From my understanding some of these companies can be extremely successful, in fact I think one of the biggest scam companies was recently sold to Apple for like $4 billion or something, think it was called Beats or something.
I don't have time to scroll for it, but there are plenty of idiots prepared to defend this crap, based only on the convincing sales talk and the high price. They can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that sometimes you get far less than you pay for.
What kind of dumpster do you people have?! You find oscilloscopes, video projectors, surround sound systems, jet aircraft, nuclear power stations. All I see at local dumpsters are old tires, scrap cardboard boxes and similar crap.
You have to break a few property and trespassing laws and jump fences for the good stuff; if you're sticking to easily accessible dumpsters that any hobo can get into, then you're just going to get the literal trash that other divers left behind. My brother in law used to work for city sanitation years ago and he was able to run a modest computer and electronics repair shop out of his home from the locked up dumpsters behind rent to own and electronic appliance stores - he was able to salvage plenty of useable parts and components from devices that often only had cosmetic damage or minor mechanical issues - disc drawers not working and bad power cables being the two most common culprits. Point is, if you want the good stuff, you have to be willing to risk going where most others aren't willing to go.
Comment of the decade. I'm waiting for Dave to come across a casually discarded Saturn V (with Lunar Lander Module) in the dumpster room - and take it apaaaart. ;-)
I worked at a used music gear store . We had a very similar box come in, it wasn't this same name tho. But looked identical...and did sound like shit!!!!... we did sell it for cheap tho..
That's pretty typical of the cheap 'n' chunky ebay projectors. Their main redeeming feature is that they use a fairly common metal halide lamp that lasts thousands of hours and is very cheap to replace.
bigclivedotcom the MH lamp is a pretty nice selling point, albeit giving pretty bad colour reproduction. Projector lamps are stupidly expensive the amount of time they can be turned on. It's really about time that projectors started using something decent that doesn't shit itself within a month of use.
***** it's not that no one think about using leds in projectors, it's that the color rendering index of leds is pretty bad at the moment, even in the high-end. You should take a look at the Reef Central forum. A lot of people wnt to switch their MH lamps over to led, and nearly everyone has issues with the color of their tank afterwards; this is not unique to aquaria. The visual spectrum of leds is weird due to the fluorescent phosphor.
***** All right, now take a look at what >95 CRI leds will cost you. They have been making their intro into the filming industry, and a simple film panel, used to bring light into a studio, currently costs around 1000-2000$ depending on light output. Although I do think you're right that LEDs will make their entrance into projectors at some point, due to their superior lifespan and light output, I also believe that current leds have pretty bad CRI. Leds with high-CRI that are currently on the market cost an absolute fortune. If you can find cheap, high-power, high-lumen, long-lifespan, CRI 95% leds, please let us know!! Because I've honestly been looking for some nice film lamps since forever.
I love my Marc Vincent, I mean once you get past the occasional high voltage shock due to the excessive electrical shorts and the electrical burn smell,. I mean as long you keep a fire extinguisher on hand, it's really quite a quality item.
don't see street scams too much anymore.......big companies do it for you now! just open up a modern dewalt drill, or a sony product or headphones.......huge prices cheap components and riding on a brand name....
And batteries. Names like Duracell, RayVac contract with manufacturers of cheap generic batteries who simply put the "expensive" label on their everyday, cheap batteries. Clothing lines are another product where high-end sounding labels are sewn on cheap garments. And its all completely legal. It's called Capitalism.
@Eric Vincent So what you are saying is that the Scandanavian, Canadian, English socialist systems have failed. In the US we constantly hear about the failure of the Canadian socialized medicine system. Of course the Canadians I have talked to don't see it that way but hey it's on Fox News so it must be the truth eh? The real fact is that any system requires morality. You got that part of it correct but didn't go far enough. The difference is who holds the power and thus can screw the system when they are morally bankrupt. With capitalism the power is major corporations and lawyers primarily.
@Max Raider I don't see any Leftists, Cultists nor any combination thereof here. Only people with differing views on human nature and the systems we build.
@Eric Vincent Socialism gave the people of USSR the best education and upbringing system (for free), one of the best health care systems (for free), strong scientific and engineering school, art and culture of high moral values, and one of the fastest industrializations ever made. It made possible for the most people to move to the cities into a new apartments (for free). It gave people low-cost high quality natural food. It gave the workers institutions to protect their rights like 8-hour working day, 28 days vacation and guaranteed pension. It made travels across all the country affordable for everyone. With socialism USSR won the Great Patriotic War against united capitalistic Europe. What capitalism in Russia did? It destroyed most of those achievements and achieved nothing by itself. Because it can't. Capitalism is dictatorship of capitalists, while socialism is dictatorship of workers.
@@okaravan What alternate universe are you from, comrade? Socialist Russia was a shithole country that people died trying to flee. That "free" healthcare system came with "free" medical experiments done on an unwilling and unwitting populace, art and culture were highly censored by the state to ensure maximum "patriotism", workers were effectively slaves to the state... Socialist Russia was a far cry from the utopia you're painting it as.
@@Dargonhuman Funny enough, the Marc vincent, zm, "product designer" was not as apt in the English language. Not only is "vincent" spelled with a capital "V" at the bttom and a lower case "v" on top. It also produly declares itself as an "AMPLFIER". Now that's some serious shit...I mean, it probably ranks #1 in the "AMPLFIER" tests of any serious high end audio magazine. Because stuff like Krell sits in the amplifier section. well, because, you know, the guys at Krell can not only build amplifiers, they can also spell...and they don't need to put the word amplifier (or AMPLFIER) on the front. I chose Krell just as an prominent example, there are other great amplifiers out there. Oh, yes, and you'll probably never find a Krell amplifier in a White Van Sale; it'll likely cost more than the van. ----- Edit: wrote my comment before 10:20. The "product designer" can, actually, spell "AMPLIFIER" right, just only...half of the time. I hope I didn't f*ck up *my* spelling, I am already drunkas well.
@@Otie64 Do you even know what being drunk does to the brain? Cognitive abilities like speech and spelling are the first to be impacted. I know this for a fact because whenever my friends - who are much older that 10 years - drunk text me, they can't spell for shit. That's actually my first indication that they've been drinking as they have nearly perfect spelling and grammar when sober.
I cringed at the bar graph display.... It was clearly designed to operate in the opposite direction with eh red indicators at the top, yet the bars are going in reverse.....what an oversight!!!
MidnightMarrow I could basically tell you what this video says, or you could just watch it and get back to me. (linking it in a separate reply just in case of spam filters)
Eric Fixalot .... totally agree people get so swept up in the image they forget it's the sound that matters and beats are total shit.... buy Sennheiser or akg..... beyerdynamic no contest.
I just got fucken scammed today. He said the same bs. They received an extra shipment of speakers with surround sound and a high tech projector. MSRP for the speakers were $2999 an the projector was $5999. I fell for it and gave the guy $300. I should've gotten with my gut decision but ended up persuaded. I tossed it in the trash. Lesson learned.
+John Yoo I find it hard to believe that anyone would think a business would take a $7700 hit on an $8000 MSRP. No offence, but you got what you had coming if you fell for that.
i laughed so hard when a mate wanted to show me his new home theatre.. it was mark vincent. i looked at hime and asked how much. he said 600.. i said ya shoud of gone to the casino with it ya would of been better off. a day later he messaged me with his dissapointment.
My father fell for those cheap phone scams, "get a iShony xperia S6 for free but you have to pay a $30 tax!" A java phone that start losing its buttons in a day and all he said to me was "it is made in our country" I couldnt really explain to him, he knew it was crap and threw away anyway
They got my mother in a parking lot and talked her into buying two pairs of "high end" speakers that were "over-purchased" a few years back. I tracked them down within a couple of hors tailed them to their warehouse and I actually got her money back! I suppose it helped that I knew the owner of the building they were using as a warehouse/staging area. I called that one a WIN. Even if it cost some time and gas, it was SATISFYING. Truly satisfying. . . yep I am gonna go and gloat for a while
I have been approached on two different occasions over the years from people trying to do this scam. Back then I drove a flashy sports car so it looked like I had a lot of money, I didn't really though since it all was invested in that damn car lol. Anyway it went down pretty much as you describe in this video. "Hey we have a bunch of left over high end gear from this installation job we did and the boss accidentally ordered to much stuff and now we have to get rid of it." The first time it happened I was pretty shocked as I was at a gas station fueling up said sports car. After I turned the guy down he got rather agitated and started to insult me calling me a "flea" for not wanting his obviously shit product. I saw him look over my shoulder at a police car pulling into the station and he promptly ended the conversation and jumped in his van and took off. The second time it happened a guy approached me in a parking lot offering pretty much the same deal except he mentioned where they did the install and was at a place where I used to work and I still knew the boss. I told him I was going to call my old boss to verify if his claims were true or not and he jumped in his vehicle and sped off without saying a word.
The "Marc vincent" [sic] home theater system was sold here in the USA under the "Vanderbach" name, in the same cabinet but without the fake tubes/valves. Printed on the box is a fake MSRP of "$2699", and on one I've seen a hand-written price tag of $219.99. People are trying to sell them for over $1000 on eBay, probably thinking that "even that price is a great deal compared to the $2699 it's worth!". The box claims "Designed in USA", "No.1 in Germany", and "No.2 in Sweden".
