Man your drywall tips are killer. I’m a carpenter, but I’ve been getting more into drywall jobs lately with a buddy of mine. We’re both okay at it, but your videos have been a huge help with stuff like this. Thanks brother!
@@ereh11 once you get used to it, it's not that taxing, plus it's great for the body. You are bending and twisting and reaching above your head and down to the floor. So much healthier than sitting in a chair all day.
@@roguesyndicate4097 I'm not trying to be disrespectful when they're hired to oversee the work and progress yet dont have the competence- this will only lead to a disappointment and is a shame as we all work too hard for our money.
@dimitrisl9085 it is a fair judgement, my training and focus was never on drywall. I can patch and hang. But never learned many tricks for drywall, plumbing, electrical, framing, cabinets doors, windows, tile, are my strengths. Tis why I watch this guy's channel
Nice work! I used to get mad at the guys that didn’t know what they were doing because they used to cut into our boxes and destroy our wires . The wires would be too short so we would have to run another whip 🙄 lol
As a young general contractor I’m often impressed by older people that actually have the time to teach others how to properly do things I generally cut a hole with my drywall router before I place the Sheetrock on the wall… there’s a small gap all around but trust me when I say, it’s much better and faster than any of my other workers would’ve done 😂😂🍺
I recently bought a rotozip, I used to premeasure all my boxes and try to get the cut just right, and it was a pain. Now I just measure to get the center, make a hole ahead of time, then put up the sheet and cut all the boxes. Takes a bit of practice to get it right though... I have a few where I cut way too much out. I can always do the handy man special and use the oversize covers. :P
As a Sparky, my only request is; If you're going to plunge inside the box, please use depth gauge with router set no more than an inch deep. If the wires ain't tucked in beyond that, thats on us!
Some of them still hit them no matter how much you tuck. I just tuck plenty and leave a little towards the front. Then the rocker can get his satisfaction nicking wire and I still have enough to work with.
Take a hammer and push your wires in. Plus the rotozip bit shouldn’t be that deep, only the tip should be touching the box to guide the bit. Too far in and it can’t cut it right and you have no guide on the bit. Been boarding for 10 years and there’s a reason my business is Precision Construction
Lol, I love coming back to a job just to see some of the wires mangled to bits. You can only tuck those wires in so much and less so with boxes that are busier.
How????? I cut out 100 boxes a day and I’ve missed none. A simple technique you can do is count how many ceiling boxes there are and how many wall boxes and write it on the door frame and count at the end.
Right... The metal boxes are a bit smaller so it will cover, but gaps that large on a plastic box may not. Then they mud it in and sand it smooth, but often leave mud in the box. When you (the electrician) break it free to clear the box, it tears the whole patch out. Either that or it cracks later because that mud isn't actually bonded to anything, particularly when they leave dust there before mudding. I like the box shaped vibrating cutters much better.
@Tekagi Yeah, the work I am seeing is quite sloppy. Lots of mud in the boxes, 1/4-1/2 gaps around them covered with mud against dusty drywall where it barely sticks and not pushed back in for adhesion and support, and often cracks when the cover plate is installed. I tried to score the break with a knife, but most were so delicate they would break with minimal force. Another thing they would do is slap some tape over the gap with nothing behind it. Once sanded it is very thin and flexes at the connection to the drywall making a crack outside the cover plates. I ended up filling the space behind the gaps with expanding foam to give the plaster something to support it. A lot of extra work fixing them.
Yeah, I'm OCD (it ain't a profitable trait) but I like to vacuum the dust and then push a good amount of hot mud, made with glue in my water, around the box, letting it stick out into the box just a little, then come back with a utility knife once it sets and shave it down to a perfect rectangular opening using the inside of the box to guide the blade. Damn it looks beautiful when done but only myself and electricians will likely ever see it, lol.
