Traded Tenere 700 for KTM 790 Adventure R
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2022
- This video comes as a result of an earlier video I did with my friend Riley about his KTM 890 Adventure R and why he traded it in for a Tenere 700. Many of the people in the comments were not happy with his decision and felt that the KTM is the better of the two bikes.
So with that in mind I went to my friend Emily, a full time motorcycle journalist for Motorcycle Mojo and we discussed why she did the exact opposite of Riley. And why she felt the KTM was the bike to have in her garage and not the Tenere.
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Had a T7 for almost 12k miles - awesome bike. The suspension is sub-par from the factory if you really want to push the bike. I'm 215 pounds and it bottomed way too easy when you were really pushing it off road. It's likely fine for most riders that only want to explore fire roads and gravel, but ask any experienced rider and they will tell you it is lacking compared to the KTM. I put race tech springs in mine and it helped a lot, but still couldn't touch the KTM.
I rented an 890R to ride the WYBDR, and after a week on that bike I got home and sold my T7 and ordered a 2023. Yes, they have the odd nagging issue, but performance-wise there is just no comparison. Quick-Shifter, Cruise, Low-slung tanks - the bike rips both on and off road.
No, the 890R is not made in China. The 890R i made in Austria, and the "re-launced" 790 series (both Duke and ADV R) are made in China by CFMoto. This is KTM's attempt to steal some of the lower priced market.
As with everything on the internet, people will argue all day long about what the right choice is. The question is what is right FOR YOU. If the stock T7 suspension works perfectly for you and you find all else adequate, then guess what, you have a fun and insanely reliable bike on your hands. Congrats! If you want better suspension, better road manners, and over 100hp on tap and are willing to deal with KTMs nagging issues - then congrats, you have a bike that will give you serious smiles per mile.
Look hard enough on here and you will find people that will tell you a TW200 is the ultimate "ADV" bike - what a wonderful world.
So how can the t7 be better if you have to upgrade ,you're fooling yourself
@@cliffordzehmke5650 Well Clifford, that's just the thing - I never said the T7 was better nor worse. The message I was trying to convey was that typically there is no definitive right or wrong answer. The "right" bike to choose will depend upon the rider skill, what terrain they want to ride, how much they are willing to spend on maintenance, etc.
For "ME" I had the T7, but decided I liked the KTM more for "MY" purposes. Thus, I sold the T7 and ordered a new 890R.
IF you are looking for a black and white answer here, you won't get it from me on this topic. Did you even read what I wrote above? At what point did I say the T7 was "better"?
Good day, sir.
Well 215lbs no wonder you had issues.
@@jonathan6035 Reading is hard, do you have pictures that illustrate what you're trying to explain? Will there be snacks and a nap afterwards???
@@Mansplainer411not all men are vegan eating soy boys weighing in at 140lbs, many of us are 6’2” and 200lbs……
I feel like the motorcycle community as a whole has become way too critical. All the motorcycles are good and it’s all splitting hairs. Choose one and ride it and don’t look back.
I couldn’t agree more
I love my KTM 790! This last summer I rode 8000 miles over two months around most of North America. The bike performed very well in all conditions, everything from single track to major highways I felt completely comfortable and impressed with its performance. Thank you KTM!
That’s awesome!
Have you had any issues or things you have had to replace?
@@rangeroadmoto - Replaced tires and oil as you would expect... unfortunately blew a seal on my rear shock at the end of my trip. Made it home without any issues. Replaced it with EPM Performance custom matching front and back shocks.
@@Adventure-preneur Thanks for the reply! There's a lot of people talking online about KTM's reliability but I feel sometimes the reality is very different than what you see online. So good to know from an owner that their experience has been good.
@@rangeroadmoto from the day that KTM turned down Long Way Round crew request to provide them with the bike by saying : “we think they’re not gonna make it” I knew they know how unreliable is this bike so they don’t want to admit it in a documentary by testing it . Not saying it’s not a good bike . It is but it’s mechanic friendly .
