I was killing myself laughing at this review - loved it, the review, that is 😛 I finally watched John Carter tonight. Didn't hate it but I get exactly, what he means here 😃
I thought 'of Mars' would've actually brought it across as something unlike anything else you'll see that year. I mean it makes it sound more interesting.
I think the interview they did with the director Andrew Stanton was very testy and that's why they ripped John Carter a new one lol. It's a very average movie (with moments) that wasn't worth that much of a rant 😂
myself and my kids really enjoyed this when it came out in the cinema and watch it irregularly on bluray. when it was released, it had had what the Star Wars prequels was missing, heart and dazzling adventure. everyone I know enjoys it, a real shame it didn't become a franchise
Disagree entirely with that Star Wars prequel claim, MAINLY about Revenge of the Sith. I would certainly say that the movie certainly DID have heart and a GRAND "dazzling adventure" especially from the start for Anakin and Obi-wan ESPECIALLY from the start, the film has problems but emotional heart for it's characters. Revenge of the Sith is still amazing and awesome to this day even with the scattered flaws in the movie like romance and dialogue. The film is outstanding from creating art direction, character/costume design, atmosphere/tone, fight scenes, music that fits the scenes, outstanding visual shots, and even plotting even with scattered flaws like dialogue and romance still unfortunately sucks. It’s an amazing dark tragedy of a film that’s well-made.
@@Tormented22 lol Not even close, there was ALOTS of great things within the prequel movies from concepts to world building and characters. It’s just that prequel movies FAIL as films as they struggle to be well made movies with BASIC aspects of filmmaking, directing, and writing. And the Phantom Menace being the the biggest example of this as that film is easily considered one of the worst blockbuster films of all time and a complete embarrassment of a movie. But the WORLD of the prequels and the concepts they provide as a whole far prove there’s MASSIVE redeeming features to them so for you to say that the they don’t “wiTHoUt a siNgLe rEdEeMInG fEaTuRe” is just factually NOT true at all. Star Wars the Clone Wars, which is a massively beloved show and widely praised, shows and PROOFS that a lot of the stuff in the prequel movies CAN work but it’s about the execution of the world and characters with basic directing, that Lucas struggled with in a fundamental level, can be IMMENSELY fantastic and phenomenally praised from how well everything is done in presentation. What you’re saying here is badly misguided when you look at the movies OUTSIDE of the prequel movies themselves and even the stuff IN the prequel movies that have amazingly well done stuff to them!
@@Tormented22 Not even close, there was ALOTS of great things within the prequel movies from concepts to world building and characters. It’s just that prequel movies don’t do so good as films as they struggle to be well made movies with BASIC aspects of filmmaking, directing, and writing. And the Phantom Menace being the the biggest example of this as that film is easily considered one of the worst blockbuster films of all time. But the WORLD of the prequels and the concepts they provide as a whole far prove there’s MASSIVE redeeming features to them so for you to say that what you said at the end of your last sentence is just factually NOT true at all. Star Wars the Clone Wars, which is a massively beloved show and widely praised, shows and PROOFS that a lot of the stuff in the prequel movies CAN work but it’s about the execution of the world and characters with basic directing, that Lucas struggled with in a fundamental level, can be IMMENSELY fantastic and phenomenally praised from how well everything is done in presentation. What you’re saying here is incredibly mis-viewed when you look at the movies OUTSIDE of the prequel movies themselves and even the stuff IN the prequel movies that have amazingly well done stuff to them!
@@Gadget-Walkmen If you were a child when you first saw them and they were your first experiences of Star Wars, fine. Otherwise, no, they're shite. From top to bottom. I'm sitting here now trying to think of a single redeeming feature. I can't.
Disney: "It's imperative that that the true name of the planet in John Carter is kept a secret from the audience until they watch the film for themselves in order to maintain the mystery behind the story." Kermode: "John Carter OF MARS!!"
"Benjamin Sniddlegrass and the Fourth Frang of the Fiddly-Fong" Now that's a movie I'd want to see. Especially if it was set on the planet Hrothgar-Flom.
Yep same here - Actually saw it about 2.5 - 3 times. It's just a chilled out feast for the eyes. Particularly like the bit where they go 'Who will commit your metal to mine...' or something like that :D
I like that the photo you’ve used for this clip shows, in my head, the faces that Simon and Mark are making during this review. The thing is, the photo is almost certainly accurate.