For the most part, these speakers end up selling on Ebay for extremely low prices. Or quite often attract no bids at all. You can find several reports on Ebay about these scam speakers, such as this one: www.ebay.co.uk/gds/Speaker-brands-to-avoid-usually-White-Van-types-/10000000004593870/g.html
Those are recycled capacitors, you can see from the assorted glue colours. Transformer core is a 35VA one, not going to work well at all if you want more than 30VA out of it. Plus is the copper is worth something.
I was wondering about that. They looked to me like they'd have been pulls from salvaged goods that came into port from recyclers. Probably heaps of parts to pull from considering the vast quantities of gear going back over seas for processing.
Most of chineese products have tons of mistakes in the instructions, some of them are google-translated. They even make a mistakes on the their brand name as a video shows. Nothing special. I have seen a lot of this.
Once I had been in a minor car crash and was bleeding slightly from the head. Had no way to get home. White van pulls up. "Want to buy speakers". "Yea sure". Got a lift home, and suggested on the doorstep "I am a sound engineer... do we really need to get them out of the boxes and listen, or shall we just leave it here?". They shook my hand "fair scam mate".
I hear yah Robert, we share the same first handle and probably been at the cold end of the iron for too long! There used to be a few of those companies, MEI.. Pyramid.. they were car audio, but same group of idiots selling crap to the unsuspecting. I bet you don't say FREZNEL that way either! This dude's rip on what is more often what is actually out there than these guys know.. I bet he takes that Marantz apart and sees the same, excluding the "mains" connection because of obvious UL, CSA, and TUV certs.
I'll 'defend' the projector: "HDTV Ready" was plastered all over consumer devices that were capable of accepting 1080p signal, even if incapable of properly displaying it. That's why I flatly refused to buy any digital TV until I established the true resolution of the display panel.
Treknology im totally with you on that, i was looking at 4k 60hz tv, and a lot of them aren't actually 4k or 60hz because you to look at the spec sheet to tell. cheap tv's have no hdmi 2.0 which can handle 4k at 60hz
Treknology I think HDTV ready means that they can display 720p. It was very common in the early 2000's. A lot of the early HD TV's were made with 1366×768 LCDs. Before BluRay and such, when DVD was the best most people had, it was plenty.
Aℓαηтιc ƒℓαмє Same here. 3840 is NOT 4k and never will be. Within the Video industry, I pedantically separate "UHD" and "True-4k" as different products and yes, in high-end video production gear this IS a significant difference. The display I'm using right now is "True-2k" (2048) rather than the ordinary "full" HD (1920). On one of the cameras I'm currently considering, even the "eyepiece" is genuinely 1920*1080... I should also point out that no video material is going to be 60Hz. At best it will be 30fps, and will only be displayed by a PC at a higher refresh rate. A properly mastered Blu-ray should be 24Hz (24 fps) equal to cinema and the TV will "refresh" this image by displaying it twice, to reduce flicker. In a standard cinema, each of the 24 frames per second is shown twice to reduce flicker (48Hz). The idea of 50 & 60Hz is, I think, a hang-over from the analog interlace days. If HD were being properly broadcast and displayed, then all TVs should be capable of displaying 96Hz (each frame shown four times). We need varying frequencies to remain backward compatible with PAL (25/50) and NTSC (30/60).
yeah 4k = 4096 x 2160 Treknology i'm not sure. that there aren't yeah that 24fps refreshing twice is called 1080i in all honesty tv's just need higher refresh rates in general. 144hz monitors do exist and there is a noticeable difference between 30 hz and 144hz
+Treknology The only way to tell ofa camera's resolution for sure is to shoot a scene with a lot of high frequency content then take a frame and do a 2D Discrete Fourier Transform on the picture. If it's full resolution the center blob will extend fully to the frame edges including overscan.
I had a few guys try this on my twice about 10 years ago. First time was at a Home Depot store in the US, the brand they were hocking was Olin Ross. I hadn't heard of the scam before and almost fell for it, even offered them $100 before a friend alerted me to what was going on. They surprisingly wouldn't accept my "low" offer anyway, despite it being a heck of a lot more than the $20 they sell for on eBay. Second time was Paramax brand, and I wasn't so nice to the douchebag when he approached me a few months after the first attempt in the Burger King parking lot across the street from the Home Depot. I chased him off, but it almost came to blows when I called him out for his shittiness. The BK manager saw the whole thing unfold, and actually comped my meal for chasing the guy away, so it actually worked out in my favor.
My stepfather here in the US fell victim to this about a quarter of a century ago when he was duped into buying this massive pair of "Acoustic Research" speakers. Big, twelve inch poly woofers and the like, they looked ok. But, when I pulled one of them out there was no crossover, the magnet was tiny and you could see that the MDF was only about a cm thick. Junk.
I bought speakers from a shady dude in a white van who said they couldnt find the address they were supposed to deliver them to for $300. 25 years ago. Still have 'em and they're awesome!
Boris the Spider; And I worked in a music store in the 80’s that is still in business to this day. We sold vinyl. I run high end tube amps. I have heard many 6 figure stereo systems. I know what great sound....sounds like and I am going to double down on what I said: My white van speakers that live in my 1K sq ft man cave, still sound great to this day and they are now over 30 years old. Strange but true..
I've had these guys approach me once off the street, it sounded suspicious from the get go... their excuse was they installed a home theatre system in a house and the shipping company sent them "2 by accident" and they need to get rid of it...... typical 2 guys in a white van. shady as, common sense really.
Jack Ridge they do catch fire they are garbage if you get one take it outside and duct tape a bunch of mortar fireworks and m 80 fireworks to it and blow it up because no one needs these pieces of garbage
In the United Kingdom I would get arrested for theft if I take any items out of a "dumpster" without first seeking permission from the owner of the dumpster. Are the laws similar in Australia? I learnt the law when i was 17. I took a tv stand from a skip behind a shop. The police saw me later and asked where i got it from. I innocently said the skip. This resulted in a visit to magistrates court and a fine of £50. Back in 1984 that was nearly two weeks wages. You sure do find some fantastic items. I enjoy your videos and learn so much. Thank you.
Cliff Hartle At the end of this video, he said he had to actually get into the dumpster to fish the remote. He jumped in dumpsters a few times in past dives but most of the time, he does mostly pick up stuff that is just lying around.
"Dumpster quality gear" woah woah woah. I'm a college student, my hi-fi setup is entirely built from actual dumpster gear and is certainly better than this trash
MrNotorius5500 However the one that lies is the guy from the "white van", showing you fake details and perhaps driving a rented car. Tracking the guy down would be much more expensive than the money you paid for the product and in the end you catch just one of the lowest level workers that may even be misinformed. It is simply not worth it for the police.
Littlebethlehem Taste is subjective. Specs of a product are testable. Saying a product has feature X when it does not is against the law. ATI found this out in ~2006 when they claimed their cards were HDCP ready when in fact they were not.
That large transistor on the heat sink has a stylized SK that's the San Ken logo. They're a well known Japanese semiconductor manufacturer. Whether they're genuine or not I wouldn't hold my breath. Marcon caps? Those haven't been manufactured since the early 90s I believe. I think Chemicon bought them out. Somebody forget to run spell check on the lamp cover? Wait for one hout :-).
HAR HAR You try finding an S60 Volvo in the wreckers yard. They last for years and the wreckers now pick, pull, sort and sell the parts in pieces rather than letting us parts jackers into their yards. I was dumpster diving behind factories many years ago and lately the finds are getting thinner and thinner. Best places to pick up curbside material is in the more gentrified neighbourhoods.
wow, what a POS that amp/sub was!, horrific. I did a tear-down on a large LCD TV of similar build quality some time ago, I honestly thought somebody had hacked one together in their back yard out of scraps, but nope it was a factory built! At least the projector was not a total POS probably good for kids parties, random presentations and other work that you would not haul an expensive high end projector out for!
Here in Canada people don't put this staff in the dumpster. They either sell it at the garage sale for a buck or two or leave it on the curbside so someone less fortunate or just adventurous can take it home and make some use of it.
I knew someone that fell for the van scam speakers back in college and thought he was hot sh*t for a couple hours until they blew up. I had to be the one to let him know he got scammed and since I didn't like him at all (he was a major douche bag), I laughed my ass off right in his face. Probably one the best days I had that year. :)
Ribbon cables and smaller gauge speaker lines are quite common for chassis wiring. That sub driver is not that bad at all either. Paper still has very good parameters in the world of driver design. Stabbing it means nothing. The driver could use a larger magnet but the voice coil is not all that bad for the power.
They made bank a few years ago going around college campuses. But since I’m an actual electrical engineer with audio engineering as my niche I took them in a hell of a ride for a few hours.
A: He said it was FullHD and that it was ultra high quality brand B: No i didnt, i said t was HTTV Ready (like it says in the case) and that it looked nice in my opinion. We were selling them cheap because the boxes were opened. A: You said you were going to some exposition B: Never said that. That exposition doesnt even exist. and so on. either one could be lying so the case gets dismissed. Illegal or not, there's no way to prove they were scammers even though it's obvious. Obvious stuff means nothing because witches were obviously evil, so unless you get a hidden cam and record their selling speech like dave said, their word vs yours.
Robert Calk Jr. There is a difference between the components not being able to even possibly match up to what they claimed and having an individual, hand assembled, product not look exactly like the picture. Especially when, every now and then, somebody cares enough to actually produce and hand you the good looking sandwich. If it makes these claims on the box, or at an official website that is still in use, it seems like it would be easy to make the case that they are committing fraud.