I like when the drywall guys use these on all the blue pvc boxes. Just wiggle them around every which way as if they were trying to draw a star. Cut thru the sides, top, screw holes and wires.
I have to say I like your videos but I think going clockwise gives a much better result. The fact that you were on a small metal box where the device ears are outside the box saved this cut. If that was a plastic box, device holes inside, and you had a gap as big as you do on the bottom left, a standard size plate may not cover. Ditch the depth guide, it’s just in the way. I also like to hold a vacuum hose to the cut to suck up the dust before it gets airborne
In a situation like that id just pre cut a square with a key hole saw and tape it back tight ,because ,routers blow dust for miles and theres no dust barriers that i see there
@@shawnstone8924 There is no law, that a box must be a cube or so. It can be a cylinder. However I get that it sounds like a Container that is shaped like a rectangle. How would you call a cylindrical wall box? A can? „Unterputzdose“ is translated „flush-mounted box“ by google 🤷🏻♂️
Dog eared it... 🤣 I was never a big fan when my boss switched us to screw guns and routers. I liked nailing off and precutting fixtures that are in a sheet.
Ive watched a lot of your videos. You're pretty good and I'd hire you on the spot. However you gotta control that dust. Cover the doorway to their furniture or the furniture itself or you'll be cleaning a lot of dust and gain a bad reputation for all the dust.
Pro tip besides not having a seam by a box, never have a bevel 6" next to door if u can help it always break over-top the door, lay out the entire wall before slapping up a sheet like this guy... almost alwaysresults in less taping too.. 😉
If the bit makes contact with the box it will want to pull away or towards you, depending on which way it spins. You always want the bit to pull opposite the way you push the cut. That he recommends counter clockwise for outside, you can deduce his router bit spins clockwise
I honestly hate having to finish around where someone has used a router because if I don’t take a razor and clean up the roughed up edges it’ll put trash/hitchhikers in my mud. I’ve always thought it a better practice to cut a clean razor before installing. But, to each his own I guess
Why would you put a flat joint right next to the box when you should have put it over the doorway anyway? That would eliminate screws being too close to a box as well. Also, the next sheet going up looks about 16 inches. So what you did was add another 8' flat for the taper instead of a small joint over the door. 2 birds, 1 stone.
@@habiks if you don’t understand why just say so! There’s no need to make yourself sound stupid you probably already look stupid but why open mouth and prove your stupidity
I'm more concerned about the joint being so close to the door. Less likely to crack if it was above the header. The box close to a joint is just a minor inconvenience
I've been having a heck of a time doing this with plastic boxes. I've seen videos that make it seem possible but it seems like the bit will get hung up and next thing ive made a little divot in the box just from the heat of the guide tip. Definitely easier with metal boxes. Any thoughts?
Metal boxes are easier because they also get a “mud ring” and even with the ones that don’t there’s no play in a metal box unlike there counterparts. Or when people use remodel boxes like new construction boxes
I think the plastic boxes are way easier. They are only a rectangle. You need to make sure you are riding the end of the bit against the box and not the threaded part. The end has no threads so it can roll on the plastic. The metal boxes have way more going on so you have to be able to visualize the shape when it’s behind the drywall. Starting in the same spot on every box if possible will help it become a memorized motion.
Well here we just make a round hole, place the plastic round electric box in it (and while you do it, connect the cable tube and cable through it) and done…. No hassle and perfect results.
@vancouvercarpenter it is when you measure off of the place where you did. No disrespect, but I've been hanging sheetrock since 1974 before there were routers. We used to precut everything. There are times that I do go to the center area of the box. Especially in can lights. I was only pointing out that if you are measuring, you might as well hit the edge. Not trying to say you're doing it wrong.
Isn't this the carpenters job? Here in Europe we just use round boxes, the carpenters put a magnet in it and then put up the drywall and another magnet on the other side and then drill with a round saw blade
It's also way easier to get a piece of chalk and smudge the edge of the box. Tap the sheet against the chalk, cut the outline. Fits like a glove most times and if not, shave to fit. -midwest
technically that's not a drywall router, its a rotary tool. Not usually a good idea to be using it that close to electrical wires. That said, why is there insulation in interior walls.?
