Why I stopped using Stihl chainsaws
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2018
- Not trying to pick a fight or claim to be an expert but I am no longer a Stihl chainsaw man.
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Echos are a Japanese brand and Japan is know for high quality due to their perfectionist culture.
I in the past year, I converted from Stihl to Echo. Not picking a fight, just sharing my story. I had a old Stihl 036 pro and a ms310. Both were good saws, and never had a problem. Bought my dad a MS 250, and he had starting issues, and when I looked for smaller saw for me, I decided to try a Echo CS 400, and WOW! What a great 40cc saw, starts great, cuts through larger stuff than what I should have put it in, and I was so impressed, I bought the CS590 Echo Timberwolf...........and holy crap! It smoked my larger Stihl saws in power and speed of cut. That saw is a beast. Starts easy. I sold both of my Stihls and my dad sold his and bought both a 400 and a 590 too. End of story.
The echo are more reliable than the stihl.
I now have an Echo Cs400 and love it
The chicken interruption was hilarious hehe
As a Stijl tech, I can say from my experience most times a unit fails is because the owner doesn’t maintain the equipment.
I agree with you Donald I got a Stihl saw from my dad that he got from my great uncle they didnt maintain it much if at all i took it over and its great its its older than i am
I also agree that it’s the way a machine is maintained. Stihl makes a superior product!
Stihl tech you mean? can't even spell the name of your own brand??
I switched to Husqvarna Xp saws years ago and never looked back . I have 2 372xps 1 288xp a 390xp and a 395xp and never had a problem with any of them .
@@Bigmike3406E xp's r the way to go. I'd buy a xp any day of the week over a free anything..even stihl... a little pricey. But they don't come with lots of or any for that matter, complaints...even over long periods of time...
One thing that I have started doing is buying non-ethanol fuel. It helps a heap.
Non-ethanol is the key for smooth operation of all small engines. It got to where I could take apart the carbs on my saw, outboard motors, motor scooter, ATV, and generator and put them back together blindfolded. (Well, almost.) Switched to non-ethanol a few years ago and haven't touched a carb since, except to clear the high-speed jet on my Stihl exactly once.
You hit the nail on the head. That 10% ethanol in regular fuel is corrosive and ruins fuel systems if they sit for a long time.
Your gonna find out soon enough that non ethanol ain't enough. It's bad engineering. Here's the first sign of good quality going to shit: Think back to when anything of good quality started going down hill and what was directly associated with it. It's the introduction of good machinery into "Big Box Stores". Ace Hardware has just recently started carrying Stihl. Gone to shit. Just be mindful of other things that have and will take that path.
This is true for ALL small engines....no matter the equipment. That ethanol gums up everything.
That is so further from the truth you guys are all passing "bad" ethanol info. Gasoline all by itself can go bad. Gasoline doesn't need any help from ethanol to go bad because gasoline goes bad all by itself just by sitting there. I purchased my home in 2002 and everyone of my original small engines (Honda weed whacker, Honda riding lawn mowers, California trimmer, Ryobi blower, Troybilt shredder, Honda 20" lawn mower, Honda power washer, Ryobi rear tine tiller) carry left over gas through the winter period including the entire 15% of ethanol that supposedly wrecks your small engine equipment. In most cases I start all of the above with the 1st pull yeah including the Troybilt shredder with a Kohler engine. I stop using my lawn equipment for all of approximately 6 months from about November to and through to April or May and have not had any problems with any of my garden equipment where ethanol would be the culprit.
You guys are getting your information anecdotally from other gasoline opinions here on youtube and none of them are true because they are like yours all made up. You guys don't know squat about ethanol and shame on your for blasting your mouth off and passing information not based on facts.
I have an Echo cs500evl that I've had for 25 or so years. Before that it was my step dad's who bought it new in 1982. It's the only saw I've ever owned. I've cut all my heating wood with it for years and even logged with it for several years. I use both 16 and 20 inch bars.
I've had a Stihl chainsaw for about four years, and I've had to repair it several times, for the money I expected more from it, you're right about the quality these days.
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9 times out of 10 that a stihl saw diesnt work it is cause it is not taken care of
@@CalebJesse2007 Mine 661 experienced got a problem with ignition coil twice before with original parts bought from stihl dealer, broke a clutch spring once, and got a problem with idle timing which has been fixed by replacing m tronic solenoid.. so how this can be "taken care" to avoid this type of costly problem ? isn't that the quality of the parts issue ?
