Russian Poncho Tent + Plash Palatka Canvas Tarp Shelter
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- A look at using a single Plash Palatka Poncho Tent as a one man shelter in the style recommended by the Soviet military. It is quick and easy to setup, low profile and relatively warm, as it traps body heat at rear of the shelter.
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The one man stealth shelter. Good stuff. Imagine connecting 10 together, you could make a HQ. Thanks for the video
thank you! I have done up to 4. 3 make a really nice tepee like shelter. I prefer it to the Polish lavvu
Thanks for keeping these short and to the point, Jess. Informative and interesting. I don't always want a half hour episode discussing history, theory, alternatives that a lot of other channels will give me.
can´t wait to see the new Russian Plash Palatka. i´m also 6"2 so i hope it will be a good alternative for taller guys like us.
thanks Peter! I think it is gonna be good. Its still a pretty minimal type shelter, but I can see some ideas to try with it. The camo it uses, EMR is pretty cool.
Will still be a tight, the Ratnik in its official shelter configuration offers about 6ft of sleeping space between the poles. Of course you could do a double pole in one end to make more room, but I have not tried that with mine yet. Unless you intend to use it with the poles set in their designated 6ft spot as a lean to or a frame you might as well buy a regular tarp.
Being new to outdoors makes a video like this perfect to try where I have little access to land to test gear. Thank you so much.
This is a great setup. I use my space blanket also a floor, but the extra that is hanging out can be used to close off the front of the shelter by just leaning it against the stick from the inside. I definitely helps to capture the heat. Love the idea to raise the backend up. Keep up the great videos.
Thank you, Mark! Great idea on the space blanket at the entrance.
For your viewers I'll mention that I noticed that you used what is called the "Plumbers Vice" when you clamped the wood stick in your legs so you could cut it to length for the shelter. Thanks for another video.
yes indeed! good safe way to cut in the woods
Put Bungie cords on each corner and you have a good set up!!
very cool. Almost like a Bivy :) Being so low would be a definite advantage in windy conditions. Im going to try this with my Danish Military poncho next time I go out. Thanks for all the great shelter videos :) Skol
Thanks brother. That was my thoughts also, like a one man bivy tent. Pretty warm too. Cheers
Very interested to see the old plash compared with the RATNIK shelter!
Looks awesome! I love everything about that set-up, except for having to get up and pee, half asleep!
thanks! Yeah, I know what you mean lol
The Soviet military staff that wrote the manual probably wanted a shelter that was low profile, so bivouacking soldiers would not be easy to spot, also troops at rest are generally trained to dig fighting positions right away, so setting up that shelter over top even a small foxhole would make it considerably roomier. Thankfully, backpackers don't (usually) need to stay hidden, so we can use the more effective lean-to or plowpoint setups.
Excellent. My thoughts as well on the low profile aspect. The heat retention was quite remarkable honestly. I could see that being a point of interest for the design as well. Good call on the fox hole as well. I actually edited out talking about digging out the shelter to make more room. Figured I would save it for another day. Thanks for watching.
@@EnduranceRoom I was just going to mention that. I had seen a drawing where they put a square foxhole underneath the poncho, staked it out completely flat over it, with a small peak over a "ramp" leading out. That would put the sleeping area below ground and remove the visible profile, but I imagine it would not be great when it rains.
Haven't had a chance yet to try out that configuration with my own, just got it.
@@jorgamund07 Nice! Enjoy the palatka. Lars from Survival Russia did a similar setup using a British Basha. He dug out an area to setup his sleeping mat and then a catch basin for rain below it, which was then covered over with poles. It was pretty neat.
@@EnduranceRoom Cool, I'll have to check that out. Lots of rain around here, so that's one of the first things I think about when I see foxhole configurations.
@@EnduranceRoom a catch basin sounds like a great idea to prevent a foxhole from becoming an in ground swimming pool. Ill have to check out that vid!
YOu have two palatkas so you could test a setup I'm planning to use with a bit cheaper eastern Germany ponchos. They are 200 grams lighter but it's the same thing. So. Stich together two sides - these will be the ground so pin them down. Then put the other two sides together into the air forming a top (from the back where the legs will be.) Use a center pole or a ridge line. In the front on the ground you now fold each piece in half, you put two sticks into the ground and rise the halves to the top. Now you'll have a three sided pyramid with enough space to sit and sleep straight.
I've made a paper model and it seems good to go. The ultimate tent. Add a diy tent stove with a chimney and we'll have a four season shelter
Nice, I have done a 3 sided pyramid with 3, but not with 2. Those east german ponchos are cool. All the east german stuff I have seen has been very well made.
