Will Varys betray Daenerys?
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Judging by how things have gone, Varys is planning something mildly disappointing & unsatisfying to the audience.
It's been prophesied....
If it leads to the Mad Queen's death somehow it won't be disappointing to me. The only thing that would be any more disappointing to me with this show after this season is if Dany and Jon both marry and end up ruling the Iron Throne together happily ever after. I think Dany is gonna die, the Iron Throne and King's Landing will be destroyed, and if Jon survives I do think he'll be made King of Westeros but I wouldn't be shocked if he grants independence to each of the seven kingdoms as it was before Aegon's Conquest. Having one monarch in control of everything has been a blight upon the world, absolute power in King's Landing brought out the worst in everyone and I think Jon especially cause he doesn't really want power will realize this. If he does liberate the seven kingdoms I bet he retains his Kingship in the North and immediately rides there at the very end ostensibly to begin the process of rebuilding HIS neck of the woods while the rest of the kingdoms do the same.
Don Hill But something that subverts expectations.
It is known
@@dripmcpickle1173 Damn it i was guna say this until i read the comments..nice one:P
He’s looking for a show with a good script
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I don't blame him. He seems to be the only one who has his head on straight
Tyrion will bell Varys all about Jon, Varys will support Jon and betray Danny, Danny will execute Varys, Danny burns Kings Landing
The writing is so bad. Biggest flop in TV history
😂👌
STOP SPECULATING. THE WRITERS MINDS ARE NOT COMPLEX ENOUGH FOR WONDERFUL WRITING.
Facts
If GoT were Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy instead of what it is.
I agree
I was hoping and now wishing D&D were fired like a basketball coach mid-season only to be replaced by a better candidate who was given ample time to turn the program around...and did so, successfully and in a lengthy yet productive time period.
Stranger Resuello You're a MORON! If they weren't we wouldn't even get all the great stuff from the previous seasons! NO it's not only cos of George. To say it all ONLY came from him is LAZY & STUPID!!
"Feeling cute today, might back stab the Queen of Dragons."
I dunno.
Mother
It all seems a bit rushed
As if Dany and dragons are frickin dime a dozen.
😂😂😂
What is Vary's planning? He said he was planning to kill Dany and replace her with John . . . like, he flat out said that. It's not a guess.
When during the episode did he come out and flat out say “I’m going to kill dany “?
varys is seriously one of the most transparent people on this show yet for some reason, nobody ever believes him until its too late.
@skankhunt42 Well he never actually literally said it.......but the implications of his words did appear obvious.
For the good of the realm, for the good of the little people ..... my foot !!!!
@@SonOfExcess 100% this. He hardly ever lies about anything and on multiple occasions has made it abundantly clear that he serves the good of the realm over all parties/families/individuals.
He's been indirectly warned twice that his death will come from his lack of loyalty to any king or queen that he has pledged himself to. So for him to go through with his betrayal plans only makes Kinvara and Mel prophecy come true
Well we all know how D&D handle prophecies
Hasan Wilson couldnt have said it better!
He knows It and he will go on nonetheless
@@ComeAsYouAre0 Mel's prophecy was pretty accurate before she died
He serves the realm. Maybe he thinks death is worth it. Maybe thats what the voice told him.
The question is. Will Tyrion betray Varys?
Ooh...I hadn't thunk about that one. Shit, I hope not I really do.
Yes he would have to otherwise Varys would surely come out on top. Tyrion is the only player that has a proven mind and the info to screw Varys up. He won’t like it but it will ultimately come down to Dany or Varys and I do t see him sellout Dany with what they’ve shown thru ep4. Varys will burn and it will trace back to Tyrion’s actions.
Asking the right question. Tyrion might slip and snitch him out.
Tyrion has to go to Dany and tell her. He won't like it, but he's not going to burn just to protect Varys.
Stacy Leal That pisses me off because Tyrion is the one who told Varys. He should have sat on that info, or told Danni what Sansa said
I have been a staunch defender of the show and appreciate your willingness to try to analyze what's happening instead of complaining. But it is this very video that convinces me more than ever that we needed at least a 9th season to flesh this stuff out. Or they could have stuffed the 1st 3 episodes into last season and played this stuff out a bit slower. Anyway, I suspect most of this will be in the final book "Dream of Spring". We will, as a species, be extremely lucky if we ever get a finished version of that book. I will settle for Aristotle-like notes. But I remain hopeful.
Yeah, the story deserved at least another season. They've been rushing things since S7 and the closer we get to the end the more obvious this becomes. They should've stuck to the original format of 10 x 1 hour episodes and planned for 9 seasons, if not 10.
@@GonzoTehGreat Yes but as they have said. Actors wanna move on. Everybody will rank this as the most definitive thing they did...but they all wanna move on.
I think it goes without saying that the temptation to wanna move on has never plagued G.R.R.M. (groaning).
@@GonzoTehGreat One other thing I'll say is...I believe that the 1st 3 episodes this season are S.O.L.I.D. as ever and it's a total fan hit-job all the crying. Especially the Arya/NK thing, which I believe they DID set up for multiple seasons, and BRILLIANTLY.
So really my only "problem" was the last 30 minutes of episode 4, where they obviously went too fast setting up all these very complicated political machinations.....
Not much of which will get ironed out next episode unless the battle proves to be anticlimactic and not as long or involved as Long Night.
@@r.a.c.bysteveandrews3964 I never got the impression it was the actors pusing to wrap up the show and move on. I think they'd be fine with another year or two, especially after investing so much. It's not like they have offers of other roles streaming in....
Remember the cast of LotR? They committed to a decade of filming and some of them were already well known (McKellen, Mortensen, Tyler, Weaving etc). Actors should commit fully to the role at hand and if that means you're cast as Jon or Daenarys then you need to see that character through to the end. If anything, this should be less of an issue with GoT which (until S7 and S8) wasn't afraid to kill off characters.
@@r.a.c.bysteveandrews3964 I bet "wanting to move on" is the official reason and not the actual one. I bet it is that all of their salaries have risen and HBO wants them to restart with spinoffs and unknown actors again.
Otherwise I have no idea why D&D didn't just simply pass this to someone else who actually wants to finish it properly.
The show has become ridiculously expensive to produce.
Here’s a question: if Jon has the legitimate claim to the throne according to typical Westeros succession practices, is it technically treason to support him over Daenerys? Isn’t it technically be treason to back Daenerys over him?
If Jon really doesn’t want to rule, the easiest thing would be for him to announce to the world who he is, take the throne and then abdicate and give it to Dany. Targaryens have abdicated in the past....
@array s Except that Dany would not want to share her power, even with Jon. They say it on the show, she says it herself. People would ask Jon, and he would have to fumble it to Daenerys. She'd get sick of that real quick, but Jon abdicating would work if he couldn't see the dangers Daenerys poses to the realm.
@array s
wed Jon to that wacko ?
Seriously ?!
you know it's bad when we look forward to this more than the episodes
Really! I just wait for this and Talking thrones, they have better stories and plot lines than the multi-million dollar budgeted show writers.
