After I left my abuser, I started noticing that I took on some of his awful behaviour & acted it out on my next partner. I have so much guilt about that. I was nowhere near how intense he had been, but I was still harmful to my partner. Ugggh. I've never thought of it as an excuse, just a factor. After awhile, and a particularly bad incident, I separated myself from him and enrolled in therapy. I've done 2 years of intensive DBT and have avoided any intimate relationships until I know for certain that I can control my emotions in a healthy way
You are right, I think we all do that in one way or another. But the way I see it you can respond one of 2 ways: acknowledge it, make your amends and work on yourself to leave those behaviors behind and grow or lean into it and relish in your victimhood, excusing your shitty behavior. Shiloh has gone with the latter and it’s a shame. Don’t beat yourself up over what you did in response to being abused, no one understands the mental fuckery it leaves you with unless they’ve been there. It’s just a chapter in the long book of your life and once you’ve read past it, that’s where it should be allowed to stay, in the past. You are a strong person for growing like you did. Sending out props and love from someone who totally understands.
I relate strongly! My mother abused me terribly and I noticed some of her traits came out in me in how I treated my sister and partner in moments of anger, even when they did nothing wrong. I did DBT too! I completed two programs, 16 weeks each. The DEAR MAN skill is so helpful and I still use it. The distraction skills help me a lot when a panic attack is coming on. Sadly doesn't help much with my flashbacks but I'm a work in progress. It was really cool to see a comment I related to so much. Thank you for writing it
Yo I appreciate you. It took me 4 years of self destructing before taking a good damn look at myself and realizing I got screwed up way more than I thought.
@@dreamingangel18 let's celebrate all of us for knowing we had a problem! Some people never reach that level of self awareness. We are working on ourselves
"I was the first victim" Um, what about Skye? I don't think Skye went through as much as Shiloh did, but according to what Skye has shared SO FAR, Greg: -wouldn't let her get a job to make her own income -stated on his own channel that he loved her little sister more -kept pornographic pictures of her little sister -withdrew from her and started spending all his time on Skype (with 17-year-old Shiloh) -flew to Pennsylvania to cheat on her with a 17-year-old girl -followed her around the house demanding she sign fake divorce papers he printed off online that would give her barely any spousal support and for only a year, after she had helped HIM build his channel, and she had no job of her own -compared her to a slave owner because he had to pay spousal support to her for leaving her for a 17-year-old girl, which sent all his rabid fans after her -and still continued to hit on her little sister through all this, even e-mailing her an offer to come out and be on his UA-cam channel....the same day he e-mailed Skye saying he was out of money. And for all we know, Skye might not even be the first victim. After all, he once described a time in high school when he told his "preppy" girlfriend to prove she loved him by coming to school as a goth because he knew that would be humiliating for her.
Honestly, a part of me thinks she completely ignored her because she "took" (for lack of a better word) her place (she being Shiloh) and she was the one Onion boy cheated on Skye with. She makes her victim hood her only personality trait and uses it to emotionally blackmail people on social media, but refuses to acknowledge another victim. Not cool.
Shiloh saying "I'll be waiting here with your apology when you're done insulting me" has the same energy as your parent saying "oh look who finally decided to join us"
Being a victim doesn't make you a good person. Being a victim doesn't give you a free pass. Being a victim isn't an excuse to attack others. You are only a victim while it's happening. Staying in the mindset of I'm a victim is not okay. PTSD is very real and can make you behave like she is. Feeling like people are attacking you when they aren't. But that's when you realize what you're doing, step back and handle yourself. She needs to step back from all of it and get out of the victim mindset. This isn't healthy.
This. All of this. Her going "I'm the first victim!" (which she even isn't) and describing her life as "my story" just shows how she doesn't even want to get out of the victim bubble. It's self-destructive in the long run and she should, like it's been said billion times, take a break from social media. A long one. Then think what she wants from her future.
I Love this ❤️ " You are only a victim while it's happening to you, Staying In the mindset of a victim is not ok" 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 excellent point
Especially with the "now I see why soandso hates getting texts from you" "None of them respect you anymore" Like woooooooah you have some balls speaking like that on someone's behalf when its not even true. That would burn my bridge with her if I were them.
I was basically thinking that but instead of journalism, merely thinking of the word "integrity." Ignoring her lies and manipulation because she's a victim of Onision would simply not sit well with me.
@@edwinsgeneration I've posted too many comments attesting to the fact that. Though I don't know you in real life,based in your videos with your commentary is: you never just make bs videos just to be vindictive or mean. When you are speaking about something bad someone did or said, you bring proof of that bc you know anyone can say anything online n how can one be believed without proof? This alone separates you from UA-cam channels who just rant or insult others. You come across as being empathetic when need be, intelligent even still try to be a kind decent person toothers when trying to clear up BS they created. Again, you never once said this means you agree with what onision has done...and it's NOT EDWIN MAKING Shiloh look bad, it's Shiloh making herself lost credibility n look bad, as well as he girls she claimed to care for so much. Shiloh claims you only want he clout,uh seems like she should look in the mirror and get off her victim trian bc that's what she's doing at any cost,be it lying, attempting to manipulate others or her own narrative and it's wrong. Thank you for sticking to the facts. All Shiloh can do is lash out bc three are no talk legit excused for her behavior. We have all had bad things happen in life, alot of people have PTSD n anxiety,this doesn't mean they get a pass to be this type of person. However,at first people did give her a pass till she kept acting erratic and stirring up BS for reasons only Shiloh seems to know in her mind. I'm not discrediting what onision did to her but I've been through a lot worse n others worse than me yet this doesn't mean I get to treat people like she's been doing. When she's caught n called out as with the Dms n the one girl who blocked her yet Shiloh went on a diff acct proceeded to threaten the girl; it's absurd and lunacy She's also pretty much spitting on the platform and credibility having Chris Hansen's support brought to her. As well as everyone who patted her on the back for coming out to tell her story. She's trying to make sure people don't forget what happened to Shiloh and remember she has a reasons to be a bitter unempathetic jerk as well as lie when she seems it necessary. Sadly, I don't doubt what other girls from onision drama have said but am wondering how much of what Shiloh said was BS,manipulation as well as game playing. If as an adult she acts like an immature teenager who has to make things how she wants them,be it a story about something that happened n at any cost,lies, manipulating others, severely over dramatic, etc Then how was she as a 17 yr old girl who obviously had freedom from her parental guidance to be in a relationship with an adult male? Sorry this was so long 🐢🐢🐢 Cara
Edwins Generation I agree. You did what any reasonable person would. I have followed this story for years and I am, more than anything, really disappointed in her vibe. I guess I expected something else? It shows you really never can have expectations for a particular result when it comes to behavior. Why do you think she is using Greg’s behavior as a shield for her own? It’s really odd.
It happened to me. I lost friends because of it, later I was diagnosed with BPD and I’m finally getting treatment to deal with my emotions so I avoid conflicts such as this. She needs to step off the internet and get proper help for her trauma.
I see so many people saying how disgusting it is that someone would ever even comment on her behavior because its how she’s healing. There’s still a level of personal responsibility here. If you wanna heal publicly or/and in ‘unsavory’ ways that’s fine & should be no one’s business to comment on or scrutinize. However, when you start going after/attacking multiple other people, initiating unnecessary conflicts, spinning false narratives - you can’t expect to have complete and total immunity. Even if the behavior is perpetuated by horrible and out-of-our-control circumstances. There’s still a limit to the reasonable expectation of tolerance from others, even here. When you bring so many others into it like this you’ve crossed that limit and it becomes an issue that I don’t think people should have to or be expected to tolerate
Shiloh is just losing her crediblity at this point. I am afraid people looking from outside in, might not believe her story AND THATS WHAT I FEAR. And this is happening at the same time when onision has enabled his comment section (with heavy modderation) in order to create an echo chamber for people and keemstar is about to release his onision interview to a lot of people who might not be following the onision saga. This is bad. I just hope Shiloh take a real social media break because this is just hurting her
Complex PTSD does cause people to act erratically, even neglect and abuse their children, this is coming from a psychologist...doesn't excuse her behaviour, rather explains it especially given that all the drama is to public now and that won't help her PTSD..
When I first left my narcissistic abuser, I frequently lashed out the same way. I felt like everyone was attacking me. I was with him a year and we ultimately had a child together, for context. I walked around with a sharp tongue and victim complex for a long time. So I get Shiloh’s mindset and actions. That being said, it’s a clear sign that she’s still very traumatized and needs professional help. I also deal with CPTSD so I know flashbacks and talking about what happened can he hard and that can sometimes last for years... but it’s really concerning that she has been removed from the situation for so long and is still exhibiting these behaviors. I really, really hope she is seeking proper help. I feel for her, it’s awful to carry all of that trauma around but there comes a point where you must find a way to settle with it and use it as a tool to grow instead of stay stuck like she seems to be (using her abuse as a sword and shield). It’s toxic to herself, other victims, and the entire situation. Wish her the best.
Okay and how did you fix it?? Cause I know EXACTLY what you mean. Abusive relationship for 3 years and I feel pretty damn cold and very much like a mean ass bitch 24/7
Yes, your comment hit the nail on the head for me. They really do tend to lash out and misinterpret other peoples genuine concerns or worries as being aggressive or looking down on them. Of course it isn't the misunderstood person's fault, but really I don't think keep going at it is good for anyone.
It's also been about 10 years in her case and there is NO excuse for being abusive to others, especially when you pioneer for the abused. I've also been through this. Had a VERY manipulative partner. They appeared to be helpful, sweet, SINGLE, spent all their time with me, even stayed at my home most of the relationship, made me believe I could depend on them, got me pregnant due to a medication mixture issue with my new birth control, then left and revealed they were MARRIED. Made me out to be a psychopath trying to break up a marriage, their wife threatened to kill herself, wouldn't help me try and figure out what to do about the pregnancy, totally gaslighted and ghosted me. The years following, I was almost intolerable. But I got help, got on medication for depression and anxiety, and continue to try and better myself. I know not everyone has the same willpower and resources, I didn't either, and there isn't a time limit to trauma reactions but as someone who's been manipulated and abused, not just by the one example I gave, I REFUSE to become that abuser to someone else. She needs to realize the same. Every victim does.
There's a term that I learned after I was diagnosed with cPTSD: narc fleas. The term comes from the saying, "If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas." Narc fleas come from the idea that many people with cPTSD leave their prolonged, traumatic experiences usually having the same defensive mechanisms as their abusers. This is doesn't necessarily mean every person with cPTSD goes through this, but many of us do. For me, I got cPTSD after 20+ years of trauma from my parents; you bet I came out of that being a very toxic person. I knew no other way to deal with others beyond the ways my parents taught me, which was to be passive-aggressive, emotionally blackmailing, condescending, and gaslighting. It was terrible, and I was miserable in that state. The rub here is that even though I'm a victim of everything my parents put me through, therapy taught me one, incredibly valuable lesson: none of that gives me an excuse for shitty behavior. Ever. Yes, my diagnosis EXPLAINS why I sometimes behave certain ways, but it's not a pass to hurt others. And let me tell you--that was a super hard lesson to learn when I felt so victimized; how could I not after so many years? But every moment I took to own my BS, understand why it happened, and learned better ways of coping and connecting with people (ESPECIALLY during conflict!), I moved on. Things got better. I think I will always have the baggage of my past, but it's a lot easier to carry as I've made the effort I have to manage it all. But I couldn't do that to begin without telling myself that I had to bite the bullet and start fixing my own bullshit antics; like learning to walk away when I feel reactive (and communicating why I need to walk away), or even more importantly, learning to apologize and own when I've messed up. It's all residual effects of being abused, sadly, for many of us.
webbpath4 Wow me too. Just. Me too. It feels gross to see people use trauma as an excuse to be an asshole, but I know you need to be patient with them, or they'll see you as another attacker.
Yes, I posted something similar, but you did a far better job in explaining it. This is why I think Edwin is not helping- because he’s pressuring someone emotionally incapable of being sorry for their behavior toward him. She told a few fans her perception of what he was doing- she didn’t make a large public post regarding it, but his response is to publicly defend himself for something that was done privately? Also, if it is about her getting the help she needs then let the video focus on that. It was mostly just said as an aside and focused on the behavior that hurt him. Then what is it about then? To use his same point- did you really want her to get help? Or did you just want to make a video to condescend? I don’t think he sees how he comes off sometimes and there are a few double standards I find off putting with this. Just allow her the time to realize her mistake instead of using your platform to dog-pile onto a victim who isn’t being a “nice girl” right now 🙄 Glad to read you have god the help and tools for dealing with conflict- I wasn’t so fortunate and lacked the financials to get proper help, but that didn’t stop me from seeking programs that help people with low incomes get some sort of help/counseling. I think this just is solved with willingness to change and time. Until then he just needs to let it go.
My father was a neglectful, gaslighting asshole that stood by and allowed his wife to abuse me for years. By the time I got out, I wasn't a very nice person all the time, and had a full deck of manipulative and rage-filled antics. Its taken me years to deal with all of it, & I nodded along in understanding while I read your comment. I'm glad you got away, too, and have been able to work on the trauma and damage they did to you. You're 10000% right: they're reasons, *NOT EXCUSES.*
As an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse -- really incest -- you put into words the very thing I have been struggling with, but could never really describe, even to my therapist ... Thank you for not only your words, but putting yourself out there in describing the very damaging effects of C-PTSD, that, tragically, goes way beyond 'just' PTSD ... it is God-awful, and I want it gone ... ... but yet, in my struggle with it, I may, yet, become better than either of of my parents who put my sister and I through such hell ... I could, as you may well imagine, write way, way, more ... but I can only hope that you may eventually find some healing, and peace, in this world ... Take cares, and be safe.
She's GOT to get offline. I don't know what's going on with her mentally, but I thought it was a good idea when she went dark on social media a while back. She needs to do that again. For herself, for the "investigation", but ESP for the other victims too. I'm sorry she attacked you/others. I hope she gets better. Edit: I have CPTSD and a whole host of other mental illnesses, so I get what it's like to break down, and to break down publicly. However... it isn't okay for a victim to make other's hurt who aren't hurting her at all. You know? So yeah. Especially if she's struggling with an ED as well. She needs more mental help and more stability. And twitter/insta/ANY social media will NEVER give her that.
@Lisa P The c stands for complex. CPTSD is what victims of childhood abuse/trauma and the like often suffer with. PTSD which is usually associated with people who have been through war and things like that. It's, well, complex so it's really difficult to explain it in a UA-cam comment.
I have cptsd as well. It makes it far too easy to become paranoid and lash out at people because of the fight or flight kicking in, along with a plethora of other symptoms. I think it would be best for her to just stop interacting with people, manage the rage that she feels in a healthy manner. It's really sad to see.
Shiloh referring to herself as "patient zero/the first victim" has always rubbed me the wrong way. she was not the first. and regardless, im not sure why she has a level of pride even if she was first.
Tootie Ramsey she def does. She sees herself as the big sister of the other girls too. It’s like she made herself the spokes person for all of them too.
Why is Shiloh snapping on online strangers whose opinions should mean nothing to her? She’s helping Onision by appearing “crazy.” he painted her out to be the psycho ex girlfriend and he’s probably laughing at all this because he thinks he’s right about his victims. I’m disappointed in her 😕
Complex PTSD does cause people to act erratically, even neglect and abuse their children, this is coming from a psychologist...doesn't excuse her behaviour, rather explains it especially given that all the drama is to public now and that won't help her PTSD..
@@Doireannxo This isn't just CPTSD this is definitely also BPD. I have CPTSD... the splitting, the black and white thinking, and the anosognosia she is exhibiting are traits of BPD. 100% guarantee she has both BPD and CPTSD but this is definitely more than just a CPTSD episode, speaking from my knowledge on both and personal experience with CPTSD and having family and friends diagnosed with BPD.
J Anonymous You’re so right. This infighting is completely taking away from the genuine issue. I wish people could understand that the way they behave effects their integrity.
No he's not. We can call out other aspects of this without forgetting the main problem. We have the capacity to focus on many things at once (well, most of us do). Shiloh's behavior is becoming a real problem and should be dealt with before preventing other survivors from coming forward or people from helping them. We don't have tunnel vision.
@@rachelk.6313 But all information bas already been handed over to the authorities. Every commentary channel there is has brought attention to it. The entire internet is aware. So we should ignore this pressing issue? Turn a blind eye? thats not how opinions work
Unfortunately if she is suffering from PTSD she is probably too blinded by all the rage and anger from him being the most trending topic... she probably can't see how much she is helping him and hurting herself, because she is blinded by rage😥💔😥
tbh she may very well have always been an impulsive and even emotionally manipulative person, although that doesn’t change that he took advantage of her and abused her and other girls
I think she would have stopped acting like that 2 years ago with the other victims and their posse if she was worried. i mean even chris hansen gets ppl to mob attack the ceo of Google and facebook. That's fine. We just doing that out here now.
Here's another issue I have, that Shiloh really needs to realize: Just because you apologize to someone doesn't mean they are obligated to accept it. She needs to chill TF out. I am curious to see if she has that same energy in person.
Great point and something I always say. An apology isn't given with the expectation that that person is going to accept it. Just glad to hear you say that. So very true
Well if you look at her in Chris Hansen videos you can see she went from smiling to stressed out over time. I wouldn't really define people by one thing, everyone's capable of positives or negatives. The present moment doesn't define someone's entire existence, so I won't assume she's like that in person. But she probably is at the present moment right now because it's eating away at her, it's a shame this drama was thrown in the spotlight to this extent. Should of been dealt with differently and more quietly atleast.
Marissa P that is true people forget that “forgive and forget” isnt 100% certain it can be “forgiven but not forgotten” or “not forgiven or forgotten” people seem to think forgive and forgets a guarantee
I get that this is going to make me sound like a boomer...but for the life of me I don’t get why everyone has to have every freakin conversation on public social media. It seems so so so unhealthy. It is hard enough to fully understand where someone is really coming from through direct messages, but to then add all of the unsolicited opinions of others into the mix seems like a recipe for disaster.
The current stuff is because she's been doing one thing in DMs and then publicly another, it goes similarly with private conversations vs public ones between different people, just on a different format. It's getting dragged fully publicly because that's the only way to clear things up for everyone
agreed. but I think she likes doing it publicly because she can get validation for her opinions that way. when people respond in favor to how she's behaving, it makes her feel more like she's in the right. that's my two cents, anyway
As someone who suffers from PTSD and a list of other things, I don’t use my diagnosis as an excuse to be a douche to people. I understand being defensive because I was for a little while but you can’t use it as an excuse forever for bad/unhealthy behavior. I try to be extra nice to people most of the time because I understand how hurtful words can be. Trauma is NOT an excuse to abuse others and hurt people.
Ditto, Jessica! There is a huge difference with her actions and how I behave and a 5 people I know in my counseling group. If you had trauma prior to 4 years of age and experience more abuse later in life and have PTSD then this is what you get. Her family friends most likely walks on eggshells because no one has stood up to her. Because that’s what I did to my abuser UNTIL I learned about the different types of toxic people. I pray she gets long term therapy. Because I see so many similar behaviors! Poor Edwin! Because they are the worst with a public forum.
perfect ,i did the same thing until i realized it was ptsd and worked back from that self reflecting on how id treated people around me ,i wasnt being a good person .
Exactly! And we of all people should understand what type of damage trauma can cause. It is our job as human beings to minimize harm to others resulting from our circumstances. Part of healing is letting go of the negative behaviors we've been holding on to. Once we are out of the traumatic situation, continuing to use defense mechanisms in day to day life crosses the line from protecting ourselves to being purely symptomatic. Shiloh has crossed that line. I hope she is able to truly recover.
PTSD makes you volatile, and abuse victims mimic the actions of their abusers. Right now, she is very agitated and is feeling attacked even if that is not the reality of the situation. The only way she can cope with this is use what "tools" were given to her ie. Greg's thought patterns. I also noticed in her last Hansen interview that she was drinking. A person like this should not drink often. She needs therapy to figure out healthy coping strategies.