Those components are likely genuine but just recycled. Overall it's not as bad as you're making out. The same quality would be sold under known brand names in normal retail outlets. The only scam is that these guys in the van are overinflating the prices to stupid figures.
RalphyPlague yep because if they go back to the office their boss will just keep it, but they wont take a free $50 they need the $100 or they will just give it to thier boss
I remember when someone tried to sell me something like that. It was a seven eleven parking lot. A fat dude with bad grammar in a lambo pulled up and tried to sell me some headphones. I saw the side of the actual headphones. *They said Beats.*
YOU FOUND THAT MARANTZ SR4001 IN THE DUMPSTER?!?!?!? Who the hell would ditch that thing? they go for 200-300€ second hand where i live, and back in the day they where pretty good, not "high-end" or anything, but better than most thinks you see around.
The projector looks like they reverse engineered a decent older design, from a decent basic company, and then built it using cheaper components. The caps on the Marc Vincent, could be genuine. A lot of old electronics goes to China for recycling, and I wouldn't be surprised to see decent pieces like capacitors, resistors and the such being reused, in cheap gear.
On your second point, that was my thinking as well. The printing on the bigger electrolytics (and the vent at least on the Elnas) seems right, relative to typical fakes (though there might be a few, ahem, 'Rulycons' in the back there).
had one of these guys pull up and ask me at the liquor store. i was like... nah guy, scam me on craigslist... i may make stupid impulse purchases but never out of a van
Some guys got me with this about 25 years ago. What they said is, "The order was supposed to be four speakers and we got 4 pair". The brand name matched a different high brand. Got me for $300.
I fell for this 25 years ago. Funny thing is, I am still using those $150 speakers on a daily basis. Not too bad of a buy :) to this day, I still feel dumb, but it could have been worse.
The white van guys sure don't like this video! 30 years ago I was at a stoplight and the guy in front of me got out and came to my window asking if I wanted to buy speakers. lol. These days someone coming up to your door a lot worse is probably going to happen.
My white van experience was the guys pulled up and said "They got the customers order wrong and bought too much stuff and the customer doesn't want it so we need to get rid of this extra equipment. I replied that's called conversion. Its illegal. You are selling the property of your employer when the customer is returning it. That's illegal" They drove off...
Not getting it. Almost everything is chipboard. Looks like half inch, which is standard for ALL subwoofers. You are knocking the transformer, but have you seen the transformer in most newer Sony, or Pioneer amplifiers... absolute crap. At least that is a torroid.... and the subwoofer actually had a magnet that looks like it should have some throw. By no means am I saying it's good, but for $50-$100 max... it's not a horrible deal.
+Wapn Perfo Chipboard (particle board) and MDF (medium density fiberboard) are completely two different things. Real subwoofers are made out of MDF. Nothing wrong with MDF. You are an idiot.
Anyone can explain to me... what is the point of going trough all of that trouble to make a shit stuff? Wouldn't it be smarter to scale down the operation and for the same investment manufacture actually good stuff? That business would work long term. This one is unsustainable. But correct me if I'm wrong.
The scammers are in america or australia and everything electronic now comes from china. China can do everything, exept cheaper. The only exeption are professional or super high end electronics. And these require huge investments, highly payed professionals and a good brand. The scammers are a bunch of criminals without any education, they could never profitably produce good electronics in a 1st world country.
Scamming people is VERY sustainable. This scam has been going on for generations. (And remember : The people making that projector probably don't feel like they're scamming anybody. There's an honest market for cheapo $200 projectors. The scammer is the guy who slaps a fancy made-up brand-name on it, and pretends it's worth $5000.)
That projector is not too bad. It seems like it's a little old as electronics that uses a HD ready just means that they were able to accept an HD signal. There were HD ready products sold there were only enhance definition or not full 1080p. Remember, 720 is still HD. It's just not full hd.
@@filthylucreonyoutube That "cover" (dustcap) is almost always bigger than the voice coil itself, especially on subwoofer drivers. For obvious thermal and airflow reasons. Nothing fake about it at all. You don't seem to know much about speaker design.
Scams like that are very common here in the Philippines but they are not inside a white van. They're inside shopping malls and the sales men tells you to scratch a coupon and if you win (all coupons are winner) they will give you a price. But there is a catch. They will only give you the price if you buy their product worth this amount. But they cost around ten times as much compared to other well known brands. The most common is the induction cooker which they amazes consumers about its property by boiling water while there are papers between the metal pot and the stove and the water boils without burning the paper. I think it's legal here because they thrive in shopping malls. What you said at 5:08 also applies here.
I took a job years ago here in Nashville that said they were doing audio/video install. When I got there it was this. I did it for 2 weeks and I was out. Trying to sell speakers from a van at a traffic light is crazy. You are 100% spot on on how this works. Good video.
+Baby Nuts Craigslist is the online equivalent of yard sales and only has local listings. Ebay sells internationally, and is full of scam wares like this.
Hmm. Just a nitpick, I think you meant "lux", not "lumens" at 26:30 or so. 200-400 lux is a typical brightness for an office space. For anyone who doesnt know: lux (lx) is a measure of radiance per unit area while lumens are a measure of total radiance output by a specific device. They're the visual sensitivity weighted counterparts to W/m^2 and just plain watts.
AymBro You kinda should though. Lux and lumens are completely and utterly different. It was probably a mistake on his part, but mistakes on the part of teachers turn into misunderstandings on the part of students. Misunderstandings on the part of engineers turn into iPhones. -.-
AymBro Class act. I take it you're one of the ones that didn't know the difference between lumens and lux. Probably don't know the difference between near field and far field either, do ya? You're one of those morons who buys CoolerMaster products, aren't you? Your POS rig was probably worth half what you paid for it before you even had it assembled. Mine cost me $250 and probably has at least twice the power. Also, uh, you might want to put some stuff on private. I don't think people who live in minecraft houses need to be throwing stones at those who watch anime. Sure you want to try another four letter word, plebeian?
AymBro I just got done cutting down a shitload of trees with 3 separate chainsaws today and burning them. What was it that you did again? Oh yeah, you made that one comment at 1:16 AM. High point of your day, I'm sure. Also, the roasting was real and correct. Maybe you don't even know wtf it is you have? Kinda sad. I'm sure there's something in there for you to make a "clever" "response" to.
How much? jackmeat, How much did you pay for the double set? You know that we know , you didn't find them in a dumpster. How much did you pay? 'Nobody goes thru this big ol' ordeal about crap they find in a dump." Mr. I know everything about audio " got slammed and fell for a DOUBLE set. Did you give the extra $20 for a case of beer?
That lamp in there looks like a standard 70w RX7 metal halide lamp as used in commercial floodlights! They are about 5600 lumens and only have 60-70% colour rendering!
BillyJoe1305 if you still had it, take a look at it, most of the time they just had a 12v halogen bulb inside. Ironically, halogen bulbs have a near-100% CRI. On small projectors, you can get away with using halogen. Larger projectors would need higher light-output, that'd burn the film lol.
Same with cheap Pioneer. Bought myself to receivers of that brand. Looked quite similar from the outside. Opened them, one ful of electronics, the cheaper model looked like a 5 dollar alarm-clock radio. Did some google research and learned that die higher Pioneer component of that era had embossed logo's the cheaper units printed logo's. The printed logo series have been, I assume completely overpriced back then. JVC the same, a lot of quality difference between high end and the cheaper sets, like every brand I assume.
A long time ago, someone was trying to sell me some car speakers he claimed were JVC-brand. He had either been scammed, wanted to scam me, or didn't know how to properly read, because when I checked the driver units, the sticker said "JBC". Of course I didn't get them.
good video...i actually almost got had several years ago...packaging is a big thing they use. It seems dumb thinking about it now but these normal looking dudes pulled up in a truck, same basic story you outlined, for what ever reason I thought the boxes they came in made them seem legit, they were heavy like you said. The only thing that got me was I was basically broke at the time and they used the line, "if you go to the atm over there what could you realistically get out?" and I half jokingly said 50 bucks(they were asking like 200 saying system was worth 800) and they were willing to take it. Something just clicked and I said I'll pass guys. Then they did the whole why not? whats wrong? wanna hook it up? Which finally made my slow brain realize this was all scam.
That driver is actually nice! Also that projector is a FAVI entertainment junk projector. You know, I have actually found two of these systems. PLEASE NOTE: I did not pay a single cent for them. I got them from the dump! One was a Harmann by Volk Technology Labs. The other one was made by Genesis Media Labs. Both were crap. The Genesis one actually, unbelievably had a nice woofer. It was a 100Watts 8 Ohms not close to the 800Watts 4 Ohms claimed by the website. Also it claimed 350Watt into all surround channels, Nope I had it connected to Panasonic 60Watts MAX 30Watts RMS speakers and never even got them to RMS!! The Harmann never worked!! I plugged it in and all I got was a light flashing "BT Working" also it had NO buttons on the front! Also what did you do with that projector? Just wondering.
Joshua's Recordings Even a lot of big-name brands will up the wattage on their speakers, though. It's a really bad part of audio industry, inflation of wattages. After all, no one believes you when you tell them 10W is a sufficient amount to penetrate the entire street, and that most of the time your speakers are running at 1W or below lol
***** Yea, I know about the PMPO output. Samsung uses it all the time! Though I don't believe about like say MTX saying they have a 500Watt woofer that can only handle 10W. I have done calculation with my true RMS multimeter and found that the amps but out close to what are rated. Like my FISHER from the 80's put out 30Volts into 8 Ohms that is 112.5Watts, the amp is rated at 120Watts per channel. Also my Sony subwoofer amp put out 306.25Watts or 35Volts into 4 Ohms. It is rated at 320Watts per channel into 4 ohms or 500Watts per channel into 2 Ohms. So I am pretty sure something is wrong with your assumption that all brands overrate their amps!
