Haymaker is NOT the Best Retro Pokemon TCG Deck

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  • Опубліковано 27 січ 2020
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    The "Haymaker" combination of Hitmonchan, Electabuzz, and Scyther dominated the early days of the Pokémon Trading Card Game. But when two top players decided to revisit the old format, they ACCIDENTALLY discovered a shocking truth: Haymaker isn't the best old deck.
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  • @MythrilZenith
    @MythrilZenith 4 роки тому +1614

    There's something about JWittz talking about the Pokemon TCG that just makes the universe feel *right.*

    • @aaronwishard7093
      @aaronwishard7093 4 роки тому +21

      I mean Pooka can't, since he's a TPCI employee, so at least having one last bastion of the old days being able to talk about the TCG, even if it's not always new sets, decks, and strategies. Is always a good thing in my book

    • @premejon8300
      @premejon8300 4 роки тому +3

      He’s the only person I want to talk about Pokémon TCG. Don’t respect none of the new guys 😂😂😂

    • @lannguyen902
      @lannguyen902 4 роки тому +11

      It is simple. The channel started of as a Pokemon TCG channel then it expanded to pokemon content. Afterwards, it expanded to Nintendo content then to any content that JWittz wants. JWittz talking about the Pokemon TCG is just him going back to his roots.

    • @infernofactory9104
      @infernofactory9104 4 роки тому

      Yup

    • @mildredroy3597
      @mildredroy3597 4 роки тому

      jwittz should do a video on temtem xD

  • @Slayerthecrow
    @Slayerthecrow 4 роки тому +729

    Remember the episode of Yugioh 5d's when Yusei went to jail and in order to get out he had to duel the head of the guards with a bunch of random cards smuggled by the other inmates?
    Yeah, this is a straight up anime moment.

    • @Compucles
      @Compucles 4 роки тому +117

      Before that, there was the Yu-gi-oh GX episode where Chazz had to build a new deck out of literal throwaway cards including the seemingly useless Ojamas.

    • @Slayerthecrow
      @Slayerthecrow 4 роки тому +70

      ​@@Compucles and before that he had to hunt down cards in the arctic, Chazz had a very interesting character development.

    • @mayborneflower
      @mayborneflower 4 роки тому +2

      Bill Cipher VRAINS has my recommendations.

    • @favourr.5713
      @favourr.5713 4 роки тому +5

      @@maybornefloweri like 5ds more but not the dub

    • @PrimeroJinJusuke
      @PrimeroJinJusuke 4 роки тому +7

      @Bill Cipher The new upcoming YGO series looks even more childish than the rest of them and looks like a kids anime that advertises toys and games (which is the essence of the YGO animes, but even more childish and generic-looking). Still, no matter how weird or childish they looked, every YGO series has some dark moments and plots.
      GX had electric that eventually led to heart problems, Judai reluctantly sacrificing his friends, Edo became the anti-hero he is because his father was murdered over a powerful card, etc.
      5D's has the main character living in the slumbs where he spent a good portion of his life collecting junk to build his stuff. The Dark Signers were all killed before becoming Dark Signers and we see most of their deaths (death by explosion, starvation, falling from buildings, car accident, hanging, a Duel of Darkness, and the one we don't see was later revealed to be a cult sacrifice). A post-apocalyptic future where giant machines destroyed humanity, with only four old men as survivors.
      ZEXAL had genocide, character deaths, one of those deaths being due to the lack of oxygen.
      ARC-V is mostly about a interdimensional war. Also, Sergey.
      I never watched VRAINS, but it also looks edgier than most other series from the outside.
      The Yu-Gi-Oh! manga is still the darkest YGO medium ever.

  • @TheHeroOfTomorrow
    @TheHeroOfTomorrow 4 роки тому +772

    Never forget that there was a retro deck called "Jigglin' Cheese Maker."

    • @foxokon94
      @foxokon94 4 роки тому +80

      90’s TCG deck names really where the best.

    • @spindash64
      @spindash64 4 роки тому +41

      Foxokon
      Fan nicknames are always a riot. Like Sneaky Pebbles

    • @megasean3000
      @megasean3000 4 роки тому +12

      TheHeroOfTomorrow What was the basis behind that Deck?

    • @ncolvin05
      @ncolvin05 4 роки тому +17

      @@megasean3000 I'm guessing it was using wigglytuff's attack (10x number of Pokemon on your side, your bench would be full) then chancey and alakazam. Use alakazam's ability to put damage on Chansey and then use healing items and pokecenter's to dump massive amounts of damage down the drain.)

    • @TheHeroOfTomorrow
      @TheHeroOfTomorrow 4 роки тому +16

      @@megasean3000 What N Colvin said. Do The Wave was actually so powerful it got Wigglytuff banned from some tournaments.

  • @chugga
    @chugga 4 роки тому +453

    Maaaaannn, and here I thought this was going to be all about Damage Swap to Chansey to essentially make it impossible to beat Alakazam in a straight fight. I'm sure I've thrown away dozens of Lickitung over the years...

