing the air through vent adjustments.
Good luck! Your father will enjoy it!
How well has the purifan held up? Do you still like it? Does it still do an excellent job? I'm looking into buying one, but I don't want to spend the money on it if it's not worth it! Great video by the way! Very informative!!
The Purifan does an excellent job. I changed the filters after two years recently and there was black smoke residue on every layer of the filters. Like all air purifiers it depends on all of the smoke getting sucked into teh filter. That is pretty much impossible. In my case the Purifan captured 95% of the smoke. If I had to chose one, I would go with an exhaust fan instead. In my case I have both, which is great when I have 4 or 5 people in there smoking.
Very nice build and thank you for going through your process. I'm currently following your footsteps and going through the same process. I have opted for 2x AC Infinity fans as I plan to have around 4-5 people join me bi-weekly. Can you share any insight in terms of how you addressed the negative air pressure in the room? Did you add a passive vent somewhere so as the exhaust fan create a negative pressure, it is pulling fresher air from an adjacent room?
The Infinity fan moves enough air to create negative pressure. There is a pass through vent above the door, as there is in every room in the house. This provides plenty of make up air so the room stays negative. It pulls air in from the hallway. When the fan is not running this vent acts as a return to the HVAC air handler. So in effect it reverses the airflow.
Excellent video. Question ... rather than have an online fan I was thinking of going directly out of an exterior wall. Wonder your thoughts.
You can certainly do that, and it intake for the inline is high enough it should work fine. Because smoke rises it is best to mount it as high as you can on the wall. Originally I tried a fan in a widow but it was too low and most of the smoke missed it.
Excellent and helpful video. Really liked how detailed you were about the installation and components you chose. Thank you for posting it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video. And may I say that your room looks fantastic as well! Nice work!
Thanks so much!
A room to be proud of, for sure🎉
Much thanks for ur kind effort taking some time sharing your beneficial experience .
if you have an exhaust fan, don't you need an intake to introduce air back in?
No , it creates a “vacuum” so that no smoke escapes the room. If you pump air into the room you’d risk creating positive pressure in the room which would push smoke out in ways you wouldn’t want
Correct!
Awesome video, and awsome room
My question is ... Will you come install one of these in my home please? 😂
Probably not. But I will wish you the best of luck!
Awesome explanation of what you done. I have already installed an 8” exhaust but don’t like it and it’s got a terrible whine, didn’t know of a silencer. Great information, thanks again!
Thank you. Glad it helped. The silencer looks like a car muffler. It's just a tube with egg crate insulation around the inside circumference.
Love the background music ❤
Love your lounge. I do my smoking under my backyard gazebo all four season. I have a ceiling mounted fan for warm weather. I zip up the side curtains and use a propane heater in cold weather. I really want to build a cigar and bourbon lounge in the back corner of my basement. Hopefully the money manager will fork over the money to do so..
I'm in Louisiana, thanks for this info.
Glad to help
Hoe much smoke lol
Wow what a great informative and detailed video. Thank you for putting that together.
That is a gorgeous whiskey/cigar lounge my friend. Well done.
Thank you kindly!
Just loving this video based on your music choice alone omg
The rest is golden too.
Thank you.
By any chance may I ask for the title of the first song in the video?
And would sitting by the window with a fan blowing out the window, and blowing my smokes into the fan from behind do the trick?
The music is from a generic music supply company that creates music and sells it to video production houses and television stations, etc. it would really be hard to make sure all the smoke went out that fan in the window. Mostly because smoke rises and a lot of it would not get captured by the window exhaust fan but it’s worth a try.
That's the UA-cam I want. Thanks for sharing.
You are very welcome!
Great explanation! I have a similar setup. Great video
Cool, thanks!
Can I use the same formula for weed smoke?
Yes!
Very good video. I am designing my cigar lounge in a portion of my unfinished basement. Since there are vents all around the basement I will use the ACInfinity 8” fan also and probably 2 off the Purifans. I will get the make up air from the larger portion of the remaining basement. It is humid here in the summer, winters are not bad. I will close off all the existing wall vents except the the 8” fan and make up air. With all your research do you have any thoughts?