Joshua's Recordings Although you're not giving that much info on your readings, I will assume that when a power-amplifier is outputting its absolute maximum voltage, it will not be able to produce a sine wave. Distortion becomes a really big issue. You can open up your amplifiers, there'll be TDA chips and STK chips in them, those manufacturers rate their outputs at 10% distortion, which (subjectively) is bullshit for listening to music. I will admit I'm being bold when stating that all manufacturers overrate their wattages, I will hold firm that these ratings can either not be maintained for extended periods of times due to thermal design issues, or they will have so much distortion that it becomes unusable as a musical amplifier. pretty sweet amps you have, though
***** Thanks. Though actually I use these amps like all the way up, I use the FISHER to play music outside, it also has a wattage meter that I found pretty accurate. Also I have it driving a modified KOSS speaker with a PUNCH 200Watt subwoofer, and it will drive that speaker pretty hard without audible distortion. Trust me, I can here distortion and it drives me crazy. Also I could get more out of the Sony but I only have a 32Amp power supply driving it, (it is a car amp) so I do get some distortion out of it. Also I do open up amplifiers, I constantly open up almost everything, just look at my channel. Also most of my amps are direct transistor output and are rated at .05% total THD to rated output. Except the one in my bedroom with is a class D, I think TDA. So yea, I like direct transistor amps much more that TDA or STK (digital amplifiers (Class D or E)).
Nah, Dave makes up his mind before he reviews anything. No matter what he sees, he just goes with what he has decided beforehand. Yes, this is clearly a cheaply made stereo, no doubt it's from a scam company, but some of the details he's just making shit up as he goes because it's from China.
Like when he's making fun of the soldering and layout on the back... it actually looks pretty well-done, the layout at least. But he'd never admit that because it goes against his pre-determined judgement that this thing is garbage.
I work in an electronics repair shop in Canada. We see this stuff all the time. The stuff is barely built to work at all. All the specs are false, and in the case of the projectors you're lucky if they don't burn your house down. You will see that the brand name changed every few years, as different lawyers are trying to chase them down. Their websites claim this are high end items (it's really funny when they say the MSRP on the projectors is over $5000), yet all the links on the page don't go anywhere, there is no support, no warranty and no where to send them to get them repaired (if they even work in the first place).
People who make money on this garbage really piss me off. I've had these white vans approach me on many occasions (in Canada) and I usually laugh at them, but one time I needed a ride, so I told them to bring me to the bank around 10km away where I was going and when we got there I said seeya later suckers lol
Justin Bell You can already. There are loads of videos and pictures online of various hi-fi equipment internals. You usually get what you pay for, big and famous companies like Marantz with decades of experience don't get their reputation by scamming people.
From my understanding some of these companies can be extremely successful, in fact I think one of the biggest scam companies was recently sold to Apple for like $4 billion or something, think it was called Beats or something.
haha this is gold
This is the best thing I've seen
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+Rambi “Rambi9000” Ninethousand Laughed my ass off.
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Dave did not find this gear in a dumpster, he bought from a guy in a white van and is is too embarrassed to admit it.
Sure, whatever.
Lol. "No honestly. I got it from the garbage. I really did. I jumped into the dumpster to root around in the garbage.I swear."
First time I have seen a dumpster find with the remote lmao
I don't have time to scroll for it, but there are plenty of idiots prepared to defend this crap, based only on the convincing sales talk and the high price. They can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that sometimes you get far less than you pay for.
Dude....totally.
I thought the EXACT same thing.
What kind of dumpster do you people have?! You find oscilloscopes, video projectors, surround sound systems, jet aircraft, nuclear power stations. All I see at local dumpsters are old tires, scrap cardboard boxes and similar crap.
It's all down there bellow that top crap, you should dig deeper.
You have to break a few property and trespassing laws and jump fences for the good stuff; if you're sticking to easily accessible dumpsters that any hobo can get into, then you're just going to get the literal trash that other divers left behind.
My brother in law used to work for city sanitation years ago and he was able to run a modest computer and electronics repair shop out of his home from the locked up dumpsters behind rent to own and electronic appliance stores - he was able to salvage plenty of useable parts and components from devices that often only had cosmetic damage or minor mechanical issues - disc drawers not working and bad power cables being the two most common culprits.
Point is, if you want the good stuff, you have to be willing to risk going where most others aren't willing to go.
Comment of the decade.
I'm waiting for Dave to come across a casually discarded Saturn V (with Lunar Lander Module) in the dumpster room - and take it apaaaart. ;-)
@@McSynth or perhaps a real genuine BOZE WAVIE
First world dumpster
A receiver... with a subwoofer in it? Yes - That sounds like a quality item right there. How about a turntable with a subwoofer?
They even have a turntable with a subwoofer AND a meat grinder for local market.
like an early gramophone of 1900's ;-)
I worked at a used music gear store . We had a very similar box come in, it wasn't this same name tho. But looked identical...and did sound like shit!!!!... we did sell it for cheap tho..
funny comment. lol
ah yes
That's pretty typical of the cheap 'n' chunky ebay projectors. Their main redeeming feature is that they use a fairly common metal halide lamp that lasts thousands of hours and is very cheap to replace.
bigclivedotcom the MH lamp is a pretty nice selling point, albeit giving pretty bad colour reproduction. Projector lamps are stupidly expensive the amount of time they can be turned on. It's really about time that projectors started using something decent that doesn't shit itself within a month of use.
*****
A large number of decent high power CRI > 95 LEDs from OSRAM, way underpowered (
***** it's not that no one think about using leds in projectors, it's that the color rendering index of leds is pretty bad at the moment, even in the high-end.
You should take a look at the Reef Central forum. A lot of people wnt to switch their MH lamps over to led, and nearly everyone has issues with the color of their tank afterwards; this is not unique to aquaria. The visual spectrum of leds is weird due to the fluorescent phosphor.
*****
But that's what a CRI >95 is saying... And there are enough LEDs out there with this performance. Especialy those from OSRAM.
***** All right, now take a look at what >95 CRI leds will cost you. They have been making their intro into the filming industry, and a simple film panel, used to bring light into a studio, currently costs around 1000-2000$ depending on light output. Although I do think you're right that LEDs will make their entrance into projectors at some point, due to their superior lifespan and light output, I also believe that current leds have pretty bad CRI. Leds with high-CRI that are currently on the market cost an absolute fortune. If you can find cheap, high-power, high-lumen, long-lifespan, CRI 95% leds, please let us know!! Because I've honestly been looking for some nice film lamps since forever.
I love my Marc Vincent, I mean once you get past the occasional high voltage shock due to the excessive electrical shorts and the electrical burn smell,. I mean as long you keep a fire extinguisher on hand, it's really quite a quality item.
don't see street scams too much anymore.......big companies do it for you now! just open up a modern dewalt drill, or a sony product or headphones.......huge prices cheap components and riding on a brand name....
And batteries. Names like Duracell, RayVac contract with manufacturers of cheap generic batteries who simply put the "expensive" label on their everyday, cheap batteries. Clothing lines are another product where high-end sounding labels are sewn on cheap garments. And its all completely legal. It's called Capitalism.
@Eric Vincent So what you are saying is that the Scandanavian, Canadian, English socialist systems have failed. In the US we constantly hear about the failure of the Canadian socialized medicine system. Of course the Canadians I have talked to don't see it that way but hey it's on Fox News so it must be the truth eh?
The real fact is that any system requires morality. You got that part of it correct but didn't go far enough. The difference is who holds the power and thus can screw the system when they are morally bankrupt. With capitalism the power is major corporations and lawyers primarily.
@Max Raider I don't see any Leftists, Cultists nor any combination thereof here. Only people with differing views on human nature and the systems we build.
@Eric Vincent Socialism gave the people of USSR the best education and upbringing system (for free), one of the best health care systems (for free), strong scientific and engineering school, art and culture of high moral values, and one of the fastest industrializations ever made. It made possible for the most people to move to the cities into a new apartments (for free). It gave people low-cost high quality natural food. It gave the workers institutions to protect their rights like 8-hour working day, 28 days vacation and guaranteed pension. It made travels across all the country affordable for everyone. With socialism USSR won the Great Patriotic War against united capitalistic Europe. What capitalism in Russia did? It destroyed most of those achievements and achieved nothing by itself. Because it can't. Capitalism is dictatorship of capitalists, while socialism is dictatorship of workers.
@@okaravan What alternate universe are you from, comrade? Socialist Russia was a shithole country that people died trying to flee. That "free" healthcare system came with "free" medical experiments done on an unwilling and unwitting populace, art and culture were highly censored by the state to ensure maximum "patriotism", workers were effectively slaves to the state...
Socialist Russia was a far cry from the utopia you're painting it as.
I took a drink every time you said "cheap quality shit". I think I'm drunk enough to buy one of those Marc vincent amps now.
You spelled all of that correctly with no grammatical errors so, no, you were not drunk enough yet.
