2 EMERGENCIES simultaneously. Two American Airlines airplanes declared an emergency at Dallas
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2022
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
11-MAY-2022. An American Airlines Boeing 737-800 (B738), registration N959AN, performing flight AAL479 / AA479 from Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, TX (USA) to Los Cabos International Airport (Mexico) after departure reported hydraulic issue, declared an emergency and requested return back to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. When they were on approach frequency the another American Airlines Boeing 737-800 (B738), registration N901NN, performing flight from Colorado Springs Municipal Airport, CO (USA) to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, TX (USA), declared medical emergency and requested paramedic to meet them at the gate.
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AAL479: Departure, American 479, with you out of 2500 for 10000.
DEPARTURE: American 479, Regional Departure, radar contact, good morning.
AAL479: Good morning.
AAL479: Departure, American 479, we're having a minor issue. I’d like to level at 5000 for a moment.
DEPARTURE: American 479, roger, maintain 5000. Are you gonna continue on the track outbound?
AAL479: Yeah, we’ll continue for now.
DEPARTURE: Roger, just let me know what you need and when you need it.
AAL479: Will do, thanks.
AAL479: Approach, American 479, we’re gonna go ahead and declare an emergency and like to return back to Dallas-Fort Worth, 18R.
DEPARTURE: American 479, roger, when able, type of emergency, souls on board and fuel remaining in minutes. And what you need?
AAL479: Alright, we just need… land. We’ve got a 168 souls on board. We got 255 minutes of fuel and slight hydraulic problem.
DEPARTURE: American 479, if… doesn't work out, does straight into 13R work for you?
AAL479: Yeah, that will work as well.
DEPARTURE: American 479, roger, you can plan on that. Let me get a final word from the first controller working that side. And for now you’re cleared to DFW via radar vectors, Fly heading 310 and maintain 5000.
AAL479: 310, 5000, American 479.
DEPARTURE: And American 479, you’re gonna need to burn out some gas or you’re gonna just try for straight in?
AAL479: No… 479… straight in.
DEPARTURE: Roger.
AAL479: …
DEPARTURE: American 479, contact Approach on 118.1, they’ll get you in as soon as they can.
AAL479: 118.1, American 479.
APPROACH: American 479, Approach.
AAL479: Go ahead, for American 479, sorry about that.
APPROACH: American 479, fly heading 340, maintain 5000, expect ILS for RW 13R.
AAL479: Okay, heading 340, 5000 and we’ll expect 13R, ILS, American 479.
APPROACH: American 479, how long of a final do you need?
AAL479: We just need to get in there as soon as we can.
APPROACH: Okay, roger, I’ll wrap you in then.
AAL479: Thank you.
APPROACH: American 479, fly heading 350.
AAL479: Heading 350, American 479.
APPROACH: American 479, descend and maintain 4000.
AAL479: 4000, American 479.
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At 6:15 you can see just how good that controller is. He told 2788 to speed up, in fact to fly as fast as is allowed under 10,000 feet, in order to get him down before the mechanical emergency. After a mechanical emergency lands, the runway needs to be closed for inspection.
👍 Thanks for your comment.
That's is good information.👍 I would have thought that mechanical emergencies would get priority in this scenario, but I have zero experience.
@@e.l.9589 It depends on the nature of the emergency. A hydraulic problem isn't urgent as long as more than one hydraulic system isn't affected, as all the flight controls are actuated by two. An engine failure would be urgent, but not extremely. Flight control failure or bingo fuel is extremely urgent. Landing gear failure (won't extend) is just the opposite, you'd need to fly around for a while and burn off fuel to make yourself as light as possible.
@@KingdaToro Thank You!✌
@@KingdaToro not only that but they were still in the 5 minute window they asked for when the medical emergency was called.
I worked for several years in that Approach controllers airspace and he always does an excellent job, even at peak times with high traffic volume & congested frequencies. Great job here as well.
Thank you 😁👍
thanks, that's me
@@kkap895 No, it’s me.
@@MrPomelo555 you sure?
@@kkap895 No. Are you?
Wow. TWO emergencies simultaneously and he still spoke as though it was just another day at the office YAWN!
Well done by the controllers. They made sure both flights had what they needed and didn't get them mixed up. That can't be easy to do and they handled the situation flawlessly.
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Great job
Well done ATC. You don't get dueling emergencies very often. I venture to say that may be very rare and even more rare the same airline.
been many years ago but I had 3. several years before that, 2 you never forget those.
Well the odds are pretty high for them to be American Airlines in Dallas, since it is a hub
@@ITME.1you use the term odds wrong. Lower odds means higher possibility and vice versa.
Even thouugh the planning for coming back was a bit off, I really admired how the pilots of AA479 were so polite and thanked the controller for his assistance
I think it's actually being overdone a bit here, no need to continuously thank the controller so much for the help and congesting the frequency like that...