I am afraid of becoming like my grandmother with how she acted towards me with abuse. I am personally unsure of how to handle how I feel still, people have suggested meditation, drawing, writing down how I feel, and even a therapist which i unfortunately don't have the money for. But because of not knowing how to handle those emotions or how to react to how she treated me, I started bottling it all up and holding back how I treated everyone that I felt wronged me in any way, I wanted everyone to have better than what I went through. It went on for roughly about 10 years (up until I was big enough where I'm guessing she became afraid to do it anymore, and before anyone asks no I didn't do anything to scare her) from like age 6-16/17. If it had just been my grandma that was essentially beating me I think it would've been easier to handle, but through out that time it had also started with bullies at school too, now I'm just afraid to let out any of it out because I am afraid I'm going to do what Shiloh is doing now or worse to myself or others.
@@Agev-gk4iz Hey, just wanted to reassure you a little bit - you're absolutely not doomed to repeat the mistakes of your abusers! This pattern may be common but with self-awareness, support, and therapy, plenty of people break it too. You are more than your past. Take care and keep reaching out 🤗
@@Agev-gk4iz I don't know if you go on reddit but there's a lot of helpful communities of people going through similar things and they are a very supportive community. r/emotionalabuse or r/justnofamily to start with. The latter seems very fitting to check out first. Keep your head up!
To everyone dog piling onto Shiloh with insults- I know it’s frustrating seeing Edwin handle her with kid gloves but that’s what he should be doing. She’s clearly unwell. He’s defending himself but not sinking to her level. Everyone saying “I never liked her” or “she’s JUST like Onision” or even “her music sucks” are not helping. You’re not helping Edwin and your def not helping the investigation. Stop with these comments and the personal jabs at her. In a way you’re doing exactly what we’re accusing Shiloh of doing - getting emotional and distracting from the bigger picture.
The fact that she’s also gone after Repzion says enough. You both have done a great job covering the facts on this situation and throwing support her way. You are the only person I decided to keep watching in regards to this drama because I can tell when someone’s being honest and unbiased, and thoroughly researching the facts. Maybe she’s just hyper sensitive right now but if that’s the case, she needs to step off social media because she’s not only hurting her image but how people are looking at the other victims as well. 🙄
“I was the FIRST VICTIM” why does she come off like she flaunts that? I can’t imagine what horrors she’s been through, and I feel so so bad that she ever went through that, but being somewhat(?) prideful about being his “first victim” [for 2 years straight]”. It’s odd. :( (even tho I’m pretty sure Skye, who was MARRIED to that thing for 5 years, was probably the first..) The whole “patient zero” and “first victim” thing feels kinda odd to me. On one hand, I’m glad that people who went through circumstances like this are able to have the courage to speak about their stories, but to seem to put importance in being the *first* to receive this abuse? That’s an interesting notion. Also, like many comments here have said, being a victim isn’t a free pass, justifying any crappy way you treat other people. (No hate here, just speaking on my opinion.) for those who went through circumstances like this, I’m sorry you ever did. I’m sorry anyone ever felt that they could treat you like this. I hope and pray you are doing much better, and getting the love and support you deserve
The whole "I was the FIRST victim" just didn't sit right with me at all. It kind off had a "I had it harder than anyone else" vibe to me which just isn't true. Just because she was the first (allegedly) doesn't mean that the other girls didn't suffer.
Yeah, the whole "patient zero" thing completely invalidates Skye's existence imo. You can't tell me he didn't do the exact same shit to Skye. She just had the sense at the time to get away from him when she could, and we don't know the details because she's chosen to keep it private.
NXVI she wasn’t the first! Are you forgetting Skye who went through more? So much so she sees a therapist for years. He messaged her for years telling her he’s going to kill himself because of alimony, he and SHILOH both attacked skye and made fun of her. Hmm really makes you think, did Sarah ever make fun of Shiloh? Did Billie? No they didn’t. SHILOH did though. SHILOH made fun of skye and Adrienne. Shiloh is no where near a victim like people are making her out to be. We are seeing her true colors now though aren’t we, she is living it up telling everyone’s stories, selling them for money.
I feel as though Shiloh doesn’t know where to project the anger she’s feeling, and reminds me of Rose McGowan and the way Rose acted during the height of the Weinstein allegations. I totally understand it, but I feel she needs to take a step back and work on herself because I think it’s obvious being so outspoken and feeling like she needs to be the protector of Greg’s victims is hurting her more than it’s doing anyone any good, and it’s causing her to push ally’s and people that care away.
Irish Princess for sure! It’s just fuel to the fire and I honestly think that the whole Greg case being so publicly dealt with has entirely messed up this whole thing. There’s a reason police say to not talk about ongoing cases and this is why. It’s gotten SO messy.
@@m00ndweller Yes! She seems to lash out easily. She needs to step back and think. In my earlier comment. I mentioned how nice it was that the girls had this tight knit support group and how Shi must have thought how nice that was. I was like "good for her", that she has a sense of belonging. But I hope she isn't causing drama needlessly between the girls. ( and I hate even thinking that). They can talk, but some of them might not know how to deal with that. Edwin even says he felt intimidated at first.
As someone who has a trauma-based mental illness, I just want to say that I genuinely don't believe Shiloh knows she's the bad guy in these situations. Before my recovery, I was unaware that I was a manipulative person. My defense mechanism of choice was similar to Shiloh's: to lash out violently and manipulate the situation into something I felt more comfortable with (i.e. a situation where I wasn't in the wrong). I did NOT know I was doing that, and I don't think she does either. She genuinely believes she is the victim in these situations. But it's good that she's being called out because she needs to understand that just because she is an abuse victim, she can't get away with abusive tactics, and she isn't being honest with herself about what's really happening here. This kind of behavior is NOT okay. You are not exempt from being held accountable just because of past trauma in your life! And unfortunately her bad behavior is reflecting poorly on the other victims. She no longer has any credibility and Greg now has credible proof for when he wants to label her as unstable and discredit her testimony. Her lack of self-awareness has damaged her cause. Also I'm very sorry that you had to deal with that. Emotionally abusive tactics are really, really draining; they make you confused, angry, hurt, afraid, and too many other things you shouldn't have to feel all at once. I personally feel you held up well under her onslaught and I'm impressed with your response to all of this. Taking each of her manipulative messages and rationally debunking them is the best way to handle it. It'll show her that she's in the wrong and it'll help other victims of emotional abuse to recognize an attack when it comes. Thank you for making this video and continuing to call her out for this unacceptable behavior.
This this this. I also have trauma based mental illness and can comfirm. I'm glad that you can see she wasn't in the right here but also understand that she doesn't have the self awareness to realize that yet. I really hope she stops weaponizing her trauma and "victim status" because it really really is harmful, for her and all trauma survivors
I second this. as someone who has unknowingly had manipulative tendencies during extremely mentally straining situations I fully believe that shiloh doesn't see what she's doing or the negative consequences it has on her and her relationship with her digital surroundings. I also think that Edwin could have composed his message in a better way as I can definitely see how it can be perceived as guilt tripping when in a mental state of disarray. hopefully she can distance herself from social media for a while in order to take care of herself both physically and mentally. trauma is a bitch, and constantly being exposed to reminders of said trauma is incredibly damaging.
This video has reminded me of someone I knew a bit more than a year ago, and our friendship didnt end... great. I realized after a while that I was very submissive to her and I should have stood up her on several occasions. I basically did anything she wanted for months and my own needs came always second to hers. Nothing completely out of line, but the power dynamic wasnt really okay. I kept quiet for months she because her last, very abusive, relationship had left her with panic attacks and there were also mental health issues. Finally, I had enough when she changed plans for a gig last minute and then refused my repeated questions about it. This had happened before and it had left me in a very uncomfortable situation. When it happened again, I canceled the gig and called her out on it. I knew that she was going with her new boyfriend, so she wouldnt be alone, and I didnt want to be at a concert when we should be having a discussion. She then ignored me texts for a week. When I finally got her to talk, she lashed out at me, said that I left her alone at a concert (again, she was with her boyfriend). Went on to say that I prioriticed money over her (the tickets were 20 pounds). I felt like I had been punched in the face. Before that, I had backed her up on everything she had ever done during that time, and been there whenever she needed me. And suddenly I was a terrible person who ditched her over 20 pounds? Then she suddenly offered to discuss it with her boyfriend in the room, which would leave me against 2 people. When I refused to discuss it in front of a person who wasnt involved. Then she demanded that I apologize, which I also wouldnt do. She claimed again that I loved money more than her and slammed the door in my face. I never heard from her again and never messaged her either. I was too tired to do it. What people have said here about PTSD and trauma-based mental illness puts it a bit into perspective. It hurt like hell and I was confused for ages how someone could go from calling me their best friend to painting me as a money crazy traitor in just a few days. It's probably never gonna be resolved because, if what you said applies to her, she wont know that she did wrong. She will just see my as she described me. And knowing that she rejects therapy and thinks its useless, this is unlikely to change. But I still want to thank you for making me think about it :)
"I was his FIRST victim" Shiloh..... Skye? Or are you saying she wasn't abused? You can't speak for her or anyone's relationship, sis. Plus the label "patient zero" disgusts me for some reason... Didn't like it from the start but I respected she might have done it for a coping mechanism, but I'm getting the feeling she wants to speak for every onision victim. No. You're not entitled to validate or invalidate other peoples situations. How about YOU get off your high horse! Your attitude sucks!
Didn't Skye imply that she wasn't? Or am i off here? Plus she was the same age as him, and they were young, so maybe the playing field was equal then. I'm a little worried this sounds harsh since tone doesn't translate to text, but I'm genuinely asking.
YES! This is exactly how I've been feeling about her. I feel like by claiming she's the "mother" of the group, speaking on behalf of the other victims, and calling herself Greg's first victim, gives power to HER and ONLY her. She deserves to feel empowered, but not at the expense of bulldozing over the voices of his other victims! Also, people like Greg abuse almost everyone they come in contact with because he is incapable of handling anyone who even slightly disagrees with him or rubs him the wrong way, therefore he resorts to abusing them so he feels in control. Greg seems so insecure that he will abuse ANYONE in his path just so he can feel like he's the biggest man. That's what people like him do. Unfortunately, I think Shiloh has also learned some of this behaviour from him, and that's partially why she's acting the way she is now. Being abused does NOT give you the right to abuse others (take it from someone who's also been abused)!
Hi, victim of 15+ years of DV and cPTSD here. A lot of her behaviors can highly possibly be traced back to cPTSD (emotional flashbacks, hypervigilance etc), and it is STILL SO IMPORTANT TO CALL IT OUT. Being hurt does not give you a pass to hurt others. Bc you've done this I genuinely hope she can see your non-defensive, patient, and understanding perspective offered here and go get the help she needs. Thank you SM for being so real, Just Subbed
Honest to God I can just see Onision praising her and just egging her on with new rumors via sock accounts while laughing maniacally about her dwindling credibility. Not to mention how bad it looks on Chris for becoming so close to her immediately after firing someone for this exact same behavior.
I just hope people around her can help her accept that going offline is better for her health and case right now, whether it be her lawyer, Chris, Sarah, her mother or partner. I’ve been where she is with PTSD and it gets ugly _fast._ You panic and it comes out as pure toxic antagonism. You feel misunderstood and invisible and lash out even harder. In the moment it genuinely feels like you do what you have to do to survive. That twitter interaction genuinely feels like life and death, because if you can’t eliminate threats (people failing to help you), you fall back into the prison of your abuser where no one will save you until you die. Brain scans of PTSD show that the fight or flight emotional response flares up so much that all logical reasoning is washed out. You can’t seriously consider consequences, you just punch and bite to get out. It hurts to see her act like this because I know how spiteful and terrifying it is. I just want to tell her to go offline and talk to her therapist, but I’m scared I’ll just get blocked if I do. I hurt a lot of people before getting effective treatment. Someone needs to save her from herself.
I want to say that he’s too stupid to do it, but at the same time based on the nonstop emails he sends to people like Blaire White, it’s totally something he’d do.
Nah. She has finally found her "voice"...she doesn't feel like a victim anymore, and is still dealing with some legitimate issues. Hansen and the other victims gave her so much support that a bit of validation and ego are surfacing. 😞 Come on girl, we have been on your side! Stop honey, just stop.
I was getting so annoyed every time I saw her say “leave me alone” but she was HOUNDING YOU TO MESSAGE HER BACK??? Does she want you to leave her alone or message you back?
she's basically like gaslighting her entire following(which is interesting considering she claims everyone else is gaslighting her). She won't give up replying because, if she did, she wouldn't get the attention from pretending she's being harassed.
Doesn't Canada get free health care? I'd say there's no excuse for no therapy. Other than her own choice and others in her circle acting as her 'therapist' filling her head with their personal opinions on top of the trauma from you know who...
That actually was a lie, she has other YT accounts (lyl doll topics or some cr@p) and she states therapy was not working for her. And right in this video she claimed suicide watch, that's only done through a clinical therapist.
@@twistedmindssweettea Canadian here! Our health care covers basic doctors office visits and necessary surgeries. Mental health care and therapy are not covered at all
@@Natalie-je6dg drowsylane on twitter is one, edwin rt her tweet if you need to find it quickly :) but it just prooves she's lying in her dm's to edwin. we all know those girls have respect for edwin
She's full of herself now that she thinks she's spearheading a "movement" or something. Honestly, she always seemed a bit rude, but people let it go because she was Onision's victim. However, being a victim doesn't mean your bs isn't bs.
She honestly doesn’t seem like a good person. I’m pretty sure she just wants to get revenge and for onision to suffer. She uses her “movement” as a veil of stopping abuse and spreading awareness but in reality it’s just to vindicate her want for revenge.
Imagine how someone who talks like this to strangers being showing concern or bringing things up in a rational manner would deal with someone she didn’t like. It’s just kind of gross and she seems really abusive herself even at a surface level.
Complex PTSD does cause people to act erratically, even neglect and abuse their children, this is coming from a psychologist...doesn't excuse her behaviour, rather explains it especially given that all the drama is to public now and that won't help her PTSD..
Who names their twitter handle “patient zero” after being abused by a child predator?? She seems to be bragging about this. I was also abused as a child and know what this feels like, and would never name myself “patient(number inserted)” who does that unless it’s to manipulate others or hold onto this like some sort of badge, or trophy as sick as is sounds. I hope she gets the help she really needs.
Patient zero is a term given to the first person to get infected in a viral or bacterial disease in an outbreak. Given that theres a pandemic, Im pretty sure this is what inspired the handle name.
I work in law. A lot of our clients are victims of DV, abuse, etc. People deal with trauma in different ways. Some internalize, others externalize. Some even adopt some of the character traits of their abusers. I've frequently been attacked by victims. It no longer effects me, but at first it did. Ive found that reacting and calling out problematic behaviors can often exacerbate the problem and make it sooo much worse. Often the best course of action is to not give the behavior too much attention. At my work, when we see problematic behavior we gently address it with the client, but then we focus the attention on wanting to help them and on how that kind of behavior will hurt THEM. When I look at this situation and apply my experiences to it, I think handling this publicly has worked like a catalyst to increasing problematic behavior. Here's an imperfect metaphor- imagine an abused animal who is now being poked by many after some bad behavior. It would be VERY EASY in this situation to become hyper reactive. defensive, even aggressive. When I am dealing with the bad behavior of a traumatized, abused individual, I often have to pause and take very deep breaths not to react or to allow this behaviorto hurt me. Remember why you started this. I know you feel hurt, I really get it. But it's quite impossible to understand her feelings, perspective, and pain. These continued videos are making it worse. I respect you. Please consider your next steps. What's the most important thing here?
You have more compassion and understanding than most mental health workers. Which says a lot about how much help people actually get from seeking out mental health professionals.
@@mydogeatspuke we often have a very difficult time finding our clients good mental health providers. We have a handful that we love and frequently link our clients with. It's a shame that so many providers seem to lack compassion and empathy. Thank you for your kind reply. ❤
"It's my story" "I'm the FIRST victim!" "it's not a game" "this is real life". If that's how she prioritises things she needs to step back. Leave social media for a month or two. It's not HER STORY It's a horrific crime that's ruined multiple people's lives. And she thinks it gives her the right to abuse others because she was the first victim. It's a terrible thing that happened to multiple people. She seems to put everything into the fact that she was the first victim. Like that means everyone should kowtow to her and let her bully other people. Hmm.
@@IvoryMane so let's say if onision came out with a story of abuse from his childhood or something and uses it as an excuse for all the shitty things he has done should we excuse his behaviour? I believe he was raised in a fucked up household but I don't think he gets a free pass because of past trauma. Adults deal with their issues. Hurting other people because you refuse to get help for past trauma is an awful thing to do.
I feel like this is a vicious cycle in sex scandals, having seen 2 decades worth of these things it baffles me why so much fighting among the innocent takes place.
Trauma literally makes people go feral while it works at scaring off the abuser, it also makes untraumatized (normal happy go lucky) people run for the hills too. Once your away from the abuser, trauma tells you to be so big and venomous to scare off other threats but this also scares off good people with good intentions too. This has nothing to do with you and is completely a trauma based response. So in order to heal she has to be vulnerable and let people in. This is going to be like cuddling a feral cat, they're going to claw the shit out of you until you pressure hold them long enough to let them know your not going to hurt them and you will let them go and repeat the cycle until they learn your not a bad guy.
Exactly :/ It is not a competition, but my best friend endured 10+ years of intense abuse at the hands of her own father. She doesn't treat people like this. She has emotional problems but it's mostly in the form of being unable to take criticism (like Shiloh)-abuse does make it difficult. But my BFF doesn't use it as an excuse to lash out at people or demonize them to others. She doesn't use other people to get back at somebody. What Shiloh has done talking trash about Edwin to "the other girls" and then coming to him and saying "I see why they don't like you" is seriously fucked up and gross. I don't care what kind of abuse a person has suffered--a LOT of people suffer worse. We can say a person isn't 100% responsible for their behavior when they've been abused, but we can also call it out when someone is allowing their abuse to keep them behaving in a super unhealthy way. It is only going to further hurt her and the people around her. I'm afraid I am of the mind that Shiloh was kind of like this already (at least with the willingness to be manipulative and hateful to people) and that this turn of events has just gassed her up too much. Greg is to blame for her arrested development but it needs to be handled. People just sitting around saying "yeah go off queen" is so harmful.
PTSD is different to every person that has it. My dad was very violent due to PTSD while I tend to implode. What she doing is indeed not good, but people pushing her constantly, saying she's in the wrong constantly, isn't helping whatsoever.
I’m proud of Edwin for standing up for himself, it’s not easy to deal with especially when it’s involving around your work space. Believe in yourself, stay strong for yourself. It’s disappointing to see she’s lashes out in this way, it’s just portraying herself as a hostile person. She needs to take a break from the internet. “Take a deep breathe, think clearly before you speak.” It’s just advise to help deal with stress and not feel the need to be uncomfortable; but taking a deep breathe helps try to make yourself comfortable. It doesn’t work for everyone, but I do believe Shiloh needs help pointing out this “reaction” because it does seems like a common thing for her. Which it’s not healthy for her, taking a step back is healthy to try new things.
Shiloh clearly needs to get off Twitter. She is clearly not ok. she appears to still needs counseling to deal with the anger she still has about her past abuse. I am not taking away from the abuse she experienced, but being a victim doesn’t give you the right to bully, threaten, or belittle other people. Someone close to her needs to convince her to get off social media because she is quickly undoing all the good work she has done
As someone who was sexually assaulted, I can kind of understand what she's doing. I, at some point, snapped at the people who were trying to help me as well. I'm not saying she's innocent because of what she went through, of course, but it's kind of part of the process (at least for me it was) in getting better. I hope she gets the help she deserves and needs and that she soon can get out of this phase of anger/misdirected self defence. I really wish her the best.
Did you lie about something or someone else? Because that is a real issue where, everyone apparently forget that she accused him of something he didn't do and can't let go of a thing that he was just done, he was completly over it, but she keep going, she didn't snap, she had a metdown a hard meltdown.