Very cool my friend 🤠 hope all is well with you and your lovely lady!
thanks Herb! We are doing good. Pizza and a movie tonight. Have good one!
Nice demo .. thanks.
Compared with the Western Allies, the Russian Ivan appeared to have an extremely basic personal kit issue.
However he made do with what he had .. a tribute to his toughness and resilience.
Am looking forward to the new PP Demo 👍 .. take care ..
thank you. Well said. Very basic kit, but efficient and effective. The length of service that their gear remained in service, relatively unchanged supports this. I am friends with a few Russians, and they are each very strong people. Strength seems to be encouraged in their culture still today.
@@EnduranceRoom 👍
It was made to work, why else is Soviet gear still used by many nations today?
The Russian Manual shows your front Stake as 65 cm. (~25") high; with the Tarp being 180 x 180 cm. (~71" x ~71") square.
Hay Jess, Love your Soviet tents and clothing systems so cool. Keep doing videos Please. Just on this system it looks like its for a hobbit.
Thanks Drew. Appreciate it. Yeah, definitely hobbit size. 7x7 would be perfect.
I liked the trick to expand the space, simple, easy and useful. I'm curious to see what you do with the new tarp, although I don't see many differences with the British basha
thank you! It does seem to be pretty similar to the basha, perhaps slightly different dimensions. Will follow up on it shortly.
Greetings from Portugal, nice video!
thank you, Carlos! cheers
Thanks for the video. The single plash palatka would work in a pinch. Very interested to see the ratnik shelter. It would be nice it it were just a little bigger than the palatka.
thanks, Jason. My thoughts too, work in a pinch. I think it is about 6x8, maybe 6x9. Looks like a rubberized ripstop type material. Will follow up on it soon.
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thank you brother, appreciate it.
Great video, dude! I also love it, although I prefer the polish Lavvu! Where can I receive this new Plash Palatka you showed in the picture? Cheers, Rich
thanks, Rich! Right on! The Polish one is really good too. I get them from Russian Cold Camo. The camouflage one I have is Czech. Ebay is probably best bet for those. I saw one last year there.
@@EnduranceRoom Thanks a lot, mate!
Hey Jess, great video. I like my plash palatkas. I think they and the veshmoshock are wonderful simple gear. I've been considering the ratnick shelter so it will be good to see your review.
Thank you! Really interested to checkout the ratnik shelter myself. Been thinking about them for awhile. Will hopefully have something up shortly.
Looking 4wrd to the new shelter
And don’t forget that the piece of tarp doesn’t have to be it for the shelter. Using surroundings like rocks or whatever around the bottom you can further seal it or just pine needles and leaves over the top given you don’t go overboard and you set it up sturdy.
You can always dig a hole and create more space just make sure you make it into a v shape for the floor to make drainage
Good drills cant wait to see the new shelter when you get it. have you tried the configuration of digging a small fox hole and then using the Plash palatka over the top to give shelter and concealment on the foxhole. the advantage of the fox hole gives you a little bit more room ;)
Thanks brother. Excellent idea. I haven’t dug one out just yet, but have been thinking about it. I am sure that would have been a common practice with these.
Would have been good to see it in plow point/Diamond formation, a little less cover but more room perhaps
I have covered that in a few earlier videos. Plash palatka playlist on my channel.
@@EnduranceRoom yes I've just watched it today actually :-) those Russian ponchos are a good size! how close can you get a fire to those newer large ponchos? obviously not as close as with the older canvas ones, but have you had any problems with getting fire and sparks near them?
@@impermanenthuman8427 They are completely different. I typically double, even triple the distance from shelter to fire with newer gear. Its able to be patched up with duct tape, but I prefer not to damage it if I don’t have to.
Looking forward to the new addition.
thanks. I have been interested in checking one out for awhile.
It would do in a pinch . Getting in wouldn’t be that bad . Getting my cripple 6’5 “ frame back out after a night in it may be more of a problem 🙂 looking forward to seeing their newest version. Have a great evening my friend
Yeah, my thoughts as well. Was surprised/pleased how much heat it retained. Thanks brother, you too.
Still looking for a source that doesn’t charge three to four times the cost of of the product for shipping. Really need to make a run to Houston. My eldest lives there and gave me three places on the north side
@@johnburgin7478 checkout www.russiancoldcamo.com They are in Wisconsin I believe. That is who I ordered the ratnik shelter from.