@@ebiebrahimi7472yes but t7 is a bike not compareble with the scalpel of 790 adv...t7 is like an old transalp with abs more..790 adv has same weight with 25 cv more and inertial plattform
That reenactment was great! Nice production value with the footage, really informative for someone who's in the market. I''m looking for an 890. Now, if I could only ride half as good Emily! Good stuff!
First time seeing Emily other than print, happy to see you found your best bike match. Keep doing what you do. Respecting your work & choices.
Great video! Love my 790. Their Achilles heal however is the plastic L shaped fitting that connects the fuel line to the bottom of the fuel pump. I was able to break this by dropping the bike on a water bar mid hill climb and it left me stranded in the woods. A must for these bikes is either a skid plate that covers high on the tank (like AXP) or the aluminum replacement fitting and guard that Rottweiler makes. Tank itself is going strong through
GREAT video - Emily you are very credible not just because of your experience and background, but also because you explain so logically and well = THANKS!!!
Thank you Larry! And I will second that, Emily is amazing and explaining and laying out information
I pined for a T7 when they teased it several years back to replace my DR650. Then KTM came out with the 790 R. The T7 suddenly became not much of an upgrade performance wise to my modded DR but the KTM was so much more. I'm approaching 20 K miles on my 2020 and it has been stone reliable. The offroad performance is fantastic and on road it rips for 'only' a 790. No regrets! Only hope it remains reliable for years to come. Continued luck and enjoyment with yours!
Here for the dramatic reenactment 🙌😂
Another quality video buddy! seems like KTM/Husky is taking over the dirt world these days.. I know of at least 6 new buys amongst 4 riders lately. great bikes with big power for the sizes. looking forward to spring rolling in next year to get back out on the trails!!!
Thanks Troy! I think as far as performance and tech they are really leading the way. Yeah we are almost halfway through winter then we can ride again!
I'm a big big KTM fan, but something a bit overlooked if you are thinking about buying a newer 890 or find a used 790 is that they changed the slip mode between the models. On the 790 when you put it in slip 1 it's about the same as slip 3-4 on the 890. I find riding in sand on my 790 I actually stop and turn the slip completely off but when riding 890s in sand I can keep it on slip 1 and get enough push on the rear.
I have a short video on my channel showing me going up a sand hill in 2nd gear with 1 slip on the 790 and you can hear how much the slip is pushing back.
at 2min50s the Yamaha's tail indicators broke off during the jump.
Seemed to be broken from before :) but usually they are fine. I have two Yamahas with those kinds of lights and they usually stay intact quite ok.
Yeah it actually just popped right back in after the jump. Riley said it would pop out from time to time on bigger jumps and then just pop back in
He has also changed the signal lights since filming that
I had the KTM 990 and the KTM 690, both great bikes.
How ever when I bought my Yamaha T7 I found it just fit.
Yep I agree. it is not a high tech race ready bike.
But I am almost sixty one and find it suits my needs.
I think each bike has its strengths. One should be honest with themselves on their skill level.
I have only been riding and racing 46 yrs.
I have ridden my T7 on the same trails as My 690 and more trails than the 990
my very first bike is exactly the same KTM what you have, and I love it, have to mention have a MTB background , so transition wasn't that difficult even I was 52 years old and I never rode anything before, what a fun machine, your review was exactly what I would say..... cheers V!
What an awesome first bike!
Love the graphic change!
Just like the other video, this was great. Could I ask you which drone you're using for these videos?
Thanks man, for this video I used a DJI air 2s, nice small compact drone. For the tenere video I used a DJI inspire pro
I went from a Pan Am (too many issues) to a 1290 SAR. My 1st KTM. The bike is awesome but it's huge... and I'm not. I can only tip toe on the bike.
The 1290 has shown me that I really love the KTM engine and performance levels.
@ 5'8" and around a 30.5" inseam you've given me some great information and I'll be looking for an 790 or 890R.
I ended up trading the 1290 for an 890 Adventure non-R model. So far it feels like my Goldilocks motorcycle.