You guys are clowns and should stop watching the damn show if you’re in your feelings like that. Damn idiots.
Excellent analysis. I see the tragedy developing as well. In fact I think if episode 4 had just been titled "That's not me," more people would have enjoyed it. Every single character in episode 4 has their "that's not me" moment and Jon actually has two. I'm not going to write paragraphs pointing each one out but they are there and fairly obvious. Several tragic character flaws revealed and so on. Good job Robert.
@MetraMan09Lol, I actually started to respond and then realized you are trolling me. A better one would be to say that you found Arya's "not me" moment but no other ones. But really even that is just not trying.
@MetraMan09 well, I suppose I could spend the rest of my day having a yes it is/no it isn't argument with you, but "that's not me".
@@johnpayne498 Excellent response.. to silly ... thing
@MetraMan09 You know, the lazy trolling tactic of saying "you're wrong, try again" to everything "is pretty fucking lame. Fucking loser, I know trolls, boredom and lack of--- something in life causes it. So maybe... get a life? 😐
Tyrion will tell Varys all about Jon, Varys will support Jon and betray Danny, Danny will execute Varys, Danny burns Kings Landing
Put the Onion knight on the throne and be done with it
Long live the Onion King!
Oh! .... different onion knight. Sorry
This is Davos Seaworth ... He's the king ....
Fermented crab for everyone!
@@Hirnlego999 Bowl of brown for all!
Don't overthink it. The writers have flushed this show down the toilet. He's dead next episode.
Hey you called it!
Dani will burn Varys. Most likely for betraying and telling the realm about who Jon really is.
it might be a real possibility...
I believe you are correct.
Any advisor that survives/outlasts multiple monarchs is up to no good. That's always a massive red flag.
why lol
Part of why hes kept around is his immense spy network which everyone knows they cant match, he also gives just enough to remain useful but not enough to be replaced. Even though hes served 5 kings, to those kings he always seemed indispensable.
The fact he could have plotted the assassination of every one of the rulers but didn't, tells you who he really is.
And before you say it, he didn't knew her then.
@anna verano In season 1, Varys was conspiring to overthrow Robert and put Viserys on the throne. We all know how terrible of a King he would have been.
Varys cares only for himself.
he plotted against Ned Stark. Remember when Arya overheard his conversation about killing Ned Stark when she was chasing cats, but she didn't know who it was, but we know who it was and it was Varys.
Varys: I plan on making Jon the true king
D&D: Nahh not enough time
@Leo Jansen completely agree season 8 have great battles so far but when it comes to story they lacking
@@junglejuice4761 Yeah, because we had so many battles in S8, more then dialogues and characters moments. Every episode a battle, men D&D suck. Lol
Tyrion will bell Varys all about Jon, Varys will support Jon and betray Danny, Danny will execute Varys, Danny burns Kings Landing
@@andreymudik2905 maybe she will try... somebody will stop her. Maybe even Jon will kill her eventually...
@@DaenerysTargaryenTheQueen lol every episode was a fight and the dialogue didn't serve the plot like earlier seasons this season is so rushed
The series is now devoid of any logic or foreshadowing so you're better off expecting nothing
I need to read the books right after the series went haywire ........smh
@@virgoqueen8950 Until the books are released, you can't.
@@TequilaToothpick I am talking about the books that are finished because I understand the series went haywire from the books that are finished, maybe the last 2 will be finished by the time I finish reading the ones that are complete. It is like George took his money from the series and ran ........SMH
@@virgoqueen8950 Nah, he has struggled with the main story because he knows the ending and that makes it less interesting to finish. But he has more recently promised to put work into it.
alas there is a degree of truth in your statement! 😢
It’s only 2 days and you will see him toasted
I agree he will taste the flames!
Jaime and Cersei will die in this coming one, Varys and Dany will be the last episode.
@@phillmoore1561 if jamie and cersei die in the same episode why would anybody kill Varys or Dany...
"You'd be disappointed in the results, the storms come and go, the big fish eat the little fish and I keep on paddling."
@@888167 Because Dany is gonna do it.
Who is waiting for the dornish to join the fight against cercei? They have a new Prince, its mentioned in last episode. The dornish army is still ready for revenge not only for Oberyn but the sand snakes.
@Mars Falcon "Kersplat" is such a great word. And Oberyn still has five daughters living, although maybe only two or three are old enough to fight and plot. I'm sure D&D forgot.
Wasn't the Dornish army destroyed when they were attacked by euron?
TheRealMVP They hadn't picked the Dornish army up yet. Euron attacked and destroyed Yara's fleet on her way to get them.
No Time. 2 episode left. They are rushing the finaly and focusing on other projects
The revenge for Obreyn is one of the worst plots on GoT. He volunteered to get revenge and he lost and yet the writers pushed this nonsensical revenge thingie
Varys accidentally reveals something to his Starbucks barista, who betrays him
Have you ever wondered why Varys has ever bothered with Westeros and why he's so concerned with it given that he isn't from there ? If that isn't a hidden BlackFryer pitching for the throne, I dunno what is !!!! (I heard this theory in a pub btw) He told LittleFinger he's not interested in the throne but I'm not convinced.
@Dragon50275 the answer to his riddle to Tyrion. Power lies where people believe it lies.
I said the same thing.. blackfyre.. That still crosses my mind. Do they have enough time to explain that one in the show..nope but hey never know. At this point prob not but I def thought of that too
You are one of the very best commentators on GOT
I think Varys giving the little birds candy instead of ripping out their tongues shows that maybe Varys does mean to do good. I also think Varys likes Tyrion because he always tries to settle things with a little violence as possible.
Varys is up to fulfilling his destiny of burning up 🐉
I love your videos, but I don’t think these show writers have the brain power to write complicated and subtle plots.
I don't think brain power is the problem. I think they deprived themselves of time and source material when they cut out so many story lines from the book. That was a decision they made 10 years ago, though.
@@r.a.c.bysteveandrews3964 "Dany forgot about Euron's fleet"...no, I think it might be low brain power...
@@socialjihad5724 again, I'm not trying to defend the writing from episode 4 in particular. But I stand by my comment.
And it's also fair to point out, from their quotes in other contexts...the actor wanna move on. They wanna move on. Budget pressures looming as HBO now has different ownership. Etc.....
NK cant be killed with dragon fire, but can be killed with valerian steel..... which is special because its forged in dragon fire 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
They are just giving us all the finger
@@danielholtom7777 Totally disagree with that. The book and the show sets their own rules for who can be killed and how. So people evaluating show rules with book rules are simply evaluating apples and oranges. The show demonstrated that white walkers are not afraid of fire numerous times. And Valyrian steel/dragon glass have dragon fire in them yes, but obviously they are also made from some other magic that made the NK.
IMO, had they killed the NK with dragon fire, THAT would have been poor writing because there was never any foreshadowing about it.
But there was plenty of foreshadowing about Arya's skill-set being THE skill-set required to get close enough to kill the NK the only way he could be killed. Arya's justification does also come from the books....from the description of what she was trained to be like. "Quick as a snake. Quiet as a shadow".