@@EnduranceRoom thanks
What ever happened with cabin? Did you guys get it? Good stuff brother
It fell through. There were some issues that weren’t disclosed. We found a new spot though. Just working on closing on it now. Thanks brother.
I have two and they are great. Do you ever watch Lars at Survival Russia? Stay safe.
Nice! They sure are. I do. Lars has a really cool channel. He actually did one of the few videos on YT with the ratnik shelter I have ordered.
@@EnduranceRoom Looking forward to your review.
Interesting. Wonder if you could see if there's a way to combine that setup with a second ...kinda like the USM C shelter halves...
Enjoying your vids from the UK
Definetely you can.
A-Frame the 2nd Tarp over the Opening, to form a Pup Tent; or place the "open" Ends together, to create a Closed Tent.
a giant in a hobit hole. ❤
It's out standing but I'll will need one a bit digger,it child work perfect for the tropics
Thanks brother
On your point about them being a little to small for the average person today.......given that this is just a wax impregnated cotton or canvas you could easily have a larger one custom made by any one who knows how to use a sewing machine.
Yes indeed.
Just to revisit a good piece of gear. A thought came to me: what if it was erected like an Alpha Tent with a 9 or 9.5 foot pole on each diagonal and then slept under diagonally.
Still small but might be worth a few willow saplings lashed together to try. Lash a crosspiece at the tips to hold in the grommets on the corners and stake out from loops though the buttonholes on one side.
Thanks! I have had an Alpha Tent setup on my mind for awhile now too! It would be a little small for me with the plash, but really cool idea nonetheless. Have a good one!
@@EnduranceRoom I look forward to it.
And the stiffness of plash was my concern. The diagonal would be 8’ 3” (or 4”) flat. But would probably need about 20”-24” center height to get the corner off your face. That would place the corners at maybe 6’ 4” minimum (but maybe 6’8”), just guessing the geometry of that curve.
Alright Professor! : )
thank you, my friend!
How did you get in and out of this thing??😆 tight indeed!!😁✌️💚
😂 Definitely not optimal lol
One method is to dig a trench under it, so you have the top cover, but then space underneath. Lars from Survival Russia demoed it a couple years ago with a british basha. I think he said they did in the Danish Military.
@@EnduranceRoom that makes more sense but man if it starts raining 🌧 😑 not optimal hahaha 😆
@@Canadian_Craftsman absolutely not optimal 😂. what they did to get around flooding out was a secondary hole for drainage, sticks overtop that, then browse bed.
I read several accounts of russian soldiers just laying on the floor and using the poncho as a blanket, one account i read stated it was common practice for two soldiers to pair up, sleeping head to foot, using wool greatcoats as blankets, with a poncho as a ground sheet and another as a top cover. I have a manual, showing a few different multi poncho set ups. (currently getting a russian friend to translate it into english)
Very cool. I have a British greatcoat and have used it out a few times with a wool blanket. Wearing the poncho over top the wool coat significantly helps with heat retention. I would be interested in seeing your friends translation of the manual.
@@EnduranceRoom ... when I get it back I will send you a copy. I bought another 2 ponchos .... so plan to use 4 of them for my winter set up, I weighed 4 of them as about 5kg, fairly heavy for a shelter but doable ... am thinking in summer to just use 2 of them,
@@neilcastell6951 Thank you, I appreciate it. 4 will give you a lot of options. I would try 3 connected together, it makes a quite spacious setup. It makes a 3 sided pyramid, similar to 3 plow points all facing in to each other. Weighs in at 8.4lbs/3.8kg
Not issued Blankets, they would also pair up using one Coat as a Ground Cloth, and one as a Blanket.
They would (often) sleep with their top arm in the Sleeves.
Hi Jess,
Just wanted to ask you about waterproofing canvass once again. I've made my own Plash Palatka being around 2 meters by 2 meters and have tried a combination of Boild linseed oil and Mineral Turps (Spirits) but are concerned about the canvass over time breaking down or something from the mixer? Can you recommend in your experience what would work best to waterproof the canvass and protect it as well for long term use. Kind Regards Drew.
Hi Drew, I haven’t used that combination before, but seems to be tried and tested. I like to make a mixture of beeswax and coconut oil. A friend told me he mixes in pine tar with the beeswax/oil mixture and found that it lasts much longer that way. I think it would be worth checking out.
Love your vids, man.
Me & my friends are making a version of your longhouse.