Man your drywall tips are killer. I’m a carpenter, but I’ve been getting more into drywall jobs lately with a buddy of mine. We’re both okay at it, but your videos have been a huge help with stuff like this. Thanks brother!
Is being a carpenter very physically taxing? Or is it manageable?
@@ereh11 once you get used to it, it's not that taxing, plus it's great for the body. You are bending and twisting and reaching above your head and down to the floor. So much healthier than sitting in a chair all day.
Metal boxes make is so much easier! No fear of burning through the damn thing!!
Exactly
I always cut through the blue boxes and mess it up
@@carpentrylover145me too
Yep, annoying
So that's what those cuts in my electric boxes are from. Go figure.
@carpentrylover145 if you use the guide point bits, it is less likely to cut through the plastic box.
I haven’t seen a rotozip router in a very long time, feels like yesterday when my dad bought that same router in the video about 20 years ago.
Well, I did buy it almost 15 years ago😂
@@vancouvercarpenter still have my old man’s as well lol, think that one needs a new cord.
Huh? They’re still for sale at HD and everywhere. Have not changed at all.
Always wondered how yall did that. I'm a gc. Not a pro drywaller by any means. So this is awesome information
You’re a gc and you’ve never routed out a box in drywall?
Too many people call themselves GC's when all they do is collect and screw over clients
@@dimitrisl9085 absolutely agree.
@@roguesyndicate4097 I'm not trying to be disrespectful when they're hired to oversee the work and progress yet dont have the competence- this will only lead to a disappointment and is a shame as we all work too hard for our money.
@dimitrisl9085 it is a fair judgement, my training and focus was never on drywall. I can patch and hang. But never learned many tricks for drywall, plumbing, electrical, framing, cabinets doors, windows, tile, are my strengths. Tis why I watch this guy's channel
To me you are the best for drywall installation video maker ♥️. Thank you
Nice work!
I used to get mad at the guys that didn’t know what they were doing because they used to cut into our boxes and destroy our wires . The wires would be too short so we would have to run another whip 🙄 lol
As a young general contractor I’m often impressed by older people that actually have the time to teach others how to properly do things
I generally cut a hole with my drywall router before I place the Sheetrock on the wall… there’s a small gap all around but trust me when I say, it’s much better and faster than any of my other workers would’ve done 😂😂🍺
“aS a YoUnG GEnErAL cOnTrACtOr…” boy shut up 😂
I've seen a lot of your videos. You're a great teacher.
You’re the man, love your channel as well style of working & teaching!
Been following you for years. You are the best man. happy new year.
U make it look too easy Ben, when I know it's not 😆💕👍
I recently bought a rotozip, I used to premeasure all my boxes and try to get the cut just right, and it was a pain. Now I just measure to get the center, make a hole ahead of time, then put up the sheet and cut all the boxes. Takes a bit of practice to get it right though... I have a few where I cut way too much out. I can always do the handy man special and use the oversize covers. :P
As a Sparky, my only request is; If you're going to plunge inside the box, please use depth gauge with router set no more than an inch deep. If the wires ain't tucked in beyond that, thats on us!
Nah make your job harder as payback for getting in the plumber’s way!
Some of them still hit them no matter how much you tuck. I just tuck plenty and leave a little towards the front. Then the rocker can get his satisfaction nicking wire and I still have enough to work with.
Take a hammer and push your wires in. Plus the rotozip bit shouldn’t be that deep, only the tip should be touching the box to guide the bit. Too far in and it can’t cut it right and you have no guide on the bit. Been boarding for 10 years and there’s a reason my business is Precision Construction
Lol, I love coming back to a job just to see some of the wires mangled to bits. You can only tuck those wires in so much and less so with boxes that are busier.