Jon, Sam, and Bran figured out how to kill him. They figured out that killing the walkers also drops the weights. Jon assembled the allies necessary to give Arya that very paper-thin window needed to slip in.
And, objectively, the show NEVER gave us a hint that Jon was anything other than inadequate when matching up against the NK personally. Ditto Daenerys.
It's ironic that if he would have freed Ned Stark, Ned could have put Jon on the Throne a long time ago! I hope Tyrion narks him out.
Ned didnt see Jon as heir, plus Jon was serving the nights watch by then... and we all know how staunchly Ned feels about the vows they take. He wanted Stannis or Renly to take the place of Robb not another Targaryen, even 1 he'd raised himself..
Got your wish.
@@kevinshannon955 You know the saying "be careful what you wish for" ? Lol . Well it was hard to know what Varys was up to or what he wanted really with no POV or real backstory. But turns out he called it !
Can't recall which season it was, but I remember Varys and Littlefinger standing in the throne room having a conversation and Littlefinger asking him what his motives were. Varys made a sly comment and then looked towards the Iron Throne. Don't know if that was his way of saying that's what he wanted or that he just wanted to control who sits on the iron chair.
I believe you are recalling a conversation he had Oberin Martell in front of the Iron Throne.
I believe you are actually talking about varys and Oberyn as thats whem he says "being free of desire leaves to pursue other goals" and when Oberyn asks like what he slyly looks at the iron throne
I love Varys, he’s one of my favorite game players and complex characters. His competitive banter with Little Finger is some of the best dialogue in the history of television as far as I’m concerned and a big part of why I fell in love with the show. The actor Conleth Hill portrays him so accurately and is exceptional. It’s redundant bringing up how the writing fell off after season 4 but it’s especially evident with a character like Varys who isn’t participating in battles or flying dragons. His character is built around being clever and pragmatic but without the multi layered storytelling, he’s been relegated to mostly a background piece. I also feel that omitting the Aegon/Young storyline it prevented Varys from becoming more of a multi dimensional character.
I think he already betrayed her. Would explain how Euron was able to ambush her so easily.
Would make more sense than Dany forgetting about them as D+D claimed
@Daniel Pereira it didn't look like the plan was to attack the ships but when dany flew away unharmed he decided I'll take out rhe ships as well
@Daniel PereiraVary's tells Tyrion "I will act in their interest no matter the personal cost" in regards to protecting the people of the realm in the throne room of Dragonstone. He then goes on to say "I have spoken as honestly as I can". Then if we go back earlier in the episode Vary's follows Dany when she leaves the victory celebration. The next time we see her she is in Jon's room where they speak about who he really is. Very possible Vary's over hears this, being the sneaky spider that he is. With this knowledge he formulates a plan to begin manipulating Cersei and Dany. He relays Dany's travel route and that Rhaegal is injured, thus making him an easier target. He can't exactly let Cersei and Euron know that the information came from him or else he won't be able to latch onto Jon if his plan comes to fruition. I make these assumptions not on what makes logical sense, but on what makes sense in accordance to the story we have been presented over the last two seasons.
actually this might be a real possibility! 😢
@Daniel Pereira I preferred to think it was sansa who is doing the betraying personally by her reaction to the news which she got very very quickly. Tbh varys was a bit useless this season so he probably had nothing to do with betrayal until he found out on that boat about Jon. Sansa is the traitor to everyone dany Jon her family the North etc. Her survival amd power gain is most important
If he just betrays someone every time they have a bad week, hes going to end up with only terrible options, very quickly.
Snake Was Right I agree he’s been too quick to write her off.
Agreed! Varys was all for the fire and blood until Dany brought the fire and blood!! Now she's crazy and needs to be taken down? Yea okay 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Dany has followed her advisors' advice every step of the way in spite of her misgivings/instincts. And THIS is the thanks she gets? She's been nothing but great to the duplicitous, lying Sansa, helped save her castle at great cost to her cause, and she gets this? Sansa needs to be hauled down to Dragonstone to answer for her conduct, as well. And Varys is no better...you rightly point out that she had a bad week, mainly due to following THEIR dumb advice and losing most of her army due to THEIR breathtaking incompetence, and he's ready to jump ship? God I hope she roasts him Sunday, I truly do, and I hope Littler Finger is standing right next to him.
Right? Objectively Danny has tons of reasons to be pissed off right now. Doesn't mean she's going to permanently go apeshit and kill all the fucking peasants.
@@Zilivat of the enemy not innocent citizens/defenseless people. He's looking for someone to do things differently. If she's willing to burn innocents, then that's no different from what Cersi would do.
"And ever since that day, I have hated magic, and all who practice it."
Lord Varys
Does Varys consider Dany and her dragons to be magic? Has he been spying for Cersei all along? Is that why Cersei has been a step ahead all along?
I’ve never thought of that ! 🤔 only thing is would you go to winterfell when the night king was there to spy ?
Well cersei and qyburn have ressurected the mountain from the dead and are using a zombie as a personal bodyguard. Also jon snow should be dead as well and is a ressurected undead charater as well so he should hate him
There are some holes in the theory for sure. I like the idea simply because it would partially explain why Tyrion has been outmaneuvered by Cersei ever since he landed at Dragonstone with Dany.
I’ve never considered Qyburn to be involved in magic. It’s not explicitly outlined but I’ve assumed that his work is unsavory in a more grounded way like a doctor who who embraces experimental testing on humans.
@@coreyhamby2989 To be fair, Jon didn't ask to be resurrected, how could Varys hate Jon for a situation out of his control?
Varys has on several occasions said that his service is to the Realm, not any one king or queen, his priorities being what he thinks is best for the kingdom & its people. If Daenerys is going to burn the people holding up in the Keep, then he almost has to try to stop her doing what she is planning to do. Since Cersei blew up her own people, she is unacceptable. But Jon is both the legitimate heir, & is treated by his people as the Second Coming, so helping him is the obvious choice. Jon also puts the people before all else, like him stopping the Night King from decimating the Kingdom instead of caring about a silly throne.
Hmmm...Varys supported Daenerys until he was told about Jon's parents. (He jumped right into Dany's inner sanctum Really quick too.) If he was never told, would he still be a Dany backer?! No Politician can be trusted, they tell themselves they are doing everything for the " Right" Reason....but, the Devil does too!
The only reason he didnt support jon is because he doesnt have a name, therfore the nobility wouldnt support him. But if jon had a name and it seems jon cares about the smallfolk to varys jon is exactly what the realm needs, dany was just the lesser of two evils
You could see vary's question Danny's actions while in winterfell, while he was watching her, I think Vary's was second guessing himself before he was told about John but, now had more reason to jump ship
Varys has known the truth for years.
Varys supported Dany because she HAD a claim to the throne, and wanted to do good things. Then Varys finds out she's not the rightful heir to the throne, that she's quick to anger and make bad decisions, and that chaos tends to follow her wherever she goes.
Then you look at Jon, who worked his way up from the bottom of the nobility, and people just naturally love him. If Varys is 'for the realm', he only has one choice, and it's not Daenerys.