@@harisyoung4110 What kind of work were you doing with the 661, and how long everyday were you doing it?
@@CalebJesse2007 i do arborist and logging.. 661 not too frequent being use, it has 32inch bar on it, so i only use it to cut big tree.. lot of the time the smaller ms250 are being use.
I've got an Echo 309 and 310 cutting wood way too big for the saws but just keep going , I will upgrade next year to a bigger Echo I'm completely sold on them
I've had my Stihl 041 for 38 years and still cut a couple of cords a year. Never a problem.
I had one of those back in the day. Very fast.
0 series were good... ms series is junk
@@JourneyNorthAK Nah' their all scream for me'026' ms201' ms261' ms390' ms362' ms461 // one coil went out of one' bout it //
@@JourneyNorthAK I've been using Stihl saw's almost 20 years, Ms250 and Ms251, never had any reliability issues, great saw's.
STIHL is the saw!!!
I'd definitely get an Echo saw. I've had one of their straight shaft trimmers almost 18 years and it's been flawless!! Highly recommend!
I used echo for 20 as a professional arborist and never had an issue with them ever. I tried the other so called best saws and always went back to echo. I loved them and they never seem to die. ever.
I've got a couple of them, a 40 and a 60 and love them. Cut about 6 cords a year with them.
@@sunnydays4966 Home Depot does sell Echo but there are a lot of Echo dealers who sell them for the same price. Way better to get them from a dealer
I have several echo products and they work great with very little maintenance
I have been running a saw pretty regular for 27 years at work. We used to use husqvarna and they worked ok. We changed to Stihl for around 6 or 7 years and always had problems. The last few years we use echo and I love them.
Echo makes great chainsaws. Owned CS-440 for years and still in top shape
Echo's are very well made and I was happy on how it performed until it was stolen.
This happens in EVERY consumer product. Large companies like Stihl have people who find ways to cut costs in manufacturing and a newer company to the market (Echo) makes sales because they have reduced profit to take a share of the market.
Yep
Echo is very old
They're actually making a come back
Ive had echo chainsaws for years for commercial use ,best saws I've ever had ,but there again it's what you expect with anything out of the land of the rising Sun.
Always run premium non ethanol gas. Saws always run awesome with premium oil too
I love my Echo. Mine chainsaw is smaller than yours. It's a fickle to start if you don't know how to start it. It cuts like a beaver and I can cut whatever size tree I encounter.
I have a 039 sthil it’s been a good one still using it my dad bought a new saw 3 years ago and nothing but problems we been sthil family for years I bought a echo just like yours for a pinch saw now I use the echo all the time I love it
For my 15th birthday my father bought me a brand-new Homelite chainsaw. 16” bar and this was before “safety chainbrake”! After a bit of instruction from him I worked unsupervised felling trees, cutting ,splitting, hauling, firewood... I have been doing this for over 4 decades. Now I .run a Stihl saw. There are a few good manufacturers out there.. Play safe!
Yeah, I learned to cut wood on an old Homelite and it definitely was not lite. We would cut wood all day and thing would wear me out!
Back in the 60s, my dad bought a c- 52 homelite my brother in law is still using it! It runs just like it did 50 some years ago! Also the engines weren't designed to run with alcohol in the gas and it destroys them!
How are you able to run a chain saw for over 40 years without hurting your hands?I'm having a hard time with half your experience
@@72timhall I just retired last year but I still cut firewood for myself and a few widows so they can stay warm!
I just bought an Echo CS590. I was torn between the big 3 brands. I like Stihl but they sure don’t have the greatest reviews as before. I liked the Echo because it is lighter had a bigger engine than the others at the price point, and a five year warranty. It runs and cuts great. No regrets here.
I have used both stihl and Husqvarna saws but a few years ago I switched to Echo and I can’t see any reason to go back. The Echo feels better built, because there’s no auto tune they are more reliable and they have a better warranty than the others
my echo is a piece of shit
I bought my first stihl 4 years ago. It cuts great when it runs but it only runs when it wants to. Its a small MS211 and its in the shop right now. I just bought a small Echo and I love it.
I have the Stihl MSA 220 C and 161T for about 2.5 years so far I am 100% happy, 6 months ago I buy the MSA300 I can't complain except the batteries on this one don't last long.