One of those cases where i heard such bad things I was pleasently suprised when I came to watch the film because i was expecting something catastrophic. I loved the imagination, great soundtrack, good cast, reasonable story and some good effects. I think Kermode was being a bit harsh... John Carter: 7.2/10
I remember reading somewhere that the 'of Mars' bit was removed after a film called 'Mars Needs Moms', also by Disney, was a box office bomb the year before John Carter was released. Disney thought relating films to Mars reduced their commercial success - for some reason. Wish I knew where I read that so I could link it here.
I remember that as well. The thing is, this movie relies upon a core audience that knows the source material. Even the ads emphasized that the books were the inspiration for much of the sci fi we've loved since. So I'm not sure who the title change was meant to fool.
It is very common for studio eccentrically worrying about titles. Dino De Laurentiis who only called a film Manhunter instead of Red Dragon because he was worried that nobody would watch a film with a Dragon on a title, As he produced a Michael Cimino film Year of The Dragon which flopped.
I don't get how removing the words "of Mars" would encourage people to see it. Sure it worked for Total Recall, but films like Red Planet and Doom flopped and they were set on Mars.
The good doctor is completely right. John Carter is stupefyingly dull and it's always a bad sign when you spend time looking away from the screen and counting how many (empty) seats are in front of you - something I did several times!
A bit harsh. I thought it had a bit more of the old Sinbad/Battle Beyond the Stars charm about it than most recent films of the genre, and certainly more enjoyable than any of the Star Wars prequels.
If you watch an interview of Andrew Stanton talking about John Carter, then watch Gareth Edwards' Monsters you really value the skill of proper filmmaking given that the latter cost around a quarter of a million.
He said 11 year old. And he didn't say he was giving judgment on it, just if he'd 'want to go and see it'; and with all the marketing costs that went into it like Mark said, it didn't do a very good job, especially since Mark says his son is a big Star Wars fan. Yeah, he got the bit about Simon being asleep, but he's using hyperbole about John Carter 'only being able to jump'.
LMAO at: 'makes Dune look like Speed!' I didn't want to see this from the trailers, so this rant confirms some of my fears and even MovieBob said something to the effect that it's a so-so movie.
@agmor1 Oh God, later he tries to make the point that it is boring and suggests Mayo fell asleep to back up his point.Poor Mayo, he has to tolerate this nonsense.
Absolutely agree on the name change. An utterly stupid move, especially given that there are still plenty of fans of the old Barsoom series around. It's outdated, pulpy, planetary romance SF, sure, but if you're going to do an adaptation, why hide it ? Imagine if Jackson was adapting LOTR, but kept going on and on about "oh, I'm not sure this is related to Tolkien, I can't say much more, but...". Long story short, screw focus groups, screw dumb directorial and production decisions. "Spending too much money on a film you're not sure anyone wants to see..." is quite emblematic of this as well.
@Loosecrewproductions You're right. He can't express boredom with anything but banality, which explains why his attempts to expand on his ideas are either wrong (asserting that Mayo fell asleep) or just a series of adjectives.
Hahah, yeah, thats a good point. That statement just made him sound so arrogant and self involved, you'll never hear Christopher Nolan say he makes films just for himself, because there's an army of fans who rely on him to properly adapt the work they care about. It made me so angry when the head of production resigned recently, and Andrew Stanton will get to carry on making indulgent rubbish
@badhead Just out of curiosity, how comes you don't upload these no more? This was an absolutely excremental film. It's incredible that $250m can be spent on a movie like this. The day that mega-budget films aren't in the least bit entertaining is a dismal day. This is that day.
@terratrema if someone eles is uploading the reviews. I dont have to. Which if fine by me. I will still upload others stuff outside of actual reviews if i find it
I disagree with people blowing up over the $5million thing. He did say a lot of very annoying things but the comment came across to me as "I'm used to making movies with huge budgets and having $5million to make a movie would be completely out of my comfort zone," arguably a pretty modest comment. As for the Toy Story thing, if the kids that watch it are going to buy millions of action figures then you're not going to say "Well a load of people would also NOT buy them so lets not bother."
They were doing it in the context of filmmakers altering films in order to appeal to a wider audience. It's not like they just talked about "of Mars" for that long.