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Varys: Don't kill innocent people and destroy the city. I know what it is to be one of the small folk. I lost my root and stem to maniacs.
Dany fans: *_Burn them ALL!_*
Not really. Dany applies some old testament eye for eye morality from time to time but this is when people have committed crimes. She doesn't even want to watch people kill each other in the fighting pits, this is why it is hard for me to buy into her going mad.
Her greatest sorrow was already Khal Drogo's death, neither Jorah, Missandei or the last third betrayal are worse.
@@Hirnlego999 A lot of characters on this show have had great sorrows and losses. There is this thing called genes and genetics. Her father was mad and her brother was insane. Not a stretch to imagine she's cray cray. She's definitely a tragic heroine, love her or not.
@@jdsthird Sure but a person does not normally just flip and go loco so quickly.
I maintain that the writing is poor, it can only be saved if GRRM has the same end and her decay is plausible and given a lot more time. If she is treated like Theon for instance, who became so submissive that he accepted a new name, new identity and everything whilst some if treated in similar fashion lose it go more more into the road of Joker. Anarchism, nothing really matters, chaos, suffering it's all OK, it's part of life. Then I could buy it if the tormented becomes more like the tormentor.
I don't think her brother was insane, it's like Saddam's kid. They are born into a certain lifestyle in which everything goes so they do it. This leads for them to have an overinflated ego but here again we see the difference with her as she was basically just a tool for her to become what he thought he was going to be. She was more submissive, and ultimately worked on her belief that she the chosen one which is not in any way odd if you survive a fire and three dragons hatch out of it.
Viserys is much more of a a psychopath then she has really ever demonstrated to the audience.
Viserys would not have given a bloody fuck about some slaves or some cunts killed for entertainment.
@@Hirnlego999 Dany has made some poor choices along the way as many characters have. Aegon certainly has his share of questionable decisions. I think Dany is being betrayed and in the end everyone will realize she was not the villain. She was doing the best she could. She will be remembered as someone who did mean well and her name will live on as an inspiration for those that come after her. She had a nice set up in Mereen on top of that pyramid where she was the absolute ruler. Westeros was a different animal than Essos. As long as the wheel is broken the end will have justified the means. Bittersweet indeed. You may be correct, a few more episodes showing the progression of her struggles might have helped her ardent fans understand where her character was heading in a particular direction. I've always viewed her with a keen eye so I noticed things in seasons 1, 2, and 3 that kept escalating and I've seen the slow progression where she currently is. It's there but it's mixed in with some good things she did so folks might only focus on one aspect and not the other or think she can do whatever she wants because she's not accountable to anyone. Her character is complex, layered, and nuanced which makes her interesting and she's a fan favorite that we have followed for such a long time. We've seen her almost as much as we've seen Sansa on the show.
@@Hirnlego999 Letting thousands of innocents die for someone else's crime is as far from "eye for eye morality" as it gets. It's as far from ANY morality as it gets.
7:46 "Varys is a politician and a manipulator of people. He will surely realize that if he just aproaches Jon and asks him to become king he would say no"" XDXD and what did we get.
Neither John nor Danny would make a great ruler by them self but together they would make the best kind because they'd make up for each other's weaknesses and they have too many individually for them to sit on the throne by them self
Hasan Wilson Well.....we have at least one smart person on the list! They balance one another out. Jon can change Danys mind and vice versa
That’s what bothered me about Varys’ comment on the boat when he and Tyrion were talking and Tyrion brought up the idea that they get married and rule side by side and Varys very pessimistically says “she’s not capable of sharing the throne” and that “she would bend him to her will” which I think is invalid and incorrect. And how quickly did the writers forget that when Dany was losing to Cersei in Season 7 and they were on Dragonstone, Daenerys followed Jon’s advice when he said more or less: if you burn innocent people, you aren’t different, you’re just like all the tyrants that came before. Jon suggests they arrive at Winterfell on horseback and not on the dragons and Dany takes his advice. I can see why Varys thinks Jon would be the better, more tempered ruler but there are fewer examples where Dany doesn’t take Jon’s advice, more often than not she does, which Varys should be aware of so it doesn’t make sense to me that he writes off marriage between the two.
Yes he will. He will tell everyone about Jon Snow
oh yeah that will prob be how he dies XD
No he will tell Jon and he will execute him.
And in the process she will kill Varys simply for telling the truth to all of Westeros and when she executes him on the heels of that basically the entire continent will turn on her immediately. Varys's last action will be outing Danaerys for having the weaker claim than Jon Snow's. And yes, he will die for it. That'll be the biggest mistake Dany ever makes though.
@@voteZDLR Nah if they wanted us to believe Daenerys was evil they wouldn't of made Varys say his goal was for her to die. Conspiracy to murder your queen is far from revealing the truth about a stronger claim.
@@CahzinarX What, you think after everything we've seen she's going to still manage to win this after all is said and done? "Conspiracy to murder your queen" she's not the Queen, she thinks she is and she keeps saying she is but if you think the people when they find out Jon's claim is even better are going to somehow still prefer her (when they don't even prefer her right now just anyway, idk maybe we're not watching the same show or something) besides Tywin Lannister said it best to Joffrey in like Season 3 or 4 "If you have to go around telling people you're the King, you're not actually the King"
Excellent video. The fandom is so toxic right now with the vile at the show and blaming the writers for having to come up with an ending because George Martin can't. So it's great to get a negativity free video.
@@calegrenillo-weaver4574 i think he is afraid to finish them. Because fans are so toxic. Nothing would satisfy bunch of spoiled, cunts. Even MArtin said, fans are going toooooo deep into theorys and plots. No wonder those "real fans" are angry and disappointed, and raging all over internet, like entitled brats
The fandom is not toxic. The fandom had its hope crushed and rightly so.
If you can enjoy these two flat and very bad seasons I'm happy for you. But so many arguments have been made and so many flaws and bad writing have been dissected thoroughly and with constructive criticism. The audience is unhappy for valid reasons and acting like it's the fandom that's ruining the show not the obvious bad writing is simply out of touch. Cheers
@@alexdrughi4673 you proved my point..
why does everyone believe jon will walk away from it all in the end?? he has never done that before. he has ALWAYS ended up ruling. reluctantly but he has ALWAYS ended up with power. besides this is the son of rhaegar targaryn we are talking about he is not goin to roam the great north.
Words mean nothing Actions do
Jon hv always said he dsnt want anything but always acted in ways that obliged him to be a leader
After defeating wildlings & uniting them with nights watch made him the lord cmmndr
Aftr defeating boltons & uniting the northern houses made him king in the north
As long he doesnt stop acting like a true king , merely saying i dnt want do as it never has
Season 1, Arya in the dungeons. Varys and Illyrio, is this all being forgotten now?
Poor writing?
[Edit] Personally I think it is good writing and the Golden Company will have a surprise and introduce Young Griff.
No. Varys was scheming (in the show) on behalf of Viserys then. Then Dany later on. And now Jon. He's as whimsical and inconsistent as ever...just happening faster now.