Love my Echo. The dealership I bought it from also sells dollar and husky, and I chose echo after talking to the repair guys. From what they said, dollars run a little higher RPMS but don't last as long. They said echo's run a little slower than some saws and they seemed to think that was a big reason they run forever. I've cut 4-5 cords yr for 6 years on my Echo 450 and it starts on the second pull every time. I did replace some tensioner parts 2 years ago, but that was no big deal. Love my Echo
If you're in your 50s you been alive long enough to know quality. Today's products are junk.
J F your right! I still use the same homelite XL my daddy used in the 70’s Lol it still gets the job done if you take care of your tools it will last!
Best chainsaw of the 60's and 70's was pioneer!
@@jameskelman9856 Just think they are still out there and are still running.
I'm 16 and I can see what you mean. But I have a husky 141 and a 240, surprisingly both are fairly equal in build quality
@@JF-fx2qv We used them for logging, top of the line in their day!
I’m a woman and I bought my first chainsaw in 2012. I did a lot of research and I chose a Poulan Pro 16” 35cc with low vibration. I clean her after almost every use, and effectively can use the files and such. I’ve had her serviced once and even now, 8 years later, she’s a good saw.
I’ve heard people put down PP as a crap brand. Maybe Stihl isn’t what it once was. Sad, I was hoping to one day have one.
My dad always ran echos since I was a kid. He had a landscaping/general contracting business. We’ve been running our cs300 top handle for years w no problems and I’m very impressed w it. Also have a cs400 that’s at least 5 years old if not 10 and it’s great, has never let us down. Then we have an OLD 660elv echo. It’s a 1987 model or older. It’s got a 64cc on it w a 27in bar and it’s an animal. Runs like a champ after all these years and hogs through everything.
my dad was a big echo fan. I love stihl but started running a husky 395xp last week and love it.
great show
I was all set on getting a Stihl for my first chainsaw, the Husqarvana swayed me their way with their reputation, but ECHO just nailed it for me. I just ordered one tonight catching a good Columbus Day Sale. I got about $100 off their already low price and free shipping. ECHO just earned it's place among the top 3 manufacturers.
*If you own any equipment no matter what brand and you don't know how to maintain and tune it it's not going to run perfect forever. Most sithl complaints are user error and ignorance.*
My dad has had an Echo saw for close to 4 years. Very much like yours, and I like it alot.
I have a friend who has a tree removal business and all he uses are Stihl saws. However, his are the commercial grade, and ive used them quite a bit. I like both brands, but like you said, it just depends on you prefer
He's right. Advoko Makes (Bushcraft UA-camr) was running two Stihl chainsaws and one broke, but the 20 year old one kept going. He contacted STIHL support and they said it was the gas/oil mixture to blame. When he told them he was using the same mixture on both his chainsaws and the 20 year old STIHL was working fine, they didn't have an answer. He took the newer, broken chainsaw apart and found the piece that was broken. It turns out that STIHL has outsourced some of their production to Qingdao, China.
Yet another company takes the dive in quality by outsourcing to shoddy, slave-like labor in China to turn a quick buck. I'm done with STIHL.
Echo too has Chinese factories. Also, most Stihl saws are still made in the US or Germany, other than the cheap homeowner saws.
i still have 3 Homelite XL 12's and they still run good
I have a Husqvarna 460 and a smaller one with a 16 inch bar. I leave them sitting for long periods of time with ethanol gas and they always start. I’m taking about years. But what I really wanted to talk about is my Echo CS400 I bought about 4 years ago. I wanted a smaller saw to go up in trees with and just use for smaller jobs. Turns out the echo out cuts my 350 Rancher. I was shocked. Buy a chain like the tree guys use and man, that is a little beast. I Love it. It’s a lightweight Brute. Thanks for the video.
Bought a 029 farm boss in 1998. Not a world beater, but one fuel line, and one lube pump, 21 years and 65 cords of oak, still fires on the second pull. Hope I never have to replace it.
0 series were great saws.... ms series are junk
I'm still a fan of stheil, however, recently I've had experience with Echo and I was pleasantly surprised over and over with it's performance. I now tell people, "Echo makes a nice little saw" whereas before I just lumped them in with all other consumer brands.
Husqvarna 357xp is my main saw. Always starts and idles perfectly between cuts...monster power.
McCulloch Promac 610 w 28” bar run No ethanol fuel 50:1 ! Owned this saw since new in 87 and it still runs like a champ
Same thing with snapper lawnmowers. My neighbor had one for 10 years and no real issues so I bought one. Mine lasted 10 months be for it started falling apart. I sold it and paid a high-school kid to mow my yard. Same thing with Volvo cars, bought my wife a used one and no real issues for years. Then years later bought another, POS.