Any tips?
thank you! Each piece will add rigidity to the structure. If you can, stripping the bark will help preserve the wood longer. The ends of the stakes that go in the ground can be fire hardened, this will help make them last longer. I used twine, and it was a lot of knots. If you aren’t worried about being overly traditional, I would try some zip ties. This will speed up the construction. Once you get started, you will get a feel for it and it will start to flow. I saved all the limbs I trimmed off and used as much as I could to fill in smaller sections. What was left was used for firewood months later after it dried out. Good luck! What are you planning on covering it with?
@@EnduranceRoom
Thanks for the help!
We're thinking of using polyethylene tarp.
Also, there's also a carpet factory local to us that makes carpeting for aeroplanes.
They throw away A LOT of excess that we can use. And the wood will probably be hazel (only wood we can get, but we'll make-do)
@@IrishEagIe No problem. The only thing I would add, would be to be mindful of heating inside the shelter with the plastic. If it is big enough and the heat isn’t too intense, it shouldn’t be an issue. The only reason I mention it is because toxic fumes can be released from the plastic due to the heat. I would maybe consider canvas for the walls, especially those near a stove if you run one. You can get painters drop cloth which is a white canvas pretty cheaply. Maybe use the tarp for the overhead section and drop cloth for the walls. If you wanted to camo up the outside, it would be pretty easy to do so.
@@EnduranceRoom Sure
Thanks, man.
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thanks brother
Would a plow point give more room?
yes, definitely. this setup is warmer though, as it has 3 sides around body, vs 2 with the plow point. I demoed some plow point ideas for more room in the two videos before this one.
I know it’s canvas but how small can you get it folded up?
Rolled up, about 3”x14”. Weighs 2.8lbs
Miss having clay/soil , down hear those stakes bend like straws. Remember the day temp. that you are having is a warm summer as compared to russia.
There are some spots a little farther north that are full of rock. I was running plastic ABS stakes until I hit that ground. After that, I resorted to grade 5 1/4” bolts. Little heavy, but strong enough. Russians are pretty hardy folks.
@@EnduranceRoom Down here ( florida ) you get a lair of roots about 2 inches thick, than coral rock i use the heavy steel v ones.
Jesse where do you get most of your military surplus supplies?
Great video !
thanks Kris! Ebay has been a good source. I have a nice military surplus store back in Pennsylvania that has been really good over the years.
@@EnduranceRoom Would that be Coleman’s Surplus?
@@krishoogstraat6866 no, J. Amoto’s and Sons in Meadville. Small family store. Coleman’s seems cool though.
@@EnduranceRoom I buy from Coleman’s. Mostly bags. Best deals I’ve found so far. Also Major Surplus out of California.
How do you sleep in the tent without being tight?
You can dig a trench or raise shelter up.
This cloak is made of excellent fabric, but its use as a shelter is very bad because of the size and perhaps the design also and half the shelter of the Polish army is undisputedly better, but whoever owns 6 pieces of this half russian shelter can make an excellent tent with a roof that can be opened and closed for the purpose of igniting a camp fire inside the tent
The fabric is excellent. I have the polish capes, I do like them, but prefer the soviet version. A little larger would be excellent, but it is what it is. 3 of them actually make an excellent 3-sided pyramid tent.
@@EnduranceRoom I also prefer the Soviet version, but for wear only because it simply cannot be used as a shelter in the event of rain or snow..I have only one piece and your words are correct about making a hierarchical 3-piece tent .. I wrote to you in the comments to a previous video on this topic but I found a good idea It is the manufacture of a tent of 6 pieces consisting of a semi-hierarchical tent of two pieces and a semi-hierarchical tent of two pieces also accepts it and the distance between the two halves is equivalent to one piece from the right and the left, so I will get a full tent of 6 pieces with the possibility of making a hole in the middle of the roof to light a fire inside This tent.A hole can be made in the ceiling by unscrewing the buttons of the two middle pieces from the top from the side of the ceiling and folding them outward or inside, and the entry door will be from anywhere that does not matter .. I hope that my words are understandable because I use Google Translate
and since your not a soviet drafty you can carry two^^
haha yes, indeed and often do.
their modern group has some pretty interesting gear also.
If you put two of them together it dies make fir a better shelter. Check out youtuber ani4x4
Yes indeed! I like using two in warmer weather, for colder temps 3 of them make a really nice tepee. I like Ani, she has a cool channel.
Сдела гамак.
I have made hammock with plash palatka.
It is russain and there for good
He left it in the woods ?!
@@iac4357 to shear it with the people's comrade