What's been forgotten? Varys schemes and betrays anyone. He wants a king he can control.
poor writing on a late season of game of thrones?
nooooooo
It's a TARGARYEN restoration plot, not a Danny restoration plot. Jon (Aegon) still fits this plan.
Bonz the only thing poor is your understanding of the show
Remember, Varys was talking to Oberyn in the throne room. He told Oberyn that he has seen what desires do to people and lack of desire leaves room for other things. Oberyn asked him what things, and Varys looked at the throne. What exactly he meant by that is anyone's guess but I think he does desire to sit the throne and he's just lying to everyone to cover. Someone has suggested that Varys keeps his head bald to hide his identity which is, he is Varys Blackfyre, an offshoot of House Targaryen.
Why r So Many ppl saying Varys will Betray Dani?
Why do u suppose he has been able to 'advise' so many Different rulers/leaders over the years?
Its bcuz hes Not in allegiance w/the person....he has Always said his allegiance is to The Realm....he has claimed That ever since Season1 when he told Ned, who was in the dungeon at the time, that his Priorities r w/the Realm & he was tryn to convince Ned to do the same in order to save his head. Every Season we heard him tell sumbody the same thing.....its the Realm, Always the Realm. So he Can't betray Dani cuz his allegiances were Never Really Dani's to begin with.....So Stop accusing him of Betrayal/Treason!!
The same goes or Sansa, she never bent the knee to Dani!!
Thank you
Because the last 2 episode plots has been leaked.
Yea!!!!! Wooooo!!!
Youre right! It was stupid of Dany to listen to Tyrion!
It a betrayal because Varys allowed/inferred/suggested that he was loyal to Dany. He clearly doesn’t believe she is fit to be Queen yet and still he’s still by her side pretending to be. If he were honest he would leave once his and Dany’s paths no longer went in the same direction. The betrayal is his staying while plotting her downfall.
Gary's has missed:1. trap of the dornish women by Euron at sea,2. creation of dragon killer weapons, 3. trap resulting in capture of missandre, 4. Movement of Golden Company to Westeros. If he's working for Danerys he sure helps Cirse alot. He also has had back and forth with red witch and the Lord of light which resulted in his neutering. He should also know about all the wild fire hidden under Kings Landing. He has his own agenda.
For Varys to betray Daenerys would mean that Varys was loyal to her in the first place.
Right from the start Varys made it clear to Daenerys where his loyalties lie and it was not to her.
If anything you could say that it's Daenerys who's betraying Varys.
Boom you got it v a r y s invokes the right of democracy and since that isn't around he does what he can
I don't trust him at all. He says his alliegiance is to the realm, yet in season 1, we saw that he was planning to overthrow the Baratheon rule and make Viserys the King. But Viserys had been unstable for years and Varys would have known that. So when did he build a moral conscious?
And if he wants to overthrow Dany because he thinks Jon will be more controllable, he should know better. Jon is very much like Ned, who mostly avoided Varys' manipulation back in season 1. Why would he think that Jon will be easier? Jon will always be driven by honour as well, and that will affect how controllable he is at court. That is, if he actually agrees to become King.
elle19ism I agree. This whole Varys thinks Jon will be a better ruler thing isn’t very well thought out so far. There’s also no reason for Varys to assume that if wed, Dany and Jon ruling side by side wouldn’t work. Dany took Jon’s advice a lot in season 7.
@@stregadisalem732 Exactly. There's so many ways his plan can go wrong, that I don't know why he's even seriously considering it.
The priority right now should be dethroning Cersei because she has proven without a doubt, that she has no problem with hurting civilians to get what she wants.
Dex4Sure Varys doesn’t understand that Jon is just like his father, Ned. Ned was killed for his incompetency and his unwillingness to play the game.
@Dex4Sure Rhaegal had nothing to do with the betrothal to Cersei. It was his father who refused the suggestion, and later married him to Elia Martell.
Rhaegar screwed up, when he - a married man - "kidnapped" a Lyanna, who was betrothed.
@Dex4Sure yeah, I agree with you on that part.
Jon had 3 parents that were notorious for going against what was expected of them, so it's within his nature and upbringing to be stubborn (for better or worse). We've already seen Jon act that way on multiple occasions. Varys should be wary of this too, so he shouldn't be confident that Jon can easily be manipulated.
The Starks were the ones that went against advise while Danaerys has been the one that embraced advice against her own better judgement, especially since last season when heeding the advice of Tyrion she lost most of her strategic allies
Dean Paddock I agree, Tyrion has failed her over and over again out of his remaining loyalties to his own house and his naive empathy for his sister. Daenerys has taken her advisors advice more than people give her credit for and the few times she doesn’t she’s labeled an impulsive tyrant. You can’t usurp a throne with diplomacy alone, you have to use some force and hopefully the violence does not bleed into the innocent. Daenerys asked Jon to keep it a secret and he told his sisters anyway and then Sansa was told to keep quiet and she spoke anyway, out of motivation for house Stark alone. So Daenerys was right, everyone knowing would sew the seeds of destruction. But oh Jon and his “honor”. He’s just like Ned but somehow I don’t think Jon will get killed for it. Daenerys might.
Thank the gods Robert, a video to keep me going until Sunday!!
What's driving him? Avoiding the prophecy as long as he can...
The opposite...he's working very hard to make it happen.
The person that fortold his death is a fraud, everything she predicted didn't come to pass. I laughed at the way they wrote her death, she chose to die in this foreign land...she could have just left and told the onion knight that she has one more thing to do. I'll laugh at Varys's death too cause he's working very hard to make it happen..and you have to happy when a person gets what they worked so hard for.
He's looking for a show with better writing
Bratkip definitely not testosterone. 🤣
Varys never played for dannerys. His loyalty has always been with the realm.
I hear people with knowledge of the leaked remaining episodes say we are all in for the biggest disappointment in recent entertainment history. I will still miss it for what it once was and could have been.
About the tongue cutting...GRRM in a Q&A suggested it wasn't him that was doing it, but whoever was providing him his "little birds" was
How the hell could they tell him any information? Or did Varys teach those lovable, tongueless rascals to write? Probably the latter.
@@chrisyoung5254 Probably charades....
A simple marriage would make a happily ever after, but nooooo we can't have that,
Jason Notter And they haven’t provided a proper plot obstacle for a marriage except Varys “doesn’t think they would be a good fit to rule side by side” and “Daenerys is incapable of sharing the throne”. She actually listens to Jon the most now.
@@stregadisalem732 Dany won't share the throne. She's way too proud and arrogant for that.
"If you think this has a happy ending then you haven't been paying attention." - Ramsey Bolton.
All the things you just described here are the reasons why, "The Last Starks" was my favorite episode since Season 6. Can't wait to see how it all ends
Tyrion was also part if the small counsel at some point
"Great survivor" eh?
Davos: hold my beer...
So... the new small council...
Tyrion - Hand of the Queen
Yara - Master of Ships
Varys - Permanent Undersecretary of State for foreign affairs and head of the Westerosi Intelligence Agency (WIA)
I appreciate your reference to Varys thinking he's right when, in fact he is part of the problem. Folks often think he knows best because he's on the side of the realm but he clearly isn't on the side of democracy. He just wants the GOTs played his way.