I’m still a little new and I can never remember which way to go. Thank you sir
this is awesome... way too many times ive guessed on box locations and blew out my drywall. this looks much easier
How????? I cut out 100 boxes a day and I’ve missed none. A simple technique you can do is count how many ceiling boxes there are and how many wall boxes and write it on the door frame and count at the end.
That's a brutal cut
Right... The metal boxes are a bit smaller so it will cover, but gaps that large on a plastic box may not.
Then they mud it in and sand it smooth, but often leave mud in the box. When you (the electrician) break it free to clear the box, it tears the whole patch out. Either that or it cracks later because that mud isn't actually bonded to anything, particularly when they leave dust there before mudding.
I like the box shaped vibrating cutters much better.
@Tekagi Yeah, the work I am seeing is quite sloppy. Lots of mud in the boxes, 1/4-1/2 gaps around them covered with mud against dusty drywall where it barely sticks and not pushed back in for adhesion and support, and often cracks when the cover plate is installed. I tried to score the break with a knife, but most were so delicate they would break with minimal force. Another thing they would do is slap some tape over the gap with nothing behind it. Once sanded it is very thin and flexes at the connection to the drywall making a crack outside the cover plates.
I ended up filling the space behind the gaps with expanding foam to give the plaster something to support it. A lot of extra work fixing them.
Yeah, I'm OCD (it ain't a profitable trait) but I like to vacuum the dust and then push a good amount of hot mud, made with glue in my water, around the box, letting it stick out into the box just a little, then come back with a utility knife once it sets and shave it down to a perfect rectangular opening using the inside of the box to guide the blade. Damn it looks beautiful when done but only myself and electricians will likely ever see it, lol.
Awesome! You're very skilled to not electrocute yourself! 😊
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Okay, just kidding, Ben !! 😂😂😂
I like when the drywall guys use these on all the blue pvc boxes. Just wiggle them around every which way as if they were trying to draw a star. Cut thru the sides, top, screw holes and wires.
It's even easier with the electrical box cut out tool attachment for an oscillating tool.
I have to say I like your videos but I think going clockwise gives a much better result. The fact that you were on a small metal box where the device ears are outside the box saved this cut. If that was a plastic box, device holes inside, and you had a gap as big as you do on the bottom left, a standard size plate may not cover. Ditch the depth guide, it’s just in the way. I also like to hold a vacuum hose to the cut to suck up the dust before it gets airborne
Didn't know the counter/clockwise thing THANKS!
We install boxes flush with the inside of the drywall. Makes for a cleaner finish for the painters.
I’ve yet to see any skilled carpentry from this guy
My friend jus started working for a drywall installation company!
Nice work. I'll fill it with base-coat for you and top it real neat.
In a situation like that id just pre cut a square with a key hole saw and tape it back tight ,because ,routers blow dust for miles and theres no dust barriers that i see there
I like boxes that only need a circular saw straight into drywall or panels for install and mounting .
America’s Home funniest Video host Alan Thicke out here schooling us thanks
You make it look so easy bro!
Your really good at this you must do this every day for a very long time
Your tips warrant the raised eyebrows at the end.
Thats why we have round Boxes in Germany:
Mark the center, drill a hole… done.
Even in stone Walls 😅
Thought the same (Netherlands) 🤣🤣 those silly Americans right
A round box eh? How is a box round?! 🙆
@@shawnstone8924 There is no law, that a box must be a cube or so. It can be a cylinder.
However I get that it sounds like a Container that is shaped like a rectangle.
How would you call a cylindrical wall box? A can?
„Unterputzdose“ is translated „flush-mounted box“ by google 🤷🏻♂️
Yes sir. I did double 5/8 lids in the Mines. The zip router is the only way. Looking proper bud.
To make the 'tip' complete, you should have described what router bit to use! Spiral upcut?