@@DarkHeartTheEmo I suppose it's kind of part of the feeling where you are finally being listened to and being understood. You wanna keep that attention because it's something you didn't receive from the relationship you were in. It's not good and she needs to understand that at some point but I can understand how it takes her some time to do so
@@e.vanl. Yes but that isn't right,remember Onision call her a liar and crazy, unfortunately this kind prove his point, now if you forgive I'm going to wash my mouth and hands I feel dirty after admitting that
DarkHeartTheEmo that’s what I’ve been saying...she is portraying herself the way he described her to a t, which may strengthen his credibility while lessening her’s (which could effect everyone else).
You are such a sweet soul keep doing what ur doing i believe 100% you are helping people including myself. Putting what was said to you on ur channel was the way to go. You are right people keep giving her pass after pass. I'm not down playing what she went through but i guarantee others including my self have been through a lot more. She really needs to get a grip and stop attacking people who only want the best for her especially you xoxo.
I feel it's a paranoid due to her PTSD from Greg. That said, that doesn't make it any less damaging. I hope she does get help and getting off of the internet would help her immensely in my opinion.
What she is doing is called outrageous overshadowing.... It is common in victims of PTSD. She has been through so much abuse because of one person. Now that all of the person's actions have come to light, and we can see them, she is acting out so that her actions overshadow those of her abusers..... it is a very common symptom of PTSD.... I myself have struggled with it..... and I hope she realizes that PTSD is real. She went through something very real and tragic and she may need help. She certainly needs to take a step back from social media and focus on herself, for her own peace of mind. Considering he is one of the most trending topics, it would make sense for her to engage in outrageous overshadowing. Being constantly reminded of your abuser must be triggering. Outrageous overshadowing via social media is a way to remove that trigger, by making yourself the most trending topic..... I'm not saying what she is doing is okay, but I hope if she sees this or anyone else that deals with this sees this, identifying what it is will help them cope with it.🖤🤟🖤
I'm so sorry you wnt through this! And I feel terrible for Shiloh as well. I wish she opened a patreon for financial support for therapy, I imagine quite a few people would donate. Also never heard of Outrageous overshadowing so thanks for sharing! It definitely seems like that's what's happening here.
Its just so sad because I can tell that she can't tell just how far this goes. She doesn't see that it's HARMFUL to use her status as "first victim" as a title for herself. Many people with PTSD make an identity out of their trauma to help make sense of it, its just extremely unhealthy in the end however because all it ends up doing is making you hold on to it.
Outrageous overshadowing is when one thing is so ridiculous or horrible that other things are small or go under the rug in comparison. I have PTSD and have done a lot of education on being trauma informed and if anything, it goes the opposite way. Like, she compares what she has been thru being so horrible that she minimizes everything bad she does in comparison.
She needs to take a break from social media. It isn't helping. Her reaction wasn't that of someone who has a healthy mindset. It's just making her more stressed than she needs to be right now.
She wants to be left alone, but goes after people who aren't even talking about(to) her? Strange I stand for stopping abuse, emotionally, physically, and mentally. Just because you've been hurt by someone, doesn't mean you can't hurt someone else. I hate to say it, but I think Greg(James) has had a bigger character impression on Shiloh, just like he does Kai than we thought. Please, from the kindness of my heart, *Shiloh, take better care of your mind, and get some help.*
This was a particularly stressful video to produce since it is about one of Onision's victims. However, the behavior is just NOT okay at all and has gone too far at this point. I understand she is a victim of Onision's abuse, but this should not give anyone a pass for harassing and manipulating others. In this video, I go over what led to her lashing out at me, her DMs at people about me, her DMs with me, and her public lashing out of me on twitter from last Saturday night. Thank you for being understanding and watching all the way through! Timestamps: 0:00 What led to her lashing out to me 2:31 Shiloh DMs followers in attempts to manipulate them about our conversation 7:09 The DM conversation between Shiloh and I with full context 15:26 Emotional Manipulation and what it is 19:15 My responses to her snapping at me 22:25 Going over Shiloh's tweets about me/in general from Saturday night 33:11 Shiloh I guess holding an apology hostage for me? and my responses 37:08 My final thoughts/Shiloh unblocks me to send me one final message
Ed, you are handling this like an a-hole, with an emphasis on the a. Your drumming up people to attack, injure, and insult a sexual assault victim. If you really cared about Shiloh, you would handle this like an adult, and simply not make these videos.
No but the girl has trauma that she has tried to cope through that fucked her up that she is now seeing every single day again and has to relive so its probally eating her up
As someone who has cptsd too, I tended to lash out at people for a while. But I took accountability for my actions, and was able to seek better help to stop that behavior. Using your ptsd to silence those around you is wrong.
Shiloh really makes things worse for herself and others Onision really traumatized and took advantage of her. She needs a break from Twitter instead of coming after people who are trying to help her for no reason. Love you Edwin.
I mean, listen, PTSD can make you extremely shitty because of the extreme anger you feel. You feel like everyone is against you, it's literally a symptom to have an overly negative view of people and the world. I'm ashamed of how I acted sometimes and I also had to accept that some behaviours I learned from my abuser and I had to unlearn them, which took many years. But I had to do it, because I wasnt my best self. Yes, I was abused into who I became but it was my responsibility to get better and act better. The way I behaved was entirely on me. She can't act like this and think that her being an abuse victim makes up for it. She has to listen to people and realize that shes not being the best person she can be, if you're being called out it's now always because ~everyone is against you~, it's because they care. I think she will grow up and learn that the way she acted wasnt okay, I'm not sure I can see her realizing it now tho. Shes obviously very sick and hasn't gotten the right treatment yet. I hope she gets help, I really do
@@stalkerbabychild giving a reason is not the same as excusing it. Her PTSD probably is the cause of her behaving this way, maybe even malnutrition because of her ed. It's not an excuse, its just a reason why. It could be her ego too with a mix of mental illness, we dont really know. But I do see myself in her and I never had a big ego. Saying she has a big ego wont do her any good either, nothing we really say will do her any good. If she doesnt want to change, she doesnt
@@samuelm2989 it absolutely is being used as an excuse though, maybe not by you but a lot of other people. When you're made aware of your behaviour "I have ptsd" doesn't come into the conversation unless you're talking about how to avoid the behaviour in the future.
@@stalkerbabychild you have a point, I'm sure other people do it. It wasnt personally my intention. I think it's hard to call mentally ill people out since they are suffering and I think people are afraid of causing any negative feelings, which I get but isnt great. It's definitely not good for her if people are excusing her behaviour because of her ptsd since that enables her and doesnt allow her to grow.
You're good, fam. What was done to her is not okay. What she's doing is also not okay. This should not be a difficult concept. You can sympathise with a victim and also point out that a victim's behaviour is not productive.
We stand by you Edwin...I feel Billie and Sarah would be against Shiloh lashing out....Skye..Billie..Sarah..Adrain has moved on...not Shiloh..she is making things worse for herself
@@Mercy4theMartyr unfortunately....her being victim while very sad...she seems to think she can run around saying anything she wants because she thinks she has a pass..which sounds a little entitled..as an abused victim myself...while I stand with Shiloh the Onion slayer....I dont stand for Shiloh the verbal abuser and manipulator
@@sketchpen777One can only hold on to victimhood for so long before misery wears out it's welcome. It becomes sink or swim. Shiloh will sink if she doesn't learn to let go of the weight. Onion may or may not get what is coming to him, but if she keeps holding on, he is winning.
Do we think that Chris Hansen will still support her or drop her because what she did hurts his investigation? That will be interesting to see. He has been her biggest supporter, I wonder if he'll stand by her or even address this at all.
Unfortunately Chris Hansen has been doing a great deal to hurt the investigation himself, he has mishandled a lot of things and made some weird choices....
She has a REALLY bad victim mentality. I know because of my experience dealing with PTSD. I had to come to this realization, and come to terms that I was a victim of what happened but not a victim of life.
I like both of you but as a victim myself I've made similar mistakes, but that's what it is a mistake, that you need to be held accountable for and not use victimhood as an excuse to behave shitty. I actually think Edwin has been really mature in this situation tbh.
@Lady Jane I thought so! Thanks for the clear up! It's a shame what all these girls have gone through and it's taken ages for it to be brought to light but I guess this happens with most cases unfortunately :/
She's discrediting the hard work and bravery her "sisters" have done by claiming she's the most important victim, and that she's fighting this battle alone. She was not the first victim, nor the last, she's just one of the many, and by her trying to take control of the entire victimhood narrative and be the leader against their abuser, she's making herself and her sisters look crazy and powerhungry. She's also behaving exactly as Onision would want her to, and she can't even see it. It's almost like he remade her in his image.
When she left Onision she was attacked online - I can only imagine any type of criticism would be difficult for her to see. Even the slightest. She's reacting in a way that I can see myself doing under similar amount of stress (I have PTSD and Borderline Personality disorder. When I am stressed or angry, I do some pretty damaging things. I'm hurtful and rude to people. I don't take criticism. I push people away. Severe mental breakdown. Like a dangerous autopilot). I hope she takes a step back. All this shit is definitely too much. It probably got overwhelming really quick.
Thank you for sharing you story. It’s important for people to realize that BPD doesn’t make you a horrible person, that ppl should stay away from. There’s so much misinformation...
While Shiloh screams at people on social media, Skye is offline going back to school, working her ass off and moving on from this. I'm really proud of her (though she wouldn't want me making the comparison). We haven't talked in a few months but I consider that a good thing given the circumstances! I wish other people would pick up her grown-up example.
Seriously. I had to pause and take a break when i saw her saying she was the "first victim". I was completely behind Shiloh and all the girls but this isn't a good look. It takes away from the real issue and shes making it all about her while screaming US, WE, THE GIRLS, but its all actually me, me, me. She talks about the other girls as if she owns them, or IS them. I get being protective, but damn. And i understand shes fucked up from all this, and i admire her and the girls for standing up for themselves, but this is messed up and inexcusable. I hope she gets help.
@@c.r.8815 She's hysterical because she's having a psychotic break. She just wants people to leave her alone and she's trying to explain why, because apparently just asking isn't a good enough reason.
@@mydogeatspuke No, it isn't about her wanting to be left alone. She put her story out there for the public (which again, is very admirable and very brave!!!) She went on Hansen twice, she advocates for abuse victims, she outs (alleged) abusers, its been proven she DMs people first a number of times to start things, she attacks people that ask questions or she thinks aren't immediately supporting her and the girls. If its about wanting to be left alone, she isn't doing a good job advocating that (i.e. walking away from social media and getting help). None of the other girls are acting like this despite also being in the middle of the Onision shitshow. I agree she's having a mental breakdown, but it sure as shit has nothing to do with wanting to be left alone.
@@c.r.8815 She can want to stand in solidarity with fellow abuse victims and still wish to be left alone instead of being compared to her abuser and told she is no better than him. So many people on here are so narrow minded and ignorant to reality, it really is astounding to me how out of touch you all are.
“I WAS THE FIRST VICTIM” tell us how you really feel wow she definitely needs a break, being the first don’t make you any better then the other victims wow she basically wants a free pass to do what ever she wants in life and harass anyone who hurts her ego
She doesnt feel full of herself. She feels forgotten or less important. She came out first and everyone still keeps questioning her as if she never spoke out in the first place. Leave the poor woman alone omg
William Dodge jr I kind of think that too tbh. She was perfectly fine before all these years until onision gets back in the spotlight and Sarah spoke up.
OMG it's so annoying how her tweet said, "I begged you to leave me alone 24 hours after your DM." and "... I opened up to you about the fragile mental state I was in" .... First of all, he never asked you to do that. You did it in a fit of emotion and anger that wasn't even warranted. Like girl... he sent you a couple messages, in which you replied to rudely. Then as the next day came, you replied to his ONE message with a barrage of your own... asking him to leave you alone when he hadn't even said anything else yet as you spammed him! My gosh!
Exactly!! And the whole 'Message me like a real man. LEAVE ME ALONE.' Like, what?? You're telling him multiple times to message you but also want him to leave you alone, which is it?
Man the way she vomited all of those messages in your dms gave me anxiety... emotional blackmail is sadly one of my weak spots, it's a vile form of manipulation and it's so upsetting that she's doing this to people who are only trying to help. The worst part is she's most certainly unaware of what she's doing. Idk this really hit me
Also how it seems like the other girls seem to appreciate edwins coverage and support and then she trys to make public enemy out of him. It's really uncomfy.
"I'm on suicide watch" I'm sorry but no one is responsible for her mental health but herself. I'm so sick of people weaponizing their mental health. If she's really feeling like she can't handle it then she needed to take responsibility and leave the situation, not get more involved.
Suicide watch occurs in a clinical setting as well, and you wouldn’t be allowed access to tech. Hate to say it but she’s utilizing her victim status to get attention and fuel herself. She needs a lot of work.
Vixxxen Fox thank you. I work in trauma so I wasn’t totally sure. I dislike when people weaponize and lie about their health problems for attention, like there aren’t those of us out here who can fact check it. It’s sad tbh. She needs a lot of help.
Yeah as Canadian the "I need to pay for therapy" and "suicide watch" comments are BS. I've been on suicide watch several times, happens inside a hospital psych ward where they confiscate your phone to prevent external emotional triggers like social media or abusers. Psych therapy is very free, not perfect but free. There are an ton of non-profits that also provide a ton of less clinical therapies.. for free. She's trying to play a lot of Americans who actually think that is how healthcare works here.
@@azarinevil Hi there! Another Canadian here, but as "free" as therapy might be, it's often not accessible and also not helpful. As someone who as also been on suicide watch and trying to get therapy with no benefits, that is true. You can be on a 72 hour suicide watch from your own home. Despite trying, I was able to get on my phone. It made thing worse. Maybe for you it's easy to get help within mental health, but it's not free and definitely not as easy as people think. I'm not saying she's right here, but I would look into it more as a Canadian.
You're too nice Edwin. You're a lovely person and need to stop giving people like this the time of day. She seems unwell and lashing out at people because SHE actually seems like the one who is on her 'High horse' ever since her Hansen interview. It's gratuitous self pity and unfotunately is reflecting badly on all of the victims.
Funtang Woo what is the point of being mean or harsh to someone just to fight back I feel like it’s weak. What Edwin is doing is respectful and I’m honestly glad he’s being nice because being harsh to someone who suffers from abuse is just hateful I know she’s lashing out but you have to realize you don’t fight fire with fire. Unlike another unnamed youtuber who uses unflattering pictures of her and makes a horrible disrespectful title, Edwin uses mature thumbnails and goes about things in a mature way. I may not agree with some things on his channel but I’d rather him be mature about his opinions instead of a trolly turd
I like this video, I just feel like comparing Shilo’s actions to Onision’s isn’t the right move since he is her abuser... she might not be a good person, but I don’t think her immaturity can be compared to the pain she went through
Mariam Elzeftawi it is kinda rough. I just hope shiloh can realize that her behavior is bad (regardless of if shes acting like g**g) and become a better version of herself. and I dont think shes a bad person, just doing very bad things. I want to root for her... as long as she doesnt dig herself into a bigger pit. :/
Its actually important to bring up because its common for abuse victims to take on some of their abusers traits and go on to abuse others because they don’t realize theyre mirroring the same abusive behaviors that harmed them
@@bunnibabe6855 Yes, just going to mention this. That seems exactly like what is happening too. The lies or changes in the story that make her look "better", that are so subtle that a lot of people may not catch... Those are his behaviors and now she is doing the same thing.
Kendra Rothman she spent her important developmental years with him definitely experiencing Stockholm syndrome so its no surprise she picked up some of his traits and its no surprise shes scared to acknowledge that because no victim wants to see their abuser in themselves. She seemed to continue a pattern of entering abusive relationships after greg too so its forsure that she hasnt had the time she needs to heal and grow with professional therapy and possible medication treatment if necessary. She just learned more of the abusive traits as a defense mechanism and its caused her a victim complex so even when shes victimized others she can only view her self as the victim and others as just people who want to hurt and silence her like her abusers (even when thats clearly not the case at hand). I hope she considers therapy and maybe some short term inpatient treatment.
I agree ngl just kinda shaking my head during that part. i get what he was trying to display but meh the videos of him could have gone without. Still good video though :)
I feel bad how she refers herself as patient zero... like her life still revolves around that traumatic event she’s literally IDENTIFYING herself with it...
Nadien Jansen 😭😭you def love in a shell if you don’t know who xxxtentacion is or Juice Wrld i guarantee you’ve atleast heard one of their songs. If not you’re just a boomer
tabitha stabitha You’re about to be called an “abuser apologist” for not buzzing with the hivemind. She’s as pathological as Greg, and you can see that in how all the sudden adoration has empowered her to mistreat whomever she wants. She knows she has a mindless army now who’ll jump to defend her for her #1 BEST VICTIM OF ALL TIME status.
This whole thing just proved just how deep Onision's damage runs. His abuse and the devastation left in his wake..... he is creating mini versions of himself. Help is needed.
@@toriel4933 aw let's ignore peoples abusive behavior because they're poor wittle victims who are unable to take responsibility for their actions! Even better idea!
Being a victim of abuse doesn't excuse perpetuating abuse, but it does explain it. I agree that she needs to be held accountable for her actions, regardless of her diagnoses or past, but I do think we need to understand why people who have experienced Trauma like this act out in such ways. I hope she finds help, healing, and happiness in her future.
@Edwins Generation You're welcome! I tend to keep things bottled up a lot when things are getting stressful for me so I'm very familiar with the look. I know I'm just a random person on the internet but I'm happy to listen if you need to talk to someone outside your friends and family. =)
@Augusta Mae If I recall correctly (this was a difficult time for me so the details are blurry bc my brain blocked them out, I apologize) after a friend of mine tried to kill themself they were on suicide watch in the hospital and they were texting me but they always had a nurse in their room to observe them and make sure they don't do anything. So I don't think they always take away your phone, if ever, but I would think that if Shiloh had some sort of care provider around her they would notice that spending time on her phone is causing her some kind of distress, and try to take it away? I don't know, I'm really not sure how it works.
Also I dont think shes in a hospital? Does she mean like in her own little circle? I honestly think she pulled that out in response to getting called out on her dumb shit.
Just like to point out that these victims aren’t comparable. Shiloh went through the aftermath of her abuse by herself without the whole internet on her side. People calling her weak minded and saying Sarah and Billie handled their aftermath better isn’t comparable at all. Although Billie got bullied her story brought a lot of attention to Onison’s crappy behavior and Sarah had people on her side from the beginning. Shiloh has no one, got bullied off the internet and I think people forget that she did have a promising career before Onison. She has been through a lot, while her behavior isn’t acceptable, people would rather try to force her into an apology and compare her to themselves or other victims than take a step back and really ask. “Is this girl okay.”
You're right, she has been through a lot and she's not okay, but now she has got to take the steps to get herself professional help to deal with her cptsd and whatever else is going on with her.
She needs to get off Twitter and continue getting professional help. She doesn’t need to make an apology at this moment, but she needs to get off Twitter. She is her own worst enemy right now. So many people were supporting her, but this blind hostility is damaging all of the good will people have for her. I’m not saying she shouldn’t be feeling these feelings, but I am saying that Twitter is clearly triggering for her and she needs to delete her app and take a long break. She runs the risk of turning into the villain. A lot of prior abuse victims go on to be abusers. That temper of hers is getting out of hand. She is using the same tactics Greg issues. That should be a huge red flag for her and her friends.
Angel Jones I agree sometimes social media can be toxic. I believe that she wanted to be apart of Onison’s take down without fully understanding her mental stability. Hell even people who don’t have thousands of followers need to take a break from social media. I’ve been saying that she’s not going to be forced into an apology. The whole world can tell her she’s wrong but she’s the only one who will be able to convince herself. People are calling her narcissistic and egotistical but I don’t believe so. I believe that she’s defensive and believes everyone is an enemy and wants the worst for her, the people who call her out only care about themselves. which is what she’s throwing at Edwin. Hopefully eventually she will be well enough to make amends,
Being a victim in a situation doesn’t give you an excuse to be abusive to other people. It’s so bad for you. I really hope she gets help, you can tell this is tearing her up. She needs to step back and worry about her own health.