I am pretty confident that you have it covered. I have found that with the amount of air you will be moving it should be able to create negative pressure as you describe. The only problem I can picture now is that the Purifans will create airflow patterns that may divert some smoke away from your ventilation fan vent. If so, you may find that you can run just one of the Purifans while you are smoking then turn it back on when you are done for an hour or so. Worst case you may have to not run any Purifan, while you are smoking but I doubt that will happen. It is hard to visualize airflow without doing some smoke testing. Two ways to do that. Tried and true is to just smoke a cigar and move around the room to see where the smoke wants to go. Ideally you could install the ventilation fan first and try it. that may help you determine the best locations for the Purifans. Alternatively, you can buy some smoke bombs an Amazon and elsewhere. They produces smoke for, typically, three minutes. You can shoot video of it to have as a reference in designing your airflow. either way my feeling is that it will be easier than you expect. Good Luck! and let me know how it turns out.
@@arwin10w what an excellent response and I really appreciate you taking the time to go into that detail. Keep the videos coming, I like your style. Thank you again
Hello Sir , great set up. Thank you for sharing . Just wondering ,what if the weather is hot and you were to add an air conditioner to your room. Since your ventilation is sucking out the air including cool air if air conditioner is installed. What is the size of the air conditioner you need for the room with your current ventilation set up ?
I have a 3 ton two-stage heat pump that heats and cools my house. It is able to supply all the cool air I need. The exhaust fan pulls out air faster than the air conditioner can supply it thereby keeping the room at a negative pressure. Therefore no smoke leaves the room other than through the exhaust fan.
Nice install! Great father and son project.
Might I suggest considering an HRV "Heat recovery Vent" or ARV, which recaptures 50% of the exhausted heat or cold. It's a Coloplast cube constructed such that successively laminated square sheets have their channels positioned perpendicularly. As heat goes in one side of the cube, it conducts it to the opposing air in the neighbouring perpendicularly oriented channels.
That ceiling fan filter had the feature of removing dead air spots in the room which is helpful to avoid stratification. Occasionally, an ozone generator could be run overnight to saturate all the inaccessible cubbies and cabinet crevices where particulate may have settled if it escaped from the exhaust flow. A portable room fan could assist in distributing the ozone. Block the A/C vents for the duration. Exhaust the air thoroughly prior to occupation. No pets.
The A/C return above the French door seems to be a simple pass-through vent expelling directly into the hallway. It might benefit from a filter. The A/C could be turned off or close its vent while smoking to reduce the chance of smoke being pushed out of the return vent into the house.
While actively pressurizing the room when operating the A/C, it's possible a filter with enough density placed over the return vent could offer additional assistance by keeping the smoke inside while operating the new fan. Whether the room pressure is much lessened, or even completely reversed, when operating the new fan depends on knowing the CFM of the A/C.
You are correct that know the required CFM of air flow is critical. I used an ozone generator at first but I fine it is not needed . I will probably run it once a year now. I had considered an ARV but, it seems excessive in this case. Also I have never had any smoke escape from this room into the house. It all gets exhausted. I can even leave the doors open and no smoke escapes. It is all exhausted.
The dedication and attention to detail is impressive. Hats off to you mate 🎩
Thank you so much 😀
If you're looking for that specific a purity of filtering. I'd have just started smoking next to a running vacuum cleaner.
But the noise! It would make me angry.