Own a little MS181 16" for home use myself and its been fine for what i personally need but can rate the echo brand pretty good, we run five of the 620xp 20" in the business 5/7 and they're pretty solid saws. Had one dropped out of a 60 footer and not a mark on it. Wouldn't recommend ever trying it but hey, saw survived.
Bigger saws are stihl, 66 n 88 for bigger trees. Have a couple of echo top handles which are OK but a bit underpowered, the climbers prefer the stihls although the echos are lighter. Never tried a husky but thinking about it.
Thanks for the vid and keep on cutting, buddy!
I would avoid Husqvarna's if they say "X-torque" on them. It's a bad design to attempt to get around the EPA, and there is a reason you can pick them up cheap, and refurbished any day of the week. Older Husqvarna's are great saws.
I have an echo 620PW and it's great. My next saw purchase will either be a 361P or a 355T for something lighter when I'm cutting up small stuff.
I have the CS620P, an older model cs500P, and the cs2511. They are all great saws. Check out the cs2511, it is an amazing little saw.
Had a bad experience buying a new Stihl, wouldn't start and idle correctly from day I purchased it. Returned it 3x before selling it cause the dealership couldn't get it right and last time they wanted to charge me a shop charge on a new saw that I hadn't used yet. Sold it and bought a Timnerwolf and no troubles yet. Sent it to Iowa Performance Saw's for a muffler mod and tune it's a torque monster, cuts anything. I'm loving it so far
Owned my Jonsered 680 for 30 years now, always starts on the first pull, nothing we've had compares to the power, reliability and performance.
LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! My little Stihl 12” electric chain saw. Husband has dementia and unable to operate a gas saw any longer so it’s up to my 74 year old bones to keep up our supply of wood for the wood stove. I mark the dead trees with an orange ribbon in the summer and weather permitting, over the river and thru the woods I go and cut for just a couple of hours if I want to walk upright the next morning.
Good woman be safe, take yer time, maybe time just get a young fella sell you few cords
Stihl just release a little electric pruning saw. 8" bar, handheld. I think its a gt 36 is the model I could be wrong. I'm a dealer in oregon and I literally cannot keep them on the shelf
Is that your fucking life
@@erikkrushelnytskyy6124 WHAT ! Age ! Are ! You ! Then !!??
I run a sthil Ms 260 same saw for the last 10 years I'm on my second plug and bar always starts my advice pay the extra get forestry line
One of the best chainsaws ever
I like mine so much I just picked up a new 462 what a saw!!
Back when I did trees the same stihls were in our trucks for 6 years+ before I showed up, never had an issue except a faulty fuel cap or 2.
Agreed...My Dads 4yr old MS261 has been in twice. I've been running a 036 for 20yrs and only lately have had to tend it a bit more.
The heart of any chainsaw is the engine. The foundation that every chain saw engine is based on was developed by Sachs-Dolmar. Makita later bought out Dolmar. They made the best, using very high quality parts made to consistent tolerances. A good Sachs engine will last over 1200 hours and be brought back to life by just changing the piston ring and rebuilding the carb. Companies that have followed the Sachs engine design are Echo, Husky, Shindawa, and previously Stihl. Chinese chain saws often use engines of dubious to poor quality due to metallurgical and design alterations made to cut production costs. With regards to Stihl, I agree they are not making products as good as they used to be. I recently worked with a homeowner that got rid of his fairly new 20"Stihl because a 30 year old Echo 16" I brought back to life for him significantly out performed his Stihl.
This is VERY interesting! Thanks for sharing that! Anywhere you can send me to learn more about chainsaw design lineages??
‘ Dol-Kita s ‘ are the best, or they were. Makita killed off the saws, as well as the other gas OPE. BOOoo to Makita! R.I.P. Dolmar
Owned Stihl saws all my life including new models (in last 2 years). Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you might want to learn how to tune up a saw. Just sayin.
I use Sthil professional and Husqvarna professional. The ability to tune, unless you modify it, has been removed. With auto-tune
Did you train your chickens to laugh at your jokes? That's what it sounded like to me upon your opening statement. That was such perfect timing I had to laugh. Thanks! Yes, I do know hey weren't trained.🙄 I knew someone might have thought that I was a dimwit. 🤣
Great saw have the same one been cutting around 6 to 8 cords for 9 years with it never failed or been in the shop just works
My old man was complaining about the drop in quality of StIhl saws 20 years ago, loved his sachs-dolmar.