Was looking for something to listen to, perfecto
Once again a fantastic analysis! By far the most thoughtful and erudite video put forth this week in relation to GOT S8E4!
It's not a question really if he'll betray her, or if he'll be killed. Both are about as inevitable as Cleagane-bowl(Yes, is the answer to all 3).
The real question is how he'll betray her, and how well he'll succeed at it before being killed by dragon fire.
My bet, is he'll forge and "find" evidence of R+L=J, and share it with the realm's lords. Dany realizing his betrayal, metaphorically, or literally right as the ravens leave. And when she roasts him alive, Tyrion's loyalty will end too.
I think aTyrion will try and convince her not to kill him in such a brutal way, but to keep him a prisoner and spare his life. She won't not listen and is gonna brutally burn him alive making Tyrion lose faith in her
Fair enough. But if Jon was king and Varys betrayed him, Jon would hang or behead him, so what's the difference? If you were king or queen you would do the same. I would have killed him back on dragonstone when she pardoned him; her gut was right. She's going to die so in the end it doesn't matter. Varys is on borrowed time anyway. If Cersei dies, Daenerys dies, Jon turns down the throne, then Gendry is next in line. I love Gendry but I wouldn't want him to be king. They need a new system. Cause all these people suck as a ruler!!
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There is two big differences. One, Jon would likely not execute Varys if his treason was the Westeros equivalent of Wikileaking R+L=J. Danny would, and most likely will kill him for that reason. The second difference is Jon will execute him cleanly. He'll kill him via his own hands by hanging or beheading. Danny will kill him via Dragon fire, and enjoy it like she did with the Slave masters.
Varys really already covered why Jon is better. He's far, far more tempered. He keeps his emotions in check. Danny is ruled by her emotions in contrast.
Or as fans have put it, Danny is a conqueror, but Jon is a ruler/builder. Westeros doe not need a conqueror as a ruler after a massive civil war and zombie apocalypse. It needs a ruler to rebuild.
@@TheNinjaDC I'm on the same page with most of that but Varys is talking treason. Jon pointed that out when Sam told him about his parents and Tyrion pointed it out when Varys and he were talking. Varys is most likely going to be executed for treason (or get Tyrion executed). Jon knows how to swing a sword, Dany uses dragon fire instead of a sword... my point is there is no difference between the sword and the dragon fire and your point is that there is a difference. We'll need to agree to disagree on that point.
The only way anything Varys does makes sense is if you assume that in the books, his objective was to put House Blackfyre on the throne, and in the show his objective was to install a puppet leader through whom he could rule.
He did have an interesting conversation with the Red Viper in the throne room. He looked at the throne when asked what he desires since he's absent of the desires that drive others. Perhaps friends here can help me understand what that was all about if I'm wrong in my interpretation. Hiding a desire for the throne himself?
A desire to destroy the monarchy?
An "absent" desire
As we get introduced to him and Littlefinger in the throne room of Kings Landing back in S02 they bouth apparently seem very interested in power. But none of them had luck with there heritage.
i totally forgot about poor Edmure. Hopefully someone remembered to let him out of the dungeon after Arya's potluck.
He is coming back he is cast on season 8
He will turn the golden company, when they find out about jon.
No this is a good idea and should be pursued in the books but the TV show needs a fight for the Spectacle this is in keeping with what we have seen so far
I love your videos! Finally a game of thrones channel that makes sense and isn't some crazy theory. Glad I found your channel for the final season!
He already said that he was going to betray her. The hilarious thing about Varys is that the only person he was ever truly loyal to was The Mad King but he betrays everyone else.
He wasn't loyal to the Mad King either, he whispered conspiracies against the king, fueling his paranoia, and at the end he switched sides, it was all so the Mad King make poorer choices imo
@Dragon50275 he also helped the Mad Kings paranoia, in the booms Stannis even said that Aerys got worse once he hired the Spider
Dragon50275 Yeah, Varys told Aerys that his son, Rhaegar, who we are led to believe was like his son, and would have made a great king, that he was planning a council to depose him, and he’s serving the realm? How does keeping a madman on a throne his son was much better suited to sit, serve the realm?
He thought Dany was the rightful ruler. Now he knows she isn't he wants to rightful King. That's not betrayal.
@@jat3916 EXACTLY!!!! Varys is trash.
Let's not forget that one of Jon's mentors once walked away from the throne. Aegon Targaryen. One could also say that Ned could have taken the throne, even Jamie Lannister said as much
Daenerys will end up executing Varys burning him with Drogon.
I think they're just making the connection with Varys' book plot. Him backing another. He did tell Dany that if she ever was getting out if control in his eyes he would say something to her face. He doesn't have to deal with the same sexual impulses other characters do. He has no loyalty to anyone physically. No familial ties. I think he truly does care for the good of the realm. You're right Robert, he is one of the last of a dying generation. What if they made Winterfell the capital?
Dany said she would burn 10s of thousands of innocents to get the Iron Throne. I don't blame Varys
To be frank, HBO should have bought the rights to some of the well thought out, excellent and surprising ideas put forth by various fans.
No question Jon would be the best ruler. Dany is just power hungry. Sam was right. Jon gave up his crown to save the north, would she do the same for the relm? No. For the relm it should be jon.
I think Varys's reaction is consistent with his stance from the beginning, he aims to protect and represent the people. This very thing is what the Queen was - above all others - supposed to have done, especially *this Queen* given the image that she has built for herself. At this point, she seems determined to become everything she fought to overturn.
Yes, Varys will quite probably die, but his attitude of serving the people regardless of what danger he puts himself in, and especially *now* when the war is almost won (and he has a good chance to secure a peaceful dream-like job for life) is nothing short of admirable, in my view.
If anything, this is the prototypical politician, even if only in theory or... fiction.
Varys does indeed have the truest of motives to put a benevolent ruler on the throne and, despite his doubts, until recently that person was Daenarys. However, if he betrays her now, he risks not just his life but also Cersei winning the war. The battle of Winterfell evened the odds and Dany only has a single dragon left but Jon remains loyal to her, so together they still have a chance to defeat Cersei. Once she's out of the way they can worry about who sits on the Iron Throne.
Varys knows all this, so if he decides to betray her now, instead of waiting until Cersei is defeated, it will feel contrived, as if the show writers are trying to create drama via conflict when there isn't any justification for it. We've already see them do this in S7 when they tried to mislead viewers with a nonsensical falling out between Sansa and Arya which turned out to be misdirection so they could introduce a plot twist where Littlefinger is executed. That particular story arc has been justifiably criticised for being poorly written, unnecessary and a lazy way to dispose of the greatest schemer and player of the game, so if they do the same thing with Varys I don't think it will be received well.
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Did you forget how Varys wanted Viserys to be king? How is that good for the realm?
Poor Spider Varys, last thing he heard was "Dracarys."
