Stinker Air LLC -Thunder Mustang Air Race Plane - Tuned By Shane T
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2023
- The Stinker Air LLC “Guardian Angel” Thunder Mustang Air Race Plane is tuned using Twin MoTeC M600 Engine Management Systems.
At Stead Airport in Reno, the calibration is checked and adjusted in the twin (for redundancy) MoTeC M600 Engine Management Systems. The engine is a Falconer V12 (a design based on the conventional Small Block Chevy, with 4 additional cylinders)
It is electronically fuel injected and runs 100 LL Aviation Gasoline and uses Coil Per Cylinder Ignition sourced from the GM LS Engine family.
The plane is a Thunder Mustang, a carbon fiber replica of the WW2 era P51 Mustang, having a 3/4 scale fuselage and 5/8 scale wings. It’s 700 plus horsepower V12 engine propels it to speeds approaching 300 miles per hour during the “flyby” sequence in the documentary.
Visit our channel @TunedbyShaneT for additional calibration videos. - Авто та транспорт
He’s stoked, I’m stoked, we’re all stoked.
Fact
Finally someone puts out a video on small scale ww2 aircraft!
Glad you enjoyed it thanks for giving it a look
Its great seeing a non aviation guy working on an aircraft. You looked at it for what it is. A machine or piece of equipment. Its no different than any other machine. Just a different shape. Engines are engines. Nice work. Im an aviation and automobile mechanic and i enjoyed how you took this step by step with common sense thinking
Really appreciate that. That is precisely how I view all of them, of many different genres. Thanks for that comment.
Remember, nine out of ten automobile mechanics are more competent than aircraft mechanics.
@@rob379lqz scary thought
@@TunedbyShaneT Yes. Modern aircraft (piston daily flyers are ~1/10th) less complex as modern automobiles (daily drivers). They should really be called Aircraft Maintainers, and Automobile Engineers. 👍
@@rob379lqz as a member of the latter group, I agree.
In the early 1980's there was a homebuilt kit being offered that used an Oldsmobile 300ci aluminum V-8, it looked like a mix of later mark spitfire and P-40Q with bubble canopy. It sounded like a well-built hotrod on takeoff and doing flybys, the Falconer V-12 appeared around that time, glad to see it still around since there was another company trying to sell GM based V-8's for replacing engines on certified aircraft. Once you get the computers calibrated to keep the best fuel air mixture then the fun begins to get the best power out of the engine.
It’s been a while since I heard the name Thunder Mustang. In the early to mid 1990s I helped to conduct the ground vibration test (GVT)on the number one aircraft. It was an awesome looking aircraft at the time and even more so now.👍
How cool. Thanks for sharing.
@@TunedbyShaneT
The company I worked for and conducted the GVT was Specialized Testing Service Arleta, Ca. The President/Owner and DER was Sandy Friezner. We also conducted the static and flight test for the “Rare Bear” out of Van Nuys with Lyle Shelton when they put the P3 props on the Bearcat. I still have video and photos of these test.
@@outofcomms those need to go up here on UA-cam!!
Even with great tuning, those engines are complete time bombs.
Really??
@@TunedbyShaneT Yes. They are notoriously unreliable.
@@TunedbyShaneT There have been 8 fatal accidents involving Thunder Mustangs. All but one of them involved an engine failure. Many, many others have experienced engine failures, but were able to get back on the ground. Most weren't even modified engines used at Reno. Just the stock Falconer as supplied for the aircraft.
Let’s hope we don’t suffer the fate of the others.
Perhaps the LS based V12 engines would be a better choice than the Falconer, and they are available over 1,000 HP
WOW! What a Great looking Mustang. The Best colour paint scheme that I have ever seen!
Splendid!!!
JB. UK.
Glad you liked it mate. Cheers for giving it a butcher’s
Sweet bird, congrats on the outcome. ✌🇦🇺
Agree about the plane thanks for checking it out
A beautiful P-51 Mustang. My favorite. Good luck to the team. Keep safe. 🤘 👏👏👏 ❤️❤️🙋🏼♀️ 💙💙💙 🙋🏼♀️
Well appreciated
thanks for sharing this awesome project
Absolutely
Bad ass. I love it. Thanks for sharing with us all.
I agree with you totally and appreciate you taking the time to check it out
Very cool video, thanks.
AWESOME PROJECT! Beautiful sound. Beautiful aircraft!
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Wow shane! Thanks for sharing this beautiful creation!
My pleasure sir thanks for giving it a look
Unreal brother, thanks for sharing!
So cool thanks for checking it out
Amazing video. As a petrol head coming from an aviation background I can really appreciate this!
That’s awesome thanks for giving it a look see.
Very inspiring aircraft
Man, that engine sound is AMAZING!!!!!
Agree
This is an absolutely exceptional aircraft!!!