    • @cheesydelite6532
      @cheesydelite6532 4 роки тому +12

      chuggaaconroy didn’t expect to see you here. Excited for your next let’s play!

    • @RafilaWan
      @RafilaWan 4 роки тому +12

      Chugga, I love you, but why would you throw away innocent Pokemon
      *loads haymaker with malicious intent*

    • @mangakabaruneh
      @mangakabaruneh 4 роки тому +2

      mr mime in front

    • @blowc1612
      @blowc1612 4 роки тому +2

      Mitsuteru Abe Pidgey evolutions kills me. Mine easy.. pidgeot is the strongest original card TCG... using whirlwind on Pokémons that was set up by opponents to basically lock them into using basic cards is hilarious. Pair it with energy removals, your opponent is hopeless.

    • @saifuusuri
      @saifuusuri 4 роки тому +4

      So Lickitung is good, and Gastly is good. Gastly has lick too, so maybe licking your opponent is the best way to win a fight. I should learn Tongue-Fu.

  • @RazalasTrebla
    @RazalasTrebla 4 роки тому +395

    Jwittz: "Haymaker is NOT the best retro Pokemon deck."
    Me: *nods approvingly*
    Jwittz: "And no, rain dance isn't either."
    Me: "YOU WHAT!?!"

    • @nine1690
      @nine1690 4 роки тому +9

      Honestly, as someone who dabbled in Competitive Mons on Smogon, its not surprising Rain can be oppressive even in the TCG

    • @co-tc5sg
      @co-tc5sg 3 роки тому +5

      I played rain dance.dek at Saturday morning pokemon league against the scrubs. Then wiggly for afternoon tourney. Good times earning those packs

    • @ninjaguyYT
      @ninjaguyYT Рік тому +1

      I had a deck that relied on Chansey, Dragonite, and Dodrio (for free swapping), and either Wigglytuff or Exeggutor for massive damage (60 or pseudo unlimited coin flips).

    • @VestedUTuber
      @VestedUTuber Рік тому +4

      Rain Dance actually performed poorly against Haymaker. The main issue was its reliance on a stage 2 and good energy draws, even with Breeder. Whereas Haymaker had quick basics with cheap, powerful attacks, plus Electabuzz which was specifically included to counter Rain Dance. Also, Super Energy Removal absolutely screws over a Rain Dance deck by forcing them to deep draw for more energy. You have to be very careful when playing Rain Dance, the handful of times I've used it in the GBC game I've found it extremely prone to decking out.

    • @GusJenkinsElite
      @GusJenkinsElite 9 місяців тому

      @@VestedUTuber I ran Raindance (on accident, didn't even know the meta before playing!) and I decked out a handful of times until I learned the deck. I also didn't use Breeder for some reason but still worked out fine

  • @EnderCreeper168
    @EnderCreeper168 4 роки тому +369

    Watching this new intro makes me feel like a parent with an adult child. I can't help but be nostalgic for the old intro, but at the same time I love the new intro and am excited about what it means for the channel!

    • @AxxLAfriku
      @AxxLAfriku 4 роки тому +2

      I always feel like the legend Gaga Gaga gaga am very successful Gaga Gaga gaga I meet the people happy with my words on UA-cam gagagaga giam so famous Gaga Gaga Gaga and the funniest person on UA-cam Gaga Gaga Gaga people love my videos Gaga Gaga gaga

    • @countdeku646
      @countdeku646 4 роки тому +4

      AxxL oh no, it’s you.

    • @PeterGriffin11
      @PeterGriffin11 4 роки тому +1

      @@AxxLAfriku What?

  • @Dingg00se
    @Dingg00se 4 роки тому +635

    "Haymaker is not the best retro pokemon TCG deck"
    Ah okay, he's probably going to talk about Rain Dance, the real best retro deck.
    "Nah"
    *Them's fightin' words buddy*
    In all seriousness, great video. Retro pokemon TCG is great.
    *Also Pokemon TCG for the Game Boy's pause menu has the best retro music I have ever heard*

    • @AviChetriArtwork
      @AviChetriArtwork 4 роки тому +7

      Peter Parker: "I'm going to throw sum d̶i̶r̶t̶ sand in your eyes"

    • @ottersintuxedos4981
      @ottersintuxedos4981 4 роки тому +12

      "Haymaker is not the best deck"
      "Rain Dance?"
      "No"
      "Wigglytuff?"
      "No"
      "....Stall Ala/Chansey...?"
      "Lickitung"
      "Lickitung?!"

    • @iBenjamin1000
      @iBenjamin1000 4 роки тому +1

      Squints and cleans glasses, "that's an interesting nickname for blastoise...have I seen you somewhere before, pal?"