Hmm...In addition they combined Jon & Young griff from the book...who we learn Varys had been a supporter of from the beginning
Varys has shown himself to be a person who tells half-truths which is worse than lying because he's actively keeping the whole truth from being known
I always felt that him and littlefinger are/where the most dangerous men in the show. Don't know about the books because I haven't read them yet. I will after the show is over
because you think you have understood the truth after it being told in full lies its easier to orient yourself trough the holes in the lie and search for the truth the full truth
@iM HaZY cause you don't know what part is true. The best lies are closest to the truth, cause the small lie part is harder to sus out. If it were bigger lies, then you would know that whatever you are told, the opposite is true, but this cannot be done with half truths.
@@Xero-th6bh they certainly WERE up until season 5 or so. Fuck these writers they had no idea what to do with the best characters, their plot, narrative, and motives were too complex or intellectual for them to be able to work with faithfully.
@iM HaZY
you did not learn a fucking thing growing up did you?
“The big fish eat the little fish and I just keep paddling...”part of Varys’ response when Tyrion threatens to throw him in the sea after their first meeting with Shae. Varys is like a cockroach..he’ll be the the only one left standing come a nuclear apocalypse.
Will Varys betray Daenerys?
YES!!!!
"If he's about to change allegiances again, we have to ask why"
It's really not that complicated, Varys has always done whatever he does because he wants what is best for the realm. He doesn't care who rules Westeros, he just wants it to be a good ruler for a change. Someone benevolent, who will look out for the interests of the people and of peace. And more and more he's beginning to realize that person isn't Danaerys, more and more he's beginning to look at Jon and how all the people of Westeros just gravitate to him. Where Dany goes declaring "I'm your rightful Queen" everywhere she goes, the people are telling Jon Snow himself that HE is the rightful King. Tywin once told Joffrey that "any man who has to say 'I am the King' is no true King." Jon deserves it more, it has nothing to do with loyalty to her, it has to do with loyalty to Westeros. He will do what's right for the realm, but he will lose his life in the process I am afraid cause Dany is precisely the kind of ruler that Varys fears she is.
He wants what is best for the realm but from the first epinside season 1 he was trying to plot to put a crazy weak irrational lunatic on the throne (Viserys) I know everyone seems to forget thare what Varys' original plan was but can we take a second to think how exactly that was gonna be good for the realm? If he had taken the throne he would have tried to wipe out house lannister stark baratheon and any other houses that supported Robert during the rebellion (the usurpers dogs)
@@aaronkaczmarek5032 As he discovers they're lunatics they are gotten rid of pretty quick. BTW he was still loyal to Robert at that point anyway, if anything he was working with Jorah to try to send a faceless man to kill her and her brother both, before finding out that Khal Drogo got rid of Viserys instead. For being an idiot, no less. But that wasn't Varys doing, Varys didn't switch to Team Targaryen until like Season 5. So I don't think you're right about that, Varys has backed a few bad horses in the past but he always switches for a better one and will continue doing so until he finds a ruler that is satisfactory to him. Jon appears to be that ruler. For everyone else though he just tries to survive them if they're evil and he'll cross his fingers and hope for the best with each one but the problem is every single person who actively tries to get the throne would be bad for it, apparently. That's why Jon deserves it the most, on top of everything else he deserves the power because he doesn't even want it to begin with. Anyway you're wrong about Varys and Viserys, he wasn't working with them but he did know Master Illyrio from his Essos days. Master Illyrio was the one who was helping them. He's been missing since Season 1 though.
@@voteZDLR didn't switch to team targaryen till season t have you watched the show? Or read the books in season 1 he was plotting with illyrio mopatis to bring about a targaryen restoration with viserys as king ... you seem to have missed the scene where illyrio and varys were I the dungeons discussing it... and in season 7 dany clearly confronts varys about trying to sit her brother viserys on the throne and about how bad a ruler he would have been and varys admits he didn't know anything about dany until her marriage to Khal Drogo
@@aaronkaczmarek5032 He was plotting with Illyrio to have the best candidate be on the throne, it wasn't just Viserys it ultimately became Dany and he also entertained the idea of Young Griff etc, he goes to who he thinks the best candidate is, and will switch only if he begins to think they're not actually suited enough and/or thre is someone better. He's also the master of whisperers who was responsible for sending Jorah on an intelligence mission in Robert's name to keep an eye on Viserys, then Dany, and ultimately was part of the equation that sent the faceless men there but he may have also orchestrated Barristan Selmy to be there to save her at the same time. My point is, yes he's supported the idea anyway of several people getting the Iron Throne but now that in the show AND the books most of them are dead or otherwise removed from candidacy, he's still actively thinking about who it could be it's just that now he's beginning to think Jon (show only for obvious reasons so far) but OVERALL his motivations aren't to support one person with absolute loyalty, his loyalty is to the realm ONLY. That's never changed. HE just wants the BEST solution for the REALM. Period. Even if for like two minutes it was Viserys, come on dude he was just but one contender in Varys's mind, one of many.
@@voteZDLR ok we shall see, his idea of what's good for the realm is to tear it apart in civil war. He killed Kevan lannisters because he had done too good a job healing the realm with tommen as king, because at that point he was gonna put faegon on the throne, would ot not have been better for the people to have a benevolent ruler with good advisors? No let's get thousands of innocents killed because he's decided he doesn't like who is on the throne. He's not even from westeros so who is he to decide who's right for the realm? And now in season 8 he is gonna turn to support Jon because he believe cersei should be left on the throne till she just skips along and bends the knee.... again he thinks rhe city shouldn't be starved or attacked how is that good for the rest of westeros? That only looks for the interest of those in kingslanding as the rest will suffer as the war drags... how does he think they will win if they don't starve the city out or directly attack it... He needs to go back to essos Eddie and fix the problems HIS own people are facing instead of fixing the problems in a foreign country and believing he has rhe ultimate say so on who should be king/queen and if anybody goes against what he believes they are wrong , planning to kill a Queen coz he doesn't feelshes right pfft he doesn't need to stay in westeros
There is zero depth to this story and its characters anymore.
And the worst part is they're trying to shove in fake depth, which is even worse than just one dimensional characters
“Searing inevitability?” More like simplistic, obvious foreshadowing of something we weren’t expecting. But now we are?
You know what?
NOTHING!!!!..... Nothing will happen now just plain 2 episodes of defeating Cersei and shit. There is noth' deeper meaning going on now and U know what? It is us who theorize and make GOT sound smart now........
Agree completely. Had so many theory discussions with people leading into this season and maybe up till the night king was defeated then it was like ok what now. Then they want to try and go old school GOT with only 3 episodes and one probably being taken up by a battle. Way too rushed and shitty planning. There will probably be something they consider shocking without the buildup of past seasons
What about the possibility that Varys sees that Cerci is now in a stronger position and that there is no means of a quick and decisive victory against her?
A long protracted siege/war would only see the burden and costs passed down to the people. Maybe he realizes that now is no longer the opportune time to try and usurp Cerci, and the most efficient way to snuff out Dany's forces is to fracture them with an internal dispute over whether Dany or Jon should ultimately rule.