He's right, somewhere around 20 years ago is when Stihl started making low quality saws and getting worse every year
Twenty years ago Echo went through the same thing Stihl is going through now. They lost their quality and reliability. Now they are back in the game and making a good product. We used to look for Echos from the 70's and early 80's and they are still in use today. I also have an older Stihl that runs like a champ, not like these new ones.
Bought a little Echo last year and it does good work. Loved you yelling at your chickens. :D
Forty years ago Shaws Dolmar, now Dolmar, was one of the best I have used. I took one the the Alaska Bush when I moved there. Now I use Stihl mostly because at my age I have great luck starting the ones I own and they are dependable.
I run the echo 440 and just picked up lightly used 590 for 250.00 😀 echo is a good saw
The 590 is a great saw.
I have three Stihl consumer grade chainsaws - one of them melted down after 12 years of use. The other two still going strong. Never used Echo but I'm glad to hear it works for you.
Thanks for your review and you are right these are good little saws I bought a CS410 at an estate sale for $15.00 bucks what a steal and I love it starts every time and runs strong too.
I currently own an ECHO chainsaw and it's working fantastic. It's been 5 years and never had a hiccup with it yet.
All my chainsaws are Echoes and I really do like them, I have a Stihl brushcutter and leaf blower and theyre decent quality BUT after a few years, I am not able to get spare parts and it's a Damm shame!!
Have been able to get parts for the 30+ year old Saw but not for the 8 year old Stihl products!
Stihl have chain saw and back leaf blower nothing but trouble had back for repairs multible times.
When got them home same o prob cant start. Maybe once apon a time they were good but now garbage.
The 562 husquvera XP is what I run 8 1/2 hour away five days a week it reliable fast worth the investment
bought another husqvarna after last one stolen from pickup. now run a 555 autotune xp. put a 24” bar on it. for the weight power ratio, it is great for a firewood saw. can run it all day without wearing ones self out. Have run jonsenreds, pioneer, homelites, stihls while falling and bucking for a living....but always come back to husqvarna. had a 288 husky for bucking, that thing cut like a hot knife thru butter with a 404 skiptooth and rakers filed down low...talk about bite. cheers!
Same for our family. Husqvarna. Has never let us down.
I mechaniced at a landscaping company. Sent a hundred two strokes out every morning. Each crew burned five gallons two stroke gas a day. My mix was Five gallons non ethanol gas, fuel injection cleaner, 104 octane boost, and the mix oil. I made sure each truck got a five of my special mix each week. I didn't work on any more two strokes unless water got in them. Like losing the top off can and rained over weekend, and they poured it in.
I also had the same problems, for over a year. Then took to a non stihl dealer and he placed a non brand name carb and no problems since,
For a professional timber saw, the Stihls are top of the line. Maintenance is key and using fresh gas properly mixed is a must. I've ran all the major brands since the '70's, for me, the Stihls are the best. My back up Stihl 66 is sixteen years old, the newer one, a 660 is just eight years old. Awesome saws. The little farm or home owner saws might be a different story.
Echos are far superior for less money. Keep getting price gouged I won't.
@@joshlower1 No getting gouged, still running the same Stihl's, they've paid for themselves many times over. I'm talking about big timber saws. Just normal maintenance.
@@Quinncannon I run big timber saws for a living pal. Echos run just as good if not better for less money. Sorry I'm just not buying into the stihl cult/ religion/ wank off to your stihl like it's some kind of God bullshit.
@@joshlower1 I'm speaking from experience too, I worked in the timber as a faller for many years. These are just machines, nothing to be angry about, if you don't like Stihl, fine with me. By the way, you do realize this video is four years old? Have a blessed day.
Echo. Nuff said.
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I've got a Stihl I bought brand new in 2000. I've replaced the gas line once. Still runs great. Not giving it up. I also have a Jonsered. Same story, great saw.
Everyone complaining about maintenance if that is the issue the echo would be having all the same issues wouldnt it or does it just require less maintenance to run as good cause its the same guy maintaining both saws one is performing while the other did not.btw not a fan boy so give that up im just looking for info on my first real saw purchase above home owner grade
You can only go with a Saw ! That's Right ! For ! You !! Regardless ! Of ! BRANDS !!
I was firefighter for about 10 years. We used Husqvarna saws on our trucks, and they were very dependable. I was so impressed with their quality, and the fact I was used to that saw. I bought one for myself.