Beautiful bike! I have a 2020 KTM 690 Enduro R now. I’m really tempted to trade for one of these. I’m 71 years old, and I need a low seat and center of gravity, due to issues with my legs (old age). Thanks for posting this. ♥️🏍️
Did you also install a lowering kit on it? Stock form it's about 86cm seat hight which is a lot. Ofc you can have a lower seat which gets you to about 84cm but at your hight prolly is either one leg or the other on the ground on tippy-toes.
What a great video! TY!!!!
You’re very welcome!
Great info!
great film location love it up there Revy is so nice year round .mint vid. ill stick with my T7 and my 2020
500 exc-f 6 days for now
Bike looks good in white! Great video!
Doesn’t it? She designed that wrap off old factory ktm race bikes from the 80’s
I hit a deer with my 890R, on the gas tank (mostly) as well. Did no damage the tank, though I needed a new radiator and several plastic panels. Radiator didn't leak and I was able to ride home, but it was all bent up.
Still a KTM my experience very unreliable in the outback . especially by yourself . And little shops don't want to work on them . To each their own. RIDE ON
You mixed up MSC and MTC, rally mode doesn't turn off MTC, it turns off MSC which reduces excessive torque drag (like a slipper clutch). It's MTC that remains active and manually selectable from 1-9, only relocating the rear abs sensor to the front disables MTC completely
Welcome to the KTM family
One of the most exciting bikes ive ridden.
Thanks for this vid, been wating for it 🤙🤙🤙 and whoever was upset with one persons choice of what bike they like, is BS! What does it matter what bike someone chooses, its thier choice.
Im glad you found it! I was gonna track down that comment and tell you it was out haha.
@@rangeroadmoto 😂 i appreciate that, it notified me it was out and its a great video and damn she is a beast on that bike. Got me wanting the new 790 adv. Looking forward to your future vids 🤙.
Those rear turn lamps took some beating
10/10 for the dramatic re-enactment. lol Regarding seat height, what is your inseam? You look like you have a longer than average inseam for someone that is 5'5". Inseam is a better indicator, IMO, for for sizing rather than the actual height.
Thanks WOW THAT'S AWESOME 👍
Beautiful country you are riding in. Is that BC? I don’t know anywhere in the lower 48 that looks like that.
Sure is BC!
The KTM 790/890 is a brilliant design, great suspension and weight distribution. Had the T7 for 8mths, great engine but top heavy, suspension needed alot of work. I would buy the 790 in a heartbeat but the complexity worries me. Reliability has been a concern, camshaft wear notably. This is an adventure bike, if reliability is in question then the concept of real adventure is compromised. The 690 although not as highway capable is now my choice, in the dirt it will be superior to the 790. Great looking bike those graphics really set it off.
I’m looking at a 701 and I’m a member of a few fb groups. The horror I read about the 690/701 scares the heck out of me lol. At the same time, I can fix the clutch slave and shift star easily so….fuck it really. Life is short
I went from a Tenere 700 to an 890 Adventure R. Did over 10,000km on each and now I'm getting a 500EXC. I know the highway riding will suffer but it's boring on any bike.
I had a 790 2019. I ve done 45000 miles on it...only stupid things for problems..like trasudation of fog on TFT, when out there is FOG..but you have a bike with the power of a 1000cc bikes, with the weight of a t7..790 is a modetn bike, has an inertial plattform (t7 only a preistoric abs). 790 is a sport bike, and in a bike i look smiles and adrenalin...anyway if you would have to change a single camshaft, how do you think you have to spend. On mine in 45000mls only oils and tires. The termic part is strong, like an ild bike
That bike is beautiful 👌 nice choice Em!!
Wie oft hat der dreibuchstabige Paripa dann auf dem langen und schwierigen Gelände Fehler gemacht? Bereit zum Rennen ...
Had the T7 for 2 years & 20,000 km but never really got on with it off road, much too top heavy.....Now have a Husky 701.....much better.
Love the 701!
Thats true slam deeper foot pegs on it and a handle bar riser and it will fit even wirh 6'5". But maybe i will gonna go For a higher seat
Siempre encontraré ese lado llamativo de la ingeniería llevada al límite. La relación hombre-maquina en su punto. Personalmente debo felicitar el avance tecnológico que brindan ciertos fabricantes hoy por hoy pero hay algo igualmente cautivante de la simpleza de los japoneses que debe ser reconocida entre aquellos que buscan contentarse con el llano placer de subirse a una maquina como estas.
emily, you are a badass rider. you inspire me.