She is a bit fkn crazy tho, hello? Greg can't be making it all up about her. Even another one of her exs said she barricaded him in a room just like Greg said she did to him. Like....
I also have cptsd due to traumas and yes it has caused many anger problems, and maybe even jumping to conclusions/viewing people who aren't as a threat and lashing out, through my life but I do know that I'M responsible for however that anger or misunderstanding affects another person. Yes, she may be suffering greatly right now, but that doesn't mean you're in the right. We're not always in the right simply because we're traumatised. I don't know if this makes any sense or even if what I mean comes across but.
Good for you. It took me years to realise I was reproducing certain things my abuser did because he fucked up my mental state so bad I'd normalised that toxic behaviour. And I got healthier but only after spending thousands of dollars in therapy, psychologists and medication. What she did was bad, I'm not defending her. I'm just providing a possible explanation. I think it'd be better to lay off her for a while, she needs to take care of herself to acknowledge the wrong she's done.
I really like shiloh, I relate to her experience and I enjoy her personality when I have seen it, but just because you have been abused doesn't give you a pass to treat other people like crap. On the opposite side, I will say that alot of abuse victims especially mental and emotional abuse, there have been cases where the victim can fall into patterns of manipulation because its what they have been exposed to. I've had a long hard time getting myself out of a few of my exes abusive habits because they helped me survive him at the time. I had to accept that I relied on it as a toxic tool, and tell my close people so they can help me change my behaviour. So, long story short, either shiloh is unfortunately using her experience to excuse the toxic actions, or she needs some more support in getting rid of old toxic tools that have come from her relationship. Either way my point still stands. Just because you have been abused in the past doesn't give you a free pass to treat others badly.
Bruh I started smoking in order to cope with an an abusive boyfriend and 8 years later I still struggle to quit. If that's not a testament to toxic coping habits I dont know what is.
I'm a smoker myself so understand, it's not easy when very little works to help sometimes. I hope you both are doing better now and in happier situations.
@@MonstehDinosawr I truly understand managing is always better than not, I have to try to remember that I'm basically rewriting my brain and they way it connects things, and it's actually going to take a while , so managing is always worth celebrating.
She clearly has some serious emotional issues going on from her trauma. I would NEVER take anything she has to say personally. I think she has some very serious issues to work out. It seems like she has taken on some of her abuser’s traits. Sad very very sad.
That's the point I think people need to focus on. She isn't in her right mind. She's having a psychotic episode because of the stress of the situation, as everything around her is triggering her illness. She isn't trying to lash out and hurt people. She's trying to get them to leave her alone because she cannot handle it anymore. If people want to keep baiting her by accusing her of being abusive, they're going to get yelled at, and it's insane to believe they wouldn't be. She's being accused of doing the very thing that was done to her, being accused of causing the same damage to people that was caused to her, just because she has asked them to leave her alone. Whether she's in the wrong or not is irrelevant, because Edwin absolutely is, and perhaps once she's of sound mind she will see the patterns of her behaviour and feel remorse or apologetic, but she doesn't HAVE TO. She is the victim here, she was his victim, and she has had irreparable damage caused to her by him. She definitely needs to get off the internet, it is toxic as heck and people are just going to keep baiting her for attention. "Look, she's being a psycho with me too! Screenshots for proof, like and subscribe!"
this has been happening behind the scenes for 2 years. Should see what Sarah and Dylan have been doing too. Don't act surprised everyone! There have been several ppl who have spoken out about their behavior and been ignored for years.....
@@QueenOfKarma it blows my mind that people can look at war vets with PTSD and how they hide from loud noises or hallucinate their ceiling fans being choppers and totally understand that, but struggle to understand that abuse victims with PTSD might also have somewhat "odd" behaviours. Too many armchair psychologists online thinking reading a couple of websites makes them an expert. Interesting that you all accuse Onion of being a sociopath but fail to see how you mirror so many of his behaviours against his actual victims, perpetuating the abuse that caused their PTSD in the first place.
@@mydogeatspuke I have cptsd myself. I did a video December 4 about how these girls are going to get cptsd bc Hansen is screwing with this. I then got told by the anti Os that CPTSD doesn't exist. These victims have been struggling for months and there's a lot of odd things going on behind the scenes. But nobody wants to hear it. Bc apparently it ruins the Onision investigation. When there isn't one. Grooming isn't illegal. He didn't rape anyone. Cops have been there and not arrested him. The shit show should have been left in 2019 but every one has to make their money and claim its for the greater good. And love how Edwin plays into the false RSN narrative. Wait til they start calling you a rapist or get a girl to come visit and frame you Edwin. Then you can complain. Oh. No. Shiloh yelled at you boo hoo. All these losers framed a man and ruined his life. Maybe two men. Maybe many more. Some have men from the past who claim they were falsely accused too. Nobody wanted to do real research. Every one just jumped on to make videos to get popular and make money. Lie all you want.
The sad reality? Victims of abuse/manipulation can sometimes become the abusers/manipulators. It’s a bad cycle and often a defense mechanism/learned behavior
I feel I HAVE to say this again. Edwin is by no means a little onision. He NEVER EVER SAID bc Shiloh's behavior is wrong means that suddenly Edwin AGREES with all the BS onision has done. People saying it's Edwin's fault Shiloh's losing credibility NO it's Shiloh's fault. Edwin's pretty much baffled like the rest of us and is posting the truth back with actual proof that Edwin's not just running his mouth simply to make a video for "clout". If anyone to he mad it it's Shiloh's for also making the other girls in this investigation look bad. Again, Edwin's never said he agreed with onision so there's THAT. Yet apparently no one's had very called Shiloh out on her erratic angry behavior which is why even as an adult she thinks she's in the right and thinks if she makes up stuff like bc one disagrees with her behavior,they are dragging her under the bus, in fact, someone NEEDS to stand up n tell her No your behavior is Not ok. We have all been through bad stuff in out past. Hers with onision does Not make It ok for her to lie, act like an angry lunatic and be insulting bc she doesn't want to be told she's in the wrong. Props to you Edwin for standing up for yourself. Bc u know what you were doing and you know what Shiloh was doing wasn't ok. Normally you try to be kind,nice,not provoke people but Shiloh continued to be a rude,mean,insultive behavior..so I'm proud you stood up for yourself and your followers. Good job🐢🐢🐢🐢 Cara
@@ThomasinaJefferson-ke7xs people have left ignorant comments like thanks for helping onisions case now etc..they'd be highly delusional to think that though n probably only say it as a manipulative tactic to try to silence him bc I guess they don't watch his videos n see Edwin doesn't typically go off on people for the heck of it and is pretty smart..so the tactics wouldn't work
I feel like he drew the line when she started attacking his followers. That’s a very low blow, and they didn’t make the video about her, or anything they’re innocent. (Probably minors too).
When I saw shiloh's first interview with Chris Hansen, my heart broke for her because I've been abused as well. But it's not uncommon for a victim to eventually become the abuser and that's very sad. It's a vicious cycle.
It actually made me nauseous by her saying she was on suicide watch, was dying in front of everyone’s eyes and no one will help her, etc. I also raised an eyebrow when she said she was the “FIRST VICTOM” Skye didn’t count? She’s not processing the fact that no one wanted this to happen. I STILL support Shiloh and “her girls” (which has always made me feel weird by her calling them that) even with this behavior because I’m sure it is stemming from mental health. I’m bipolar, but I don’t use my mood cycling as an excuse for poor behavior. I genuinely hope Shiloh can reflect on what happened, release it was wrong and apologize and grow stronger from the situation.
Okay, hear me out. This is a very subjective topic but I can see both sides to this. As someone who has been manipulated, sexually abused, groomed, alienated and not believed for my own traumas, I see why Shiloh’s guard is up so high. This is unknown territory for her to be believed for once. She has bonded with the people who have been through the same thing as she may feel partly guilty for what happened to them as she was the first victim of onions. I also have complex ptsd, along with bpd and severe anxiety; and my own traumas have been very similar to shiloh’s in the way they manifested and must have manifested within her young brain too. I have a lot of time and empathy for Shiloh, as it’s very obvious that for years all she wanted was for people to believe her, and now that they do, she is TERRIFIED to lose it and see the way the internet treated her 10 years ago all over again. She is hurting. She is in pain, and all of this talking and also hearing what the man that abused her did to other women too will have absolutely torn her apart. She is very clearly unhealed, and the way she speaks very openly about her ED and the fact she is on suicide watch isn’t in order to emotionally blackmail you intentionally (at least not how I read it), but it’s a cry for help to show people that having the internet on her side won’t fix everything Greg did to her. A big behavioural trait of bpd is manipulative talking/blackmail etc, and although it all may look like we’re trying to hurt you and make you feel bad through our words and actions, it goes a lot deeper than that. It is a form of validation for the emotions we are feeling, to scream it at people so that it can’t be ignored or invalidated anymore. I see why you are hurt by her responses to you, and yes it correlates a lot with some of Greg’s past behaviour.. but I do not feel for a second you can speak on behalf of her trauma or her ability to accept criticism vs praise. It is very obvious she is in a lot of mental pain and is in need of a good break from the internet, but for now her only validation for her trauma is through the internet believing her for once. Yes it is her responsibility on what she does on the internet, but it is also your responsibility to not fuel the fire on the internet, and thus the fire inside of Shilohs poor mind. This is a lot more complex than a few angry tweets and who has blocked who. I’m sorry if this came across as blameful or hostile, but shilohs story resinates deeply within me, and I see myself in her actions. I feel this subject is just too sensitive to really cover effectively without anybody’s feelings getting hurt.
Hold on a second. Anyone correct me if this is possible but I was on suicide watch and I wasn't allowed to have a phone or internet access at all. Especially when the internet is a trigger for you which seems to be for her because she is constantly reminded of her abuse and abuser so I'm sceptic about this part.
When I first saw Shiloh in her first CH interview, I thought, wow, she’s gotten so much confidence. I’m so glad she managed to overcome what happened to her, I hope one day I can be as strong as her. Now the more I see going on, I’m seeing her confidence as arrogance and superiority. ☹️
The saddest thing is that she actually wants to be helpful and “protect” every victim, but in reality she is doing more harm. I feel bad for how this may affect the victims including her in a negative way.
I’m just gonna say this, when you get out of an abusive relationship you are on the defense and everything, literally everything, is an attack. And so you lash out with everything that you have, even if it’s irrational, because you spent so long in flight mode. But now you don’t have to be, so you go straight into fight mode so something like that doesn’t ever happen again. You get stuck in that. You don’t let anyone get close enough to ever hurt you again, you push them all away. I’m not saying that Shiloh is in the right for attacking anyone but at the same time I understand what she’s going through, I get it and I’ve been through it more than a few times. I hope she’s getting help for this because it can eat you alive. Some people never get past that defensive stage of being and it’s no way to live and she deserves better. The people who care about her deserve better. Every single victim everywhere deserves better.
Yeah but that doesn't excuse your behaviour. You paint everyone with the same brush; what does that say about you? Lashing out at people because you've been lashed out at is as stupid as "an eye for an eye". I'm an abuse survivor. I've never tarnished men as having the same mentality as my abuser. That just leads to a bitter life.
I have PTSD, I've had break downs like this obviously not in a public way and I feel awful that hers is so public... But that doesn't justify her actions.
Yeah I have BPD and I won’t even lie I’ve had some pretty huge explosive episodes behind closed doors. When I’m going through it I know social media is a big no for me
Shiloh's a hot mess! She needs to get off social media and concentrate on therapy. I myself was an abuse victim for 3.5 years and I have kids with my abuser so I've had to continue dealing with him for the last 13 years since I got away so I know what being a victim feels like...
Okay but maybe one person will deal with their abuser differently than others? I tried to talk to my dad after 10 years because people kept pushing me and I'm just left with a spiralling mentality and memories seeping through my amnesic blockages. Just because you know what it's like to be abused doesn't mean your way of dealing with abuse is the only one. She does need a break, but saying she's doing this 'wrong' is just making things worse. You know what being A victim is like, you don't know what it's like to be someone else and a victim.
As someone who's endured a very abusive relationship for years physically and mentally, if you succumb to becoming the abuser instead of working and helping yourself, I no longer feel bad for you. I got help and got better, sis. We are not the same.
After I left my abuser, I started noticing that I took on some of his awful behaviour & acted it out on my next partner.
I have so much guilt about that. I was nowhere near how intense he had been, but I was still harmful to my partner. Ugggh. I've never thought of it as an excuse, just a factor. After awhile, and a particularly bad incident, I separated myself from him and enrolled in therapy. I've done 2 years of intensive DBT and have avoided any intimate relationships until I know for certain that I can control my emotions in a healthy way
You are right, I think we all do that in one way or another. But the way I see it you can respond one of 2 ways: acknowledge it, make your amends and work on yourself to leave those behaviors behind and grow or lean into it and relish in your victimhood, excusing your shitty behavior.
Shiloh has gone with the latter and it’s a shame.
Don’t beat yourself up over what you did in response to being abused, no one understands the mental fuckery it leaves you with unless they’ve been there. It’s just a chapter in the long book of your life and once you’ve read past it, that’s where it should be allowed to stay, in the past. You are a strong person for growing like you did. Sending out props and love from someone who totally understands.
I relate strongly! My mother abused me terribly and I noticed some of her traits came out in me in how I treated my sister and partner in moments of anger, even when they did nothing wrong. I did DBT too! I completed two programs, 16 weeks each. The DEAR MAN skill is so helpful and I still use it. The distraction skills help me a lot when a panic attack is coming on. Sadly doesn't help much with my flashbacks but I'm a work in progress.
It was really cool to see a comment I related to so much. Thank you for writing it
so much love for yall. i have done the same in the past. onward and upward, with loving compassion for our mistakes on the way
Yo I appreciate you. It took me 4 years of self destructing before taking a good damn look at myself and realizing I got screwed up way more than I thought.
@@dreamingangel18 let's celebrate all of us for knowing we had a problem! Some people never reach that level of self awareness. We are working on ourselves
"I was the first victim" Um, what about Skye? I don't think Skye went through as much as Shiloh did, but according to what Skye has shared SO FAR, Greg:
-wouldn't let her get a job to make her own income
-stated on his own channel that he loved her little sister more
-kept pornographic pictures of her little sister
-withdrew from her and started spending all his time on Skype (with 17-year-old Shiloh)
-flew to Pennsylvania to cheat on her with a 17-year-old girl
-followed her around the house demanding she sign fake divorce papers he printed off online that would give her barely any spousal support and for only a year, after she had helped HIM build his channel, and she had no job of her own
-compared her to a slave owner because he had to pay spousal support to her for leaving her for a 17-year-old girl, which sent all his rabid fans after her
-and still continued to hit on her little sister through all this, even e-mailing her an offer to come out and be on his UA-cam channel....the same day he e-mailed Skye saying he was out of money.
And for all we know, Skye might not even be the first victim. After all, he once described a time in high school when he told his "preppy" girlfriend to prove she loved him by coming to school as a goth because he knew that would be humiliating for her.
She’s making it sound like it’s an honour, she’s weaponizing her victim status so much.
Thank you. This has always bugged me, how she claimed she was the first victim disregarding skye whom greg cheated on with her...
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE MINUTE I HEARD THAT
Greg's sister? He did a video about her.
Honestly, a part of me thinks she completely ignored her because she "took" (for lack of a better word) her place (she being Shiloh) and she was the one Onion boy cheated on Skye with. She makes her victim hood her only personality trait and uses it to emotionally blackmail people on social media, but refuses to acknowledge another victim. Not cool.
”I was the FIRST.”
No, Skye and her sister the first....
RIGHT!?!
Benny D. Were they also underage? Geez :(
@@DevilishDaysxMaui I believe her sister was.
Teriyaki Pirate I didn’t hear about that that’s awful jakashgsjwqkgsgskaak
@@DevilishDaysxMaui if I remember correctly, he was dating Skye but had the hots for her younger sister and didn't even try to hide it.
Shiloh saying "I'll be waiting here with your apology when you're done insulting me" has the same energy as your parent saying "oh look who finally decided to join us"
Or if you dont want to eat the food I made * THEN * you can go hungry.
arlothedino omg 😂
😂😂
Shiloh is most likely just as much a narcissist as Onision.
@@missmarie3351 unfortunately, that's the cycle of abuse.
Being a victim doesn't make you a good person.
Being a victim doesn't give you a free pass.
Being a victim isn't an excuse to attack others.
You are only a victim while it's happening.
Staying in the mindset of I'm a victim is not okay.
PTSD is very real and can make you behave like she is. Feeling like people are attacking you when they aren't.
But that's when you realize what you're doing, step back and handle yourself.
She needs to step back from all of it and get out of the victim mindset. This isn't healthy.
As a survivor myself this is beyond true and people NEED to understand this.
This. All of this.
Her going "I'm the first victim!" (which she even isn't) and describing her life as "my story" just shows how she doesn't even want to get out of the victim bubble. It's self-destructive in the long run and she should, like it's been said billion times, take a break from social media. A long one. Then think what she wants from her future.
I Love this ❤️ " You are only a victim while it's happening to you, Staying In the mindset of a victim is not ok" 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 excellent point
And she needs to seek professional help.
Finally ugh people are starting to realize yesss!!!
She’s a bully plain & simple. She went right for the throat & hasn’t stopped
Get offline Shiloh. Get the hell offline and take care of yourself. She is probably stressing out the other girls too by doing this
Especially with the "now I see why soandso hates getting texts from you" "None of them respect you anymore"
Like woooooooah you have some balls speaking like that on someone's behalf when its not even true. That would burn my bridge with her if I were them.
I think that she is just mad because she did not get what she really wanted from this situation.
@@divern7229 bigger notoriety?
Sometimes TRUE journalism comes at a cost..but it’s better than giving up your integrity!
I was basically thinking that but instead of journalism, merely thinking of the word "integrity." Ignoring her lies and manipulation because she's a victim of Onision would simply not sit well with me.
@@edwinsgeneration I've posted too many comments attesting to the fact that. Though I don't know you in real life,based in your videos with your commentary is: you never just make bs videos just to be vindictive or mean. When you are speaking about something bad someone did or said, you bring proof of that bc you know anyone can say anything online n how can one be believed without proof? This alone separates you from UA-cam channels who just rant or insult others. You come across as being empathetic when need be, intelligent even still try to be a kind decent person toothers when trying to clear up BS they created.
Again, you never once said this means you agree with what onision has done...and it's NOT EDWIN MAKING Shiloh look bad, it's Shiloh making herself lost credibility n look bad, as well as he girls she claimed to care for so much.
Shiloh claims you only want he clout,uh seems like she should look in the mirror and get off her victim trian bc that's what she's doing at any cost,be it lying, attempting to manipulate others or her own narrative and it's wrong.
Thank you for sticking to the facts. All Shiloh can do is lash out bc three are no talk legit excused for her behavior. We have all had bad things happen in life, alot of people have PTSD n anxiety,this doesn't mean they get a pass to be this type of person. However,at first people did give her a pass till she kept acting erratic and stirring up BS for reasons only Shiloh seems to know in her mind.
I'm not discrediting what onision did to her but I've been through a lot worse n others worse than me yet this doesn't mean I get to treat people like she's been doing. When she's caught n called out as with the Dms n the one girl who blocked her yet Shiloh went on a diff acct proceeded to threaten the girl; it's absurd and lunacy
She's also pretty much spitting on the platform and credibility having Chris Hansen's support brought to her. As well as everyone who patted her on the back for coming out to tell her story. She's trying to make sure people don't forget what happened to Shiloh and remember she has a reasons to be a bitter unempathetic jerk as well as lie when she seems it necessary.
Sadly, I don't doubt what other girls from onision drama have said but am wondering how much of what Shiloh said was BS,manipulation as well as game playing. If as an adult she acts like an immature teenager who has to make things how she wants them,be it a story about something that happened n at any cost,lies, manipulating others, severely over dramatic, etc Then how was she as a 17 yr old girl who obviously had freedom from her parental guidance to be in a relationship with an adult male?