@@Dargonhuman Funny enough, the Marc vincent, zm, "product designer" was not as apt in the English language. Not only is "vincent" spelled with a capital "V" at the bttom and a lower case "v" on top. It also produly declares itself as an "AMPLFIER". Now that's some serious shit...I mean, it probably ranks #1 in the "AMPLFIER" tests of any serious high end audio magazine. Because stuff like Krell sits in the amplifier section. well, because, you know, the guys at Krell can not only build amplifiers, they can also spell...and they don't need to put the word amplifier (or AMPLFIER) on the front.
I chose Krell just as an prominent example, there are other great amplifiers out there.
Oh, yes, and you'll probably never find a Krell amplifier in a White Van Sale; it'll likely cost more than the van.
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Edit: wrote my comment before 10:20. The "product designer" can, actually, spell "AMPLIFIER" right, just only...half of the time.
I hope I didn't f*ck up *my* spelling, I am already drunkas well.
@@Dargonhuman that's a 10 year old's idea of drunkenness
@@Otie64 Do you even know what being drunk does to the brain? Cognitive abilities like speech and spelling are the first to be impacted. I know this for a fact because whenever my friends - who are much older that 10 years - drunk text me, they can't spell for shit. That's actually my first indication that they've been drinking as they have nearly perfect spelling and grammar when sober.
I cringed at the bar graph display.... It was clearly designed to operate in the opposite direction with eh red indicators at the top, yet the bars are going in reverse.....what an oversight!!!
Ikr the red was supposed to indicate max power.
Now now....it's the new Vincent design😉
I'm convinced that the NEC relay and those Nippon Chemi-Con and ELNA caps actually were genuine, they appeared to be recycled.
Exactly 💯
Fancy name, cheap crap components and sometimes filler weights? Sounds like Beats to me.
+Redhotsmasher It's funny when a set of Sennheiser earbuds for $80 sound WAY better than a $200 set of BEATS over the ear cans. lol
beats are like White van only Difference its legal
+James Elkins those products usually are Dirt cheap though
or Teufel/Bose
+krass76 you obviously bought the rip off version Bose... sorry
Imagine being called Marc Vincent and googling your name just to find out that your name basically means Scam on the entire internet world lol
Good point. Like the name Karen.
Funny how much this reminds me of beats by dre.
Eric Fixalot same scam, same quality. Best comment
Ha ha, thanks fam.
***** Yep, most of the cost just goes to advertising. :(
MidnightMarrow I could basically tell you what this video says, or you could just watch it and get back to me. (linking it in a separate reply just in case of spam filters)
Eric Fixalot .... totally agree people get so swept up in the image they forget it's the sound that matters and beats are total shit.... buy Sennheiser or akg..... beyerdynamic no contest.
I just got fucken scammed today. He said the same bs. They received an extra shipment of speakers with surround sound and a high tech projector. MSRP for the speakers were $2999 an the projector was $5999. I fell for it and gave the guy $300. I should've gotten with my gut decision but ended up persuaded. I tossed it in the trash. Lesson learned.
+John Yoo Sorry to hear. Yeah, lesson learned.
+John Yoo I find it hard to believe that anyone would think a business would take a $7700 hit on an $8000 MSRP. No offence, but you got what you had coming if you fell for that.
+Aurelius R I did ask for it. I have no one but to blame myself. Thanks for enlightening me though :)
Rudy Dondon Maybe you should turn that anger on yourself.
+Aurelius R well thank you sir for the advice.
They didn't solder the valves so you can easily replace them if one dies. They thought of everything. ;-)
i laughed so hard when a mate wanted to show me his new home theatre.. it was mark vincent. i looked at hime and asked how much. he said 600.. i said ya shoud of gone to the casino with it ya would of been better off. a day later he messaged me with his dissapointment.
haha Marc Vincent home theatre.
Cockblocker! He was happy with his purchase and you ruined it!
😂😂😂🤣🤣
My father fell for those cheap phone scams, "get a iShony xperia S6 for free but you have to pay a $30 tax!"
A java phone that start losing its buttons in a day and all he said to me was "it is made in our country"
I couldnt really explain to him, he knew it was crap and threw away anyway
They got my mother in a parking lot and talked her into buying two pairs of "high end" speakers that were "over-purchased" a few years back. I tracked them down within a couple of hors tailed them to their warehouse and I actually got her money back! I suppose it helped that I knew the owner of the building they were using as a warehouse/staging area.
I called that one a WIN. Even if it cost some time and gas, it was SATISFYING. Truly satisfying. . . yep
I am gonna go and gloat for a while
So You got the Money back AND kept the Speakers ?
Ill take shit that didnt happen for $200
And then everyone started clapping
@@K-Riz314 That scammer's name? Albert Einstein
nice bullshit story
I have been approached on two different occasions over the years from people trying to do this scam. Back then I drove a flashy sports car so it looked like I had a lot of money, I didn't really though since it all was invested in that damn car lol. Anyway it went down pretty much as you describe in this video. "Hey we have a bunch of left over high end gear from this installation job we did and the boss accidentally ordered to much stuff and now we have to get rid of it." The first time it happened I was pretty shocked as I was at a gas station fueling up said sports car. After I turned the guy down he got rather agitated and started to insult me calling me a "flea" for not wanting his obviously shit product. I saw him look over my shoulder at a police car pulling into the station and he promptly ended the conversation and jumped in his van and took off.
The second time it happened a guy approached me in a parking lot offering pretty much the same deal except he mentioned where they did the install and was at a place where I used to work and I still knew the boss. I told him I was going to call my old boss to verify if his claims were true or not and he jumped in his vehicle and sped off without saying a word.
Your name is very similar to Marc Vincent amp in this very video. I find it intriguing. :)
Calling Jan Michael Vincents!
Zucadragon airwolf!!
Sounds alot like Massdrop...
Horizon - they don't eat shit
The "Marc vincent" [sic] home theater system was sold here in the USA under the "Vanderbach" name, in the same cabinet but without the fake tubes/valves. Printed on the box is a fake MSRP of "$2699", and on one I've seen a hand-written price tag of $219.99. People are trying to sell them for over $1000 on eBay, probably thinking that "even that price is a great deal compared to the $2699 it's worth!". The box claims "Designed in USA", "No.1 in Germany", and "No.2 in Sweden".
For the most part, these speakers end up selling on Ebay for extremely low prices. Or quite often attract no bids at all.
You can find several reports on Ebay about these scam speakers, such as this one: www.ebay.co.uk/gds/Speaker-brands-to-avoid-usually-White-Van-types-/10000000004593870/g.html
I would never be able to drive alone with Dave. He has spoken what I cannot in a year, in just 38 minutes.
U spoke my mind bro, "silently" 😅
Those are recycled capacitors, you can see from the assorted glue colours.
Transformer core is a 35VA one, not going to work well at all if you want more than 30VA out of it. Plus is the copper is worth something.
SeanBZA Ah, I didn't notice the assorted glue colours. Makes sense! Bonus crap!
I highly doubt they are recycled, more like straight up counterfeits.
EEVblog *Fatality Epic Voice* "Bonus Crap" LOL
I was wondering about that. They looked to me like they'd have been pulls from salvaged goods that came into port from recyclers. Probably heaps of parts to pull from considering the vast quantities of gear going back over seas for processing.
29:40 Anybody noticed that they wrote "hout" instead of "hour".
I noticed that long ago.
apparently, 'r' & 't' are typo friendly neighbours!
The mixed capitals on Marc Vincent / Marc vincent made me chuckle.
And the missing 'i' in amplifier.
Most of chineese products have tons of mistakes in the instructions, some of them are google-translated. They even make a mistakes on the their brand name as a video shows. Nothing special. I have seen a lot of this.
Once I had been in a minor car crash and was bleeding slightly from the head. Had no way to get home.
White van pulls up. "Want to buy speakers".
"Yea sure".
Got a lift home, and suggested on the doorstep "I am a sound engineer... do we really need to get them out of the boxes and listen, or shall we just leave it here?".
They shook my hand "fair scam mate".
Where you been man? I've been repairing electronics for 47 years and half of it looks like what you got there.
I hear yah Robert, we share the same first handle and probably been at the cold end of the iron for too long! There used to be a few of those companies, MEI.. Pyramid.. they were car audio, but same group of idiots selling crap to the unsuspecting. I bet you don't say FREZNEL that way either! This dude's rip on what is more often what is actually out there than these guys know.. I bet he takes that Marantz apart and sees the same, excluding the "mains" connection because of obvious UL, CSA, and TUV certs.
I'll 'defend' the projector: "HDTV Ready" was plastered all over consumer devices that were capable of accepting 1080p signal, even if incapable of properly displaying it. That's why I flatly refused to buy any digital TV until I established the true resolution of the display panel.
Treknology im totally with you on that, i was looking at 4k 60hz tv, and a lot of them aren't actually 4k or 60hz
because you to look at the spec sheet to tell. cheap tv's have no hdmi 2.0 which can handle 4k at 60hz
Treknology I think HDTV ready means that they can display 720p. It was very common in the early 2000's. A lot of the early HD TV's were made with 1366×768 LCDs.
Before BluRay and such, when DVD was the best most people had, it was plenty.
Aℓαηтιc ƒℓαмє Same here. 3840 is NOT 4k and never will be. Within the Video industry, I pedantically separate "UHD" and "True-4k" as different products and yes, in high-end video production gear this IS a significant difference. The display I'm using right now is "True-2k" (2048) rather than the ordinary "full" HD (1920). On one of the cameras I'm currently considering, even the "eyepiece" is genuinely 1920*1080...