I have 3 of them a 141,55 and 465. I carry the 55 on our Ranger or behind the snowmobile on a sled going to our cabin. It starts and runs in pouring rain and covered in snow. We carry the 141 on raft trips for campfire wood. The big one is for the big old birch trees at our cabin.
Here in the Sierras, my understanding is the loggers prefer Husqvarna.
My dad had a old sthil farm boss. Served us well for many years with no problem. I bought 2 stihl chainsaws and a weedeater 5 years ago. Nothing but trouble. Sthil quality has definitely gone down hill. Sold the weedeater. I now have a milwaukee battery weedeater. Same power and always ready. In the process of selling my chainsaws and getting echo.
Great, introspective video. I was feeling overwhelmed buying a saw. Ended up getting a Craftsman 46cc 20” to do some work on my friend’s farm. They have a Husqvarna Rancher I was using, but it’s too big for limbing. I ALMOST got an Echo, but just wasn’t familiar with the brand. Thoughts on bar length? Didn’t see any with longer bars. Thought this might be an issue on a larger homestead where larger tree removal/plunge cutting might be necessary. Thank you for the great content
Have a Stihl 660 that I love but was to big for most things (in all fairness it works perfect). I bought an Echo 490 then a 310. Not sure I'd buy anything but an echo anymore. They both work flawlessly.
I don't care what brand saw you use, if you run fuel with ethanol you'll have trouble. Echo is a good saw but it's heavier than a Stihl pro saw. Stihl, like all companies has fallen into the trap of trying to sell to the entire market. Their cheaper saws carry the Stihl reputation and name recognition but they are ruining the brand rep by selling saws to meet price.
pyromedichd1 :: Great comment you’ve made here.
This is effecting the Big Two manufacturers the most. With nearly 30 years under my belt with several major brands, I’ve seen every brand succeed and every one fail at some point.
Echo, Husqvarna, STIHL and Dolmar.
Dolmar is the only brand I never gave a second chance to.
Everything else has served us well.
It’s likely Dolmar would have as well, just poor dealer support in our vicinity.
Thanks for sensible input!
Be Blessed!
I have run regular gas mix (ethanol included) in all of my saws and other 2 stroke engines for over 30 years with no problem. I have never had to rebuild a carb due to problems with gaskets or seals. I do use Sta-bil in all of my gas but nothing else. If anyone is making equipment today that can not tolerate ethanol, it is probably junk anyway.
@@halshaw3919 IF you run your saws often and use up the ethanol fuel in them so it doesn't sit for months in disuse you are far less likely to encounter the common problems with ethanol in fuel. Most problems come when ethanol fuels undergo phase separation which incorporates water in the fuel with the result of corrosion. Newer saws and equipment are made with rubber parts that better tolerate ethanol, but almost all rubber will eventually be affected by ethanol at some point in time. You may be fortunate to own newer equipment with parts that are more ethanol tolerant, however, may people own equipment that is still in good working order that is 30 years or more old. That equipment will be affected far more by ethanol in fuel. One argument that cannot be disputed, ethanol in fuel will undergo phase separation if left it sit long enough, with resulting associated problems to follow.
Good info. I like the review.
I have a small echo that I need to service but it worked great when it was running.
I always used to you stihl saws but just recently bought a used Johnsred . I pretty happy with it so far .
Guys who generally use them professionally run the professional grade saws. Big difference between your pro grade models of stihl. My buddies who work at wright tree service in Minnesota and asphland also company in run nothing but stihl saws and would run nothing else. I like stihl saws, work great, easy to Maintain, but I also like echos a bunch, and huskies I own and use. My dad cuts wood during the week, alot, runs stihls but recently got a new 3cho 620p and it's a damn nice saw. Used it for a bit the other weekend, reminded me in feel to my husky, but longevity is yet to be seen. Maintenace is easy, decent design felt great worked great. You can dislike stihl for your needs, but consider your not using them daily all day long every day, topping trees, felling big trees, day in day out booms, power lines buildings, 110f in the summer to 20belownin the winter and they trust and run stihls. There's a reason bud. We don't have to get it, but there's a reason
jcoopdo :: Finally a sensible comment... This video has brought out some crazy, rude and downright foolish comments and interactions.
Yours is respectful and makes a great point.
Be Blessed!