    • @Dingg00se
      @Dingg00se 4 роки тому

      @@iBenjamin1000 Perhaps perhaps maybe maybe

  • @DrEnzyme
    @DrEnzyme 5 місяців тому +9

    I really hope JWIttz sees this, I know that this video is 4 years old but I want to say that THIS DECK WAS LURKING JUST OUT OF SIGHT FOR A DECADE. In Pokemon TCG 2 for gameboy there's a duelist in the game center called "Pawn." He acts as a gatekeeper to the rest of the game center gauntlet and he's there to make your progress as slow and painful as possible. His deck is called "Bad Luck Deck." What does it have in it? 4 Lickitung, 4 Moltres, 4 Magmar, 4 Chansey (not Mr Mime) and 4x Energy Removal. It's not as bad as Kyle's deck (I think people would have destroyed their gameboys if Pawn had all those trainer cards) but it's the exact same strategy and it's absolutely MISERABLE to play against.

  • @Divock
    @Divock 4 роки тому +160

    I've gone back and played the Gameboy TCG game over the years, and man, when I think of Pokemon that drove me crazy on the other side of the screen, it was Lickitung and Magmar. I distinctly remember spending 45 minutes in a match against Kristen because of turn 1 Lickitung, who managed to wipe my entire board due to paralysis luck. I didn't have much more than a starter deck but still, I'll never forget it.

    • @15Seili
      @15Seili 4 роки тому +11

      Same for me, i stopped playing the physical TCG back in like 2003 but i still play the GameBoy Color TCG game and oh man, whenever i see a Chansey or a Lickitung, i know im in for a loooooong game.

    • @arielglr7177
      @arielglr7177 4 роки тому +2

      I remember beating the fighting gym leader with a cat punch meowth, the guy didnt have any energy cards and I had my double colorless in the first turn, so I wiped his pokemon and winned the battle

    • @rustad183
      @rustad183 4 роки тому +8

      There is actually a Japanese sequel to the gbc game that got a fan translation a while back, and it is so much more fun it's unbelievable. I really recommend that people check it out.

    • @arielglr7177
      @arielglr7177 4 роки тому

      @@rustad183 too much of a hassle to even play tho

    • @blowc1612
      @blowc1612 4 роки тому

      I played again last week, and I created a deck that ran through every deck easily.. I win so easily it got boring as it became unbeatable and can run through other decks fast.. only time I get a slow game is bad draws but still even then the cycle mechanic I put in I usually draw 10-15 cards ahead.

  • @RogersBase
    @RogersBase 4 роки тому +123

    11:18 MY BOY CAME THROUGH AND SAVED THE DAY!
    PRAISE TO BE TO LICKITUNG! I knew that my unadulterated love for Lickitung would pay off one day!

  • @ikefromsmashbros9237
    @ikefromsmashbros9237 4 роки тому +142

    Your TCG content lately has been great. I'm sure I speak for a lot of viewers when I say I'd love to see more retro Pokemon TCG retrospectives/analyses.

    • @sorenman1
      @sorenman1 4 роки тому +7

      Agreed

    • @sladerobertson1613
      @sladerobertson1613 4 роки тому +14

      Same. I've been watching Jwittz since his Prof-It series and I really miss his Pokemon TCG content.

  • @londoncintron680
    @londoncintron680 4 роки тому +20

    I actually own a unofficial guide book for the retro Pokémon card set that was published back in 1999. Yes, it mentions the Haymaker. What I find interesting is since Gold and Silver was just around the corner, the book briefly mentions “Pikablu,” “Lady-Ba,” and “King Slowpoke.” It’s like a time capsule

  • @danielc2958
    @danielc2958 4 роки тому +137

    This shift towards more TCG related content has been awesome to experience. Keep on making videos on stuff that interests you, an I’ll keep watching.

    • @premejon8300
      @premejon8300 4 роки тому +10

      If u remember he started this entire channel talking about TCG! Glad to see him go back to the videos that made me subscribe during the Lv. X era

    • @Puffzilla777
      @Puffzilla777 4 роки тому

      Preme Jon Jwittz helped me get into the game!

  • @solidskullz5736
    @solidskullz5736 4 роки тому +154

    That intro was clean af though

  • @jaycarter5984
    @jaycarter5984 4 роки тому +84

    I don’t play the TCG, but I do enjoy watching it

  • @charleslegreatthegarbagemo7202
    @charleslegreatthegarbagemo7202 4 роки тому +45

    In this game “You May attack again” sounds as broken as my phone screen.

  • @goos4711
    @goos4711 4 роки тому +127

    Love these unorthodox builds. “Oh yeah your 1000$ meta deck, hope it can take on my budget deck.”

    • @jakegearhart
      @jakegearhart 4 роки тому +6

      Luckily the cost to build a completely new standard ready deck from scratch has gone down a lot recently. limitlesstcg.com/decks/?list=3498 This deck that just won the Sao Paulo regionals would only cost $91 to build entirely from scratch.

    • @Pyrobaconstudios
      @Pyrobaconstudios 4 роки тому +16

      I mean, retro pokemon tcg decks in general were fairly cheap. most of the prominent cards in haymaker are just uncommons and mr. mimes and alakazams weren't too hard to get either. Most of the expensive stuff was in regard to collecting back then ironically with the infamously valuable charizard card actually being one of the worst stage 2 evolutions at the time among several other examples of highly valuable cards being rather weak but highly sought out for collectable purposes.