I should also point out that no video material is going to be 60Hz. At best it will be 30fps, and will only be displayed by a PC at a higher refresh rate. A properly mastered Blu-ray should be 24Hz (24 fps) equal to cinema and the TV will "refresh" this image by displaying it twice, to reduce flicker. In a standard cinema, each of the 24 frames per second is shown twice to reduce flicker (48Hz). The idea of 50 & 60Hz is, I think, a hang-over from the analog interlace days. If HD were being properly broadcast and displayed, then all TVs should be capable of displaying 96Hz (each frame shown four times). We need varying frequencies to remain backward compatible with PAL (25/50) and NTSC (30/60).
yeah 4k = 4096 x 2160
Treknology i'm not sure. that there aren't
yeah that 24fps refreshing twice is called 1080i
in all honesty tv's just need higher refresh rates in general. 144hz monitors do exist
and there is a noticeable difference between 30 hz and 144hz
+Treknology The only way to tell ofa camera's resolution for sure is to shoot a scene with a lot of high frequency content then take a frame and do a 2D Discrete Fourier Transform on the picture. If it's full resolution the center blob will extend fully to the frame edges including overscan.
Has far more ports than Apple anything these days.
If you need many ports, chances are high you're not part of Apple's main target
I had a few guys try this on my twice about 10 years ago. First time was at a Home Depot store in the US, the brand they were hocking was Olin Ross. I hadn't heard of the scam before and almost fell for it, even offered them $100 before a friend alerted me to what was going on. They surprisingly wouldn't accept my "low" offer anyway, despite it being a heck of a lot more than the $20 they sell for on eBay.
Second time was Paramax brand, and I wasn't so nice to the douchebag when he approached me a few months after the first attempt in the Burger King parking lot across the street from the Home Depot. I chased him off, but it almost came to blows when I called him out for his shittiness. The BK manager saw the whole thing unfold, and actually comped my meal for chasing the guy away, so it actually worked out in my favor.
My stepfather here in the US fell victim to this about a quarter of a century ago when he was duped into buying this massive pair of "Acoustic Research" speakers. Big, twelve inch poly woofers and the like, they looked ok. But, when I pulled one of them out there was no crossover, the magnet was tiny and you could see that the MDF was only about a cm thick. Junk.
I honestly thought it was gonna be a car stereo in a big box.
+Ripsometime that would be even better quality than whats actually in there.
I bought speakers from a shady dude in a white van who said they couldnt find the address they were supposed to deliver them to for $300. 25 years ago. Still have 'em and they're awesome!
Lol! Couldn't find the address!
Boris the Spider; And I worked in a music store in the 80’s that is still in business to this day. We sold vinyl. I run high end tube amps. I have heard many 6 figure stereo systems. I know what great sound....sounds like and I am going to double down on what I said: My white van speakers that live in my 1K sq ft man cave, still sound great to this day and they are now over 30 years old. Strange but true..
That’s just cope.
They probably sold you the genuine demo model by accident, got home, and still had the fake ones in the van. 🤪🤪🤪
I've had these guys approach me once off the street, it sounded suspicious from the get go... their excuse was they installed a home theatre system in a house and the shipping company sent them "2 by accident" and they need to get rid of it...... typical 2 guys in a white van. shady as, common sense really.
I got scammed in 1988 buying Acoustic Monitor speakers , 4 for $88 and they are still working and sounding good today!
I'm surprised they don't catch fire.
Jack Ridge they do catch fire they are garbage if you get one take it outside and duct tape a bunch of mortar fireworks and m 80 fireworks to it and blow it up because no one needs these pieces of garbage
That receiver is a fucking fire starter for sure
Friend cheaped out and bought a crappy projector on amazon. He came home one day and saw his wall one fire.
In the United Kingdom I would get arrested for theft if I take any items out of a "dumpster" without first seeking permission from the owner of the dumpster. Are the laws similar in Australia? I learnt the law when i was 17. I took a tv stand from a skip behind a shop. The police saw me later and asked where i got it from. I innocently said the skip. This resulted in a visit to magistrates court and a fine of £50. Back in 1984 that was nearly two weeks wages.
You sure do find some fantastic items.
I enjoy your videos and learn so much. Thank you.
Tangobaldy Technically speaking I do own this dumpster.
perhaps lease rather than own?
InXLsisDeo
But it's ok for the queen to heat her castles by stealing money allocated to helping poor people pay their heating bills.
EEVblog Also isn't a room that people just leave stuff versus a real dumpster? I've never seen you really "dumpster dive". :)
Cliff Hartle
At the end of this video, he said he had to actually get into the dumpster to fish the remote. He jumped in dumpsters a few times in past dives but most of the time, he does mostly pick up stuff that is just lying around.
The caps, relays etc. are used parts - They could very well be genuine!
dont expect nichicons - its all complete garbage
"Dumpster quality gear" woah woah woah. I'm a college student, my hi-fi setup is entirely built from actual dumpster gear and is certainly better than this trash
😂😂😂 it's an insult to dumpster gear.
If they're lying about the quality of the product, that falls under the file of false advertising, which IS illegal and is grounds for prosecution.
MrNotorius5500 However the one that lies is the guy from the "white van", showing you fake details and perhaps driving a rented car. Tracking the guy down would be much more expensive than the money you paid for the product and in the end you catch just one of the lowest level workers that may even be misinformed. It is simply not worth it for the police.
Telhias Sometimes it's about the principal and not about how much more money it would cost you though.
MrNotorius5500 No it's not because if fast food says their burgers taste good and they suck it's not false advertising it's opinion
MrNotorius5500 That is why this is a SCAM and you literally have no way to get your money back
Littlebethlehem Taste is subjective. Specs of a product are testable. Saying a product has feature X when it does not is against the law. ATI found this out in ~2006 when they claimed their cards were HDCP ready when in fact they were not.
That large transistor on the heat sink has a stylized SK that's the San Ken logo. They're a well known Japanese semiconductor manufacturer. Whether they're genuine or not I wouldn't hold my breath.
Marcon caps? Those haven't been manufactured since the early 90s I believe. I think Chemicon bought them out.
Somebody forget to run spell check on the lamp cover? Wait for one hout :-).
All of it is mostly recycled parts.
And I thought I had problems buying Volvo parts only to find out that they were junkyard pulls !!!!!!!!!!!
FreshCoffeeParts Skip the middle man and go get your parts from the junkyard yourself. You can get great deals and it's pretty satisfying
HAR HAR You try finding an S60 Volvo in the wreckers yard. They last for years and the wreckers now pick, pull, sort and sell the parts in pieces rather than letting us parts jackers into their yards.
I was dumpster diving behind factories many years ago and lately the finds are getting thinner and thinner.
Best places to pick up curbside material is in the more gentrified neighbourhoods.
When I saw that marcon cap I immediately thought of the old Montgomery ward microwave board that I have
wow, what a POS that amp/sub was!, horrific.
I did a tear-down on a large LCD TV of similar build quality some time ago, I honestly thought somebody had hacked one together in their back yard out of scraps, but nope it was a factory built!
At least the projector was not a total POS probably good for kids parties, random presentations and other work that you would not haul an expensive high end projector out for!
Here in Canada people don't put this staff in the dumpster. They either sell it at the garage sale for a buck or two or leave it on the curbside so someone less fortunate or just adventurous can take it home and make some use of it.
at 29:46 the label says "wait for one hout until the lamp cools down"
Yes, hout not hour
beat you to it :D
HAHAHAHA
I knew someone that fell for the van scam speakers back in college and thought he was hot sh*t for a couple hours until they blew up. I had to be the one to let him know he got scammed and since I didn't like him at all (he was a major douche bag), I laughed my ass off right in his face. Probably one the best days I had that year. :)
Ribbon cables and smaller gauge speaker lines are quite common for chassis wiring.
That sub driver is not that bad at all either. Paper still has very good parameters in the world of driver design. Stabbing it means nothing. The driver could use a larger magnet but the voice coil is not all that bad for the power.
I agree. Stabbing it was just vandalism, sorry Dave.
No evidence here that it's Dave's property, is there?
jeabo0adhd And that's not chip board. Its MDF which has low resonance and is used in allot of high end $,$$$ speakers.
They made bank a few years ago going around college campuses. But since I’m an actual electrical engineer with audio engineering as my niche I took them in a hell of a ride for a few hours.
Aren't there laws against false advertising?
t0f0b0 Yes, but you need the proof.Your word against theirs.
Nobody sues fast food joints either even though the burgers never look as good as the pictures...
scam artists don't obey the law.
A: He said it was FullHD and that it was ultra high quality brand
B: No i didnt, i said t was HTTV Ready (like it says in the case) and that it looked nice in my opinion. We were selling them cheap because the boxes were opened.
A: You said you were going to some exposition
B: Never said that. That exposition doesnt even exist.
and so on.
either one could be lying so the case gets dismissed. Illegal or not, there's no way to prove they were scammers even though it's obvious. Obvious stuff means nothing because witches were obviously evil, so unless you get a hidden cam and record their selling speech like dave said, their word vs yours.
Robert Calk Jr.
There is a difference between the components not being able to even possibly match up to what they claimed and having an individual, hand assembled, product not look exactly like the picture. Especially when, every now and then, somebody cares enough to actually produce and hand you the good looking sandwich.
If it makes these claims on the box, or at an official website that is still in use, it seems like it would be easy to make the case that they are committing fraud.