Sorry Flash Gordon wins this whole world of films. This doesn't have Brian Blessed screaming "CARTER'S ALIVE!". Thus, it doesn't stand up to Flash Gordon, the high benchmark, it wasn't even Immortals which was pretty naff imo.
haha I like these guy's dynamics, like an old married couple, the ending of the rant was funny. Often agree with Mark but on this I disagree, watched the movie 2.5 - 3 times, a little like Cloud Atlas found it better the second time round when I just chilled out, little expectation and went with it.
Can't understand why Kermode and Mayo are quite so vexed about the removal of 'of Mars' from the title. Seems a minor point to get bent out of shape about. Perhaps Stanton wasn't very cooperative with them in the preceding week's interview, so they had an axe to grind...
Baloo Darling It was based on the book A Princess Of Mars so yes a beautiful woman maybe required. I thought she made ideal Barsoom royalty. Also speak English Jungle Book bear.
david j h I actually liked this. Kermode is usually spot on, but this isn't as as bad as he makes out. Yes, it drags with the mythology- so did LOTR. And the lead actor is bland- but so were the leads (Dullea, Lockwood) in 2001, the best film ever. I also speak English Sir Hiss style, thilly billieth.
"Well shall we do "Raven" or "John Carter.........OF MARS?!"
You mean John Carpenter
5m 39s
😂
The "beeps" had me laughing out load.
3:10 The beeping can either be "Mars" or "FUCK!"
"You are on Ba-soon John Carter!"
"Fuck?......Fuck!.......Good God....FUCK!!!"
"Thrangy-throng in the hiddley-bang-diddley-bomb-bomb script" = a moment of Kermodian genius.
Is THAT your definition of genius? 🙄
@@kadiummusic It was clearly a joke. From over a decade ago.
I love the image used for this video. They look like a duo you would see on an episode of The Twilight Zone. Their faces are so full of character.
"Thrangy throng in the hiddly bang diddly bong bong script." 8:36
It's like Ned Flanders on acid.
I was killing myself laughing at this review - loved it, the review, that is 😛 I finally watched John Carter tonight. Didn't hate it but I get exactly, what he means here 😃
If only they put that on the movie poster.
"You are on Barsoom, John Carter."
"Shit. SHIT."
"When the fourth frang of the fillyfong came from the planet Froffgar Frong"
"Makes Dune look like Speed" should have been on the poster
A one word synopsis? MARS.
Simon and I said, “I’ve had a nerf” in unison.
Why the two of you would declare in half French that you've just eaten an egg is frankly beyond me.
I thought 'of Mars' would've actually brought it across as something unlike anything else you'll see that year. I mean it makes it sound more interesting.
I never really had an opinion of Simon Mayo but I think he’s quite a good presenter now with quite a dry sense of humour
Am i the only person who actually enjoyed this film? Sure its nothing special but it was an enjoyable romp.
You're not alone. It really is a turn-off-your-brain film.
I think the interview they did with the director Andrew Stanton was very testy and that's why they ripped John Carter a new one lol. It's a very average movie (with moments) that wasn't worth that much of a rant 😂
The whole censoring 'Mars' out amused me more then it should have done.
The desk has a great kind of bass drum sound as Mark pounds it rhythmically, con brio.
myself and my kids really enjoyed this when it came out in the cinema and watch it irregularly on bluray. when it was released, it had had what the Star Wars prequels was missing, heart and dazzling adventure.
everyone I know enjoys it, a real shame it didn't become a franchise
Disagree entirely with that Star Wars prequel claim, MAINLY about Revenge of the Sith. I would certainly say that the movie certainly DID have heart and a GRAND "dazzling adventure" especially from the start for Anakin and Obi-wan ESPECIALLY from the start, the film has problems but emotional heart for it's characters. Revenge of the Sith is still amazing and awesome to this day even with the scattered flaws in the movie like romance and dialogue. The film is outstanding from creating art direction, character/costume design, atmosphere/tone, fight scenes, music that fits the scenes, outstanding visual shots, and even plotting even with scattered flaws like dialogue and romance still unfortunately sucks. It’s an amazing dark tragedy of a film that’s well-made.
@@Gadget-Walkmen You're entitled to enjoy anything you want, but the prequels were utter shite. UTTER shite without a single redeeming feature.