It makes sense, but would cersei really make a better realm in the longrun or would it protract the suffering further? Or would a gamble here and now in hopes of ousting Cersei for a chance at a better realm what varys is shooting for, actually half way through this comment i realized the writers and producers dont really care about GoT anymore so we should probably view this as half boiled fan fic rather than the source story.
It makes sense because he doesn't think there should be a siege either "the people deserve food to feed their children" so I'm not sure how he would actually expect to win if they allowed cersei food and didn't attack shed just sit there till one of them died lol
Dany is going to BE a dragon. Varys better watch out. Stone dragons require blood magic, and Varys is going to very warm soon... Like Miri Mas Dur.
I want that stone dragon sooooo bad!!
dany dosent deserve to rule
@@issbiss11 Oh man. I keep seeing Euron looking in the sky. I know he is looking at Drogo, but....
My view of Varys and his overall character development was that of a contemplative. His concern with the greater good of the realm and his abilities to discern the qualities of one who would have capacity’s of a promising ruler added to my initial view. Yet in truth his archetypal character was an almost exact carbon copy of Petyr Baelish. Just contrasting motives. Varys is a sneaky and surreptitious figure. His clandestine ways along with a deployment of little bird eyes on the back of his metaphorical head made him one of the most intriguing characters in all of Westeros. The unraveling of this season’s plot and of last seasons foreshadowing seem to make his demise inevitable.
he already betrayed her... how do you think Euron knew where to hide his ships to ambush them?
It’s called moving along the story 😂 But I’m sure Cersei had scouts to see if the North was successful in killing the Night King, and to see when they were heading down south. You’d think Dany would do the same as well, to see what they were up against at Kingslanding, but... 🤷🏻♀️
Any old idiot could figure that out. It doesn't take a spy master.
Euron was behind Dragonstone not hard to guess Dany and Dragons would be going there to organise the assault on Kings Landing.
@@h347h don't think you realize that days pass by on the show. Knowing when and with how many ships would be vital. Euron could've been waiting there days only to find out dany sailed up with 50 ships and he would've been killed. They knew.
@@kendonato1887 Look dude you are reading too much into it and I've read the leaks. So...
I wish to point out one crucial flaw in Varys's reasoning. When Tyrion suggested that Jon and Dany together could rule, Varys pointed out that (1) Jon was not used to the idea of an incestuous marriage, and (2) Jon would allow Dany to make the decisions. It is the second reason that shows a flaw in Varys's criteria for what makes a good ruler. According to him, Dany will not listen to her advisors (which is not true), and she will not listen to Jon. Therefore, because she can't be CONTROLLED (aka-controlled by Varys), she is therefore unfit to rule. Think about it. Every single time that Varys has turned away from a ruler was, in part, because each ruler would not always listen to Varys (aka-Varys couldn't control them). While there were legitimate reasons why he left some of them (the Mad King, Joffrey), his problem with Tommen was not because he was cruel, but because he was weak because he was controlled by his wife, Margery (and thus, apparently, unfit to rule.)
I do not doubt the sincerity of Varys's aims, but his views are wrong in the sense that he evaluates rulers in part on whether they listen to him or not. This is erroneous on his part, as well as selfish.
I also respectfully disagree with you about Varys's plan. While he will work behind the scenes to make Jon king, he will also try to plot to kill Dany. He has to, because he knows that Dany has a dragon that she will use if anyone tries to threaten her. Also, if he moves too quickly and makes Jon king, he knows that Jon may marry Dany to make things right and make her queen. This would mean (in Varys's eyes, at least), that Dany would control the kingdom through Jon. Therefore, Dany must die before Jon is made king. For this reason, someone will betray his plot.
He says Snow isn’t strong enough to handle Dani, but how can he be a king then if he is so weak.
I think he meant weak in regards to Dany specifically, whom the show tries to tell us he's in love with. He wasn't a weak person when he stood up to the nights watch and did what he thought was right by retrieving the free folk from Hardhome. Though the writers may have decided to change that because the plot demands it...
Robhuzz A king is not a warrior. He will have to deal with politics.
It seems that Dany will either have to die or be left to her throne. She doesn’t seem to want to share power and will not yield power to Jon/Aegon. The bittersweet may be Jon channeling Rhett Butler: “frankly my dear, I’m fucking off up North to hang out with my peeps up In Hardhome. My dire wolf misses me.”
They should have killed him and spared little finger
Lord Baelish was more cunning and mysterious than Varys
IF anything
you forgot the foreshadowing conversation Vareys had with the Red woman atop the cliff tops "we are both destined to die in Westeros"
He promised Dannie he would speak the truth to her if he felt her actions were going against the best wishes of the people. We can believe he is going to do just that. It is here where Dannie will burn him alive, causing Tyrion to say enough and support Jon as king. Dannie will be killed off somehow, Jon will make Tyrion KING because he is the only person other than Jon that does not want the job
Varys is going to get clapped by the mad queen 805
We have two mad queens at this point. But this whole treason thing, Dany's not taken the throne so treason is only a concept
@@esmenouvelle9439 Daenerys isn't a mad queen though. It's a phycological effect where you look for parents traits in the child even to the point of imagining it. Daenerys hasn't been shown to be any more ruthless than any other monarch.
@@CahzinarX No, it's that effect that happens when someone falls gradually into madness and tyranny and people who knew her back when she was younger and powerless can't adjust. And if you're going to attempt to sound more knowledgeable than others then it really helps the effect to spell the big words right.
People throw around the whole mad word to Daenerys just because of her history, so much that the word just lost its meaning.
So cersei is gonna get her hands on him then...
Two things: 1. I think Varys does care about the realm, but I also think he wouldn't mind running it himself as he told Oberyn Martell. 2. Do you think Varys is going to try to turn the Golden Company's allegiance to Jon as Rhaegar Targaryen's son, Aegon? That would be a way to force Jon to take the throne and minimize the bloodshed. I see Jon accepting the throne with Dany by his side and Drogon either melting the iron throne or Varys and living happily ever after in HIgh Garden until the great Other comes for their child the prince that was promised.
I've seen no indication that Jon wants the throne or would take it. I also feel that Varys is after his interests first and he's been called out on this.
Jon doesn't want it, but if there's no other person in line to take it or if the people are screaming and insisting that he take it only then would he take it. Not for himself, for THEM, the people he serves. This puts him in direct contrast with Danaerys who basically like the Mad King said "they don't have to like me, but they will respect me, for I am their rightful Queen". That's precisely why she'd be worse than Jon in a single sentence that was uttered by her. I do think Varys will die screaming that Jon's claim is better than hers once Tyrion tells her that Varys is planning on supporting Jon instead, and to Tyrion's shock I think she'll order his immediate execution, which will cause Tyrion to switch sides as well most likely. If she does something too crazy Jon might actually be put in a position where he has to kill her himself, it's either that or she's going to end up doing something foolish in her anger that gets her killed somehow or another just anyway.
I would not be surprised if Varys reveals he's an Tau in the last episode
Remember I did nothing to deserve this I haven't burned any cities telegram I have done nothing unjust! He will get what he deserves ! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🐲
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