Would it be possible to mod these to make them decent?
Oh Hi Larry, you're an engineer too?!
the heat sink might be the only thing worth using.lol.
boyercam
nah, i suck at things like that. i was just interested really!
***** Are you subscribed to every channel on youtube :P
boyercam
Noooo, I fucking despise 99% of Let's Play channels.
OMG dude i like your review but please stop repeating yourself...I got it the first 20 times you said scam, I really just wanna see you tear it apart.
I agree, way too aggressive demeanor
That Marc Vincent's got the same VFD as my Plardin TU-1500 AM/FM tuner!
Those components are likely genuine but just recycled. Overall it's not as bad as you're making out. The same quality would be sold under known brand names in normal retail outlets. The only scam is that these guys in the van are overinflating the prices to stupid figures.
V T yeah this is not much different than a Logitech system.
@@ryantoomey611 Logitech 5.1 cost 50usd what you expect? I still bet Logitech will play better than this because it can play better than most TV's
Nah... no one dumps stuff like that in that state.
He was scamed!!! and said he found them on the trash.....
These scams are still around. There are people selling Granger Bessel systems in my area.
Ryan Toomey lol bruh someone tried selling me that shit. They retail for thousands but theyll be cool to take 100$
RalphyPlague yep because if they go back to the office their boss will just keep it, but they wont take a free $50 they need the $100 or they will just give it to thier boss
Ryan Toomey Time to purge them from your area Ryan....You know what to do. You know what to do!
I remember when someone tried to sell me something like that.
It was a seven eleven parking lot. A fat dude with bad grammar in a lambo pulled up and tried to sell me some headphones. I saw the side of the actual headphones. *They said Beats.*
YOU FOUND THAT MARANTZ SR4001 IN THE DUMPSTER?!?!?!? Who the hell would ditch that thing? they go for 200-300€ second hand where i live, and back in the day they where pretty good, not "high-end" or anything, but better than most thinks you see around.
The projector looks like they reverse engineered a decent older design, from a decent basic company, and then built it using cheaper components.
The caps on the Marc Vincent, could be genuine. A lot of old electronics goes to China for recycling, and I wouldn't be surprised to see decent pieces like capacitors, resistors and the such being reused, in cheap gear.
On your second point, that was my thinking as well. The printing on the bigger electrolytics (and the vent at least on the Elnas) seems right, relative to typical fakes (though there might be a few, ahem, 'Rulycons' in the back there).
Repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
This comment is correct.
Blathering on for half the video then saying he won't spend the time to tear it down.
Very true..
Thanks SKipping this video
Combined with a maniac's nerdy laughter. I would like this more if he explained things carefully and understandable, than just making a show off.
I've been approached a few times, I always assumed they were stolen.
29:36 wait for one *hout* until the lamp cools down.
.power amplfier
had one of these guys pull up and ask me at the liquor store. i was like... nah guy, scam me on craigslist... i may make stupid impulse purchases but never out of a van
Some guys got me with this about 25 years ago. What they said is, "The order was supposed to be four speakers and we got 4 pair". The brand name matched a different high brand. Got me for $300.
Got me for $350 today.
I fell for this 25 years ago. Funny thing is, I am still using those $150 speakers on a daily basis. Not too bad of a buy :) to this day, I still feel dumb, but it could have been worse.
Man, the word "amplifier" in the front is misspelled, this should raise some warnings in your head (and I am not even a native English speaker)!
542 people got an amazing bargain in a motorway car park.
The white van guys sure don't like this video! 30 years ago I was at a stoplight and the guy in front of me got out and came to my window asking if I wanted to buy speakers. lol. These days someone coming up to your door a lot worse is probably going to happen.
4:07 Actually, some of these White Van Speakers actually ARE filled with concrete
The projector is better than the ones they use in schools
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
Reid Taylor my school own the smart company. .real nice company
Don't some really good public schools or private schools use those epson 3lcd projectors?
haha! So true!
@@lubu9209 the touch feature on those is absolute garbage.
9:12 "AMPLFIER" - they couldn't even spell "amplifier" right on the front of the product.
Produces an AMPLE amount of FIRE.
My white van experience was the guys pulled up and said "They got the customers order wrong and bought too much stuff and the customer doesn't want it so we need to get rid of this extra equipment. I replied that's called conversion. Its illegal. You are selling the property of your employer when the customer is returning it. That's illegal" They drove off...
Not getting it. Almost everything is chipboard. Looks like half inch, which is standard for ALL subwoofers. You are knocking the transformer, but have you seen the transformer in most newer Sony, or Pioneer amplifiers... absolute crap. At least that is a torroid.... and the subwoofer actually had a magnet that looks like it should have some throw. By no means am I saying it's good, but for $50-$100 max... it's not a horrible deal.
I agree
+Wapn Perfo
Chipboard (particle board) and MDF (medium density fiberboard) are completely two different things. Real subwoofers are made out of MDF. Nothing wrong with MDF. You are an idiot.
Wapn Perfo Am I a moron because I know a lot more than you? Fuck you!
+Raffie Quler there are also rly good speakers made of particle board
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Trolling again? Please name one good quality manufacturer that uses particle board. Idiot.
Anyone can explain to me... what is the point of going trough all of that trouble to make a shit stuff? Wouldn't it be smarter to scale down the operation and for the same investment manufacture actually good stuff? That business would work long term. This one is unsustainable. But correct me if I'm wrong.
It would be smarter yes, but the guys doing this aren't. Shortsighted idiots come up with short term idiot plots.
The scammers are in america or australia and everything electronic now comes from china. China can do everything, exept cheaper. The only exeption are professional or super high end electronics. And these require huge investments, highly payed professionals and a good brand. The scammers are a bunch of criminals without any education, they could never profitably produce good electronics in a 1st world country.
I don't want to sound conspiranoic, but big brands would benefit from this.
Scamming people is VERY sustainable.
This scam has been going on for generations.
(And remember : The people making that projector probably don't feel like they're scamming anybody. There's an honest market for cheapo $200 projectors. The scammer is the guy who slaps a fancy made-up brand-name on it, and pretends it's worth $5000.)
Wow, again you're supporting them. Sounds like you sell fake shit yourself.
Has anybody counted how many time this guy say awful ?
+transformer889 awful counter: 48
Honestly I'd rather hear someone say awful or wow 1000x , then every other word being a cuss word.
That projector is not too bad. It seems like it's a little old as electronics that uses a HD ready just means that they were able to accept an HD signal. There were HD ready products sold there were only enhance definition or not full 1080p. Remember, 720 is still HD. It's just not full hd.
The woofer looked OK - how big was the voice coil/suspension/magnet structure at the rear?
@@filthylucreonyoutube
That "cover" (dustcap) is almost always bigger than the voice coil itself, especially on subwoofer drivers. For obvious thermal and airflow reasons. Nothing fake about it at all. You don't seem to know much about speaker design.
Filthy Lucre 🤦♂️ how to fail explaining voice coil sizes well done
I think I'm being scammed into watching a 40-minute video that could have been finished in five minutes. Man this guy doesn't shut up!
I agree , this guy must be so stubborn IRL
I fully agree!
No shit, he keeps repeating the same talking points over and over and over and over and over. FUCK!
He rants too much you're right
Gary dP I think wife ran off with a Chinese dude
Scams like that are very common here in the Philippines but they are not inside a white van. They're inside shopping malls and the sales men tells you to scratch a coupon and if you win (all coupons are winner) they will give you a price. But there is a catch. They will only give you the price if you buy their product worth this amount. But they cost around ten times as much compared to other well known brands. The most common is the induction cooker which they amazes consumers about its property by boiling water while there are papers between the metal pot and the stove and the water boils without burning the paper. I think it's legal here because they thrive in shopping malls. What you said at 5:08 also applies here.
I took a job years ago here in Nashville that said they were doing audio/video install. When I got there it was this. I did it for 2 weeks and I was out. Trying to sell speakers from a van at a traffic light is crazy. You are 100% spot on on how this works. Good video.
6:27 What, paying a grand for something that cost $100 to make is exactly how all products are sold today, isn't it?
cost of production is a small percentage of what we should be paying anyway
Pretty much Ebay on wheels
Exactly
+Baby Nuts It's Ebay in a car, not Craig lists
Baby Nuts Craigslist isn't a driving van, it's a list of people selling stuff
+Baby Nuts Craigslist is the online equivalent of yard sales and only has local listings. Ebay sells internationally, and is full of scam wares like this.
Hmm. Just a nitpick, I think you meant "lux", not "lumens" at 26:30 or so. 200-400 lux is a typical brightness for an office space.
For anyone who doesnt know: lux (lx) is a measure of radiance per unit area while lumens are a measure of total radiance output by a specific device. They're the visual sensitivity weighted counterparts to W/m^2 and just plain watts.
Notice how uve got one like, thats cuz no one cares...
AymBro You kinda should though. Lux and lumens are completely and utterly different.
It was probably a mistake on his part, but mistakes on the part of teachers turn into misunderstandings on the part of students.
Misunderstandings on the part of engineers turn into iPhones.
-.-
AymBro Class act. I take it you're one of the ones that didn't know the difference between lumens and lux. Probably don't know the difference between near field and far field either, do ya?
You're one of those morons who buys CoolerMaster products, aren't you? Your POS rig was probably worth half what you paid for it before you even had it assembled. Mine cost me $250 and probably has at least twice the power.
