Thanks for adding some clarity on the book of Job. After reading all 42 chapters, I must admit I was confused reading it. Thanks again for all your insight and inspiration on those chapters.
Perfect does not mean sinless in the scriptures. Noah, Job and in the D&C we read Seth was perfect. Since the D&C comes (mainly) from Joseph Smith, there is no translation boo boos. Elder Russell M. Nelson explained this word in his October 1995 talk. The word "perfect" was from the Greek, teleios. Basically meaning, 'over the long distance (of life) to become complete or what we were meant to become'. Those that have been in the temple will understand it this way, everything was made to fill the measures of its creation. Once you fill the measure of your creation, you are perfect... not sinless. None of us have the same measure. Abraham's measure has an entire covenant attached to his faithfulness. Everyone with more than one child knows they have different "measures" or potentials. We are angry when a child that can clearly get straight A's squanders that potential, but a sibling who is a solid B student, well, we rejoice in their A's. We are all supposed to become perfect in this lifetime (not sinless). It simply means to fill the measure of your creation. Those that do are like Jesus, because he filled the measure of his creation. Now here is the kicker... Jesus was the only one who was sinless but could not be perfect in his mortal life. You see he had to fill the measure of his creation by dieing on the cross for us, and then he had to make resurrection happen. Therefore, his measure was completed only after the tomb. Which is why he says to us in the BOM (after his resurrection) to be perfect even as he AND his father in heaven are perfect. In the new Testament... he did not include himself because he did not yet "fill the measure" of his creation. Thus, he was the only sinless being, but the only one of us that could not be perfect in mortality... not until he finished the atonement. First, Gethsemane, then sacrifice on the cross, then the resurrection. No one else had that infinite measure. "Perfect" (in the Greek scripture) merely means filling the "measure of your creation". And it usually takes a long time... teleios. Go back and check out now President Nelson's October 1995 talk. That guy is always studying. Even now at 97 he studies with Hebrew instructors. Let God prevail.
I want to thank you for pointing out Job really did gain double the number of children, when you consider that he will always have the children with him even after death. I’ve listened to a number of CFM lessons on Job, and yours is the only one to say that (still have 2 more to go, yes I listen to about 10 hours of CFM every week - and *always* enjoy yours!!)
Thank you for all your hard work, particularly for all the wonderful quotes. I really appreciate the wisdom they supply. You expressed the theme of Job's unyielding testimony well, (I think). I wonder though if it wouldn't be appropriate to cut Job's wife a little slack considering she lost her children as well? I do not say her comment to Job was honorable (it wasn't) only that she possibly wasn't thinking at all clearly. As it can be assumed she mothered the rest of Job's twenty children, the Lord must have forgiven her so I think we should not condemn her too soundly either. I am glad you emphasized that life goes on after death. The servants and children who lost their lives prematurely were not simply pawns to prove Job's worthiness or help illustrate the strength of his testimony in the Lord. They would matter equally to God. And as you point out, this is not really an actual, fact-substantiated story. It is a poetic writing meant to illustrate great faith. As such, it teaches us good and useful lessons both on how to deal with suffering of our own and how not to crucify with false assumptions others who are suffering.
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your work. It is helping my family with their testimonies so much!
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Thanks for adding some clarity on the book of Job. After reading all 42 chapters, I must admit I was confused reading it. Thanks again for all your insight and inspiration on those chapters.
Thank you you guys are so awesome, I love hearing your wonderful lessons each week!
Awesome as always. Sincere thanks to all involved
Thank you for the purity of your presentation. Your work and cheery presentation help me so much.
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This discussion was so helpful. I feel much better prepared to read this week., Thank you
Perfect does not mean sinless in the scriptures. Noah, Job and in the D&C we read Seth was perfect. Since the D&C comes (mainly) from Joseph Smith, there is no translation boo boos. Elder Russell M. Nelson explained this word in his October 1995 talk. The word "perfect" was from the Greek, teleios. Basically meaning, 'over the long distance (of life) to become complete or what we were meant to become'. Those that have been in the temple will understand it this way, everything was made to fill the measures of its creation. Once you fill the measure of your creation, you are perfect... not sinless. None of us have the same measure. Abraham's measure has an entire covenant attached to his faithfulness. Everyone with more than one child knows they have different "measures" or potentials. We are angry when a child that can clearly get straight A's squanders that potential, but a sibling who is a solid B student, well, we rejoice in their A's. We are all supposed to become perfect in this lifetime (not sinless). It simply means to fill the measure of your creation. Those that do are like Jesus, because he filled the measure of his creation. Now here is the kicker... Jesus was the only one who was sinless but could not be perfect in his mortal life. You see he had to fill the measure of his creation by dieing on the cross for us, and then he had to make resurrection happen. Therefore, his measure was completed only after the tomb. Which is why he says to us in the BOM (after his resurrection) to be perfect even as he AND his father in heaven are perfect. In the new Testament... he did not include himself because he did not yet "fill the measure" of his creation. Thus, he was the only sinless being, but the only one of us that could not be perfect in mortality... not until he finished the atonement. First, Gethsemane, then sacrifice on the cross, then the resurrection. No one else had that infinite measure. "Perfect" (in the Greek scripture) merely means filling the "measure of your creation". And it usually takes a long time... teleios. Go back and check out now President Nelson's October 1995 talk. That guy is always studying. Even now at 97 he studies with Hebrew instructors. Let God prevail.
I want to thank you for pointing out Job really did gain double the number of children, when you consider that he will always have the children with him even after death. I’ve listened to a number of CFM lessons on Job, and yours is the only one to say that (still have 2 more to go, yes I listen to about 10 hours of CFM every week - and *always* enjoy yours!!)
Did you say you would include the link to Handel's messiah?
ua-cam.com/video/B3uvJHxJ1Hg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MormonTabernacleChoir-Topic
^I think this is what they were referencing, but Im not positive.
Whoops! Yes! It's there now: ua-cam.com/video/B3uvJHxJ1Hg/v-deo.html
Thank you again for a beautiful lesson! Sure wish I could be a. It more like Job!❤️🇨🇦
Where can I find your book of Other Heros of the Book of Mormon? THANK YOU for your wonderful lessons here on Scripture Gems!
So enjoyed your presentation. I learn so much from you both. You were going to put in the link to Handel's Messiah?
Whoops! Yes! It's there now: ua-cam.com/video/B3uvJHxJ1Hg/v-deo.html
Thank you for all your hard work, particularly for all the wonderful quotes. I really appreciate the wisdom they supply. You expressed the theme of Job's unyielding testimony well, (I think). I wonder though if it wouldn't be appropriate to cut Job's wife a little slack considering she lost her children as well? I do not say her comment to Job was honorable (it wasn't) only that she possibly wasn't thinking at all clearly. As it can be assumed she mothered the rest of Job's twenty children, the Lord must have forgiven her so I think we should not condemn her too soundly either. I am glad you emphasized that life goes on after death. The servants and children who lost their lives prematurely were not simply pawns to prove Job's worthiness or help illustrate the strength of his testimony in the Lord. They would matter equally to God. And as you point out, this is not really an actual, fact-substantiated story. It is a poetic writing meant to illustrate great faith. As such, it teaches us good and useful lessons both on how to deal with suffering of our own and how not to crucify with false assumptions others who are suffering.