    • @Compucles
      @Compucles 4 роки тому +4

      @@jakegearhart ...or you can just build up your collection in the online game for free.

    • @jakegearhart
      @jakegearhart 4 роки тому +8

      @@Compucles You can't really build competitive decks online for free. You need code cards as currency to get good stuff.

    • @DerVasto
      @DerVasto 4 роки тому +1

      @@jakegearhart May I introduce you to my boy MaxMoeFoe

  • @pikapuffin368
    @pikapuffin368 4 роки тому +61

    I love when players who really know the game go back and mess around with older formats. The Pokémon competitive metas have this, too, where people go back to older formats and realize, “Hey wait a minute, why weren’t we using this?” I need more videos like this in my life.

    • @nickfanzo
      @nickfanzo 8 місяців тому

      Base-fossil rules

  • @shaden489
    @shaden489 4 роки тому +141

    I love how mill as a term has carried over to so many tcg

    • @gigawarman12
      @gigawarman12 4 роки тому +9

      shaden489 YGO player: “Mtg ripped off yugioh”

    • @shaden489
      @shaden489 4 роки тому +6

      @@gigawarman12 lol haven't had a yugioh player tell me that yet but I'm still young and playing mtg so it could still happen

    • @RyanAtlus
      @RyanAtlus 4 роки тому +19

      ​@@gigawarman12 I'm a Yugioh player, and I always believed that the term milling came from MTG's Millstone?

    • @KuroiRenge
      @KuroiRenge 4 роки тому +3

      @@RyanAtlus That is the reference, yes.

    • @daivanfueledbyvenega
      @daivanfueledbyvenega 4 роки тому

      @@DerVasto on the rise lmao that deck came out and was tier 1, 5 years ago

  • @guillermocortes4415
    @guillermocortes4415 4 роки тому +86

    Me seeing the thumbnail: Of course it isn't; it was Rain Dance
    *Jwittz 50 seconds into the video: I'M ABOUT TO END THIS MAN'S WHOLE TCG CAREER*

    • @Winterhe4rt
      @Winterhe4rt 3 місяці тому

      Its so crazy to think one of the most powerful Poke Powers ever didnt create an actual good deck in its life time. Just by the sheer existance of Electabuzz, Rain dance was just doomed.

  • @solidzack
    @solidzack 2 роки тому +10

    The TCG 2 game for GameBoy had an opponent who used the simple strategy of Mr. Mime, Alakazam and a Tentacool with a Poképower, that basically grants it "Scoop Up" whenever it wants. So the strat was to move up to 2 Damage counters from Mr. Mime (it couldn't have more on it) to Tentacool using Alakazam then using Tentacools ability to send it back to the hand and set it back to the bench. Repeat every turn and you got an infinite loop that can't be stopped for the most part

    • @alexs7670
      @alexs7670 11 місяців тому

      Some of my friends got back into pokemon tcg around 2012-2013 and this deck was still really strong.

  • @ickyy
    @ickyy 4 роки тому +151

    I wish there was some sort of supported "Vintage" league :(

    • @Bananasforthesoul
      @Bananasforthesoul 4 роки тому +1

      Saint Elaine okay

    • @Rankurusu777
      @Rankurusu777 4 роки тому +2

      Isn't that called Legacy?

    • @ickyy
      @ickyy 4 роки тому +9

      @@Rankurusu777 from my understanding the official Pokemong TCG legacy only goes back to Black n white? someone correct me. But im old af and i would love support for Base to Neo maybe lol

    • @DerpyMudkipTCG
      @DerpyMudkipTCG 4 роки тому +2

      @@ickyy I don't think there are any leagues that play legacy or unlimited. legacy is for the pokemon trading card game online and is from the first heart gold soul silver set to the last black and white and unlimited is a format where you can use any card ever made. there isn't an official format that only uses the older cards.

    • @supermalukim8447
      @supermalukim8447 4 роки тому +3

      Unlimited is broken... by "porydonk"

  • @ClexYoshi
    @ClexYoshi 4 роки тому +23

    going into this video thinkin', "This is the part where Jwittz helps people remember how crazy Rain Dance is" and then NOPE!

  • @emmaramirez4330
    @emmaramirez4330 4 роки тому +10

    This is one of my favorite videos of yours -- please do more content on retro TCG!

  • @jacobg6628
    @jacobg6628 4 роки тому +3

    First off, I adore the memetastic preview image. Its great!
    Second, this is actually kind of amazing how this deck came into being, and how effective it worked. What a crazy story and you did a great job laying out the background and details, as the last time I came close to playing PTCG was in the video game version on the GameBoy.

  • @RedSilvers
    @RedSilvers 4 роки тому +11

    Back when I was a TCG Gym Leader, I used a variety of decks, including Haymaker and Rain Dance... But the deck I had the most fun with was Wigglytuff, Nidoking and Nidoqueen. Call for Family and Do the Wave!