Also, uh, you might want to put some stuff on private. I don't think people who live in minecraft houses need to be throwing stones at those who watch anime.
Sure you want to try another four letter word, plebeian?
The roasting is real, but incorrect. just shows how much free time you have lol, Play outside trust me ull like it better then the basement
AymBro I just got done cutting down a shitload of trees with 3 separate chainsaws today and burning them. What was it that you did again?
Oh yeah, you made that one comment at 1:16 AM. High point of your day, I'm sure.
Also, the roasting was real and correct. Maybe you don't even know wtf it is you have? Kinda sad.
I'm sure there's something in there for you to make a "clever" "response" to.
How much? jackmeat, How much did you pay for the double set? You know that we know , you didn't find them in a dumpster. How much did you pay? 'Nobody goes thru this big ol' ordeal about crap they find in a dump." Mr. I know everything about audio " got slammed and fell for a DOUBLE set. Did you give the extra $20 for a case of beer?
That lamp in there looks like a standard 70w RX7 metal halide lamp as used in commercial floodlights! They are about 5600 lumens and only have 60-70% colour rendering!
FrontSideBus To be fair.. most projectors suck on their colour rendering. Apart from cinemas, I've never ever seen a nice projector in my life.
***** 3 chip DLP technology, xenon light source and the colour reproduction will be good.
Most projectors have a proper super pressure Mercury lamp in a compact parabolic reflector. Much more luminous intensity and far better colour.
*****
I had a very nice 8mm projector years ago, got better color quality than anything recent.
BillyJoe1305 if you still had it, take a look at it, most of the time they just had a 12v halogen bulb inside. Ironically, halogen bulbs have a near-100% CRI. On small projectors, you can get away with using halogen. Larger projectors would need higher light-output, that'd burn the film lol.
Mark Vincent: "V" is capitalized on bottom logo plate, "v" lower case on the upper.
The quality went in before the name went on...
You’re dating yourself.....
Noticed the same. At least instantly tells that Marc Vincent definitely isn't any high quality brand :-)
Old Zenith slogan?
Fivos Sakellis -yes. From the 1960’s...
Some interesting stuff but you don't half waffle on. I think you describe the nature of the scam 5 times in the first 10 minutes.
It should be illegal to use materials and produce ewaste for stuff that nobody can be proud of.
I was 18 and fell for a set of JVC car speakers.
Japanese Victory Components
...sigh
Same with cheap Pioneer. Bought myself to receivers of that brand. Looked quite similar from the outside. Opened them, one ful of electronics, the cheaper model looked like a 5 dollar alarm-clock radio. Did some google research and learned that die higher Pioneer component of that era had embossed logo's the cheaper units printed logo's. The printed logo series have been, I assume completely overpriced back then. JVC the same, a lot of quality difference between high end and the cheaper sets, like every brand I assume.
A long time ago, someone was trying to sell me some car speakers he claimed were JVC-brand. He had either been scammed, wanted to scam me, or didn't know how to properly read, because when I checked the driver units, the sticker said "JBC". Of course I didn't get them.
@@DarthEquus Yes JBL and JVC
@@markdm5415 They said "JBC". Not JBL or JVC.
@@DarthEquus it was a joke
good video...i actually almost got had several years ago...packaging is a big thing they use. It seems dumb thinking about it now but these normal looking dudes pulled up in a truck, same basic story you outlined, for what ever reason I thought the boxes they came in made them seem legit, they were heavy like you said. The only thing that got me was I was basically broke at the time and they used the line, "if you go to the atm over there what could you realistically get out?" and
I half jokingly said 50 bucks(they were asking like 200 saying system was worth 800) and they were willing to take it. Something just clicked and I said I'll pass guys. Then they did the whole why not? whats wrong? wanna hook it up? Which finally made my slow brain realize this was all scam.
I thoroughly enjoyed this Dave! Non stop laughter here. Please do more crap teardowns... Love your videos
A much more thorough and professional review of these "things" than they deserve. Great video!
HDMI of this projector: Highly Disappointing Multimedia Interface
That driver is actually nice! Also that projector is a FAVI entertainment junk projector.
You know, I have actually found two of these systems. PLEASE NOTE: I did not pay a single cent for them. I got them from the dump! One was a Harmann by Volk Technology Labs. The other one was made by Genesis Media Labs. Both were crap. The Genesis one actually, unbelievably had a nice woofer. It was a 100Watts 8 Ohms not close to the 800Watts 4 Ohms claimed by the website. Also it claimed 350Watt into all surround channels, Nope I had it connected to Panasonic 60Watts MAX 30Watts RMS speakers and never even got them to RMS!! The Harmann never worked!! I plugged it in and all I got was a light flashing "BT Working" also it had NO buttons on the front!
Also what did you do with that projector? Just wondering.
Joshua's Recordings Even a lot of big-name brands will up the wattage on their speakers, though. It's a really bad part of audio industry, inflation of wattages. After all, no one believes you when you tell them 10W is a sufficient amount to penetrate the entire street, and that most of the time your speakers are running at 1W or below lol
***** Yea, I know about the PMPO output. Samsung uses it all the time! Though I don't believe about like say MTX saying they have a 500Watt woofer that can only handle 10W. I have done calculation with my true RMS multimeter and found that the amps but out close to what are rated. Like my FISHER from the 80's put out 30Volts into 8 Ohms that is 112.5Watts, the amp is rated at 120Watts per channel. Also my Sony subwoofer amp put out 306.25Watts or 35Volts into 4 Ohms. It is rated at 320Watts per channel into 4 ohms or 500Watts per channel into 2 Ohms. So I am pretty sure something is wrong with your assumption that all brands overrate their amps!
Joshua's Recordings Although you're not giving that much info on your readings, I will assume that when a power-amplifier is outputting its absolute maximum voltage, it will not be able to produce a sine wave. Distortion becomes a really big issue. You can open up your amplifiers, there'll be TDA chips and STK chips in them, those manufacturers rate their outputs at 10% distortion, which (subjectively) is bullshit for listening to music.
I will admit I'm being bold when stating that all manufacturers overrate their wattages, I will hold firm that these ratings can either not be maintained for extended periods of times due to thermal design issues, or they will have so much distortion that it becomes unusable as a musical amplifier.
pretty sweet amps you have, though
***** Thanks. Though actually I use these amps like all the way up, I use the FISHER to play music outside, it also has a wattage meter that I found pretty accurate. Also I have it driving a modified KOSS speaker with a PUNCH 200Watt subwoofer, and it will drive that speaker pretty hard without audible distortion. Trust me, I can here distortion and it drives me crazy. Also I could get more out of the Sony but I only have a 32Amp power supply driving it, (it is a car amp) so I do get some distortion out of it. Also I do open up amplifiers, I constantly open up almost everything, just look at my channel. Also most of my amps are direct transistor output and are rated at .05% total THD to rated output. Except the one in my bedroom with is a class D, I think TDA.
So yea, I like direct transistor amps much more that TDA or STK (digital amplifiers (Class D or E)).
***** I guarantee Pioneer underrate the power of their amps. Don't buy shite, or at least when you do...expect shite.
Isn't it possible that the parts you see that you say can't be genuine (e.g. the capacitors) are in fact genuine, and recycled? By hand...
Nah, Dave makes up his mind before he reviews anything. No matter what he sees, he just goes with what he has decided beforehand. Yes, this is clearly a cheaply made stereo, no doubt it's from a scam company, but some of the details he's just making shit up as he goes because it's from China.
Like when he's making fun of the soldering and layout on the back... it actually looks pretty well-done, the layout at least. But he'd never admit that because it goes against his pre-determined judgement that this thing is garbage.
I work in an electronics repair shop in Canada.
We see this stuff all the time. The stuff is barely built to work at all. All the specs are false, and in the case of the projectors you're lucky if they don't burn your house down.
You will see that the brand name changed every few years, as different lawyers are trying to chase them down. Their websites claim this are high end items (it's really funny when they say the MSRP on the projectors is over $5000), yet all the links on the page don't go anywhere, there is no support, no warranty and no where to send them to get them repaired (if they even work in the first place).
Projector says "wait one hout" on that warning label instead of Hour lol
eff yoo Damn - I missed this comment by 8 houts :(
I'm white and I do not approve of these products.
what on earth does being white have to do with this?
Wow!!! This has been going on since the 1980's!!! Used to be speakers "from a club install where we ordered too many of these giant speakers"🤣
There's dust inside the projector, maybe it's an old one with a lot of use and that's why it's so dim?
People who make money on this garbage really piss me off. I've had these white vans approach me on many occasions (in Canada) and I usually laugh at them, but one time I needed a ride, so I told them to bring me to the bank around 10km away where I was going and when we got there I said seeya later suckers lol
Love the OUTATIME license plate and the LEGO DeLorean! :P
Why would the Marantz be in the Dumpster?
uriituw No idea. Haven't fully tested yet, but maybe not enough HDMI inputs for a modern system?
iEugene1994 Yeah, I'd love to see some teardowns of "audiophile" equipment.
Justin Bell Yeah, me too!
Justin Bell You can already. There are loads of videos and pictures online of various hi-fi equipment internals. You usually get what you pay for, big and famous companies like Marantz with decades of experience don't get their reputation by scamming people.
Maybe it was formerly owned by whoever upgraded to the Marc Vincent.
Next time try finding a Marantz or a B&O in a dumpster. Might last a bit finding one but as well worth trying.
you need to wait for one hout man