So cool to see how calm the pilots remain in a situation like this
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It's crazy, but you've gotta! I mean, there's so much that needs to be orchestrated perfectly. Ya can't have anyone hogging the airwaves or being panicky. Even a minute or two of wasted time could lead to catastrophe
35 year pilot at AA. If you are having a hydraulic problem and landing overweight, you want to land on the longest runway. It would be tough to explain how you ran off the end of the shorter runway when there is another 4000 ft next door
😮😁🤣
“We don’t need to burn gas, Let’s get in as soon as we can”
A few minutes later, “we need more time to consider an overweight landing” 🤦🏼
At 7:30 you can definitely hear the adrenaline kicking in for the atc
I noticed that as well 🙂
This job is waaay to stressful! Props to the tower guy!
Great job by that controller handling the two emergencies simultaneously. Instead of giving him the standard 10 minute break as a reward for working an emergency, I recommend doubling that to 20 minutes as a bonus. Then get back in there and push some more tin!
dunno about America, but controllers here in Aus get loooong breaks (for good reason)
Wow double trouble! Kudos to ATC!
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They are to polite in Texas..love it!
Cool and calm from both ATC and the pilots of both planes. Not so easy to organise everything as both coming into same runway and both American jets.
I once had two emergencies happen simultaneously with departures who needed to return to both toronto and cleveland at the same time. I had a trainee d-side and I was in the middle of eating a jelly donut, I couldn't even finish my donut until it was stale :( As far as training for simultaneous unusual situations, The majority of the work force was either a relatively junior controller or was hired in after 9/11... we've heard the tapes and the mixups regarding the multiple hijacks a million times and a LOT of our training is centered around a LOT of fucked up things happening at the same time, we train for worst-case scenarios.
AAL479 pilot voice is really pretty.
Glad that the medical emergency could land first, as the mechanical emergency surely needed a runway inspection for hydraulic fluid leaks :)
The controller realized that immediately, as he told the medical emergency to maintain 250 knots. They were already going slower than that!
Unreal! Fantastic job done by everyone. You ATC folks make me feel safe as a passenger.
Wow! Great reconstruction and share.
I'm subscribed.
As a none native speaker of English and certainly not from North America or specifically U.S. of A... I'd never have understood the fast rumblings of the ATC... without your putting the corresponding texts.
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We hope the crew with medical distress is better and in good health now.
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The way the pikots, ATC and all other services handle such things... really amazes and inspires us.. inspires me at-least.
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I get nervous speaking in front of even 30-40 people... and here these folks literally have dozens of lives depending on them... and still have their wits about them
👍 Thanks.
Kudos to everyone involved, especially the controller!
Brilliant ATC. It’s like waiting for a bus and 2 come along,
Incredible professionalism. From ATC and all pilots. 👍🏻 amazing.
Smooth and professional from ATC.
Another good one!! ATC handled this in quite a calm, professional manner. Kudos to all!! 👍✈✈👍
American Controllers are so good. I hope they always hire controllers with this level of professionalism and calm mentality
Everything was smooth!
A clear and concise capture of both energencies; I have to agree with your controller assessment. Spent many hours listening muti-channel around DFW; never boring and their personalities often discernible! Well done!
do you just hear just the controllers or pilots as well? would be interesting to listen to pilots as well
1:04 "What do you need".
I need to land, lol.
What a skilled controller! Amazing team there.
Holy shit you can hear the fear in the American 479 pilots’ voices. Must have been something serious. So glad they got it down okay.
Hydraulic systems power your flight controls, so if you have any type of hydraulic problem it's always unnerving (they usually have 2 backup hydraulic systems though)
Appreciate this thanks
👍 Thank you
wow thats scary. i would love to hear the controller talk about this after the fact.
Wow wow good brother TNX
interesting sequence of events
Well handled by controller!
As a former approach controller, he did a good job. Kept his cool
Seems that they could take another 10 planes with an emergency.
Nice
Is it just me, or does AA479 sound like the same pilot who saved that SWA 737MAX after the engine explosion?
That ATC must bathe in ice water.
When it rains it pours
Is there an accident report of this that I can review?
Rare thing ✈️✈️😖 but it can happen
The second time I see such situation.
they give landing clearance even when there is another plane before them?
Can't read the fine print
Does anyone here know of a Tokyo Narita setup like this? That airport during rush hours is fascinating to watch on FR24- be awesome to have map with ATC simplified. Super difficult to match them alone with accents and low quality audio.
I fly into NRT a lot, look up the charts. It's busy but good, miles easier to work than ICN even with airspace tight with HND etc close. I find them easier to understand than the new ATC at HKG since they sacked the Aussies and Kiwis.
Do ATC workers need to undergo "simulator training" (I'd like to see that on UA-cam!) and does such training ever include multiple emergencies happening at the same time?
They sure do run a lot of sim training and even just table scenarios.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan That's great! I'd like to see some of those sims on UA-cam.
Yikes!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯
7:27 mislabeled as AAL479, should have been AAL2788. Great video though!
Thank you.