I’m blown away that this engine exists- never heard of it. And it seems the perfect match for this airframe.
I believe they were originally built for boats
Yes as I understand they were built for Offshore powerboat racing.
This is Epic.😊
Thanks for giving it a look.
Love seeing these projects, Shane! Keep these videos coming. Keep up the great work, brother.
Much appreciated. Will do!
Amazing work and awesome plane!
Appreciated Abe
Amazing recreation.
Thanks for giving it a look.
BEAUTIFUL
Agree
IF I ever won a Lotto (or played).... buying/flying a Thunder Mustang is in my Top 3 list. OMG...this was a dream.
No idea what it’s like to fly, but it is a pretty nice bit of kit
Wow that little mustang is a real ass kicker and the livery is very beautiful, I screen shot photos of it and I'm seriously thinking I might just scratch build me a R/C version of that fine bird!
Really? That would be amazing. When you complete it get back in contact I’m sure the owner would love to see your iteration.
@@TunedbyShaneT Roger that !
@@hankramos8663did you build one yet?
super cool! 😎
Thanks for giving it a look
Great job Shane!!!
We also had the please in fully paint correcting and ceramic coating this beauty last week.
That’s awesome. Such a cool project to be part of.
DON'T CRASH IT !!! I LIKE IT !!!
Just got my A license and am so excited to eventually have the opportunity to do something on beauties like these
Congrats on that License
@@TunedbyShaneT thank you! Planning on having my P here in the next month or two then getting a job at some sort of airline.
@@josetellez1803 all the best sir
@@josetellez1803 getting your A&P will benefit you, the rest of your life. Mine has taken me much further than most people’s college degrees. The work is out there and many technology fields other than aerospace respect, appreciate and employ for it. All the best to you
😎🎩♠️
Such a great looking plane, but it's probably going need a little more steam than 600hp to be at the pointy end of sport gold nowadays if the Ly-Con crowd can keep them together. Best of luck to the team, and fingers crossed that air racing can find a new home somewhere.
You may be right about that. Thanks for the best wishes!!
Throw a blower on it then.
@@LeachimSagrav333 That might be an option, but everything in aviation is a compromise. Weight, cooling drag, robustness of ancillary systems such as the psru, the prop design to turn torque in to thrust, etc, etc. Lots to consider. As it stands, the races beyond this year are in doubt so I don't think folks are going to be investing very heavily until that is sorted.
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@@LeachimSagrav333 😂😂😂
600 cubic inches 720 HP
Serious horsepower, serious aeroplane. ANY scale P-51 Mustang deserves credit. And if I'm not mistaken , this scaled Mustang actually equals the real one in speed and performance..!? Well yeah without the 6 , 50 cal Brownings...!!!! Cheers love it...! Stay safe
NIIIICE..
This guys are a treasure to aviation !!!! Aviation been safe as it is today,is because dedicated guys like this guys !!!!!!
Awesome. Now he needs to get the matching Falconer ZR-12 Corvette to go with it.
Haha that would be badass
You should take it to the air races!
Beautiful you are passionate what a kite!
Many thanks sir
On the first pass it sounds like a huge v8
Yeah it does indeed. Thanks for giving it a look
Beautiful, girl . Almost sounds like a real p51.
Terry
That’s a fact. Thanks for giving it a look see.
That thing is cool! He's fuckin movin!
I agree with you that thing IS cool!
Nice report. Very interesting tech details--thanks for posting. (hey, it IS beer:30 here, too!)
Thanks for giving it a look, glad you liked it.
Lovely airplane. My only reservation is the 3-blade prop. =PC=
Agree 4 blade for a mustang
@@hankramos8663 Not all P-51 had 4 blades. P-51A has a 3 blade
@@Mikeylikesit1968 yeah no we just used to Hollywood movie P51s haha👍🏾
He recently switched to a 3 blade from a 4 blade said it made the plane smoother.
It is hard to hear a real P-51 fly by nowadays with out some kind of added whistle to it
Sounds like a Merlin. I have just been to an airshow that had a full size P51. It did not take off that fast. These aircraft are awesome. Seen them here in NZ and at the Races in 1982
Yeah it’s sounds pretty amazing.
these outperform real p51 in everything but top speed and ceiling, they have double the rate of climb
@@IR_IE_ID they are impressive little planes
I love it. It sounds kind of like the late Lee Behel's gp5" Sweet Dreams" Mint aircraft Sir Happy flying
Thanks for checking it out
The GP-5 had a LS3 based V8.
This is a beautiful bird but Streaga is still the king.
I was on Lemmon Valley drive six days ago, and I thought I heard something familiar.