  • @Mark-in4sh
    @Mark-in4sh 4 роки тому +43

    I love how good the woman yelling at a cat meme is. I swear I see it like every other day

  • @Dollightful
    @Dollightful 4 роки тому +17

    That intro is slick!

  • @exeledusprince9165
    @exeledusprince9165 4 роки тому +8

    Do The Wave was my favorite deck of the era by far. I splashed some Aerodactyl into mine though, since I was using mysterious fossil anyway, it made sure powerful evolutions blastoise, alakazam, venusaur, and even opposing wigglytuff didnt even hit the board, and its fighting resistance made it a good switch into hitmonchan. Being fighting itself, it dealt good damage to other wigglytuff and chansey. Didnt even require any special energies either.

  • @2749rnefjkbkfsgn
    @2749rnefjkbkfsgn 4 роки тому +6

    I think its interesting how much unexplored space there is in these early card game meta games. The reality is much of the meta-game was local, so there was no where near the level of optimization there is today. I think it's cool to go back and realize some of these strategies. Very good video.

  • @Zero_Chaos
    @Zero_Chaos 4 роки тому +4

    Love the shout-out to Ness's website. It's an incredible asset for old TCG metas.
    Also, you can get some game vs stall as a mewtwo deck with Mr. Fuji to shuffle a ton of energies in. Just gotta be careful not to get bopped by mew or Ditto yourself.

  • @belicose9
    @belicose9 4 роки тому +1

    Man, I really like seeing retro Pokemon TCG content on this channel. Seeing these cards and these decks really takes me back. I’ve always wished that I could time travel back to middle school and teach my 4th grade self how to properly build a deck.
    I’m very tempted to sleeve up my old cards and see if I can beat this monstrosity of a deck. I’m thinking an anti-trainer strategy using Lass as disruption might stand a chance.
    Thanks for the awesome content JWittz!

  • @martinschlemmer9707
    @martinschlemmer9707 4 роки тому +12

    when I saw the thumbnail all I could think was Raindance xD I could have a fully setup board by turn two in the pkm tcg for gba xD

  • @CrusixMusic
    @CrusixMusic Рік тому +8

    Just finished replaying the Pokemon TCG game for Gameboy Colour, and I think raindance still holds up against this stall deck, as the 3 magikarp, 3 squirtle, 2 lapras can deal with mr. mime.
    lickatungs retreat cost being 3 also can make it a good target for gust of wind forcing energy to be used on it.
    the deck also seems to only run fire energy, so mr mime cant use his very strong attack when he's stalling an opponent out.
    plus, even with paralysis succeeding, with the surplus energy raindance affords you, you can retreat out the paralysed and get in a strong gyrados/articuno attack.
    3x squirtle
    1x warturtle
    3x blastoise
    3x magikarp
    3x gyrados
    2x articuno
    2x lapras
    3x professor oak
    4x bill
    3x pokemon breeder
    3x potion
    3x gust of wind
    2x energy search
    4x energy removal
    21x water energy

  • @cortez4532
    @cortez4532 3 роки тому

    This was a solid video JWittz! I know I'm a year late but me and my friend have been getting into the Pokemon TCG Gameboy Color game. So far they've pulled out the two big classics on me: Haymaker AND Rain Dance. I managed to snipe a win against the Rain Dance with a Venucenter deck but I was concerned about my ability to remain competitive throughout our little competition. I've always been a big fan of Lickitung and stall playstyles so hearing his stall power is top-notch pleases me to no end. This might just become my fave deck! Thanks for the informative presentation and good storytelling! The link to that quality blog also helped.

  • @OnyxLeviathan
    @OnyxLeviathan 4 роки тому

    I’ve been watching for a few years now. Absolutely loved this video. Do more vids on specific decks please? You have the TCG acumen and it surprises me you haven’t done more already.

  • @Shiny_Misty
    @Shiny_Misty 4 роки тому +23

    I remember how my mom used Mr. Mime! And with Alakazam, too! I hated it SO MUCH! XD

    • @MrVariant
      @MrVariant 4 роки тому +3

      Mom is no joke. One just topped 8
      www.thegamer.com/mom-tags-along-pokemon-tcg-tournament-top-8/

    • @blowc1612
      @blowc1612 4 роки тому

      Pidgeot is the best answer against me mime.

  • @JoeNeutrino
    @JoeNeutrino 4 роки тому +6

    That was another really interesting video. I love this channel. It's hard to think of another channel that I've enjoyed so consistently for so many years.

  • @tdimensional6733
    @tdimensional6733 4 роки тому +2

    2:56
    Seeing this card art, I find it unbelievable that a variant of the Pepe Silvia bit hasn't been made yet with this

  • @PHemidall
    @PHemidall 4 роки тому +1

    great events
    2) keanu is back in matrix
    1) jwittz is back talking about pokemon decks

  • @konvoi
    @konvoi 4 роки тому +12

    Man, I feel like I missed out on all this for the card games.