I notice in these types of videos that the European Airlines much more frequently call for a PAN-PAN when American based Airlines skip right to Mayday. I am not saying anyone was wrong here because I don't have all the information, just an observation.
well both of these just used "emergency" they didn't mayday... there is a few others (one was an engine issue) it was an emergency until they were in approach then they changed it to mayday mayday mayday, different beasts altogether
@@LiLBitsDKAs I understand it declaring an emergency is equivalent to Mayday. Pan Pan is not emergeny, it's urgency - please get us down but there is no danger for life right now.
Edit - that's what you get for not following ICAO standards and explicitely stating either Pan-Pan or Mayday.
New York Times has an article on the shortage of ATC controllers today, August 21.
Could anybody explaon what "POPPA" (or similar words on other airports like "PRUDA" etc.) mean, when an aircraft is about to land?
It's a navigation way point. Think of major cross streets, but in the air.
so i have always flown American....now? i think i'll just drive...
🚒 and. 🚒
pro
What is POPPA? And what is MORRY?
Navigation waypoints
What are the odds!
Yes, it happens really rare. This is the second time i see 2 emergencies simultaneously.
When was the first
The last double one I saw I believe was Denver international
255 minutes of fuel is a correct way to tell the amount?
Yea it is basically saying i can hold/stay up for this long and lets ATC know how far you can go if the situation calls for it and you need to go to another airport for example
Dallas is the only place id expect this to happen, being American's main stomping grounds.
No place has more American birds in one place.
Why don’t the use the standard pan pan pan or mayday mayday calls?
Their system is a bit ancient and has only Routine and Emergency levels of traffic. Sure, they know what PAN-PAN and MAYDAY mean, and occasionally use them; but with no language barriers (they all speak American anyway), there is little urgency to make routine use of these prowords.
AA 479 seemed unprepared. They only mentioned ARFF when they were in the midst of their checklist.
There probably weren’t fully prepared for an emergency they didn’t know would happen. Luckily they have emergency check lists to assist them.
Little bit confused:
"We have a slight hydraulics problem" vs "We have to land ASAP, even overweight" ?
That it got worse?
Pilots ALWAYS tend to minimize the problem instead of being clear about it
Moral of the story, don't fly AAL Lol
Wouldn’t it have been better to have them land on different runways, just in case?
I mean it's the same as landing a regular flight in front of an emergency because the front aircraft only had a medical
Yes, you’re correct, but if the first plane had a more serious emergency that needed paramedics quick…I guess I’m just the worry wart type.
By putting them on different runways would have meant one would have to fly a considerably longer approach. They were both an emergency and to keep the spatial distance was easier to just put them following each other. Considering that the one with the medical emergency seemed to be more urgent and could vacate the runway with no problems I think it just made sense. Could and probably am be wrong
No Don, you make sense. Another thing I thought of, if neither could clear, you’ve lost two runways and that would be chaos!
@@MrVin720 Even then wouldn't they stop after clearing runway? Or has there been a case where this didn't happen?
You kept labelling the 2788 messages as 479. Good job ATC didn't have that problem!
Just somebody on oxygen huh?
I know! 🤯
Airport must've been in the middle class part of town.
All the lady pilots have weird foreign accents... diversity hires?
Overweight landings are a joke. There isn't a plane made that can't land at its max certified gross takeoff weight.. The landing weight is reduced solely because of economics,, fee paid on lessor landing weight. Heavies have dump systems in order to meet performance needs if on one engine,, flight or go around
Correct the aircraft is capable of landing at MTOW.
It might need 20,000ft of runway to do it though.
Or it will literally melt it’s tires off because the brakes are used at maximum authority. Note that the brakes are a hydraulic system, as are flaps and speedbrakes, both systems used in reducing landing speed.
ARFF and awareness of overweight are extremely important tools in dealing with *after* the landing.
That was some shitty planning by the American 479 crew
If you are referring to the fact that they already were on the way in before they realized that they hadn't worked the overweight landing checklist.. yeah. I concur. The ATC seemed pretty unfazed.
Easy to criticize from your keyboard. When you are in the situation, there are many checklists and calls to make. All this while continuing to fly the jet. They are just making sure to cover all the bases.
Almost 20,000 accident-free hours speaking here.
@@MagnumOpusSRT I'm aware of that, I just thought it was weird how they first asked to land asap, ATC probably resequenced a bunch of planes and then they changed their mind just when they were cleared for the ILS. Put a lot of pressure on the ATC, but I'm aware that sometimes the pilots are too task saturated in an emergency situation to think everything through
So is it fair to say " shitty planning" when in fact we are not in the cockpit, going over the many systems that need attention pryor to landing with a mechanical? To do so might be jumping to conclusions with out proper thought! Wonder if the crew could have managed their time better if they skipped a few items on the check list? How's that, sound like a good idea?
I flew this scenario on FS2020. did it way better than the crew. -sarcasm-
Flight attendant needing oxygen??? Well you know he had to have his Klot $hot to keep his job. Can we get a follow up on which V@X is to blame????