Coulda been
Nice project Shane ! That was an eye opener watching you tune lambda in such a short pipe. I guess one would think the setup would justify a blown supercharger to go along thith those short pipes. It brings me back to the basics of my days of carb emission testing where the probe needed to be much further into the pipe than 4 inches. Speaking of emission testing I never hear much on 5 gas analyzing with performance tunners, it seems a 5 gas analyser would paint a much clearer picture about engine tuning, timing efficiency not just for emissions sake ! Nice job man btw !
You are right, 5 gas analysis would be a good option, trouble is, it’s so easy with a wideband now days no one even bothers.
Almost like my Saab Aero💕😀
Who knew that P-51s could become racing planes.
It’s a little racing replica, but it sure looks cool
@@TunedbyShaneT agreed. But think of what would happen if that was a real P-51. They'd have to take out the guns and cover up the holes where the guns were
Sounds old school F1 to my ears.
It sure does, just doesn’t rev as high so the pitch isn’t the same.
@@TunedbyShaneT I was referring to race cars of the 20's and 30's that maxed out around 4K rpm. Of course F1 didn't start until '50 so it was a bit of a misnomer.
@@Imnotplayinganymore even better!
Soo cool! You guys dialed it in a couple of days, imagine how much trial and error the guys in the ‘30’s had to do.. No on bord data, no lambda😨
They were fairly clever, lots can be learned by reading their technical documents form that time period in the NACA archive at Cranfield University.
you know shit is serious when we start tuning with laptops like a clapped out big turbo civic
Add the whistle that the original Packard-Merlin's supercharger made and you would nail the original sound!
If we gonna put a whistling device in it’s gonna be an exhaust driven supercharger
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10:30 Ooooff! Back to the smelter for this block. Crank took it fairly well though 🥵😱😲💰💰👨🔧👩🔧
It’s headed to a fixer.
Yeah man, the prop pitch lever controls the RPM and the throttle controls coarseness or otherwise of the prop blades via the governor to maintain the selected RPM between the coarse and fine stops. The blade pitch constantly changes depending on airspeed/altitude etc to maintain the selected RPM.
Thanks for that explanation!!
I wonder if that's one of Mike Patey's tugs moving the bird out of the hanger.
Dear Santa…
😂😂
What a great project! Aviation needed this approach. It would make these racers so much more reliable.
So many just dying slow deaths in hangars! Without racing, sadly they will end up in museums.
They really are cool hot rods
Tell us more about that tank thing !
Wasn’t that thing cool? Little remote control device for maneuvering the plane around in and out of the hangar.
RIP Dale Clark
Not so much at idle, but when taking off and landing and doing passes at high or low speed this plane sounds very much like a Mustang minus the high pitched gear whine from supercharger gear drives. I have no idea how it manages to sound so deep and right, but well done!
Agree completely. Thanks for giving it a look
Awesome!! Someone show this to John Hale!
Racer supporting Racer
OMG
Robotic plane mover..? 😀🤘🏽
I wonder if the more blade props, the greater the drag? Because the original P51-D had 4 and Spitfire even 5.
I would like to see a turbine in that….beautiful job though!
Where’s the fun in that? 😜
How does the dual ecu's offer redundancy if each one is running one cylinder bank? I thought the "extra" ecu in most aircraft was so that it could be a hot swappable (switchable) backup ecu should anything fail on the main one. Could you explain how this works a little more? Thank you for making the videos, they're good.
Can't help but notice the block looks like it had a bit of a dispute with rodney (-;
Yep that is a previous engine and one reason why I was brought onboard to prevent that in the current setup.
do you use a 3 bladed prop to reduce harmonics
I have heard some people owning a Titan T-51 3/4 scale Thunder Mustang with Audi V12 engines turned upto 1,200 h.p. and will do 400 m.p.h. with a 4 blade propeller, but those are made out of Aluminium and not carbon fiber like the SW-51. Those airplanes are my dream flyer! Too bad it will always just be a day dream. I'll never get to own one😢. I don't have $350,000.00 U.S.. Plus the F.A.A. grounded me finding out I have Charcott Marry Tooth disease.😡
Awesome airplane, lovely sound. The slow motion prop effects from the digital camera are unfortunate.
Agree.
Will it be in Reno air race this year I'm planning on going can't wait to see the race.
That is the plan
Is that an experimental? Cause I bet it could benefit from having a camera installed underneath so the pilot can see with the tailwheel down =)
He has 2 left hands?
I'd be really interested to see what the performance is like on just one ECU running only 6 cylinders. I'd have to imagine six of those cylinders completely dead just acting like a giant air compressor would be a heck of a drag on the engine. I've worked on V12 Ferrari engines that are set up the same way and they literally won't even start when one ECU isn't working.
I definitely could be wrong but it almost seems like having one ECU running each half of the engine would be doubling the likelihood of failure not creating redundancy.