Excellent production value. Looks like maybe State of Washington. Nice work.
Thanks! This is really similar terrain, but up in British Columbia.
@@rangeroadmoto Ahh! Nice. Beautiful.
I like the KTM numberplate mount…😃
Yamaha lovers always watching KTM videos. KTM lovers never watch Yamaha videos😂
@2:48 the t7 broke blinker strikes again
No wonder she felt the T7 suspension needed an upgrade, if she didn't even know what kind of adjustability the suspension has. Not to mention adjusting it. Of course the suspension is bad when you leave it to factory settings.
This adventure bike mania sprawled a lot of “instructors” and reviewers who really don’t have an in depth knowledge of motorcycles. Hence their reviews on the bikes are useless. Long term ownership review “1000 miles”…. Etc.
Just because information was omitted, don’t assume someone doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Emily is not only a seasoned rider, but also knows bikes inside and out. She grew up around motorcycles, (probably learning how to ride one before walking), competes, and is a professional journalist for a motorcycle magazine. She’s the real deal, not just another “instructor” or influencer selling bikes for commissions.
Doesn't matter what suspension adjustments you make to the T7 it will never have a plush ride. It is sporty though and handles surprisingly well on the road. It's firm from stock.
The KTM is not plush either
@@dudeqc514 what about the Africa twin.
@6:10 you killed Bambi? With a little motorcycle, good storyteller.
What happens once the warranty runs out though, those discs don't seem fit for purpose to me, are ktm expecting you to pick up the bill ? ... great bikes though 👌
Yeah good question, I would imagine if they failed again and you were out of warranty you would source a different brand of rotor and see how that goes.
Where are they riding in this video?
This is BC, Canada. In the Revelstoke area
Did you ever try a bmw f800gs ?
I had the 890R and now have a Tenere 700. Much happier with the T7.
the price difference may determine which one one would buy...
That is true, although in the used market they seem to be very close with how much people around asking for their Teneres
That music is so ITCHY 😆😆
I was seriously looking at a new T7. Then I realized I could get a year old 890 R with 1,500 miles for the same price as a new T7. So that's what I did.
KTM sold the 790 engine and it's platform to CFmoto and is now going to be released in America as the 800 Advetura .
Top scenery
especially knowing that a used ktm is the same price as a used T7.
Ok, so now I am confused between bikes again..LOL
Haha I just read your other comment, honestly man they are both awesome bikes. I rode the T7 after we were filming and it felt good. And the KTM is a serious machine..you gotta go with what feels best. I don’t think you would regret either bike. They are both awesome
I would like to own BOTH of these models within my Lifetime. 🙂
Until I have money and more skill, Yamaha (if you are watching) can you please make me a T3 (aka a T321) LoL.
Another GREAT VIDEO Mr. RR Moto & Friends.!
Thanks angelface!
You are welcome to call me Angel (if you want) Did "Adv Riley" ever tell you that we found each other on a different website.? Him & I have crossed paths many times before on-line, but I never knew it was him... til I put all the clues together. Hee hee
i don't get it. a KTM with BMW Mpower stickers on it? why?
Those are KTM’s colours from the 80’s.
if they only manage to fix all the small and annoying reliability issues it would be the perfect bike...for the moment the KTM is just a nice toy to go in the backyard playground
Have you owned a KTM?
@@erwindenengelsen8144 yes a 990SuperMoto and on 250cc 2 strokes converted to supermoto for track use only. I bought an old 93 Africa twin to travel as the 990 was spending more time to the mechanic than on the road.
Nice video. I Have Tenere 700😉
Nice! I rode Riley’s while I was filming with him. Really nice bike.
Absolute insanity, she RIPS. Wow that was awesome to see
Emily is a beast on a bike!!
Range Road Moto ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thanks Martin!