You said it! I work for a tree service and we run stihl only. Personally i have used everything from a poulan "wild thing" to a husky 450 to an antique jonsered, echo, homelite and on and on. The absolute best saw you can buy is the one that works for you! As long as its a stihl..... jk
All its about brother, is maintenance. keep you're coil clean, you're carb, air filter, fuel line, fuel filter, Good ethanol free fuel, spark plug etc., they will run forever. I'm a Stihl, Husqvarna, and an Echo man. Their all great and they all don't run at all if you don't take care of them. The word of the day is: MAINTENANCE.
Sometimes you get machines with defective parts that wont all out fail but are a massive pain in the azz and very difficult for a novice to troubleshoot. And those scenarios exist with every single brand of anything under the sun. You'll hear the horror stories then be like, well I never went through that with mine. Just luck of the draw.
It's not about maintenance Whit, as Briggsy said,Stihl are a piece of shit. I've had 4 of them and not one of them has been reliable. They won't run , won't start and when it does run it won't stay running. All of them were maintained meticulously to no avail. They are the most overrated heaps of junk ever made. Never again will I ever buy another or for that matter ever use one again. Absolute crap. To anyone looking to buy a chainsaw, steer clear of STIHL otherwise you'll continually regret it. Buy an Echo instead and you'll never regret it.
@@rodwells15 You're fucking nuts, such a blanket statement. I guess you are buying consumer line products, not pro models. ECHO beats Stihl - LMFAO!!!!!! I take my MS290 out on our property, we have SO much fun! 10 cords per year, every year....for 5 years....NO work stops for saw problems. You almost sound like a racist, you're so "anti". Bet you did not maintain your equipment, buddy...that is usually what shuts you down. Sad sack.
PS....I live in rural Maine. Shizz is for real, bub.
@@mikeparker5008 Get a grip Mike, You'd be one of these fella's who bag G.M. or Ford products without ever owning one wouldn't you. So you've had a good run out of a Stihl have you, well aren't you fortunate. Most people don't . I have owned Husky's, Stihl's and Echo's and the Echo shits all over the other 2. Both were pro models and I still have them but i'll take one of them with me for a backup. I never need them fortunately. Do you always assume other people who you don't agree with must be doing something wrong. Keep your hand off your cock wanker . Not everyone has had your good fortune. I live in Australia where hardwood is hardwood not that softcock wood you have in America. The Echo eats the Hardwood eucalyptus and the stihl can't handle it....without protesting. By the way, dipstick, have you cut wood here in Australia as I have cut wood there in The US. Then you'd know the difference.
I have cut firewood for myself for just over 40 years now, and I've only had two saws in that time. I bought a Jonsered 49SP in 1978, 20inch bar and three eighths chain. I still have it and use it on the bigger logs, have never done anything enginewise other than carb tuning and spark plugs. It's a real go-getter. In 2003 I bought a smaller, lighter Stihl MS250, 16inch bar and three sixteenths chain. Periodic tuning and spark plugs, and new gas filter and line in the tank, twice I think. So I've been pretty happy with my two saws.
Same experience here. My stihl turned out to be a lemon. I miss the last echo.
Small two strokes are the simplest things to keep running. Maintain you shit it will work when you need it.
Hes not satisfied with stihl but with an cheap echo witch tells you much
@@ardianblakaj I'm a Husky man, Stihl is overpriced for what you get. Most saws are built in China nowadays anyway.
@@ronbrown2770 i have both stihl for small work and the husky's for bigger wood and i love the husky more but even if they are made in china there are made some parts not the full chainsaw wich breaks after 5 chords
@@ardianblakaj My brother and I as an experiment bought a couple of china saws a few years back. My brother bought the 52cc 20inch bar saw he paid 90 bucks new I picked up the 80cc 28-inch bar saw, I paid 185.00 plus shipping. we both ran these saws hard the 80cc was the first one to fail The piston retainer clip was not properly installed, it tore up the cylinder FUBARed.
The 52cc saw is still running strong but the plastics are falling off cracking, but, for a 90 dollar saw it's impressive. For a home saw they are just fine, but as an Arborist, I have to trust my saws.
@@ronbrown2770 maybe few years back they were better i have two stihl 260 and a 450 Chinese they both failed on me after 4 or 5 chords of wood maybe its a luck thing but i dont trust them anymore
I think those chickens are Husqvarna fans LOL LOL
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Chickens are smart because husky r bad ass kicking stilth saws ass
Lol. Those chickens voicing their opinion.