Sorry this was so long
🐢🐢🐢 Cara
Edwins Generation I agree. You did what any reasonable person would. I have followed this story for years and I am, more than anything, really disappointed in her vibe. I guess I expected something else? It shows you really never can have expectations for a particular result when it comes to behavior. Why do you think she is using Greg’s behavior as a shield for her own? It’s really odd.
This!
Edwins Generation exactly!
When in narcissistic, abusive relationship, you tend to pick up the traits of your abuser. Unwillingly and many times unknowingly!
She needs to heal.
Yes!!!! That is what victims act like when they're not healing.....
NXVI watching this I agreed with the girl, leave her alone and stop questioning her position on an open platform she's clearly hurting
It happened to me. I lost friends because of it, later I was diagnosed with BPD and I’m finally getting treatment to deal with my emotions so I avoid conflicts such as this. She needs to step off the internet and get proper help for her trauma.
She was a pretty famous singer in Canada, narcissism probably comes very natural to her. She was never an angel.
I see so many people saying how disgusting it is that someone would ever even comment on her behavior because its how she’s healing.
There’s still a level of personal responsibility here. If you wanna heal publicly or/and in ‘unsavory’ ways that’s fine & should be no one’s business to comment on or scrutinize.
However, when you start going after/attacking multiple other people, initiating unnecessary conflicts, spinning false narratives - you can’t expect to have complete and total immunity. Even if the behavior is perpetuated by horrible and out-of-our-control circumstances.
There’s still a limit to the reasonable expectation of tolerance from others, even here. When you bring so many others into it like this you’ve crossed that limit and it becomes an issue that I don’t think people should have to or be expected to tolerate
the Die Antwoord drama is less stressful than this, Jesus.
That reminds me. When's Zheani's interview coming out?
@@PinkCircleO8 Don't know. I come to Edwin for all the info on the D.A. saga.
Wait what? (I gotta check this out now, I guess lol)
PinkCircleO8 I’m assuming he’s either still editing or ensuring that everything is accurate
@@feefew8988 Same. I'm ready for new D.A./Zheani stuff. It's fascinating. Edwin does an excellent job covering it.
Shiloh is just losing her crediblity at this point. I am afraid people looking from outside in, might not believe her story AND THATS WHAT I FEAR. And this is happening at the same time when onision has enabled his comment section (with heavy modderation) in order to create an echo chamber for people and keemstar is about to release his onision interview to a lot of people who might not be following the onision saga. This is bad. I just hope Shiloh take a real social media break because this is just hurting her
Jean Maté I agree. This is getting bad. I really don’t think Onision is going to prison for what he’s done.
Complex PTSD does cause people to act erratically, even neglect and abuse their children, this is coming from a psychologist...doesn't excuse her behaviour, rather explains it especially given that all the drama is to public now and that won't help her PTSD..
do we know when that interview will be coming out? i don't watch dramaalert so i don't know what his usual schedy is
Maybe she is permanently affected by Greg
@@Doireannxo she seems very affected
When I first left my narcissistic abuser, I frequently lashed out the same way. I felt like everyone was attacking me. I was with him a year and we ultimately had a child together, for context. I walked around with a sharp tongue and victim complex for a long time. So I get Shiloh’s mindset and actions. That being said, it’s a clear sign that she’s still very traumatized and needs professional help. I also deal with CPTSD so I know flashbacks and talking about what happened can he hard and that can sometimes last for years... but it’s really concerning that she has been removed from the situation for so long and is still exhibiting these behaviors. I really, really hope she is seeking proper help. I feel for her, it’s awful to carry all of that trauma around but there comes a point where you must find a way to settle with it and use it as a tool to grow instead of stay stuck like she seems to be (using her abuse as a sword and shield). It’s toxic to herself, other victims, and the entire situation. Wish her the best.
NekoInKimono just abuser, nothing before it
Okay and how did you fix it??
Cause I know EXACTLY what you mean. Abusive relationship for 3 years and I feel pretty damn cold and very much like a mean ass bitch 24/7
Yes, your comment hit the nail on the head for me. They really do tend to lash out and misinterpret other peoples genuine concerns or worries as being aggressive or looking down on them. Of course it isn't the misunderstood person's fault, but really I don't think keep going at it is good for anyone.
Daisy Mejia therapy girl
It's also been about 10 years in her case and there is NO excuse for being abusive to others, especially when you pioneer for the abused.
I've also been through this. Had a VERY manipulative partner. They appeared to be helpful, sweet, SINGLE, spent all their time with me, even stayed at my home most of the relationship, made me believe I could depend on them, got me pregnant due to a medication mixture issue with my new birth control, then left and revealed they were MARRIED. Made me out to be a psychopath trying to break up a marriage, their wife threatened to kill herself, wouldn't help me try and figure out what to do about the pregnancy, totally gaslighted and ghosted me.
The years following, I was almost intolerable. But I got help, got on medication for depression and anxiety, and continue to try and better myself.
I know not everyone has the same willpower and resources, I didn't either, and there isn't a time limit to trauma reactions but as someone who's been manipulated and abused, not just by the one example I gave, I REFUSE to become that abuser to someone else. She needs to realize the same. Every victim does.
There's a term that I learned after I was diagnosed with cPTSD: narc fleas. The term comes from the saying, "If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas."
Narc fleas come from the idea that many people with cPTSD leave their prolonged, traumatic experiences usually having the same defensive mechanisms as their abusers. This is doesn't necessarily mean every person with cPTSD goes through this, but many of us do.
For me, I got cPTSD after 20+ years of trauma from my parents; you bet I came out of that being a very toxic person. I knew no other way to deal with others beyond the ways my parents taught me, which was to be passive-aggressive, emotionally blackmailing, condescending, and gaslighting. It was terrible, and I was miserable in that state.
The rub here is that even though I'm a victim of everything my parents put me through, therapy taught me one, incredibly valuable lesson: none of that gives me an excuse for shitty behavior. Ever. Yes, my diagnosis EXPLAINS why I sometimes behave certain ways, but it's not a pass to hurt others. And let me tell you--that was a super hard lesson to learn when I felt so victimized; how could I not after so many years? But every moment I took to own my BS, understand why it happened, and learned better ways of coping and connecting with people (ESPECIALLY during conflict!), I moved on. Things got better.
I think I will always have the baggage of my past, but it's a lot easier to carry as I've made the effort I have to manage it all. But I couldn't do that to begin without telling myself that I had to bite the bullet and start fixing my own bullshit antics; like learning to walk away when I feel reactive (and communicating why I need to walk away), or even more importantly, learning to apologize and own when I've messed up. It's all residual effects of being abused, sadly, for many of us.
webbpath4
Wow me too.
Just.
Me too.
It feels gross to see people use trauma as an excuse to be an asshole, but I know you need to be patient with them, or they'll see you as another attacker.
webbpath4 Absolutely this!! Wishing you nothing but love on your journey of healing ❤️
Yes, I posted something similar, but you did a far better job in explaining it. This is why I think Edwin is not helping- because he’s pressuring someone emotionally incapable of being sorry for their behavior toward him. She told a few fans her perception of what he was doing- she didn’t make a large public post regarding it, but his response is to publicly defend himself for something that was done privately? Also, if it is about her getting the help she needs then let the video focus on that. It was mostly just said as an aside and focused on the behavior that hurt him. Then what is it about then? To use his same point- did you really want her to get help? Or did you just want to make a video to condescend?
I don’t think he sees how he comes off sometimes and there are a few double standards I find off putting with this.
Just allow her the time to realize her mistake instead of using your platform to dog-pile onto a victim who isn’t being a “nice girl” right now 🙄
Glad to read you have god the help and tools for dealing with conflict- I wasn’t so fortunate and lacked the financials to get proper help, but that didn’t stop me from seeking programs that help people with low incomes get some sort of help/counseling. I think this just is solved with willingness to change and time. Until then he just needs to let it go.
My father was a neglectful, gaslighting asshole that stood by and allowed his wife to abuse me for years. By the time I got out, I wasn't a very nice person all the time, and had a full deck of manipulative and rage-filled antics. Its taken me years to deal with all of it, & I nodded along in understanding while I read your comment.
I'm glad you got away, too, and have been able to work on the trauma and damage they did to you. You're 10000% right: they're reasons, *NOT EXCUSES.*
As an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse -- really incest -- you put into words the very thing I have been struggling with, but could never really describe, even to my therapist ...
Thank you for not only your words, but putting yourself out there in describing the very damaging effects of C-PTSD, that, tragically, goes way beyond 'just' PTSD ... it is God-awful, and I want it gone ...
... but yet, in my struggle with it, I may, yet, become better than either of of my parents who put my sister and I through such hell ...
I could, as you may well imagine, write way, way, more ... but I can only hope that you may eventually find some healing, and peace, in this world ...
Take cares, and be safe.
She's GOT to get offline. I don't know what's going on with her mentally, but I thought it was a good idea when she went dark on social media a while back. She needs to do that again. For herself, for the "investigation", but ESP for the other victims too. I'm sorry she attacked you/others. I hope she gets better.
Edit: I have CPTSD and a whole host of other mental illnesses, so I get what it's like to break down, and to break down publicly.
However... it isn't okay for a victim to make other's hurt who aren't hurting her at all. You know? So yeah. Especially if she's struggling with an ED as well. She needs more mental help and more stability. And twitter/insta/ANY social media will NEVER give her that.
She won't, but she has no issue telling everyone else to get offline
@Lisa P The c stands for complex. CPTSD is what victims of childhood abuse/trauma and the like often suffer with. PTSD which is usually associated with people who have been through war and things like that. It's, well, complex so it's really difficult to explain it in a UA-cam comment.
@Lisa P Complex
I have cptsd as well. It makes it far too easy to become paranoid and lash out at people because of the fight or flight kicking in, along with a plethora of other symptoms. I think it would be best for her to just stop interacting with people, manage the rage that she feels in a healthy manner. It's really sad to see.
Blesd this. Basically typed what I was gonna add. Hug to all my cptsd but still trying to be nontoxic gang
Shiloh referring to herself as "patient zero/the first victim" has always rubbed me the wrong way. she was not the first. and regardless, im not sure why she has a level of pride even if she was first.
I feel bad it’s how she refers to herself... like her life still revolves around that traumatic event she’s literally IDENTIFYING herself with it...
Tootie Ramsey she def does. She sees herself as the big sister of the other girls too. It’s like she made herself the spokes person for all of them too.
I really don't like this either. She touts sisterhood while erasing Skye and Alicia.
Ikr its just occured to me watching this thats her twitter handle. A sense of pride in that????? Super fucked up
The manipulatuon is strong in her. She did learn from one of the best
Why is Shiloh snapping on online strangers whose opinions should mean nothing to her? She’s helping Onision by appearing “crazy.” he painted her out to be the psycho ex girlfriend and he’s probably laughing at all this because he thinks he’s right about his victims. I’m disappointed in her 😕
Complex PTSD does cause people to act erratically, even neglect and abuse their children, this is coming from a psychologist...doesn't excuse her behaviour, rather explains it especially given that all the drama is to public now and that won't help her PTSD..
Doireann Sorry but do you reeeally have to write this under every comment?
But that’s what she is..
@@Doireannxo my mum has ptsd she almost pulled me of the stairs for not putting away my jacket and than threw me out😂
Ffs
@@Doireannxo This isn't just CPTSD this is definitely also BPD. I have CPTSD... the splitting, the black and white thinking, and the anosognosia she is exhibiting are traits of BPD. 100% guarantee she has both BPD and CPTSD but this is definitely more than just a CPTSD episode, speaking from my knowledge on both and personal experience with CPTSD and having family and friends diagnosed with BPD.
I'm gonna use a metaphor here. The anti-O community is yelling at each other while the bank robber is making a getaway with all the cash.
J Anonymous You’re so right. This infighting is completely taking away from the genuine issue. I wish people could understand that the way they behave effects their integrity.
Finally someone with common senseeer
At least it's better than it harboring a bunch of people who are 20x worse than Onion Boi.
No he's not. We can call out other aspects of this without forgetting the main problem. We have the capacity to focus on many things at once (well, most of us do). Shiloh's behavior is becoming a real problem and should be dealt with before preventing other survivors from coming forward or people from helping them.
We don't have tunnel vision.
@@rachelk.6313 But all information bas already been handed over to the authorities. Every commentary channel there is has brought attention to it. The entire internet is aware.
So we should ignore this pressing issue? Turn a blind eye?
thats not how opinions work
Urgh, doesn't Shiloh realise that how she's acting on social media is feeding into the image onion wants to paint her as. 🙄
His videos get more positive comments every day the more this goes on :/ It's actively HELPING him.
Unfortunately if she is suffering from PTSD she is probably too blinded by all the rage and anger from him being the most trending topic... she probably can't see how much she is helping him and hurting herself, because she is blinded by rage😥💔😥
tbh she may very well have always been an impulsive and even emotionally manipulative person, although that doesn’t change that he took advantage of her and abused her and other girls
Crazy attracts crazy you guys ever think it’s possible that there both nuts?
I think she would have stopped acting like that 2 years ago with the other victims and their posse if she was worried. i mean even chris hansen gets ppl to mob attack the ceo of Google and facebook. That's fine. We just doing that out here now.
Here's another issue I have, that Shiloh really needs to realize:
Just because you apologize to someone doesn't mean they are obligated to accept it.
She needs to chill TF out. I am curious to see if she has that same energy in person.
Great point and something I always say. An apology isn't given with the expectation that that person is going to accept it. Just glad to hear you say that. So very true
Well if you look at her in Chris Hansen videos you can see she went from smiling to stressed out over time. I wouldn't really define people by one thing, everyone's capable of positives or negatives. The present moment doesn't define someone's entire existence, so I won't assume she's like that in person. But she probably is at the present moment right now because it's eating away at her, it's a shame this drama was thrown in the spotlight to this extent. Should of been dealt with differently and more quietly atleast.
Agreed! Sis needs to stop
Marissa P that is true people forget that “forgive and forget” isnt 100% certain it can be “forgiven but not forgotten” or “not forgiven or forgotten” people seem to think forgive and forgets a guarantee
I read "if she had the same energy in prison" omg
I get that this is going to make me sound like a boomer...but for the life of me I don’t get why everyone has to have every freakin conversation on public social media. It seems so so so unhealthy. It is hard enough to fully understand where someone is really coming from through direct messages, but to then add all of the unsolicited opinions of others into the mix seems like a recipe for disaster.
Right?! I'm so glad I'm not a young person in this age, it's a lot
The current stuff is because she's been doing one thing in DMs and then publicly another, it goes similarly with private conversations vs public ones between different people, just on a different format. It's getting dragged fully publicly because that's the only way to clear things up for everyone
AwoDee very good point
get motivated yep, without a doubt!!
agreed. but I think she likes doing it publicly because she can get validation for her opinions that way. when people respond in favor to how she's behaving, it makes her feel more like she's in the right. that's my two cents, anyway
As someone who suffers from PTSD and a list of other things, I don’t use my diagnosis as an excuse to be a douche to people. I understand being defensive because I was for a little while but you can’t use it as an excuse forever for bad/unhealthy behavior. I try to be extra nice to people most of the time because I understand how hurtful words can be. Trauma is NOT an excuse to abuse others and hurt people.
Brilliant. Absolutely on point. U too k the words out my mouth, I just can't get the point across like this without using profanities. I luv u. Mpwah
Me too even tho it’s hard for me to admit I’m wrong
Ditto, Jessica! There is a huge difference with her actions and how I behave and a 5 people I know in my counseling group. If you had trauma prior to 4 years of age and experience more abuse later in life and have PTSD then this is what you get. Her family friends most likely walks on eggshells because no one has stood up to her. Because that’s what I did to my abuser UNTIL I learned about the different types of toxic people. I pray she gets long term therapy. Because I see so many similar behaviors! Poor Edwin! Because they are the worst with a public forum.
perfect ,i did the same thing until i realized it was ptsd and worked back from that self reflecting on how id treated people around me ,i wasnt being a good person .
Exactly! And we of all people should understand what type of damage trauma can cause. It is our job as human beings to minimize harm to others resulting from our circumstances. Part of healing is letting go of the negative behaviors we've been holding on to. Once we are out of the traumatic situation, continuing to use defense mechanisms in day to day life crosses the line from protecting ourselves to being purely symptomatic. Shiloh has crossed that line. I hope she is able to truly recover.
PTSD makes you volatile, and abuse victims mimic the actions of their abusers. Right now, she is very agitated and is feeling attacked even if that is not the reality of the situation. The only way she can cope with this is use what "tools" were given to her ie. Greg's thought patterns. I also noticed in her last Hansen interview that she was drinking. A person like this should not drink often. She needs therapy to figure out healthy coping strategies.
I am afraid of becoming like my grandmother with how she acted towards me with abuse. I am personally unsure of how to handle how I feel still, people have suggested meditation, drawing, writing down how I feel, and even a therapist which i unfortunately don't have the money for. But because of not knowing how to handle those emotions or how to react to how she treated me, I started bottling it all up and holding back how I treated everyone that I felt wronged me in any way, I wanted everyone to have better than what I went through. It went on for roughly about 10 years (up until I was big enough where I'm guessing she became afraid to do it anymore, and before anyone asks no I didn't do anything to scare her) from like age 6-16/17. If it had just been my grandma that was essentially beating me I think it would've been easier to handle, but through out that time it had also started with bullies at school too, now I'm just afraid to let out any of it out because I am afraid I'm going to do what Shiloh is doing now or worse to myself or others.
@@Agev-gk4iz go see a therapist. People on YT and friends can't help you bro
@@Agev-gk4iz Hey, just wanted to reassure you a little bit - you're absolutely not doomed to repeat the mistakes of your abusers! This pattern may be common but with self-awareness, support, and therapy, plenty of people break it too. You are more than your past. Take care and keep reaching out 🤗
@@Agev-gk4iz I don't know if you go on reddit but there's a lot of helpful communities of people going through similar things and they are a very supportive community. r/emotionalabuse or r/justnofamily to start with. The latter seems very fitting to check out first. Keep your head up!
THANK YOOOOU
To everyone dog piling onto Shiloh with insults- I know it’s frustrating seeing Edwin handle her with kid gloves but that’s what he should be doing. She’s clearly unwell. He’s defending himself but not sinking to her level.
Everyone saying “I never liked her” or “she’s JUST like Onision” or even “her music sucks” are not helping. You’re not helping Edwin and your def not helping the investigation. Stop with these comments and the personal jabs at her. In a way you’re doing exactly what we’re accusing Shiloh of doing - getting emotional and distracting from the bigger picture.
yep. it's not helpful or constructive. she needs help
This should have NEVER gotten this far. Very disappointing.
YES!!!!!
YOU are not helping,
YOU are not helping.
The fact that she’s also gone after Repzion says enough. You both have done a great job covering the facts on this situation and throwing support her way.
You are the only person I decided to keep watching in regards to this drama because I can tell when someone’s being honest and unbiased, and thoroughly researching the facts. Maybe she’s just hyper sensitive right now but if that’s the case, she needs to step off social media because she’s not only hurting her image but how people are looking at the other victims as well. 🙄
Merlot Cherie
Exactly. When someone goes after my man Repzion, it’s on
“I was the FIRST VICTIM” why does she come off like she flaunts that? I can’t imagine what horrors she’s been through, and I feel so so bad that she ever went through that, but being somewhat(?) prideful about being his “first victim” [for 2 years straight]”. It’s odd. :( (even tho I’m pretty sure Skye, who was MARRIED to that thing for 5 years, was probably the first..)
The whole “patient zero” and “first victim” thing feels kinda odd to me. On one hand, I’m glad that people who went through circumstances like this are able to have the courage to speak about their stories, but to seem to put importance in being the *first* to receive this abuse? That’s an interesting notion.
Also, like many comments here have said, being a victim isn’t a free pass, justifying any crappy way you treat other people.