As you are creating a negative air pressure in the room how do you replace the air into the room and maintain the proper temperature? To properly do this one needs to instal a makeup air system as what one finds in restaurant exhaust systems in the kitchen. Now you have to incorporate a heating / cooling system to condition the air coming into the room that would be located inside the make up air system. Considering the cubic feet you are dealing with something like the 9000 btu split air handlers would suffice with proper modification. The problem with this is the cost. In the USA they are stupid expensive. Here in the EU a 9000 btu inverter style split system will set you back around 300 euro for a cheap unit. A multilayer pre filter would be required for the intake air which could easily be constructed in the states but a pain here for us since homes do not use forced air heat. In the states we had traditional forced air heat and it’s not a problem to source filters at your Lowes or Home Depot store. Wish I had access to that filter media here in Europe, would make keeping the house clean from dust.
I really love your room setup. It is a quiet comfort zone where one can unwind from a busy day or week in total solitude.
In my case it is much less complicated. The exhaust fan creates negative pressure by a significant margin. I am exhausting 900 cfm. When the air handler kicks on suppling cool or warm air it is only moving 70 cfm. Hardly noticeable. The open plenum above the doors and the space under the door allow enough makeup air in when the fan is running so that is never a problem. No smoke ever leaves the room other than through the exhaust fan. Many people have asked about makeup air but it has never been an issue. By the way; makeup air requirements are often imposed by building codes for a variety os reasons, not all of them are necessary in the type of space we are talking about. I live in a very warm location and my HVAC system can handle this all without fail. I will say that is an important consideration though. If your existing system is marginal you may see a deficit in heating and cooling.
Thank you for your comment.
❤❤😂 💥 great review!!
Thank you!! 😁
Loved the video and the detail provided. Since the exhaust fan system really takes care of the smoke, is the filtering on the ceiling fan actually necessary? How often must you change these filters and how much do they cost?
The filtering ceiling fan is really not required but it does speed up the smoke removal a little. I think in most cases only an exhaust fan is needed. in my case I installed the ceiling fan air purifier first and felt it was not quite enough so I added the exhause fan. I only run the exhaust fand whenI am smoking. When I am done I turn that down to a low setting and turn on the purifier for the night. I and 18 months in without changing filters yet.The filters are $65-85.
Thanks for your gread video! (I only wonder why every youtubi needs music in the background it is so so disturbing!!!). Otherwise great work!!
I’m a musician I can’t help myself. But you are not the only one who has has found it distracting. I will do better. Thank you.
Would this work just as effectively for other types of smoke, for example cannabis?
Great question and yes it would. In fact, the particular in-line that are used is marketed to the hydroponic marijuana growing industry.
I'd like to know your thoughts on any negative impact of Not having duct AC or heat in my bourbon/wine room, almost exactly the same size as yours (1,480 CF), in my house in Montana. Maybe better as no return and the smoke can't escape the room via a duct AC/heat system? My room is in basement. I do have thermal mass radiant floor heat in concrete slab. I plan on doing the same thing, ceiling fan and exhaust fan. I have a window to exterior wall. My thoughts are to install a through wall or window exhaust fan, likely with motor on outside to minimize noise. Walls will be wood with chinking, like an old saloon. Any recommendations or general thoughts appreciated. Thank you.
If you can maintain appropriate temperatures for your cigars, 65 - 75 degrees F. most of the time as well as maintaining the proper humidity for them, then I see no problem. You may need to supply some kind of fresh air inlet, depending on how air tight your basement may be. You have to be able to maintain negative air pressure in the room, not only to contain smoke but to aid in removing it. I worked on many basement remodels growing up in the construction business Maine, which has a similar climate to yours. Supplying makeup air to help remove the cigarette smoke was a common issue there. The radiant heat in the floor is, IMHO, an ideal situation because it does not create any airflow patterns that may be counter productive. Good Luck! I like your thinking.
I enjoyed the video, thanks. I have a question. In a previous house I had a proper cigar room designed much as you use here. In my current house (I downsized) I opted to go for a shed that I finished the interior on. Much smaller than the previous room, but as you said, 30-degree winters and 100-degree summers are no good. My question. I find that when you are pulling air from a room, it has to be replaced from air from somewhere. This is usually outside. Being that your room is a part of the house, this may not be the case. Have you had to deal with the issue of temperature controlling the replacement air? If I'm pulling air from the room at a rate of 20x an hour and pulling in air from the outside at a similar rate, it kind of introduces the problem of comfort once again. In my case, if I turn on my ceiling vent fan, and suck in cold air from the outside, The heat is constantly running and of course I'm throwing dollars away. Likewise, in the summertime when I'm running A/C and pulling in hot air to replace the exhausted smoke-filled air. Ideas? Suggestions? May be none, but figured I'd ask all the same.