There is certainly an argument for that regarding redundancy. Yeah I’ve worked on a couple Ferrari’s like the Enzo we turboed and ran at Bonneville. So I’m familiar with the twin ecu setup one those engines.
Certainly the power would be low with half the engine not running. Not even half. Just enough to hopefully land safely somewhere close by.
@@TunedbyShaneT I'm assuming that's something you guys are going to characterize since it's a pretty important part of the performance of the plane. I would be really interested to see what the difference in ideal glide ratio is between the prop stopped and feathered versus The engine only running on 6 cylinders and while they're fighting the other six. There's a lot of air drag caused by a spinning propeller. If the glide ratio isn't significantly better it might not be worth the doubling of engine management failure points.
@@DoRC yeah these things have been this way with the twin eco setup for 25 years. We have no need or desire to “test” the theory.
@@TunedbyShaneT usually when a plane is running two ecus (or fadecs as they are normally called) it's a truly redundant system with two sets of everything all the way to dual spark plugs. This is similar to the dual mag setups of older aircraft.
I've never seen a plane configured the way this one is with each ECU running half the engine.
Would be sweet to see that thing with a turbo stuck in the back like they did with the p-47s.
I’m on board with this idea
A couple of guys have tried running centrifugal superchargers on them with noting but hols in the block to show for it.
@@MX304 turbos are your friends
@@TunedbyShaneT I have wondered if it would be possible to package turbos and the exhaust on one of those without adding so much drag that it would negate the power gain.
@@MX304 like most projects, you can easily make more power than you can cool, particularly if the power adder of choice is exhaust driven centrifugal superchargers. There is no question you can make more power than you lose in drag, but cooling the charge air and the engine itself based on how good a job you do at cooling the charge air will be a struggle.
How long will the oxygen sensor last (or operate at full range) with 100LL fuel?
We shall find out. Normally they are good for 150-200 hours with full leaded racing fuel.
Why not use holley dominator with a wideband o2 no mixture adjustment at any altitude necessary seems a better choice than running 2 computers for 2 different banks….
I was friends with one of the guys involved in the development of the Thunder 'Stangs RIP, what happens to all the purpose-built racing aircraft now that Reno is no more?
Well assumably they find a new venue. Otherwise they fly them around for fun I guess?
I wonder if there can be a prettier plane??? Wow
It may or may not be possible.
Are we going to see it in an actual air race? 🙏🏼 🤞😊
The plan is the race it at Reno this year
Sounds close to Rolls-Royce Merlin
It does. Agreed.
What about 250 below 10,000’?😳
Is this plane smaller than a regular P51 ?
Yes as I mentioned in the video the fuselage is 3/4 scale whilst the wings are 5/8 scale to a P51
Who made the propeller speed reduction gearbox?
I’ll ask
Macaulay
@@TunedbyShaneT you are awesome- thanks ♠️
Why a more traditional prop, instead of a Scimitar?
I’ll ask
I have an adapter for my handheld that I can plug an aviation headset into. Maybe a centrifugal supercharger altitude compensator? That would be mega bitchen if they scaled it to 109%.
Haha I’m on board with the “normalizer” idea
Pushrods rule.
100LL or mogas?
100LL
Whats the rough price to build something like that
I honestly don’t know.
Did you buy that kit from Dean?
Kit? Not sure what you are referring to? Tell me more.
@@TunedbyShaneT I was wondering if this aircraft was built from a the Thunder Mustang kit that Dean Holt has been marketing since he acquired the design.
Okay gotcha. This particular plane has been around for about 15 years or so it seems from the paperwork we found regarding the MoTeCs and the wiring.
Is this Kevin's plane?
Xcellent 3/4 Scale P51 Mustang
Pity these folks don't also construct a Spitfire Mk 18 😅
Wouldn’t a 4 blade prop be better to take full advantage of all that power at a lower RPM range not to mention it would look more authentic.
I think it’s less efficient, he told me he swapped from the 4 blade to a 3 blade for efficiency.
Too much can go wrong EFI, even rain can be nasty
6x Webbers would have been the go
Add a VORTEC Supercharger
Haha agree
Remember, nine out of ten automobile mechanics are more competent than aircraft mechanics. 👍
How do you figure?
@@davidsmithson9236 Yes. Modern aircraft (piston daily flyers are ~1/10th) less complex as modern automobiles (daily drivers). They should really be called Aircraft Maintainers, and Automobile Engineers. 👍
Wow, another name calling Democrap. What was the purpose of your statement?
@@pcpolice7937 Yes, my opinion to merely provide my 42 years working on, working around, flying as crew in fixed and rotary aircraft. And I ain’t no dem. I I right-wing. 👍 Alberta, Canada Forester. Retired now. Peace.
Is it faster then VOODOO!!!
Probably not
"Bitchen" is correct. Mmmmmm.