Those chickens/Rooster strongly voiced there opinion after he said husqvarna...They must be stihl fans
i run an echo 590 i bought used. did a muffler mod and turned up the top end on the carb. she runs great. and you cant beat the price. new also.
I'm with you always been a husqvarna man but purchased a stihl 1.5 years ago worked well the 1st year nothing but trouble ever since they got me once but never again
I have the cs 620p, cs 310 with mm and cs2511T....echo is great.
I have the 620 as well and have been very pleased
I switched from Stihl to Echo and absolutely love it! 👍
Got an echo top handle , a husky 460 rancher. And Stihl MS461. Love them all.
I bought a Husqvarna 266xp in 1992; the only thing I’ve ever had to replace on that saw is spark plugs, chains and bars. I’ve never had to adjust the carburetor! I heat my house with wood so cut a lot of wood and that chainsaw still works.
Both of my pro Stihls work great never had to bring them in at all. You do every day work you need a pro line saw.
ditto...i only use the 'pro' range i have 4 Stihl's and they are great....My Husky is a beauty too.....i think you're using the 'home user' versions lower down the price range, more plastic, cheaper made....why they even make them is beyond me....if its destroying their rep like this.....proper chainsaw maintenance and knowing your saw is key.
I can’t stand my husky and I ended up trading it for some engine work on a power washer. Granted i think it was the model and the previous owners maintenance that had more to do with it. My Stihl pro is the best saw I’ve ever had. I even love the micro processor controlled carb which I thought would be a nightmare.
Thank you for making the video - most enlightening.
I've got 5 Stihl chainsaws - from my experience the Stihl chainsaws that are "Made in Germany" are the problem free, good quality ones that go on & on.....(unfortunately they tend to be the higher end, more expensive models).
Of course these days it goes without saying that using pre-mixed, ethanol free fuel, like Stihl MotoMix is essential. Cuts out a whole lot of trouble.
Many thanks......all the way from London !
I've had 2 Stihl chainsaws in last 20 years, Ms250 and Ms251, great saws and never had any reliability issues.
Both made in Germany.
261CM and enjoy it. Had to pay the money for the features I wanted. The smaller homeowner saws were kind of gimmicky
I had a Stihl that would not stay running. I CLEANED THE MUFFLER SCREEN with a torch and it RAN LIKE A CHAMP. Check to make sure your muffler screen is not completely covered with "carboon" which will not let it exhaust properly and it will run like a charm.
8:20 peanut gallery in the background sounding off... too funny LOL!
I have stihl saws that I have used almost every day Monday through Friday for years. I only use stihl oil and premium fuel. No complaint as for last ability
U dont buy pre mix?
pancho villa
I have found pre mix to be convenient but costly. So mixing fuel is really no problem, I would mix 20 litre’s each time. That would last about 2 weeks. I have a 460 made in Germany that l have been using for about 5 years with no issues. It’s a little heavy but it’s really a great workhorse
EPA have changed the game so don't expect any saw to last the 25 to 40 years that they used to, every major manufacturer has been forced to re design their products thus leading to out sourcing components most of which are made in China even if they are assembled in Switzerland or Germany.
Sadly it is all part of the throw away society we live in...
One only has to look in the catalouges of the major manufacturers to see the fancy new names they give to dulled down versions of inadequate equipment... Like
X TORQUE for example.. Which means highly restricted and regulated chainsaw.
It is a sad day when to get the best you have to go with a clone made in China of an older model.........
Your chickens are your studio audience to give the real feel and sound of farm life, just love it Bro!!!
allot of people don't know about echo but I used to sell them and their equipment is leaps and bounds better than anything on the market. their engine tech is awesome they were able to stay away from catalytic converters while everyone else had to, to meet emissions.
I've owned them all(almost). ALL the brands have their good models and their cheap models.
That's correct. You can't honestly compare a professional grade chain saw to a homeowner grade, although both will cut wood. The pro saw will last longer & by design, is much easier to service than a homeowner type.0
my gripe with stihl is getting parts. have to go through a dealer.
Huztl.net. or hlsproparts.com. Lots of replacement parts go threw them.
My local dealer put a plug, fuel filter and air filter in my little saw and charged me $35.00
@@cabbyhubby ahhhhhh. Ouch.
Parts all over EBay
I have had trouble with Stihl chainsaw and weed eater..I wouldn't buy another Stihl
As a stihl and echo dealer owner I prefer the echo also! I have sold more stihl saws doa then echo. Also was a husqvarna dealer but am no longer