  • @Auron3991
    @Auron3991 4 роки тому +5

    Having played both Haymaker and Rain, I can tell you what the issue is: they dig through so many cards (if 1/2 of their deck hasn't been flipped up within the first three turns, they've probably stalled) that they run on a knife's edge. Knocking them off it runs them out of cards very rapidly. This is why proper stall is so devastating to them. Stall tends to fall apart when continuous pressure is applied (try running stall vs pokemon that poison on one energy and you'll see what I mean). The grand irony is that Haymaker and Rain hit too hard, so their popularity checked stall's counter right out of the meta, which opened them up to their greatest weakness.

    • @maskofice9432
      @maskofice9432 4 роки тому +1

      It'd be interesting to see a more developed meta for retro Pokemon TCG. You might end up with that three way power balance of stall being effective against aggressive decks, but faltering against status decks, and status decks of course folding before aggressive decks. And maybe that wouldn't end up happening, there's of course healing options, ability to recover HP all over the place, and even in the best version the ability to still take prize cards. But part of me is curious

    • @samuelhain2160
      @samuelhain2160 4 роки тому +4

      @@maskofice9432 Given enough time in a developing meta the rock paper scissors always falls apart as the top decks develop ways to check their own counters or they disappear entirely. Look at something like MTG Legacy and Pauper (and other 'old' formats) and you'll see there is a strange lack of "true" archetypes. Combo decks take on elements of control or aggro, control decks take on elements of stax or tempo and win off locks or combos, and the aggro decks either become tempo, stax, or combo themed themselves. A developed metagame always looks like this where the top decks have few actual bad matchups, because they have evolved to resist the matchups they should be weak against by incorporating elements of other strategies into their own just for that reason. Rock Paper Scissors matchups are just the awkward teenage years.

    • @maskofice9432
      @maskofice9432 4 роки тому

      @@samuelhain2160 Ah, good to know

  • @StarFounde7
    @StarFounde7 4 роки тому

    LOVE the new intro keep up the great work wittz!

  • @ELTIGERE147
    @ELTIGERE147 4 роки тому

    So awesome to see jwittz doing a pokemon card video once and awhile. Been here since pokemon card facts videos.

  • @OutcastFalcon89
    @OutcastFalcon89 4 роки тому +3

    I remember begging my mom for those exact books. I think I still have a few in a box somewhere. Wow the nostalgia hit so hard with this one.

  • @ottersintuxedos4981
    @ottersintuxedos4981 4 роки тому +45

    Bring back The National Dex
    No! Not that one: Alex and Kellz!

    • @Speedrunner0218
      @Speedrunner0218 4 роки тому +3

      Sword and shield may do it. They are slowly adding back all the left out pokemon. It's only 200 for now, but hopefully soon we can get the other 200.

    • @ottersintuxedos4981
      @ottersintuxedos4981 4 роки тому +1

      @@Speedrunner0218 my comment might not have been clear, but I don't care about the other Pokémon

  • @SaberWolf94
    @SaberWolf94 4 роки тому +1

    I'm glad you showcased Jason's Wordpress page. I cited and mentioned it countless times in my videos as the best source to get the gist of retro pokemon tcg formats and decks. I learnt about Haymaker not being the best deck from that era through those articles years ago. You can even experiment with his own decklists listed there and then go from there.

  • @shermanthemerman
    @shermanthemerman 4 роки тому

    As usual, anytime you make pokemon TCG content you can hear the love in your voice. It's why I subbed way back in the day, and why I'm never going anywhere! Keep up the great work!
    Also would love to see a series of you laying out the history of competitive pokemon tcg, just an idea!

  • @insanecrusties
    @insanecrusties 3 роки тому +2

    I remember playing with and against this deck, but a later variant that used aerodactyl as the only evolution to lock out opponents. When someone at a toys r us Pokémon league showed me that it genuinely blew my mind and is one of the “eureka!” moments that got me hooked on TCGs for life.

  • @UrielTheAngelOfLight
    @UrielTheAngelOfLight 4 роки тому +12

    I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who knew about Lickitung!! I literally built this deck 20 years ago and went undefeated at my local play store.
    Good times!

  • @garryoak
    @garryoak 4 роки тому +2

    The best part about this video is that we're in 2020 talking about cards from when I was kid, the second best part is how you show the holo backgrounds perfectly.

  • @dovesr0478
    @dovesr0478 2 роки тому +1

    Great video, it's really cool to see very old formats re-examined like this. Crazy to think that the literal best deck in the format was completely unknown to even the best players at the time. I wonder if anything similar could happen with other TCGs.

  • @Colboi92
    @Colboi92 4 роки тому +3

    I really appreciate the Pokemon TCG Gameboy music, that game was a huge part of my childhood

  • @Djnightmare14
    @Djnightmare14 4 роки тому +4

    You have to do one about Yu-gi-oh TCG and the Yada lock!

  • @TempestDacine
    @TempestDacine 4 роки тому

    Sick new intro. I'd love to see more videos that cover similar content with old formats abd stuff.

  • @MateusDrake
    @MateusDrake 4 роки тому

    The new intro, the content, the editing...
    Everything was top notch.
    This was the video I didn't know I needed right now.
    Looking forward to the next ones.