Man, that was slick! Atta boy!
This is such a good tip, whish I knew a few months ago
Dog eared it... 🤣 I was never a big fan when my boss switched us to screw guns and routers. I liked nailing off and precutting fixtures that are in a sheet.
Best looking dude in the business
Thats what we call looping the box. Tapers are going to have to fix that and float it out.
Please call us finishers, a taper is at the end of your turd, to keep your a-hole from slamming shut.
Ive watched a lot of your videos. You're pretty good and I'd hire you on the spot.
However you gotta control that dust. Cover the doorway to their furniture or the furniture itself or you'll be cleaning a lot of dust and gain a bad reputation for all the dust.
Pro tip besides not having a seam by a box, never have a bevel 6" next to door if u can help it always break over-top the door, lay out the entire wall before slapping up a sheet like this guy... almost alwaysresults in less taping too.. 😉
Love this video
At the end you should say that's called a "Carbonaro Effect" lol
I grind it everyday. Keep up the good work
You look like a cross between George Clooney and Steve-O
Why do you go a certain direction for tracing the inside vs the outside of the electrical box ?
If the bit makes contact with the box it will want to pull away or towards you, depending on which way it spins. You always want the bit to pull opposite the way you push the cut.
That he recommends counter clockwise for outside, you can deduce his router bit spins clockwise
He got the roto zip router but the hilti screw gun. I fuckin love my hilti router!
I honestly hate having to finish around where someone has used a router because if I don’t take a razor and clean up the roughed up edges it’ll put trash/hitchhikers in my mud. I’ve always thought it a better practice to cut a clean razor before installing. But, to each his own I guess
You should see my box cut outs, always perfect. All you need is x-bit guide bits and you slow down around corners. Super easy
Why would you put a flat joint right next to the box when you should have put it over the doorway anyway? That would eliminate screws being too close to a box as well.
Also, the next sheet going up looks about 16 inches. So what you did was add another 8' flat for the taper instead of a small joint over the door.
2 birds, 1 stone.
Here’s a pro tip, never land a joint next to a box, you don’t understand how much more annoying taping that is
You put it where you want/need it, not where it's easier.
@@habiks if you don’t understand why just say so! There’s no need to make yourself sound stupid you probably already look stupid but why open mouth and prove your stupidity
@@habiksyou put the box where you need it. You can put the drywall where you want it
I'm more concerned about the joint being so close to the door. Less likely to crack if it was above the header. The box close to a joint is just a minor inconvenience
Most times you just don’t have another choice. And its really not THAT much harder to tape 😂
Id mark the top/bottom of box too
I've been having a heck of a time doing this with plastic boxes. I've seen videos that make it seem possible but it seems like the bit will get hung up and next thing ive made a little divot in the box just from the heat of the guide tip. Definitely easier with metal boxes. Any thoughts?
Metal boxes are easier because they also get a “mud ring” and even with the ones that don’t there’s no play in a metal box unlike there counterparts. Or when people use remodel boxes like new construction boxes
I think the plastic boxes are way easier. They are only a rectangle. You need to make sure you are riding the end of the bit against the box and not the threaded part. The end has no threads so it can roll on the plastic. The metal boxes have way more going on so you have to be able to visualize the shape when it’s behind the drywall. Starting in the same spot on every box if possible will help it become a memorized motion.
Theres a couple types of bits. Some have a non cutting tip and you can adjust the shoe to proper board depth.
Was that a makita branded pencil? Cool beans!
Am i missing something here? I was always taught and have always hung drywall sheets horizontal not vertical?
One day I will get a router, until then, multi tool. If I did more cabinetry I would
Slick work btw
Box should finish flush to face of drywall, harder for rocker, but code legal.
I tell this to all my apprentices
They have the hardest time remembering which way to go with the router 😅
I'm a wiggle tool guy myself
Thank you for making that lil mistake.