It is a valid and often asked question. In the case of a smoking room in a house it is much easier to deal with because there is a large conditioned space, the house, to pull makeup air in from.In a shed your on'y option may be to provide a way for outside air to create the negative air space. It may be that you don't need as much makeup air as you think. I don't know if you have used your shed room yet and if so how are you getting access to outside air? It may be that you need less then you think. I do recognize that you are always going to need more Heating and cooling if you are exhausting room air, especially if you are adding outside air. But you really don't need 20x makeup air. You want lees that that so you are in fact exhausting all of the smoke. So part of my answer, respectfully , is that "yes, I would expect you will have added heating & cooling costs when you are exhausting that much air and replacing it with unconditioned air. I am pretty sure even in my house that I am spending a little more to keep that room comfortable. I would try a small opening to introduce outside air. Maybe something low like the space underneath a door or a small vent near the floor. This might help with the air flow pattern as well optimizing the smoke removal. I wish I didn't have to say this but, it may take a little trial and error to get it right. Although I believe it a scientific approach, doing a complete air flow analysis etc. would be costly and likely disappointing. So try a few different methods and watch the smoke exhaust as well as the impact on heating/cooling. Good luck and let me know how it works out.
@@arwin10w Heh heh. Yes I've used the shed for about 2 years now. Trial and error are exactly where I am at now. Believe it or not I just suck it up and spare the extra expense. The fan I have installed is not powerful enough to pull smoke from the room. So, I use a simple window fan. I have two windows. I crack one to let fresh air in, and I use the fan in reverse to suck air out in the wintertime. The heating unit just runs, and it keeps up. If the room gets overpowered with smoke, which it does at times, I open a door, and in 2 minutes no more smoke. In the summertime it is much the same, but I use a window AC unit to cool it. No perfect solutions here but hey, it is just a finished shed. No one out here but me, and I can smoke in peace and relative comfort (doing so as I type up this response) ... It's nicely finished, and it gets the job done. Ultimately, I want to install a through the wall ventilation fan with more power near the ceiling. That with a vent with a baffle for intake air near the floor, and I think I will call it done. Thanks for replying.
Really like your video. Do you recommend a size of a system. I have a very small smoke room I build of my bedroom 14x6 height is 8ft. I would love any suggestions.
Yes, absolutely. I believe that oversizing is better than ending up with a system that doesn't get the job done. In your case you might be ok with a 6 inch fan moving 400 cfm. You need 500 CFM for perfection in your case, but 400 could be enough. But, doubling the air flow capacity pretty much doubles the price. So instead of ~$100 it would be ~$200 to get 800 CFM in an eight inch fan. Worth it in my opinion.
Thank you so much. I look forward to watching more of your video's.
Hi , I watched the video about vented the smoke out but will create negative pressure inside the room. how did you bring intake air into the room and what about the heating or cooling of the room ?
I have a 3 ton two-stage heat pump that handles heating and cooling for the whole house. it is able to keep the room comfortable at all times even with the exhaust fan running at full speed. No smoke ever leaves this room other than through the exhaust fan.
So when you have a duct fan such as what was shown, does the cold air then also get into that particular room from the outside?
It does not, since I’m in Texas. The only cold air comes in through the air conditioning vent.
I HAVE A 850 SQUARE FOOT ROOM WITH CEILING HIEGHT OF 72 INCHES WILL I BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE SAME FORMULA ?