  • @josephmoore286
    @josephmoore286 4 роки тому +4

    Me: *reads video title
    Me after watching video: My childhood is a lie!
    I tried using Lickitung but removed it due to the low damage output X_x I was never big in to stalls.
    Reminds me of when my cousins played the Harry Potter TCG. I did not have any cards, so I took their extra cards and made a deck. It was mostly magic focused, barely any creatures. I whooped their butts with it! We even went to a small tournament where it was us three and a couple who had multiples of every card. I think I came in 2nd or 3rd, hahaha.

    • @samuelhain2160
      @samuelhain2160 4 роки тому

      I recently collected the Harry Potter TCG (only 5 sets, low demand,) and was looking into decks. While creatures are the easiest way to go, I was surprised by how many other options there were. There's a mono-quidditch deck that works by playing the really hard to win matches and then playing a full set of the two cards that just win the match. I hope I get to actually play it someday

  • @doomswell
    @doomswell 4 роки тому +4

    I had those books and after I treated them like bibles playing the physical card game, I treated them like walkthroughs for the gameboy game. Theres one deck, I think they call it Furious Commons or something that is really under-rated, especially for the gameboy game. Basically Machop/Hitmonchan, Staryu and Rattata. 1 energy for 20 damage can get some lucky turn 1 wins.

  • @kamchaotic6225
    @kamchaotic6225 4 роки тому

    I love the new intro!! The one that Brody made was nice, but this one is so sleek and lively. :0)

  • @Moon525
    @Moon525 4 роки тому

    Wow that new animate intro was SO COOL!!!

  • @pat7202
    @pat7202 4 роки тому +3

    8:57 a pokemon tcg player just used the word mill (short for millstone) in a sentence.

    • @Talendale
      @Talendale 4 роки тому +1

      Remember that Pokemon TCG started off life as a Wizards of the Coast game in America.
      That meant a lot of Magic players got in early to what was obviously going to be WoTC's next big thing (until Nintendo yanked the license and deliberately upstatted/changed the cards to make the old cards mostly useless, LOL) and terminology easily and rapidly passed from one game to the other.

  • @Skyao
    @Skyao 4 роки тому +6

    This was really fun, I enjoyed the trip to the past and a bit of an introduction to the old meta

  • @ultrachaos1596
    @ultrachaos1596 4 роки тому

    I think I failed to say why I think why this is such a great intro. The reason why I find this to be such an amazing intro is that it shows how much you evolved from being someone who just did Pokémon videos and that intro sows everything your channel is all about. Your not just into Pokémon your all about other card games and video games and more so that’s why I think this is the best intro

  • @minihas6817
    @minihas6817 4 роки тому

    I love your pokemon TCG content ESPECIALLY when it's about the old cards!
    I only played the old TCG Game Boy Color Game so this video had dem nostalgic feels. ;)
    Keep it coming!

  • @Puffzilla777
    @Puffzilla777 4 роки тому +3

    THIS SOME GOOD CONTENT

  • @FixTheWi-Fi
    @FixTheWi-Fi 4 роки тому +9

    "Everything that you think you know is a lie!" ~ 'O' , Doctor Who.

  • @Lori_P89
    @Lori_P89 4 роки тому

    The new intro is sick!!! I love it :D
    Also the old Pokemon merch, I wanna cry T__T I had those exact Nidorino & Sandshrew keychains. But all of my Pokemon merch went the way of Toy Story 3, an 'accidental' donation/trip to the dump :(

  • @coolname3784
    @coolname3784 4 роки тому +1

    Wow another post keep up the good work all these videos are great!

  • @ZackRoome
    @ZackRoome 4 роки тому +5

    Mew,Mewtwo would Like a word

  • @Tun-Dar
    @Tun-Dar 4 роки тому +4

    I'll have two number 9's, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45's, one with cheese, and a large soda.

  • @PunishedTlacuache
    @PunishedTlacuache 4 роки тому +2

    Been watching for a long time now and I just want to say that I love how you and this channel have evolved [no pun intended] over that time. Keep up the good work!

  • @anthonymeleco2280
    @anthonymeleco2280 4 роки тому +1

    Great video! I played a variant of Haymaker in the early sets with Wigglytuff doing most of the damage and no Electabuzz (less required energy types). It wasn't my favorite deck though. Feraligatr once Neo Genesis came out was my favorite! You could do as much damage as you needed and recycle all the cards used. It competed against Sneasel decks (basically a new variant on Haymaker) and did reasonably well. It did struggle against Slowking though :( Ah, good times! Oh yeah, Lickitung does seem like a hidden gem haha.
    Edit: Oh man I recognize Jason Klaczynski! Guy is a legend with the TCG

  • @Venemofthe888
    @Venemofthe888 4 роки тому +12

    Everyone playing tcg
    Then theres me who likes the look and collect the cards from many different series

  • @andrewkos5560
    @andrewkos5560 4 роки тому +39

    No one, absolutely no one. Not a soul
    JWittz: This 20+ year old TCG deck is GARBAGE. HERE'S WHY!