(No hate here, just speaking on my opinion.) for those who went through circumstances like this, I’m sorry you ever did. I’m sorry anyone ever felt that they could treat you like this. I hope and pray you are doing much better, and getting the love and support you deserve
The whole "I was the FIRST victim" just didn't sit right with me at all. It kind off had a "I had it harder than anyone else" vibe to me which just isn't true. Just because she was the first (allegedly) doesn't mean that the other girls didn't suffer.
Yeah, the whole "patient zero" thing completely invalidates Skye's existence imo. You can't tell me he didn't do the exact same shit to Skye. She just had the sense at the time to get away from him when she could, and we don't know the details because she's chosen to keep it private.
Also, wasn’t Sarah (and perhaps to an extent, Lainey/Kai before they became a groomer themselves esp towards Sarah) one of the *younger* victims?
NXVI she wasn’t the first! Are you forgetting Skye who went through more? So much so she sees a therapist for years. He messaged her for years telling her he’s going to kill himself because of alimony, he and SHILOH both attacked skye and made fun of her. Hmm really makes you think, did Sarah ever make fun of Shiloh? Did Billie? No they didn’t. SHILOH did though. SHILOH made fun of skye and Adrienne. Shiloh is no where near a victim like people are making her out to be. We are seeing her true colors now though aren’t we, she is living it up telling everyone’s stories, selling them for money.
Finally someone remembers skye was the first
I feel as though Shiloh doesn’t know where to project the anger she’s feeling, and reminds me of Rose McGowan and the way Rose acted during the height of the Weinstein allegations.
I totally understand it, but I feel she needs to take a step back and work on herself because I think it’s obvious being so outspoken and feeling like she needs to be the protector of Greg’s victims is hurting her more than it’s doing anyone any good, and it’s causing her to push ally’s and people that care away.
I think you're spot on. I don't think that Shi is a bad person. However, like Edwin said I think she needs a social media break.
Irish Princess for sure! It’s just fuel to the fire and I honestly think that the whole Greg case being so publicly dealt with has entirely messed up this whole thing. There’s a reason police say to not talk about ongoing cases and this is why. It’s gotten SO messy.
@@m00ndweller Yes! She seems to lash out easily. She needs to step back and think. In my earlier comment. I mentioned how nice it was that the girls had this tight knit support group and how Shi must have thought how nice that was. I was like "good for her", that she has a sense of belonging. But I hope she isn't causing drama needlessly between the girls. ( and I hate even thinking that). They can talk, but some of them might not know how to deal with that. Edwin even says he felt intimidated at first.
If you guys look up the definition for borderline personality disorder (which she has) it might help you link this with it. She needs help :(
Bea LL agreed on both sides I think this guy need to lay off abit too though, work on his own self
As someone who has a trauma-based mental illness, I just want to say that I genuinely don't believe Shiloh knows she's the bad guy in these situations. Before my recovery, I was unaware that I was a manipulative person. My defense mechanism of choice was similar to Shiloh's: to lash out violently and manipulate the situation into something I felt more comfortable with (i.e. a situation where I wasn't in the wrong). I did NOT know I was doing that, and I don't think she does either. She genuinely believes she is the victim in these situations. But it's good that she's being called out because she needs to understand that just because she is an abuse victim, she can't get away with abusive tactics, and she isn't being honest with herself about what's really happening here. This kind of behavior is NOT okay. You are not exempt from being held accountable just because of past trauma in your life! And unfortunately her bad behavior is reflecting poorly on the other victims. She no longer has any credibility and Greg now has credible proof for when he wants to label her as unstable and discredit her testimony. Her lack of self-awareness has damaged her cause.
Also I'm very sorry that you had to deal with that. Emotionally abusive tactics are really, really draining; they make you confused, angry, hurt, afraid, and too many other things you shouldn't have to feel all at once. I personally feel you held up well under her onslaught and I'm impressed with your response to all of this. Taking each of her manipulative messages and rationally debunking them is the best way to handle it. It'll show her that she's in the wrong and it'll help other victims of emotional abuse to recognize an attack when it comes. Thank you for making this video and continuing to call her out for this unacceptable behavior.
This this this. I also have trauma based mental illness and can comfirm. I'm glad that you can see she wasn't in the right here but also understand that she doesn't have the self awareness to realize that yet.
I really hope she stops weaponizing her trauma and "victim status" because it really really is harmful, for her and all trauma survivors
Beautiful, candid insight, Megan. Thank you
I second this. as someone who has unknowingly had manipulative tendencies during extremely mentally straining situations I fully believe that shiloh doesn't see what she's doing or the negative consequences it has on her and her relationship with her digital surroundings. I also think that Edwin could have composed his message in a better way as I can definitely see how it can be perceived as guilt tripping when in a mental state of disarray. hopefully she can distance herself from social media for a while in order to take care of herself both physically and mentally. trauma is a bitch, and constantly being exposed to reminders of said trauma is incredibly damaging.
Fantastic insight. Thank you for your raw honesty. I relate to this a lot but dont think i would be so open about it. You inspire me.
This video has reminded me of someone I knew a bit more than a year ago, and our friendship didnt end... great. I realized after a while that I was very submissive to her and I should have stood up her on several occasions. I basically did anything she wanted for months and my own needs came always second to hers. Nothing completely out of line, but the power dynamic wasnt really okay. I kept quiet for months she because her last, very abusive, relationship had left her with panic attacks and there were also mental health issues. Finally, I had enough when she changed plans for a gig last minute and then refused my repeated questions about it. This had happened before and it had left me in a very uncomfortable situation. When it happened again, I canceled the gig and called her out on it. I knew that she was going with her new boyfriend, so she wouldnt be alone, and I didnt want to be at a concert when we should be having a discussion. She then ignored me texts for a week.
When I finally got her to talk, she lashed out at me, said that I left her alone at a concert (again, she was with her boyfriend). Went on to say that I prioriticed money over her (the tickets were 20 pounds). I felt like I had been punched in the face. Before that, I had backed her up on everything she had ever done during that time, and been there whenever she needed me. And suddenly I was a terrible person who ditched her over 20 pounds? Then she suddenly offered to discuss it with her boyfriend in the room, which would leave me against 2 people. When I refused to discuss it in front of a person who wasnt involved. Then she demanded that I apologize, which I also wouldnt do. She claimed again that I loved money more than her and slammed the door in my face. I never heard from her again and never messaged her either. I was too tired to do it.
What people have said here about PTSD and trauma-based mental illness puts it a bit into perspective. It hurt like hell and I was confused for ages how someone could go from calling me their best friend to painting me as a money crazy traitor in just a few days. It's probably never gonna be resolved because, if what you said applies to her, she wont know that she did wrong. She will just see my as she described me. And knowing that she rejects therapy and thinks its useless, this is unlikely to change. But I still want to thank you for making me think about it :)
"I was his FIRST victim"
Shiloh..... Skye? Or are you saying she wasn't abused? You can't speak for her or anyone's relationship, sis. Plus the label "patient zero" disgusts me for some reason... Didn't like it from the start but I respected she might have done it for a coping mechanism, but I'm getting the feeling she wants to speak for every onision victim. No. You're not entitled to validate or invalidate other peoples situations. How about YOU get off your high horse! Your attitude sucks!
Exactly. And even Skye probably isn't "Patient 0." Greg might have more victims from before his time on UA-cam unfortunately...
His first minor*
Didn't Skye imply that she wasn't? Or am i off here? Plus she was the same age as him, and they were young, so maybe the playing field was equal then. I'm a little worried this sounds harsh since tone doesn't translate to text, but I'm genuinely asking.
YES! This is exactly how I've been feeling about her. I feel like by claiming she's the "mother" of the group, speaking on behalf of the other victims, and calling herself Greg's first victim, gives power to HER and ONLY her. She deserves to feel empowered, but not at the expense of bulldozing over the voices of his other victims!
Also, people like Greg abuse almost everyone they come in contact with because he is incapable of handling anyone who even slightly disagrees with him or rubs him the wrong way, therefore he resorts to abusing them so he feels in control. Greg seems so insecure that he will abuse ANYONE in his path just so he can feel like he's the biggest man. That's what people like him do. Unfortunately, I think Shiloh has also learned some of this behaviour from him, and that's partially why she's acting the way she is now.
Being abused does NOT give you the right to abuse others (take it from someone who's also been abused)!
I really want to know how Skye and her sister are doing.
Hi, victim of 15+ years of DV and cPTSD here. A lot of her behaviors can highly possibly be traced back to cPTSD (emotional flashbacks, hypervigilance etc), and it is STILL SO IMPORTANT TO CALL IT OUT. Being hurt does not give you a pass to hurt others. Bc you've done this I genuinely hope she can see your non-defensive, patient, and understanding perspective offered here and go get the help she needs. Thank you SM for being so real, Just Subbed
Honest to God I can just see Onision praising her and just egging her on with new rumors via sock accounts while laughing maniacally about her dwindling credibility. Not to mention how bad it looks on Chris for becoming so close to her immediately after firing someone for this exact same behavior.
Yep
I just hope people around her can help her accept that going offline is better for her health and case right now, whether it be her lawyer, Chris, Sarah, her mother or partner. I’ve been where she is with PTSD and it gets ugly _fast._ You panic and it comes out as pure toxic antagonism. You feel misunderstood and invisible and lash out even harder. In the moment it genuinely feels like you do what you have to do to survive. That twitter interaction genuinely feels like life and death, because if you can’t eliminate threats (people failing to help you), you fall back into the prison of your abuser where no one will save you until you die.
Brain scans of PTSD show that the fight or flight emotional response flares up so much that all logical reasoning is washed out. You can’t seriously consider consequences, you just punch and bite to get out. It hurts to see her act like this because I know how spiteful and terrifying it is. I just want to tell her to go offline and talk to her therapist, but I’m scared I’ll just get blocked if I do. I hurt a lot of people before getting effective treatment. Someone needs to save her from herself.
I want to say that he’s too stupid to do it, but at the same time based on the nonstop emails he sends to people like Blaire White, it’s totally something he’d do.
Nah.
She has finally found her "voice"...she doesn't feel like a victim anymore, and is still dealing with some legitimate issues. Hansen and the other victims gave her so much support that a bit of validation and ego are surfacing. 😞
Come on girl, we have been on your side! Stop honey, just stop.
Lol if you actually looked at their accounts you'd find that they're actually real and not made a few days ago or with minimal posts.
I was getting so annoyed every time I saw her say “leave me alone” but she was HOUNDING YOU TO MESSAGE HER BACK??? Does she want you to leave her alone or message you back?
Lmao "I asked you to leave me alone and blocked you. You won't message me back like a man! "
I don't think she knows what she wants. She's spiraling. She needs help.
she's basically like gaslighting her entire following(which is interesting considering she claims everyone else is gaslighting her). She won't give up replying because, if she did, she wouldn't get the attention from pretending she's being harassed.
Yeah, I think she is both scared and desperate for shit to stop and also desperate for attention. This is some rough shit!
That's a manipulation tactic
i haven't finished the video yet, but the whole "clout chasing excuse" reminds me of the excuses die antwoord would use when dismissing zheani
When I heard on Chris Hansen's show that she has never been in therapy I was speechless... I seriously think it's irresponsible
100%
Doesn't Canada get free health care? I'd say there's no excuse for no therapy. Other than her own choice and others in her circle acting as her 'therapist' filling her head with their personal opinions on top of the trauma from you know who...
Everyone needs their own timeline. Some people aren’t ready to revisit and talk to a stranger about their trauma.
That actually was a lie, she has other YT accounts (lyl doll topics or some cr@p) and she states therapy was not working for her. And right in this video she claimed suicide watch, that's only done through a clinical therapist.
@@twistedmindssweettea Canadian here! Our health care covers basic doctors office visits and necessary surgeries. Mental health care and therapy are not covered at all
It speaks volumes that none of "her girls" have come out in her defence.
Because they're not as dumb as dregs followers
some of them have spoken out against her behavior too :/
hehe, ture Kris! Which ones have spoken out Lainey? Would love to read the tweets!
@@Natalie-je6dg drowsylane on twitter is one, edwin rt her tweet if you need to find it quickly :) but it just prooves she's lying in her dm's to edwin. we all know those girls have respect for edwin
@@faze194 Found it, thanks! Totally agree with you!
She's full of herself now that she thinks she's spearheading a "movement" or something.
Honestly, she always seemed a bit rude, but people let it go because she was Onision's victim. However, being a victim doesn't mean your bs isn't bs.
She honestly doesn’t seem like a good person. I’m pretty sure she just wants to get revenge and for onision to suffer. She uses her “movement” as a veil of stopping abuse and spreading awareness but in reality it’s just to vindicate her want for revenge.
Imagine how someone who talks like this to strangers being showing concern or bringing things up in a rational manner would deal with someone she didn’t like. It’s just kind of gross and she seems really abusive herself even at a surface level.
Complex PTSD does cause people to act erratically, even neglect and abuse their children, this is coming from a psychologist...doesn't excuse her behaviour, rather explains it especially given that all the drama is to public now and that won't help her PTSD..
Also I don’t understand why she’s making her whole identity her victim status. She could very well start making music again.
@@rust44 she does have new music out....
"Your abusers past abuse doesn't justify their abuse towards you"
Who names their twitter handle “patient zero” after being abused by a child predator?? She seems to be bragging about this. I was also abused as a child and know what this feels like, and would never name myself “patient(number inserted)” who does that unless it’s to manipulate others or hold onto this like some sort of badge, or trophy as sick as is sounds. I hope she gets the help she really needs.
I know right? Seriously weird
Hope you’re looking after yourself. 👍Abusers are losers and bullies.
Patient zero is a term given to the first person to get infected in a viral or bacterial disease in an outbreak. Given that theres a pandemic, Im pretty sure this is what inspired the handle name.
She's just like greg
I work in law. A lot of our clients are victims of DV, abuse, etc. People deal with trauma in different ways. Some internalize, others externalize. Some even adopt some of the character traits of their abusers. I've frequently been attacked by victims. It no longer effects me, but at first it did. Ive found that reacting and calling out problematic behaviors can often exacerbate the problem and make it sooo much worse. Often the best course of action is to not give the behavior too much attention. At my work, when we see problematic behavior we gently address it with the client, but then we focus the attention on wanting to help them and on how that kind of behavior will hurt THEM. When I look at this situation and apply my experiences to it, I think handling this publicly has worked like a catalyst to increasing problematic behavior. Here's an imperfect metaphor- imagine an abused animal who is now being poked by many after some bad behavior. It would be VERY EASY in this situation to become hyper reactive. defensive, even aggressive. When I am dealing with the bad behavior of a traumatized, abused individual, I often have to pause and take very deep breaths not to react or to allow this behaviorto hurt me. Remember why you started this. I know you feel hurt, I really get it. But it's quite impossible to understand her feelings, perspective, and pain. These continued videos are making it worse. I respect you. Please consider your next steps. What's the most important thing here?
You have more compassion and understanding than most mental health workers. Which says a lot about how much help people actually get from seeking out mental health professionals.
@@mydogeatspuke we often have a very difficult time finding our clients good mental health providers. We have a handful that we love and frequently link our clients with. It's a shame that so many providers seem to lack compassion and empathy. Thank you for your kind reply. ❤
Fabulous comment
Edwin doesn't work in law, he is aloud to stand up for himself, you make no sense, Shiloh is the one making things worse.
Thank you!
"It's my story" "I'm the FIRST victim!" "it's not a game" "this is real life". If that's how she prioritises things she needs to step back. Leave social media for a month or two. It's not HER STORY It's a horrific crime that's ruined multiple people's lives. And she thinks it gives her the right to abuse others because she was the first victim. It's a terrible thing that happened to multiple people. She seems to put everything into the fact that she was the first victim. Like that means everyone should kowtow to her and let her bully other people. Hmm.
He's a pig but the women (all exept maybe Adriánne) have all got smth off about them .
When in actuality, she was a willing participant in making "Onisions" first wife the first victim.
She hasn't healed yet. I'm sorry but not even Edwin is a qualified counselor. He cant give her advice. And he also shouldn't judge her publicly.
@@IvoryMane she is using a public platform to judge others. She is attacking people. Is that okay?
@@IvoryMane so let's say if onision came out with a story of abuse from his childhood or something and uses it as an excuse for all the shitty things he has done should we excuse his behaviour? I believe he was raised in a fucked up household but I don't think he gets a free pass because of past trauma. Adults deal with their issues. Hurting other people because you refuse to get help for past trauma is an awful thing to do.
The sad thing about this is, that people, that should be on the same side, are now fighting each other. This only helps Onision. :(
I feel like this is a vicious cycle in sex scandals, having seen 2 decades worth of these things it baffles me why so much fighting among the innocent takes place.
And the main self proclaimed pioneer for survivors is perpetuating it... i... ugh..
@Bob 1 oh shut up.
Shiloh, the victim that has other victims
Bob 1 stfu
Trauma literally makes people go feral while it works at scaring off the abuser, it also makes untraumatized (normal happy go lucky) people run for the hills too. Once your away from the abuser, trauma tells you to be so big and venomous to scare off other threats but this also scares off good people with good intentions too. This has nothing to do with you and is completely a trauma based response. So in order to heal she has to be vulnerable and let people in. This is going to be like cuddling a feral cat, they're going to claw the shit out of you until you pressure hold them long enough to let them know your not going to hurt them and you will let them go and repeat the cycle until they learn your not a bad guy.
I have PTSD, just because Shiloh has it doesn’t mean she should do what’s she’s doing. You can’t treat others like that.
Exactly :/ It is not a competition, but my best friend endured 10+ years of intense abuse at the hands of her own father. She doesn't treat people like this. She has emotional problems but it's mostly in the form of being unable to take criticism (like Shiloh)-abuse does make it difficult. But my BFF doesn't use it as an excuse to lash out at people or demonize them to others. She doesn't use other people to get back at somebody. What Shiloh has done talking trash about Edwin to "the other girls" and then coming to him and saying "I see why they don't like you" is seriously fucked up and gross.
I don't care what kind of abuse a person has suffered--a LOT of people suffer worse. We can say a person isn't 100% responsible for their behavior when they've been abused, but we can also call it out when someone is allowing their abuse to keep them behaving in a super unhealthy way. It is only going to further hurt her and the people around her.
I'm afraid I am of the mind that Shiloh was kind of like this already (at least with the willingness to be manipulative and hateful to people) and that this turn of events has just gassed her up too much. Greg is to blame for her arrested development but it needs to be handled. People just sitting around saying "yeah go off queen" is so harmful.
Exactly. Same here. 8 years of diagnosed chronic ptsd.. I don’t DO THIS. People DONT DO THIS STUFF.
I have extremely bad PTSD as well, and I totally agree. She needs to MOVE. ON. that's like, the first step in therapy.
Exactly. The people who are excusing her because of her PTSD are just dumb at this point.
PTSD is different to every person that has it. My dad was very violent due to PTSD while I tend to implode. What she doing is indeed not good, but people pushing her constantly, saying she's in the wrong constantly, isn't helping whatsoever.
I’m proud of Edwin for standing up for himself, it’s not easy to deal with especially when it’s involving around your work space. Believe in yourself, stay strong for yourself.
It’s disappointing to see she’s lashes out in this way, it’s just portraying herself as a hostile person.
She needs to take a break from the internet.
“Take a deep breathe, think clearly before you speak.”
It’s just advise to help deal with stress and not feel the need to be uncomfortable; but taking a deep breathe helps try to make yourself comfortable.
It doesn’t work for everyone, but I do believe Shiloh needs help pointing out this “reaction” because it does seems like a common thing for her. Which it’s not healthy for her, taking a step back is healthy to try new things.
I'll Say Here What I Said On Twitter. Us Being Victims Does NOT Make It Okay For Us To Victimize Others. End Of Story.
Exactly!!
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Shiloh clearly needs to get off Twitter. She is clearly not ok. she appears to still needs counseling to deal with the anger she still has about her past abuse.
I am not taking away from the abuse she experienced, but being a victim doesn’t give you the right to bully, threaten, or belittle other people.