Essentially, yes. That is a relatively low ceiling height but the math works the same. So you have 5100 cubic feet. That is a pretty big room so you will need more than 1 exhaust fan since you need to move a minimum of 1700 CFM. So two 8" fans should be enough, since mine moves 900 CFM. Is it possible that the room is not 850 SF? Is 20' by 42" or something?
Nice setup man!
Thanks for the visit
Now I need to have someone cut my roof. I am afraid I will screw it up and it leak. That and I have composite roof makes it harder
Yes that is probably the most common concern people have. Mine was asphalt shingles so it was easy. I think that operation took about 15 minutes. We just sealed it with roofing pitch and it has been leak free. You might find a handyman or small roofing contractor that would be willing to install the roof vent for you. Good luck!
This was EXCELLENT and I am trying to create the same room in my home here in Colorado. Thank you for such a detailed review and considerations.
You are so welcome!
Do you think it’s a good idea to put both an air filter & smoke eater plus a exhaust fan?
I think you can possibly get by with just an exhaust fan if, you are moving enough air. In my case the smoke eater scrubs the air in the room after I am done smoking. If I have company then I run both and it handles it completely.
I am so interested in the purifan, could i jist use the the purifan without exhaust fan? Great videos keep it up!
Yes you can!. It took care of 90% or more of the smoke in my room but not all of the smoke found its way to the Purifan in my case. I would try it first and if it is not efficient enough it is not very expensive to add an exhaust fan.
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Or just go outside
I diid for a few years but when it is over 100 degrees on my deck I don't enjoy it much.
@@arwin10w that's when it's a good excuse to go visit your local cigar lounge
I do at least twice a week. But I also like to watch a hockey or football game while enjoying a cigar so it is nice to have the in-home lounge.
Please excuse my ignorance. Can you explain the window fan’s purpose and negative affect?
Is the fan blowing out of the room or into the room?
The purpose of the window fan and later, the exhaust fan I installed in the attic, is to remove smoke(air) from the room. The fan sucks air out of the room and blows it outside removing any smoke that is in the air. The result is that the pressure in the room is lowered compared to the hallway outside the room. That is called negative pressure; when the pressure in the room is lower than an adjoining space. So when you open the door to the cigar room smoke does not flow outside in to the hallway but is flowing towards the exhaust fan instead. Thank you for your question.
@@arwin10w ahhh! I see, thank you very much. Excellent videos!
Does the smoke ever get into the home hvac vents and cause odor?
It does not. after a year of use, I opened them up and checked them for odor and solid, residual, smoke particles, etc. and found none
How do you bring in fresh air makeup air?
It is supplied through an open vent above the French doors as well as underneath the doors. That is adequate to keep the negative pressure in the room.
How much noise does the Purifan generate?
50 Db. Exhaust fan 63Db. TV 72 DB.
A very helpful and well made video!
Glad it was helpful!
next up: home lung ventilation video.
What music is that in the intro
I subscribe to an online service that provides background music for television videos, movies, etc. so I choose the music there that I feel as appropriate for the video or that I like.
How are you compensating for heat/Cool loss in the room?
The AC system seems to be able to compensate. However this room has always been a few degrees hotter than the rest of the house. I’m installing a new heat pump this week since my existing system has failed. I will add a second supply line to the cigar room. That should fix the temperature differential plus bring in additional make-up air. However I don’t see that as a problem currently.
Actually, at this point, I am not compensating at all. On a hot day it’s about 3° warmer in that room even without the exhaust fan running on replacing my AC unit and I’m adding an extra supply line and that should equalize it with the rest of the house
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
maybe I can custom do it in my window and have it vent out the window.Hmmmm
As long as you are moving enough air it could be enough. The issue I had was that smoke rises, so much of it was not exhausted through the window fan.
@WintersWay makes sense I have a rabbit air to help. I will keep watching. thank you for your content I enjoy the music and the room as you do your videos
It is possible.
I have a 8" hyperfan mounted on a sheet of plywood that I can insert into my window on my heated sun porch for the winter, when I'm done I just take the setup out and works great at exhausting the smoke.