  • @Apocralyph
    @Apocralyph 4 роки тому +2

    I love Jasons blog, especially the DPP and HGSS parts from when I first learned about the game.

  • @JCBjr15
    @JCBjr15 4 роки тому

    Why arent you the most subscribed channel on UA-cam yet? Your thumbnails and intro are god tier!

  • @crazysnowballgamingandpoke574
    @crazysnowballgamingandpoke574 4 роки тому +4

    Hello, I’m early and don’t know what to say.

  • @Crystal_Dylan
    @Crystal_Dylan 4 роки тому

    Love the new intro and theme music I’ll miss the old one a bit but hey can always watch the older videos for that

  • @werewolffindergaming896
    @werewolffindergaming896 4 роки тому

    I could barley make out for pokemon leagues. So all i had as well was the TCG video games. and the very limited experience i had with friends. But seeing this and reading that there was a some what format going on. Kinda makes me want to pick up my older cards ( even though i play and have up to date stuff) and give some of those old formats a try.
    I just love videos like this. Helping me see things about stuff i love that i have never seen before!!!

  • @SPIRE_FAN
    @SPIRE_FAN 4 роки тому

    Great vid. Please full circle back to more great TCG content like this!

  • @BlazeElPadrino662
    @BlazeElPadrino662 4 роки тому

    Just when I wanted to create a fast deck for the Pokémon TGC 2 for the GBC your video popped up in my recommendations! Guess I've been playing the game wrong all these years! Great content!

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro 4 роки тому

    man it is good to see papa Jwittz talking about the pokemon tcg again

  • @nimeshchokshi1921
    @nimeshchokshi1921 4 роки тому

    Nice to see a Pokémon TCG video on the channel. I still hope that you delve into MTG eventually.

  • @Bleachigo66
    @Bleachigo66 4 роки тому

    I have nothing but time for jwittz videos on competitive pokemon TCG history! 👏👏

  • @weeaboojonez9685
    @weeaboojonez9685 4 роки тому

    Loving all the card talk!!

  • @tttccc3151
    @tttccc3151 2 роки тому

    thanks for linking to the blog, there goes my weekend :D

  • @roblyle5289
    @roblyle5289 4 роки тому

    probably my fav jwittz video in a while, love pokemon tcg vids

  • @SuperBuckg
    @SuperBuckg 4 роки тому

    I was at the Indiana Event for the TCG when you where there in 2015 man how time flies

  • @andrewwright64
    @andrewwright64 4 роки тому

    Your Pokemon TCG videos are always my favorites, they're how I discovered you in the first place.

  • @Sargravendirdy
    @Sargravendirdy 4 роки тому +1

    Man it didn't land recently but I REALLY love the new intro.

  • @gkingkongkev
    @gkingkongkev 4 роки тому

    Oh man. I just love the new intro. Each time I hear it I just get excited for the video!

  • @deletedTestimony
    @deletedTestimony 2 роки тому +1

    I'd just like to say, my Pokemon card debut was at the toys r us on the day of the Mew release. I had never played against people, just with myself, theorycrafting the cards and how to use them.
    The employee "gym leader" was a manchild with limitless disposable income. He had four first edition Charizards... in his deck. And he decided to show me how the game was played.
    I used that Magmar card. Cause he was my favorite Pokemon.
    In addition to correcting *him* on the rules several times (I had read the rulebook religiously lol) I wiped the floor with him three times in a row.
    He was a six year MTG player.
    I was 12.

  • @hokostudios
    @hokostudios Рік тому +2

    Now, let's not discount the power of Confusion. The mere mention of Lickitung brought me pain, as I've learned in recent years that Confusion is easily the most frustrating status in the TCG. If you don't have or are unwilling to use a Switch or Scoop Up, it can leave you sitting and looking stupid for days.

  • @tris102299
    @tris102299 4 роки тому

    Okay that new intro is just badass!!

  • @denizdix
    @denizdix 4 роки тому +1

    The way he said "Scoop up" at 13:37 sounds like the beginning of Scat Man

  • @guillermogimenez840
    @guillermogimenez840 4 роки тому +1

    love this videos! i couldn't play at time (money, money, money) and now, i finally started a collection from Base Set to Fosil. Thanks for this highlights with a new light ;)

  • @RichardBlaziken
    @RichardBlaziken 4 роки тому +1

    This was a ton of fun! I always liked running Flamemaker (Haymaker with Fossil Magmar > Hitmonchan), but this new deck seems insane! I'll have to test it out some time!

  • @tymime
    @tymime 4 роки тому +1

    For some reason I was obsessed with the Prima strategy guide for the TCG GBC game...

  • @RiriStar1020
    @RiriStar1020 4 роки тому +2

    I remember using Lickitung a lot back in the Pokemon TCG video game, I never once thought to make a deck around stalling with it. This strategy is evil and I love it lol

  • @alexbrennan9928
    @alexbrennan9928 4 роки тому

    I love this video. do more vids where you talk about old TCG metas.