Someone close to her needs to convince her to get off social media because she is quickly undoing all the good work she has done
As someone who was sexually assaulted, I can kind of understand what she's doing. I, at some point, snapped at the people who were trying to help me as well. I'm not saying she's innocent because of what she went through, of course, but it's kind of part of the process (at least for me it was) in getting better. I hope she gets the help she deserves and needs and that she soon can get out of this phase of anger/misdirected self defence. I really wish her the best.
Did you lie about something or someone else? Because that is a real issue where, everyone apparently forget that she accused him of something he didn't do and can't let go of a thing that he was just done, he was completly over it, but she keep going, she didn't snap, she had a metdown a hard meltdown.
@@DarkHeartTheEmo I suppose it's kind of part of the feeling where you are finally being listened to and being understood. You wanna keep that attention because it's something you didn't receive from the relationship you were in. It's not good and she needs to understand that at some point but I can understand how it takes her some time to do so
Exactly.
Everyone deals different.
@@e.vanl. Yes but that isn't right,remember Onision call her a liar and crazy, unfortunately this kind prove his point, now if you forgive I'm going to wash my mouth and hands I feel dirty after admitting that
DarkHeartTheEmo that’s what I’ve been saying...she is portraying herself the way he described her to a t, which may strengthen his credibility while lessening her’s (which could effect everyone else).
She needs to leave the internet, she's seeing enemies everywhere
You are such a sweet soul keep doing what ur doing i believe 100% you are helping people including myself. Putting what was said to you on ur channel was the way to go. You are right people keep giving her pass after pass. I'm not down playing what she went through but i guarantee others including my self have been through a lot more. She really needs to get a grip and stop attacking people who only want the best for her especially you xoxo.
I feel it's a paranoid due to her PTSD from Greg. That said, that doesn't make it any less damaging. I hope she does get help and getting off of the internet would help her immensely in my opinion.
I do believe she is having a psychotic breakdown... She's become paranoid and overly defensive.
Just as Edwin does. He needs to leave her alone. She's in a DARK place and he's acting like she raped and killed him.
What she is doing is called outrageous overshadowing.... It is common in victims of PTSD. She has been through so much abuse because of one person. Now that all of the person's actions have come to light, and we can see them, she is acting out so that her actions overshadow those of her abusers..... it is a very common symptom of PTSD.... I myself have struggled with it..... and I hope she realizes that PTSD is real. She went through something very real and tragic and she may need help. She certainly needs to take a step back from social media and focus on herself, for her own peace of mind. Considering he is one of the most trending topics, it would make sense for her to engage in outrageous overshadowing. Being constantly reminded of your abuser must be triggering. Outrageous overshadowing via social media is a way to remove that trigger, by making yourself the most trending topic.....
I'm not saying what she is doing is okay, but I hope if she sees this or anyone else that deals with this sees this, identifying what it is will help them cope with it.🖤🤟🖤
I'm so sorry you wnt through this! And I feel terrible for Shiloh as well. I wish she opened a patreon for financial support for therapy, I imagine quite a few people would donate. Also never heard of Outrageous overshadowing so thanks for sharing! It definitely seems like that's what's happening here.
Its just so sad because I can tell that she can't tell just how far this goes. She doesn't see that it's HARMFUL to use her status as "first victim" as a title for herself. Many people with PTSD make an identity out of their trauma to help make sense of it, its just extremely unhealthy in the end however because all it ends up doing is making you hold on to it.
Honestly wondering if that's what Gabbie Hanna did to the friends she's lost on here.
Rachiie's World after I was abused I became EXTREMELY aggressive, in general. Also during the abuse.
Outrageous overshadowing is when one thing is so ridiculous or horrible that other things are small or go under the rug in comparison.
I have PTSD and have done a lot of education on being trauma informed and if anything, it goes the opposite way. Like, she compares what she has been thru being so horrible that she minimizes everything bad she does in comparison.
She needs to take a break from social media. It isn't helping. Her reaction wasn't that of someone who has a healthy mindset. It's just making her more stressed than she needs to be right now.
She wants to be left alone, but goes after people who aren't even talking about(to) her? Strange
I stand for stopping abuse, emotionally, physically, and mentally. Just because you've been hurt by someone, doesn't mean you can't hurt someone else. I hate to say it, but I think Greg(James) has had a bigger character impression on Shiloh, just like he does Kai than we thought. Please, from the kindness of my heart, *Shiloh, take better care of your mind, and get some help.*
Yeah
This was a particularly stressful video to produce since it is about one of Onision's victims. However, the behavior is just NOT okay at all and has gone too far at this point. I understand she is a victim of Onision's abuse, but this should not give anyone a pass for harassing and manipulating others.
In this video, I go over what led to her lashing out at me, her DMs at people about me, her DMs with me, and her public lashing out of me on twitter from last Saturday night. Thank you for being understanding and watching all the way through! Timestamps:
0:00 What led to her lashing out to me
2:31 Shiloh DMs followers in attempts to manipulate them about our conversation
7:09 The DM conversation between Shiloh and I with full context
15:26 Emotional Manipulation and what it is
19:15 My responses to her snapping at me
22:25 Going over Shiloh's tweets about me/in general from Saturday night
33:11 Shiloh I guess holding an apology hostage for me? and my responses
37:08 My final thoughts/Shiloh unblocks me to send me one final message
Edwin thank you so much for making this video and not letting yourself be bullied into silence by her
You're awesome and i love your channel!
Edwin i just hope you’re alright man this isn’t acceptable at ALL and you had every right to be upset about it.
Edwins Generation You did good, man. Victim or not, her behaviour is unacceptable..
I love your shirt! You are totally a sexy taco 😉❤️
Ed, you are handling this like an a-hole, with an emphasis on the a. Your drumming up people to attack, injure, and insult a sexual assault victim. If you really cared about Shiloh, you would handle this like an adult, and simply not make these videos.
Being onisions ex isn’t a personality trait
No but the girl has trauma that she has tried to cope through that fucked her up that she is now seeing every single day again and has to relive so its probally eating her up
@Bad_Banana okay
@@jackpayne6518 yeah, i agree with you. But understanding the condition surrounding the situation does not make her behaviour ok
Dude sav
As someone who has cptsd too, I tended to lash out at people for a while. But I took accountability for my actions, and was able to seek better help to stop that behavior. Using your ptsd to silence those around you is wrong.
Shiloh really makes things worse for herself and others Onision really traumatized and took advantage of her. She needs a break from Twitter instead of coming after people who are trying to help her for no reason. Love you Edwin.
I mean, listen, PTSD can make you extremely shitty because of the extreme anger you feel. You feel like everyone is against you, it's literally a symptom to have an overly negative view of people and the world. I'm ashamed of how I acted sometimes and I also had to accept that some behaviours I learned from my abuser and I had to unlearn them, which took many years. But I had to do it, because I wasnt my best self. Yes, I was abused into who I became but it was my responsibility to get better and act better. The way I behaved was entirely on me. She can't act like this and think that her being an abuse victim makes up for it. She has to listen to people and realize that shes not being the best person she can be, if you're being called out it's now always because ~everyone is against you~, it's because they care. I think she will grow up and learn that the way she acted wasnt okay, I'm not sure I can see her realizing it now tho. Shes obviously very sick and hasn't gotten the right treatment yet. I hope she gets help, I really do
I don't think it's good for her to have people constantly validating and excusing her actions. Ego seems to be a big part of it
@@stalkerbabychild giving a reason is not the same as excusing it. Her PTSD probably is the cause of her behaving this way, maybe even malnutrition because of her ed. It's not an excuse, its just a reason why. It could be her ego too with a mix of mental illness, we dont really know. But I do see myself in her and I never had a big ego. Saying she has a big ego wont do her any good either, nothing we really say will do her any good. If she doesnt want to change, she doesnt
@@samuelm2989 it absolutely is being used as an excuse though, maybe not by you but a lot of other people. When you're made aware of your behaviour "I have ptsd" doesn't come into the conversation unless you're talking about how to avoid the behaviour in the future.
@@stalkerbabychild you have a point, I'm sure other people do it. It wasnt personally my intention. I think it's hard to call mentally ill people out since they are suffering and I think people are afraid of causing any negative feelings, which I get but isnt great. It's definitely not good for her if people are excusing her behaviour because of her ptsd since that enables her and doesnt allow her to grow.
I have PTSD and I've noticed I've picked up traits my abuser has. As victims it's our responsibility to correct it and to not hurt anyone.
You're good, fam.
What was done to her is not okay.
What she's doing is also not okay.
This should not be a difficult concept. You can sympathise with a victim and also point out that a victim's behaviour is not productive.
WE WERE ROOTING FOR YOU!!! WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU!!
Hahahaha. I read it in Tyra's voice. 🤣
HOW DARE YOU. LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS!!!
such an iconic Tyra the tyrant moment 🤣
They float...they all float
@@dootdoot94xo44 it’s a quote from Tyra
We stand by you Edwin...I feel Billie and Sarah would be against Shiloh lashing out....Skye..Billie..Sarah..Adrain has moved on...not Shiloh..she is making things worse for herself
She doesn't want to move on. Some people like the attention victimhood brings.
@@Mercy4theMartyr it sucks but I agree with u
@@Mercy4theMartyr unfortunately....her being victim while very sad...she seems to think she can run around saying anything she wants because she thinks she has a pass..which sounds a little entitled..as an abused victim myself...while I stand with Shiloh the Onion slayer....I dont stand for Shiloh the verbal abuser and manipulator
@@sketchpen777One can only hold on to victimhood for so long before misery wears out it's welcome. It becomes sink or swim. Shiloh will sink if she doesn't learn to let go of the weight. Onion may or may not get what is coming to him, but if she keeps holding on, he is winning.
@@Mercy4theMartyr exactly
Do we think that Chris Hansen will still support her or drop her because what she did hurts his investigation? That will be interesting to see. He has been her biggest supporter, I wonder if he'll stand by her or even address this at all.
He needs to have a chat with her maybe to help her see that this isnt helping
Nope, he's too busy using them to fill his pockets. Same with him letting Vince do everything with not addressing it.
Unfortunately Chris Hansen has been doing a great deal to hurt the investigation himself, he has mishandled a lot of things and made some weird choices....
Chris Hansen addressed that Nicholas Diorio isn't, from what he could tell, a doxxer or abuser of the alleged victims.
He's all about 💰
Datsboutit
She has a REALLY bad victim mentality. I know because of my experience dealing with PTSD. I had to come to this realization, and come to terms that I was a victim of what happened but not a victim of life.
Remember when she took a random photo off the internet and pretended it that it was her dead baby?
that was messed up. ''someguy'' covered that one good.
WHAT??? NO? I just learned of her in the last few months 😬
I like both of you but as a victim myself I've made similar mistakes, but that's what it is a mistake, that you need to be held accountable for and not use victimhood as an excuse to behave shitty.
I actually think Edwin has been really mature in this situation tbh.
"I WAS THE FIRST VICTIM" No, you weren't! I hate how she capitalised that, like it's something to brag about....ummm WEIRD. She is bent.
Lmao skye was probably the first victim if greg didnt have others before her
Right??? Like, weird flex but ok
@Lady Jane I thought so! Thanks for the clear up! It's a shame what all these girls have gone through and it's taken ages for it to be brought to light but I guess this happens with most cases unfortunately :/
Skye or moreso her sister was.
It's like when you can't give yourself your own nickname kind of thing.
She's discrediting the hard work and bravery her "sisters" have done by claiming she's the most important victim, and that she's fighting this battle alone. She was not the first victim, nor the last, she's just one of the many, and by her trying to take control of the entire victimhood narrative and be the leader against their abuser, she's making herself and her sisters look crazy and powerhungry. She's also behaving exactly as Onision would want her to, and she can't even see it. It's almost like he remade her in his image.
So sad BUT, so true!!!😥😥😥
Spoken well
Spoken well
Samantha Synful -- Because Shiloh is older she has taken up a "momma bear" persona. As a result, people are idolizing her for being the ringleader.
Deborah T Skye is older than her though she had to deal with Onision for YEARS, even after he divorced her to get with/eventually break Shiloh down.
When she left Onision she was attacked online - I can only imagine any type of criticism would be difficult for her to see. Even the slightest. She's reacting in a way that I can see myself doing under similar amount of stress (I have PTSD and Borderline Personality disorder. When I am stressed or angry, I do some pretty damaging things. I'm hurtful and rude to people. I don't take criticism. I push people away. Severe mental breakdown. Like a dangerous autopilot).
I hope she takes a step back. All this shit is definitely too much. It probably got overwhelming really quick.
Thank you for sharing you story. It’s important for people to realize that BPD doesn’t make you a horrible person, that ppl should stay away from. There’s so much misinformation...
@@charlottem.1477 I'm sure I seen a video of Onision saying Shiloh has BPD, which would explain a lot of this imo
Shilo isnt patient 0 shes patient 1 Skye is patient 0 she needs to get off her weird victim high horse
While Shiloh screams at people on social media, Skye is offline going back to school, working her ass off and moving on from this. I'm really proud of her (though she wouldn't want me making the comparison). We haven't talked in a few months but I consider that a good thing given the circumstances! I wish other people would pick up her grown-up example.
Seriously. I had to pause and take a break when i saw her saying she was the "first victim". I was completely behind Shiloh and all the girls but this isn't a good look. It takes away from the real issue and shes making it all about her while screaming US, WE, THE GIRLS, but its all actually me, me, me. She talks about the other girls as if she owns them, or IS them. I get being protective, but damn. And i understand shes fucked up from all this, and i admire her and the girls for standing up for themselves, but this is messed up and inexcusable. I hope she gets help.
@@c.r.8815 She's hysterical because she's having a psychotic break. She just wants people to leave her alone and she's trying to explain why, because apparently just asking isn't a good enough reason.
@@mydogeatspuke No, it isn't about her wanting to be left alone. She put her story out there for the public (which again, is very admirable and very brave!!!) She went on Hansen twice, she advocates for abuse victims, she outs (alleged) abusers, its been proven she DMs people first a number of times to start things, she attacks people that ask questions or she thinks aren't immediately supporting her and the girls. If its about wanting to be left alone, she isn't doing a good job advocating that (i.e. walking away from social media and getting help). None of the other girls are acting like this despite also being in the middle of the Onision shitshow. I agree she's having a mental breakdown, but it sure as shit has nothing to do with wanting to be left alone.
@@c.r.8815 She can want to stand in solidarity with fellow abuse victims and still wish to be left alone instead of being compared to her abuser and told she is no better than him. So many people on here are so narrow minded and ignorant to reality, it really is astounding to me how out of touch you all are.
“I WAS THE FIRST VICTIM” tell us how you really feel wow she definitely needs a break, being the first don’t make you any better then the other victims wow she basically wants a free pass to do what ever she wants in life and harass anyone who hurts her ego
She isn't his first victim either, I have no idea what she means by that.
K Kondor exactly. Same.
She doesnt feel full of herself. She feels forgotten or less important. She came out first and everyone still keeps questioning her as if she never spoke out in the first place. Leave the poor woman alone omg
Lol does she forget the ex wife onion cheated on WITH HER? Is skye not a victim??
William Dodge jr I kind of think that too tbh. She was perfectly fine before all these years until onision gets back in the spotlight and Sarah spoke up.
OMG it's so annoying how her tweet said, "I begged you to leave me alone 24 hours after your DM." and "... I opened up to you about the fragile mental state I was in" .... First of all, he never asked you to do that. You did it in a fit of emotion and anger that wasn't even warranted. Like girl... he sent you a couple messages, in which you replied to rudely. Then as the next day came, you replied to his ONE message with a barrage of your own... asking him to leave you alone when he hadn't even said anything else yet as you spammed him! My gosh!
Exactly!! And the whole 'Message me like a real man. LEAVE ME ALONE.' Like, what?? You're telling him multiple times to message you but also want him to leave you alone, which is it?
Duchess ...and she blocked him! Lol
just wanted to say thank you so much for including closed captions!!! I know its a lot of extra work for you but I so appreciate it!:)
Man the way she vomited all of those messages in your dms gave me anxiety... emotional blackmail is sadly one of my weak spots, it's a vile form of manipulation and it's so upsetting that she's doing this to people who are only trying to help. The worst part is she's most certainly unaware of what she's doing.
Idk this really hit me
Also how it seems like the other girls seem to appreciate edwins coverage and support and then she trys to make public enemy out of him. It's really uncomfy.
Dude. I totally agree on both comments. And the fact that she doesn’t see the hypocrisy is just like 🤯
"I'm on suicide watch"
I'm sorry but no one is responsible for her mental health but herself. I'm so sick of people weaponizing their mental health. If she's really feeling like she can't handle it then she needed to take responsibility and leave the situation, not get more involved.
Suicide watch occurs in a clinical setting as well, and you wouldn’t be allowed access to tech.
Hate to say it but she’s utilizing her victim status to get attention and fuel herself.
She needs a lot of work.
Vixxxen Fox thank you. I work in trauma so I wasn’t totally sure.
I dislike when people weaponize and lie about their health problems for attention, like there aren’t those of us out here who can fact check it.
It’s sad tbh. She needs a lot of help.
Vixxxen Fox also props to working MH. I really think it’s some of the hardest nursing and y’all don’t get enough respect. ❤️
Yeah as Canadian the "I need to pay for therapy" and "suicide watch" comments are BS. I've been on suicide watch several times, happens inside a hospital psych ward where they confiscate your phone to prevent external emotional triggers like social media or abusers. Psych therapy is very free, not perfect but free. There are an ton of non-profits that also provide a ton of less clinical therapies.. for free. She's trying to play a lot of Americans who actually think that is how healthcare works here.
@@azarinevil Hi there! Another Canadian here, but as "free" as therapy might be, it's often not accessible and also not helpful. As someone who as also been on suicide watch and trying to get therapy with no benefits, that is true. You can be on a 72 hour suicide watch from your own home. Despite trying, I was able to get on my phone. It made thing worse. Maybe for you it's easy to get help within mental health, but it's not free and definitely not as easy as people think. I'm not saying she's right here, but I would look into it more as a Canadian.
You're too nice Edwin. You're a lovely person and need to stop giving people like this the time of day. She seems unwell and lashing out at people because SHE actually seems like the one who is on her 'High horse' ever since her Hansen interview. It's gratuitous self pity and unfotunately is reflecting badly on all of the victims.
Agreed! She blasted Edwin all over social media knowing he does videos
Funtang Woo what is the point of being mean or harsh to someone just to fight back I feel like it’s weak. What Edwin is doing is respectful and I’m honestly glad he’s being nice because being harsh to someone who suffers from abuse is just hateful I know she’s lashing out but you have to realize you don’t fight fire with fire.
Unlike another unnamed youtuber who uses unflattering pictures of her and makes a horrible disrespectful title, Edwin uses mature thumbnails and goes about things in a mature way. I may not agree with some things on his channel but I’d rather him be mature about his opinions instead of a trolly turd
I like this video, I just feel like comparing Shilo’s actions to Onision’s isn’t the right move since he is her abuser... she might not be a good person, but I don’t think her immaturity can be compared to the pain she went through
Mariam Elzeftawi it is kinda rough. I just hope shiloh can realize that her behavior is bad (regardless of if shes acting like g**g) and become a better version of herself. and I dont think shes a bad person, just doing very bad things. I want to root for her... as long as she doesnt dig herself into a bigger pit. :/
Its actually important to bring up because its common for abuse victims to take on some of their abusers traits and go on to abuse others because they don’t realize theyre mirroring the same abusive behaviors that harmed them
@@bunnibabe6855 Yes, just going to mention this. That seems exactly like what is happening too. The lies or changes in the story that make her look "better", that are so subtle that a lot of people may not catch... Those are his behaviors and now she is doing the same thing.
Kendra Rothman she spent her important developmental years with him definitely experiencing Stockholm syndrome so its no surprise she picked up some of his traits and its no surprise shes scared to acknowledge that because no victim wants to see their abuser in themselves. She seemed to continue a pattern of entering abusive relationships after greg too so its forsure that she hasnt had the time she needs to heal and grow with professional therapy and possible medication treatment if necessary. She just learned more of the abusive traits as a defense mechanism and its caused her a victim complex so even when shes victimized others she can only view her self as the victim and others as just people who want to hurt and silence her like her abusers (even when thats clearly not the case at hand).