That was so good!!
Must be fairly big plates going over that..
That may take me an enormous amount of time to do.
How do you screw that close to the edge without the drywall breaking?
Can you post the links to the tools you are using here the gun and the cutter pls!?
Theyre both made by many brands in cordless and corded versions. Drywall screwdriver/screw gun and drywall cutout tool.
And the electrician will still swear that you cut his wires. Lol. 😳😏😜
Looks so easy 😂
Holy shit apples bubs. I could've cut that out cleaner with a claw hammer.
Screws are a bit close to the edge there. I’m certain they are cracked out on the backside.
ah so that's how those wires get nicked
I would say measure to the outside edge of the box and start like a half inch in from there before jumping over and going around
If u push the wires to the back of the box then ur router bit isn't long enough to touch the wires
Buy guide points zip bits, especially if a noob...
Well here we just make a round hole, place the plastic round electric box in it (and while you do it, connect the cable tube and cable through it) and done…. No hassle and perfect results.
Let's go big BEN! 👏👏👏👏👏
Very cool
What the hell sparky is using that kind of box, and mounted flush to the stud? Looks like a handyman install.
Amazing
What kind of drill is that
Dam near perfect!
Is the box too deep to get your switch on there?
You almost tagged that wire 😅 look where the blade was first inserted
If im measuring, i measure right to the edge.
The edge is not always where you thought it was once the sheet is tacked. The middle of the box is a bigger target and easier to hit every time.
@vancouvercarpenter it is when you measure off of the place where you did. No disrespect, but I've been hanging sheetrock since 1974 before there were routers. We used to precut everything. There are times that I do go to the center area of the box. Especially in can lights. I was only pointing out that if you are measuring, you might as well hit the edge. Not trying to say you're doing it wrong.
What kind of bit are you using? Same for wood?
Drywall bit
It's actually pretty simple for those who thinks it's hard.. 😀 just get the right bit!!! You don't want to cut the box lol..
What setting is your drill on for the drywall screws?
There is only one setting lol drywall, it’s called a drywall screw gun not an impact driver
Do you still skate??
Wish the guys who built my house had seen this. Every box is totally messed up - a constant fight all the time trying to fix them.
Boxes go in after the drywall is put up
😂
@@UnifiedInfo it’s true you run the wires then set drywall and mark boxes then cut
What makes you decide to cut inside or outside
Always go inside first. Then plow to the edge of box. Hop over box. But I always go clockwise. Bit won't slide around. To each his own I guess.
The electrician is going to need some 2 inch 6/32's,or and some spacers😂.
Don't the receptical ears have to sit on the drywall?
Isn't this the carpenters job?
Here in Europe we just use round boxes, the carpenters put a magnet in it and then put up the drywall and another magnet on the other side and then drill with a round saw blade
It's also way easier to get a piece of chalk and smudge the edge of the box. Tap the sheet against the chalk, cut the outline. Fits like a glove most times and if not, shave to fit. -midwest
technically that's not a drywall router, its a rotary tool. Not usually a good idea to be using it that close to electrical wires. That said, why is there insulation in interior walls.?
Joint is too close to the edge. Use longer sheets!
Nice fart ! Keep up the great work !
Any reason you're using metal
Now don't forget to mud over it
OMG! Didn’t anyone see when they switched out the tool AND the wall! Good edit! 😂😂 JK, but you KNOW there’s that one idiot….
That is a totally butchered cut Ben. Why did you post THAT one? 😂😂
Yea he really did butcher it, the reason is because he’s using a normal bit and not a guide bit.
Hell thats good enouh to keep this sparky happy
Remember the days people had skill and transferred measurements and precut the sheets?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Why is thy drywall not tight to the stud
One additional tip from a boarder with 35 years experience...PUSH IN THE WIRES...then you will not cut them with the router bit !!!
That’s gonna save me some time
My Boy needs more practice. You got it champ 🏆