The one thing I'll give Wertham is that by 1948 comic strip reprints probably no longer made up the majority of comic books. Beyond that though I think Capp did a good job of illustrating the difference between correlation and causation.
And the morons who make up the evangelical right are STILL blaming comic books and video games and horror movies when a kid breaks laws. Those pathetic buffoons will look for any scapegoat to divert from society's REAL problems. It's easier for lazy, self-righteous parents to point fingers than it is to be an actual parent.
😎Hey Alex , my bell notification hasn't been working right. I've heard both episodes with Dr Wertham ; this one entitled : The Schmoo and the previous one entitled The Comics : Not So Funny. Al Capp creator of my #1 favorite comic strip Li'l Abner as well as Abbie & Slats (Raeburn Van Buren artist) and Long Sam (Bob Lubbers artist). Despite being a Capp fan I did and still do agree with the Dr. There was a documentary done sometime in the 1970s that had merchants or their survivors talking about strong arm comic book / magazine sales practices such as the Dr mentions. Capp states that syndicates censored comic strips which isn't really true if one looks at the creators he speaks of such as Milton Caniff who offered plenty of not so subtle sexiness among other things and Chic Young with Blondie sleeping in the same bed as Dagwood on many Sunday pages. We all know that DC , Marvel , Charlton and others had criminal interactions which in certain cases carried over into the content of material published. There's a book entitled Pulp Empire which goes into the history of government involvement with comic books that manufactured racism among other sordid activities. 😎Hoping my bell works for your next episode Alex ; I'll just keep checking the channel each week😄!
Alex 😃 Wow, very interesting and entertaining exchange, although it makes me curious as to what the actual facts are underlying the opposing arguments! Al Capp came across as very likable!👍
This was great! Thanks. Wortham really had his head up his rear on this subject. Objectively wrong on every count. Just nonsense pseudo-psychology & non stop virtue signaling with NO basis in fact. You can tell it was all about the grandstanding and moral pontificating for him. Just another quack catering to lazy parents looking for a quick and easy scapegoat.
He’d still be talking about hip hop or grunge or computer games or superhero movies or streaming…. There’ll always be someone to blame. The guy was a crackpot.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Wertham made up his figures for Seduction of the Innocent and pulled them out of his ass, he was notable for nearly destroying the comic book industry and putting EC Comics out of business more than anything else.
Oh really? Is that why they and every other comics publisher have dropped the Comics Code? It's a sweet and fitting irony that the CCA seal is only being used by the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund these days.
I wonder what Wertham would think about tucker wanting to raw dog the green M&Ms just because she was in high heels? He knows a thing or two about sexual deviants & that's about as sick as you can get.
@@VomitPinata “Children know where to look for the sweet spot.” “Melts in your mouth, Not in your hands.” Wertham would have had a field day with M&Ms.
The one thing I'll give Wertham is that by 1948 comic strip reprints probably no longer made up the majority of comic books. Beyond that though I think Capp did a good job of illustrating the difference between correlation and causation.
I'm glad that Dr. Wertham was able to end juvenile delinquency in the mid 20th century. Al Capp did a great job showing the absurdity of this man.
Or brilliance.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Bollocks, Capp showed us a man who was incapable of considering any viewpoint outside of his own.
And the morons who make up the evangelical right are STILL blaming comic books and video games and horror movies when a kid breaks laws. Those pathetic buffoons will look for any scapegoat to divert from society's REAL problems. It's easier for lazy, self-righteous parents to point fingers than it is to be an actual parent.
Yeah Capp and Lennon, than Capp and the Goldie Hawn and Grace Kelly accusations. That's why we don't here about Li'l Abner no more.
😎Hey Alex , my bell notification hasn't been working right. I've heard both episodes with Dr Wertham ; this one entitled : The Schmoo and the previous one entitled The Comics : Not So Funny. Al Capp creator of my #1 favorite comic strip Li'l Abner as well as Abbie & Slats (Raeburn Van Buren artist) and Long Sam (Bob Lubbers artist). Despite being a Capp fan I did and still do agree with the Dr. There was a documentary done sometime in the 1970s that had merchants or their survivors talking about strong arm comic book / magazine sales practices such as the Dr mentions. Capp states that syndicates censored comic strips which isn't really true if one looks at the creators he speaks of such as Milton Caniff who offered plenty of not so subtle sexiness among other things and Chic Young with Blondie sleeping in the same bed as Dagwood on many Sunday pages. We all know that DC , Marvel , Charlton and others had criminal interactions which in certain cases carried over into the content of material published. There's a book entitled Pulp Empire which goes into the history of government involvement with comic books that manufactured racism among other sordid activities. 😎Hoping my bell works for your next episode Alex ; I'll just keep checking the channel each week😄!
Wortham may have won the battle against the comic books but he would never lose the war against the internet
Alex 😃 Wow, very interesting and entertaining exchange, although it makes me curious as to what the actual facts are underlying the opposing arguments! Al Capp came across as very likable!👍
He did which is interesting because his famous exchange with John Lennon almost twenty years later has a very different legacy.
@@ComicBookHistorians Exploring the reality of the past can be fascinating!
Awful great audio for 1948!! The best I have heard from the 40's
Would we have Stan Lee and Marvel Comics of the 1960s?
This was great! Thanks. Wortham really had his head up his rear on this subject. Objectively wrong on every count. Just nonsense pseudo-psychology & non stop virtue signaling with NO basis in fact. You can tell it was all about the grandstanding and moral pontificating for him. Just another quack catering to lazy parents looking for a quick and easy scapegoat.
Imagine if Wertham lived to see the internet...
He’d still be talking about hip hop or grunge or computer games or superhero movies or streaming…. There’ll always be someone to blame. The guy was a crackpot.
Fredric Wertham was right and a prophet, especially about Batman and Robin. DC agrees.
William M. Gaines was right,
Wertham was a huckster.
@@cha5 Wertham was 99% right and a prophet. The media is a sewer.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Wertham made up his figures for Seduction of the Innocent and pulled them out of his ass, he was notable for nearly destroying the comic book industry and putting EC Comics out of business more than anything else.
Fredric Wertham was right and a prophet, especially about Batman and Robin. DC agrees.
Oh really? Is that why they and every other comics publisher have dropped the Comics Code?
It's a sweet and fitting irony that the CCA seal is only being used by the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund these days.
I wonder what Wertham would think about tucker wanting to raw dog the green M&Ms just because she was in high heels? He knows a thing or two about sexual deviants & that's about as sick as you can get.
@@VomitPinata “Children know where to look for the sweet spot.”
“Melts in your mouth, Not in your hands.”
Wertham would have had a field day with M&Ms.