I hope she considers therapy and maybe some short term inpatient treatment.
I agree ngl just kinda shaking my head during that part. i get what he was trying to display but meh the videos of him could have gone without. Still good video though :)
I feel bad how she refers herself as patient zero... like her life still revolves around that traumatic event she’s literally IDENTIFYING herself with it...
Agreed...She's building her whole identity around being a victim. It ain't healthy
She realized she won't become famous with her singing career so she's trying her best with the onision drama
Nadien Jansen ???? bruh you realize she’s the face of lofi rap? ever since the X and Juice used her samples she blew up and stepped away of the scene
@@dannidye30 don't know who any of that is. Proved my point
Nadien Jansen 😭😭you def love in a shell if you don’t know who xxxtentacion is or Juice Wrld i guarantee you’ve atleast heard one of their songs. If not you’re just a boomer
No, she's like that. She yelled at me in Instagram when I was paying her a genuine compliment
She's ALWAYS been like that, you're right. I couldn't stand her back when her and Greg were good. I have some theories about her entire schtick
tabitha stabitha You’re about to be called an “abuser apologist” for not buzzing with the hivemind. She’s as pathological as Greg, and you can see that in how all the sudden adoration has empowered her to mistreat whomever she wants. She knows she has a mindless army now who’ll jump to defend her for her #1 BEST VICTIM OF ALL TIME status.
Being like that doesn't make it oke to do
This whole thing just proved just how deep Onision's damage runs. His abuse and the devastation left in his wake..... he is creating mini versions of himself. Help is needed.
@Creative Revival Lots of people get like that from abusive relationships.
idk some part of me think girls who are even attracted to him in the first place have a bit of his personality in them already. not gonna lie.
@Creative Revival right and even if it rubs off on them, they wouldn't still be like that over 10 years later...
@@tegans8452 aw let’s victim blame!! Good idea xx
@@toriel4933 aw let's ignore peoples abusive behavior because they're poor wittle victims who are unable to take responsibility for their actions! Even better idea!
Being a victim of abuse doesn't excuse perpetuating abuse, but it does explain it. I agree that she needs to be held accountable for her actions, regardless of her diagnoses or past, but I do think we need to understand why people who have experienced Trauma like this act out in such ways. I hope she finds help, healing, and happiness in her future.
Hey Edwin, hope that you're doing ok after all this. I could really see how heavy this is on you so please be sure to take care of yourself.
Thank you.. I hate to admit that it means a lot because it means that it showed and I hate showing vulnerabilityyyy.. ahh but just thank you!
@@edwinsgeneration it's okay to be upset when people are mistreating you
@@edwinsgeneration we are here for you and we all support you. You are doing an amazing job ❤
@Edwins Generation You're welcome! I tend to keep things bottled up a lot when things are getting stressful for me so I'm very familiar with the look. I know I'm just a random person on the internet but I'm happy to listen if you need to talk to someone outside your friends and family. =)
"I'm on suicide watch" GIRL what are you doing on Twitter then, please log off!!!
@Augusta Mae If I recall correctly (this was a difficult time for me so the details are blurry bc my brain blocked them out, I apologize) after a friend of mine tried to kill themself they were on suicide watch in the hospital and they were texting me but they always had a nurse in their room to observe them and make sure they don't do anything. So I don't think they always take away your phone, if ever, but I would think that if Shiloh had some sort of care provider around her they would notice that spending time on her phone is causing her some kind of distress, and try to take it away? I don't know, I'm really not sure how it works.
@Augusta Mae No. It depends on the hospital but if you're over 18 more often than not, they don't take your phone
This.
Also I dont think shes in a hospital? Does she mean like in her own little circle? I honestly think she pulled that out in response to getting called out on her dumb shit.
Patients young or old aren’t allowed any kind of item or electronic on suicide watch.. so idk if she’s lying or referring to something else
Just like to point out that these victims aren’t comparable. Shiloh went through the aftermath of her abuse by herself without the whole internet on her side. People calling her weak minded and saying Sarah and Billie handled their aftermath better isn’t comparable at all. Although Billie got bullied her story brought a lot of attention to Onison’s crappy behavior and Sarah had people on her side from the beginning. Shiloh has no one, got bullied off the internet and I think people forget that she did have a promising career before Onison. She has been through a lot, while her behavior isn’t acceptable, people would rather try to force her into an apology and compare her to themselves or other victims than take a step back and really ask. “Is this girl okay.”
You're right, she has been through a lot and she's not okay, but now she has got to take the steps to get herself professional help to deal with her cptsd and whatever else is going on with her.
She needs to get off Twitter and continue getting professional help. She doesn’t need to make an apology at this moment, but she needs to get off Twitter. She is her own worst enemy right now. So many people were supporting her, but this blind hostility is damaging all of the good will people have for her.
I’m not saying she shouldn’t be feeling these feelings, but I am saying that Twitter is clearly triggering for her and she needs to delete her app and take a long break. She runs the risk of turning into the villain. A lot of prior abuse victims go on to be abusers. That temper of hers is getting out of hand. She is using the same tactics Greg issues. That should be a huge red flag for her and her friends.
Angel Jones I agree sometimes social media can be toxic. I believe that she wanted to be apart of Onison’s take down without fully understanding her mental stability. Hell even people who don’t have thousands of followers need to take a break from social media. I’ve been saying that she’s not going to be forced into an apology. The whole world can tell her she’s wrong but she’s the only one who will be able to convince herself. People are calling her narcissistic and egotistical but I don’t believe so. I believe that she’s defensive and believes everyone is an enemy and wants the worst for her, the people who call her out only care about themselves. which is what she’s throwing at Edwin. Hopefully eventually she will be well enough to make amends,
Being a victim in a situation doesn’t give you an excuse to be abusive to other people. It’s so bad for you. I really hope she gets help, you can tell this is tearing her up. She needs to step back and worry about her own health.
@@kitkatthebobcat6556 Exactly hopefully when she gets her head straight she'll come out and take responsibility for her actions.
Shiloh: I'M PATIEN ZERO
Skye: uh..
Has skye ever addressed that? Genuinely asking.
She just handed Greg all that he needs to prove to people that she is “crazy”. Girl just gave him a fully loaded gun. 🤦🏽♀️
This
She sure damn did. But she's probably just a kid. And at that age, you can't even wipe your ass right, let alone think properly. 😒
She is a bit fkn crazy tho, hello? Greg can't be making it all up about her. Even another one of her exs said she barricaded him in a room just like Greg said she did to him. Like....
But it also shows the damage he causes. The manipulation shown in her is the same shown in Kai
@@capric0rpse never heard about that, where's the source please
I also have cptsd due to traumas and yes it has caused many anger problems, and maybe even jumping to conclusions/viewing people who aren't as a threat and lashing out, through my life but I do know that I'M responsible for however that anger or misunderstanding affects another person. Yes, she may be suffering greatly right now, but that doesn't mean you're in the right. We're not always in the right simply because we're traumatised.
I don't know if this makes any sense or even if what I mean comes across but.
Good for you. It took me years to realise I was reproducing certain things my abuser did because he fucked up my mental state so bad I'd normalised that toxic behaviour. And I got healthier but only after spending thousands of dollars in therapy, psychologists and medication.
What she did was bad, I'm not defending her. I'm just providing a possible explanation. I think it'd be better to lay off her for a while, she needs to take care of herself to acknowledge the wrong she's done.
I really like shiloh, I relate to her experience and I enjoy her personality when I have seen it, but just because you have been abused doesn't give you a pass to treat other people like crap. On the opposite side, I will say that alot of abuse victims especially mental and emotional abuse, there have been cases where the victim can fall into patterns of manipulation because its what they have been exposed to. I've had a long hard time getting myself out of a few of my exes abusive habits because they helped me survive him at the time. I had to accept that I relied on it as a toxic tool, and tell my close people so they can help me change my behaviour.
So, long story short, either shiloh is unfortunately using her experience to excuse the toxic actions, or she needs some more support in getting rid of old toxic tools that have come from her relationship.
Either way my point still stands. Just because you have been abused in the past doesn't give you a free pass to treat others badly.
Bruh I started smoking in order to cope with an an abusive boyfriend and 8 years later I still struggle to quit. If that's not a testament to toxic coping habits I dont know what is.
@@dreamingangel18 I started smoking more after I was raped, my family have accepted that
I'm a smoker myself so understand, it's not easy when very little works to help sometimes. I hope you both are doing better now and in happier situations.
@@rachealcatt5738 things are still hard but I'm managing, even if its somewhat still destructive to myself
@@MonstehDinosawr I truly understand managing is always better than not, I have to try to remember that I'm basically rewriting my brain and they way it connects things, and it's actually going to take a while , so managing is always worth celebrating.
She clearly has some serious emotional issues going on from her trauma. I would NEVER take anything she has to say personally. I think she has some very serious issues to work out. It seems like she has taken on some of her abuser’s traits. Sad very very sad.
She had issues before she ever met onion
@@arock7462 but you literally dont know what kind or personality before. Just su
I'm sure there's a video I seen where Onision says she has BPD which would explain a lot of her outbursts in one sense
@@lil_weasel219 anyone that fakes a miscarriage is mentally ill. Saying su is juvenile please get help.
@@arock7462 I wish I could even understandwhat it is that you attempted to type up there
She's seriously having a breakdown, dming all these people, jeesh.
That's the point I think people need to focus on. She isn't in her right mind. She's having a psychotic episode because of the stress of the situation, as everything around her is triggering her illness. She isn't trying to lash out and hurt people. She's trying to get them to leave her alone because she cannot handle it anymore. If people want to keep baiting her by accusing her of being abusive, they're going to get yelled at, and it's insane to believe they wouldn't be. She's being accused of doing the very thing that was done to her, being accused of causing the same damage to people that was caused to her, just because she has asked them to leave her alone. Whether she's in the wrong or not is irrelevant, because Edwin absolutely is, and perhaps once she's of sound mind she will see the patterns of her behaviour and feel remorse or apologetic, but she doesn't HAVE TO. She is the victim here, she was his victim, and she has had irreparable damage caused to her by him. She definitely needs to get off the internet, it is toxic as heck and people are just going to keep baiting her for attention. "Look, she's being a psycho with me too! Screenshots for proof, like and subscribe!"
mydogeatspuke finally someone said it
this has been happening behind the scenes for 2 years.
Should see what Sarah and Dylan have been doing too.
Don't act surprised everyone! There have been several ppl who have spoken out about their behavior and been ignored for years.....
@@QueenOfKarma it blows my mind that people can look at war vets with PTSD and how they hide from loud noises or hallucinate their ceiling fans being choppers and totally understand that, but struggle to understand that abuse victims with PTSD might also have somewhat "odd" behaviours. Too many armchair psychologists online thinking reading a couple of websites makes them an expert. Interesting that you all accuse Onion of being a sociopath but fail to see how you mirror so many of his behaviours against his actual victims, perpetuating the abuse that caused their PTSD in the first place.
@@mydogeatspuke I have cptsd myself. I did a video December 4 about how these girls are going to get cptsd bc Hansen is screwing with this. I then got told by the anti Os that CPTSD doesn't exist. These victims have been struggling for months and there's a lot of odd things going on behind the scenes. But nobody wants to hear it. Bc apparently it ruins the Onision investigation.
When there isn't one.
Grooming isn't illegal. He didn't rape anyone. Cops have been there and not arrested him. The shit show should have been left in 2019 but every one has to make their money and claim its for the greater good.
And love how Edwin plays into the false RSN narrative. Wait til they start calling you a rapist or get a girl to come visit and frame you Edwin. Then you can complain. Oh. No. Shiloh yelled at you boo hoo. All these losers framed a man and ruined his life. Maybe two men. Maybe many more. Some have men from the past who claim they were falsely accused too.
Nobody wanted to do real research. Every one just jumped on to make videos to get popular and make money. Lie all you want.
The sad reality?
Victims of abuse/manipulation can sometimes become the abusers/manipulators.
It’s a bad cycle and often a defense mechanism/learned behavior
Same thing what happen to kai he was a victim to Predator
I feel I HAVE to say this again. Edwin is by no means a little onision. He NEVER EVER SAID bc Shiloh's behavior is wrong means that suddenly Edwin AGREES with all the BS onision has done.
People saying it's Edwin's fault Shiloh's losing credibility NO it's Shiloh's fault. Edwin's pretty much baffled like the rest of us and is posting the truth back with actual proof that Edwin's not just running his mouth simply to make a video for "clout".
If anyone to he mad it it's Shiloh's for also making the other girls in this investigation look bad.
Again, Edwin's never said he agreed with onision so there's THAT.
Yet apparently no one's had very called Shiloh out on her erratic angry behavior which is why even as an adult she thinks she's in the right and thinks if she makes up stuff like bc one disagrees with her behavior,they are dragging her under the bus, in fact, someone NEEDS to stand up n tell her No your behavior is Not ok. We have all been through bad stuff in out past. Hers with onision does Not make It ok for her to lie, act like an angry lunatic and be insulting bc she doesn't want to be told she's in the wrong.
Props to you Edwin for standing up for yourself. Bc u know what you were doing and you know what Shiloh was doing wasn't ok. Normally you try to be kind,nice,not provoke people but Shiloh continued to be a rude,mean,insultive behavior..so I'm proud you stood up for yourself and your followers. Good job🐢🐢🐢🐢 Cara
Watchenu Who would think he’s a little onion?!?!
@@ThomasinaJefferson-ke7xs people have left ignorant comments like thanks for helping onisions case now etc..they'd be highly delusional to think that though n probably only say it as a manipulative tactic to try to silence him bc I guess they don't watch his videos n see Edwin doesn't typically go off on people for the heck of it and is pretty smart..so the tactics wouldn't work
I feel like he drew the line when she started attacking his followers. That’s a very low blow, and they didn’t make the video about her, or anything they’re innocent. (Probably minors too).
I don’t get why people say “you could care less....”/“I could care less....” you realise the phrase is “couldn’t care less”...?
When I saw shiloh's first interview with Chris Hansen, my heart broke for her because I've been abused as well. But it's not uncommon for a victim to eventually become the abuser and that's very sad. It's a vicious cycle.
Having been victimised gives you ZERO right to be abusive to other people.
- Sincerely, a survivor
Nailed it 100%✌👌🤘⭐🌱
It actually made me nauseous by her saying she was on suicide watch, was dying in front of everyone’s eyes and no one will help her, etc. I also raised an eyebrow when she said she was the “FIRST VICTOM” Skye didn’t count? She’s not processing the fact that no one wanted this to happen. I STILL support Shiloh and “her girls” (which has always made me feel weird by her calling them that) even with this behavior because I’m sure it is stemming from mental health.
I’m bipolar, but I don’t use my mood cycling as an excuse for poor behavior.
I genuinely hope Shiloh can reflect on what happened, release it was wrong and apologize and grow stronger from the situation.
I remember reading a conspiracy that she is pissed off because she wanted to be the jewel on the bring down onion crown. I hope that is not true.
Okay, hear me out. This is a very subjective topic but I can see both sides to this. As someone who has been manipulated, sexually abused, groomed, alienated and not believed for my own traumas, I see why Shiloh’s guard is up so high. This is unknown territory for her to be believed for once. She has bonded with the people who have been through the same thing as she may feel partly guilty for what happened to them as she was the first victim of onions. I also have complex ptsd, along with bpd and severe anxiety; and my own traumas have been very similar to shiloh’s in the way they manifested and must have manifested within her young brain too. I have a lot of time and empathy for Shiloh, as it’s very obvious that for years all she wanted was for people to believe her, and now that they do, she is TERRIFIED to lose it and see the way the internet treated her 10 years ago all over again. She is hurting. She is in pain, and all of this talking and also hearing what the man that abused her did to other women too will have absolutely torn her apart. She is very clearly unhealed, and the way she speaks very openly about her ED and the fact she is on suicide watch isn’t in order to emotionally blackmail you intentionally (at least not how I read it), but it’s a cry for help to show people that having the internet on her side won’t fix everything Greg did to her. A big behavioural trait of bpd is manipulative talking/blackmail etc, and although it all may look like we’re trying to hurt you and make you feel bad through our words and actions, it goes a lot deeper than that. It is a form of validation for the emotions we are feeling, to scream it at people so that it can’t be ignored or invalidated anymore. I see why you are hurt by her responses to you, and yes it correlates a lot with some of Greg’s past behaviour.. but I do not feel for a second you can speak on behalf of her trauma or her ability to accept criticism vs praise. It is very obvious she is in a lot of mental pain and is in need of a good break from the internet, but for now her only validation for her trauma is through the internet believing her for once. Yes it is her responsibility on what she does on the internet, but it is also your responsibility to not fuel the fire on the internet, and thus the fire inside of Shilohs poor mind. This is a lot more complex than a few angry tweets and who has blocked who. I’m sorry if this came across as blameful or hostile, but shilohs story resinates deeply within me, and I see myself in her actions. I feel this subject is just too sensitive to really cover effectively without anybody’s feelings getting hurt.
Hold on a second.
Anyone correct me if this is possible but I was on suicide watch and I wasn't allowed to have a phone or internet access at all.
Especially when the internet is a trigger for you which seems to be for her because she is constantly reminded of her abuse and abuser so I'm sceptic about this part.
Rosea Noctua Yep I totally agree with you
At this point she has absolutely no credibility. Too many lies. Too much awful shit said.
yuh suicide watch is a 3 day period... at least where im from
When I first saw Shiloh in her first CH interview, I thought, wow, she’s gotten so much confidence. I’m so glad she managed to overcome what happened to her, I hope one day I can be as strong as her. Now the more I see going on, I’m seeing her confidence as arrogance and superiority. ☹️
The saddest thing is that she actually wants to be helpful and “protect” every victim, but in reality she is doing more harm. I feel bad for how this may affect the victims including her in a negative way.
I’m just gonna say this, when you get out of an abusive relationship you are on the defense and everything, literally everything, is an attack. And so you lash out with everything that you have, even if it’s irrational, because you spent so long in flight mode. But now you don’t have to be, so you go straight into fight mode so something like that doesn’t ever happen again. You get stuck in that. You don’t let anyone get close enough to ever hurt you again, you push them all away. I’m not saying that Shiloh is in the right for attacking anyone but at the same time I understand what she’s going through, I get it and I’ve been through it more than a few times. I hope she’s getting help for this because it can eat you alive. Some people never get past that defensive stage of being and it’s no way to live and she deserves better. The people who care about her deserve better. Every single victim everywhere deserves better.
Yeah but that doesn't excuse your behaviour. You paint everyone with the same brush; what does that say about you? Lashing out at people because you've been lashed out at is as stupid as "an eye for an eye".
I'm an abuse survivor. I've never tarnished men as having the same mentality as my abuser. That just leads to a bitter life.
I have PTSD, I've had break downs like this obviously not in a public way and I feel awful that hers is so public... But that doesn't justify her actions.
Yeah I have BPD and I won’t even lie I’ve had some pretty huge explosive episodes behind closed doors. When I’m going through it I know social media is a big no for me
Shiloh's a hot mess! She needs to get off social media and concentrate on therapy. I myself was an abuse victim for 3.5 years and I have kids with my abuser so I've had to continue dealing with him for the last 13 years since I got away so I know what being a victim feels like...
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Okay but maybe one person will deal with their abuser differently than others? I tried to talk to my dad after 10 years because people kept pushing me and I'm just left with a spiralling mentality and memories seeping through my amnesic blockages. Just because you know what it's like to be abused doesn't mean your way of dealing with abuse is the only one.
She does need a break, but saying she's doing this 'wrong' is just making things worse. You know what being A victim is like, you don't know what it's like to be someone else and a victim.
@@MayaTheBeeeeee Please show me where I said she's dealing with it wrong. You will find that I did not say that because it's not true.
Side note: Turtle earring so heckin cute
As someone who's endured a very abusive relationship for years physically and mentally, if you succumb to becoming the abuser instead of working and helping yourself, I no longer feel bad for you. I got help and got better, sis. We are not the same.
Great message!