Riley is an awesome rider! Where do I find a gal like that?! 😊🇺🇸🍻
I looked into the 890 adventure r before purchasing my tenere 700..the ktm motor sounds like it has marbles in it.the tanks are way wide and the electric rider aids are having some glitches..and the 890 r is a tall bike as well can't say anything about the 790 because there not made any more..I personally prefer simplicity it makes a better rider plus with the 5k I saved by buy the t7 I could easily buy the best suspension if choose
Every time the T700 stall you have to press again the OFF road button, it's not simplicity. It is pain in the ass. In 2023 model it is even worst.
@@woitika5983 what do mean stall? My t7 has never stalled!!!
@@gabrielkopp2036 stall happens when there is not enough power to fed from the engine to the rear wheel to get it moving or keep your bike rolling and that happens when you ride offroad. And apart of that whenever you leave tarmac and start off road riding you have to stop the bike to press the button, it is not simplicity :-(
@@woitika5983 either you have no idea what your talking about or don't know how to use the clutch..my t7 has never stalled and I have never heard anyone else's ever sralling
In my part of the world a near new 790 was less than a T7
from the day that KTM turned down Long Way Round crew request to provide them with the bike by saying : “we think they’re not gonna make it” I knew they know how unreliable is this bike so they don’t want to admit it in a documentary by testing it . Not saying it’s not a good bike . It is but it’s mechanic friendly .
ua-cam.com/video/63eWDd-Uj7c/v-deo.html
Excellent story telling :) Reliability of T7 is better than KTM´s, Yamaha motor produced in Japan but maybe not assembled in Japan. Will see how KTM´s reliability is in new 790. April Tuareg has also reliability issues, then again there is not going to be a perfect bike. I agree about height and top heaviness. Will wait for some time before purchasing new model of any bike.
Oh no... not bambi...
Any who... once you go ktm, you ain't going back to jay pan bikes. 690r is the unicorn bike, 890r is the best adventure bike ever, 1290r is the mile muncher bike. Can't wait till the 390r....
Itchy boots vibes, introductory sound track.
Yeah I saw somebody else say that too. It’s a good song, itchy boot has good taste.
@@rangeroadmoto yeah it is a great track. It feels like this big adventure which is what motorbiking is all about and with the areas you are riding in woow, great choice.👍
Yeah she lives in an amazing part of the country
These days it would be smart to hide your resume in journalism, not highlight it.
So according to UA-cam comments they're both wrong.
That sounds about right.
Haha, you can never please everyone on UA-cam 😅
Very very true haha
T700 is better for countries where premium fuel is problem .. nd for me i ride 1100l quite heavy but best at what it does and what my skill set offers me .. some time i think why Europeans and Americans buy Yamaha t700 or any other Japanese bikes when they have all the other brands that r equally better ...
Desert x > everything else
The KTM is a great bike, except...once your camshafts, valves and followers fail at low km you'll struggle to trust it to carry you out in the wilderness.
When twice as many services as the owner's manual calls for equals complete head rebuild with nasty cam at 31,000km you can no longer trust it.
There are so many cases now its absurd, I wont own another KTM, nor would I suggest anyone deliberately put yourself through having KTM treat you like using their bike for its intended purpose is somehow detrimental to their bike.
This is interesting to hear, I’m current working on a video about wether or not the ktm890/790 is worth the headaches it brings.
Emily is actually most likely going to sell hers as it has spent more time in the shop than on the road. My friend Riley ( from the tenere 700 video) just sold his 2023 ktm adventure R because he didn’t trust it.
El problema de KTM es que tiene muchos fallos y la marca se lava las manos con sus clientes. Si hiciera motocicletas sin fallos se comería el mercado, tampoco en el campo necesitamos tanta tecnologia y lucecitas, necesitamos buenos motores fuertes y fiables, no hace falta ser rapido si no llegar al destino
They definitely aren’t without their problems that’s for sure
Yamaha más suave muy dócil no cansa ktm es muy dura te cansa asiento durísimo es para un momento y a descansar por maquina las dos muy buenas
Lol let’s see how happy she is, wenn problems start piling up on the KTM
Die hinteren Blicken machen aber nicht den besten Eindruck ;)
При такой езде нет разницы какой байк.
Trade tenere 700 for KTM is like to shoot both of your feet!!! Unreliable bikes Ktm and now made by CF in China! No Thanks!
Ktm ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Yamaha rider says to KTM rider. Coming out this weekend to ride. KTM rider. Nope. Bike is still broken...
And that’s why you at home watching KTM videos.
@@shanewhitter4553😂😂😂😂 t7 is like ab old transalp with abs more
Nonsense, I’ve never had a problem with mine.
No problems with mine. 230 hours.
27k miles no issue what issues have you had with yours 😊😊
Meh.
Is this a complete itchy boot intro rip off?
Well I had to go find the intro you were talking about.. so the short answer is no?
Longer answer is that there are somewhere around 35,000,000 UA-cam channels all looking for royalty free music. You’re gonna hear the same intro song from time to time 🤷🏼
Get a life...
Hmmmmm but the KTM is made in China.. Are you comfortable with that???
Is this one entirely made in China? I know the new 790 coming out next year is entirely made there but I think this bike is still assembled in Austria with some Chinese components.
Anyone on here know for sure, I poked around a little one day trying to figure it out but couldn’t get definitive answers.
@@rangeroadmoto My understanding is with this model they are all made in China.. More reliability problems...
Well from what I understand they made the 790 models pre 2023 in Austria, bust they just announced that a Chinese bike builder called CFMoto is gonna be making like a re-released version of the same bike. It seems like a really weird money grab. But it’s hard to find concrete info one what’s made where ..
@@rangeroadmoto its true the info is arbitrary and not too solid. Some of my research states that the 790 production actually started in China in 2019/2020 and some states that it will start in 2023. That being said they have a history of reliability problems which will only get worse with the move to China. And for $15 to $16 k??? keep me posted. I personally have had very good luck with my Aprilia Tuono in the past and will be getting a 660 Tuareg. I like the intake for the air box being clear up above the steering head, Down in Central America There are many rivers that will swamp a under seat intake.
I’m thinking KTM’s made in China might be a good research project and later video 🤔
The Aprillia looks amazing, I would love to try one out. And I’ve seen some of those rain storms in Costa Rica, a high intake would definitely be a good thing to have!
T7 is pcs of $hit! No power, no suspension, top heavy AF.
Lol the T7 will outlast the over priced over hyped nazi bike any day.
T7 looks way cooler is way more affordable is more reliable less bullshit technology that makes up for owners that cannae ride properly anyway. KTM just sucks dick. Lol
That must be why Poll Tarris has such a hard time rideing it.
Indeed. Never want one again. Went to a Norden 901. What a difference.
@@JohnSmith-ef8nr Pol Tarres spent shitload of money on the suspension and changed everything to carbon. What you get from the factory and what he rides are two very different bikes
T7 all day, deer story sounds sus, first person to hit deer on bike and escape unscaved....great movie 😂😂😂
CHINESE MADE... I don't care who over sees productions... CHINA MADE BIKE
T7 is bad enginered and the worst is suspension. Any adjustments not change that. Its like with good tv, if you bought good tv, first what you do, you turn off all acceleration setting and image is great. On bad tv you have hope thal all that fancy settings change something but after a few weeks of strugle you know that you have garbage tv. Tenere 700 is all garbage. All thing you have to pay on your own to change and still you have top havy, overheating, bad enginered motorcycle. Very overpriced garbage.
Your ingesting too much Psilocybin. All KTM's overheat.
This woman is annoying, you want to try an old school tenere from the 80s, that's top heavy!!!
You want nimble get a decent enduro committed bike like a wr or xc..
I hope thats not how you start conversations with strangers in real life.. jeepers buddy.
And yes there are more top heavy bikes in existence. That was never an argument. If you've sat on a 790/890 compared to a T7 you would feel the difference. Being more top heavy shouldn't be a point of pride for an off highway capable bike.
As for getting a nimble enduro bike, I think her 300 GasGas is treating her pretty well.
What a mistake..... T7 owns that KTM garbage. From a Honda owner.
Why’s that?