@@Tormented22 lol Not even close, there was ALOTS of great things within the prequel movies from concepts to world building and characters. It’s just that prequel movies FAIL as films as they struggle to be well made movies with BASIC aspects of filmmaking, directing, and writing. And the Phantom Menace being the the biggest example of this as that film is easily considered one of the worst blockbuster films of all time and a complete embarrassment of a movie.
But the WORLD of the prequels and the concepts they provide as a whole far prove there’s MASSIVE redeeming features to them so for you to say that the they don’t “wiTHoUt a siNgLe rEdEeMInG fEaTuRe” is just factually NOT true at all.
Star Wars the Clone Wars, which is a massively beloved show and widely praised, shows and PROOFS that a lot of the stuff in the prequel movies CAN work but it’s about the execution of the world and characters with basic directing, that Lucas struggled with in a fundamental level, can be IMMENSELY fantastic and phenomenally praised from how well everything is done in presentation.
What you’re saying here is badly misguided when you look at the movies OUTSIDE of the prequel movies themselves and even the stuff IN the prequel movies that have amazingly well done stuff to them!
@@Tormented22
Not even close, there was ALOTS of great things within the prequel movies from concepts to world building and characters. It’s just that prequel movies don’t do so good as films as they struggle to be well made movies with BASIC aspects of filmmaking, directing, and writing. And the Phantom Menace being the the biggest example of this as that film is easily considered one of the worst blockbuster films of all time.
But the WORLD of the prequels and the concepts they provide as a whole far prove there’s MASSIVE redeeming features to them so for you to say that what you said at the end of your last sentence is just factually NOT true at all.
Star Wars the Clone Wars, which is a massively beloved show and widely praised, shows and PROOFS that a lot of the stuff in the prequel movies CAN work but it’s about the execution of the world and characters with basic directing, that Lucas struggled with in a fundamental level, can be IMMENSELY fantastic and phenomenally praised from how well everything is done in presentation.
What you’re saying here is incredibly mis-viewed when you look at the movies OUTSIDE of the prequel movies themselves and even the stuff IN the prequel movies that have amazingly well done stuff to them!
@@Gadget-Walkmen If you were a child when you first saw them and they were your first experiences of Star Wars, fine.
Otherwise, no, they're shite. From top to bottom. I'm sitting here now trying to think of a single redeeming feature. I can't.
5:39 John Carpenter
John Carpenter's Ghosts OF MARS
@@ZuluRomeo awful movie.
Disney: "It's imperative that that the true name of the planet in John Carter is kept a secret from the audience until they watch the film for themselves in order to maintain the mystery behind the story."
Kermode: "John Carter OF MARS!!"
"Benjamin Sniddlegrass and the Fourth Frang of the Fiddly-Fong"
Now that's a movie I'd want to see. Especially if it was set on the planet Hrothgar-Flom.
I don't understand the heavy criticism of this film I actually quite enjoyed it
Yep same here - Actually saw it about 2.5 - 3 times. It's just a chilled out feast for the eyes. Particularly like the bit where they go 'Who will commit your metal to mine...' or something like that :D
I like that the photo you’ve used for this clip shows, in my head, the faces that Simon and Mark are making during this review.
The thing is, the photo is almost certainly accurate.
One of those cases where i heard such bad things I was pleasently suprised when I came to watch the film because i was expecting something catastrophic. I loved the imagination, great soundtrack, good cast, reasonable story and some good effects. I think Kermode was being a bit harsh... John Carter: 7.2/10
It was complete toilet from the off. I can’t even remember watching it. Terrible...
@j black
I remember that Mars dog. Best part of the movie 🍻
Wait was it on Mars?! Damn, you spoiled it!
So did he like it or not?
I....I think he did.
@@SIGNIFYING_NOTHING I know I did. "VIRGINIA!!!"
I remember reading somewhere that the 'of Mars' bit was removed after a film called 'Mars Needs Moms', also by Disney, was a box office bomb the year before John Carter was released. Disney thought relating films to Mars reduced their commercial success - for some reason.
Wish I knew where I read that so I could link it here.
I remember that as well. The thing is, this movie relies upon a core audience that knows the source material. Even the ads emphasized that the books were the inspiration for much of the sci fi we've loved since. So I'm not sure who the title change was meant to fool.
It is very common for studio eccentrically worrying about titles. Dino De Laurentiis who only called a film Manhunter instead of Red Dragon because he was worried that nobody would watch a film with a Dragon on a title, As he produced a Michael Cimino film Year of The Dragon which flopped.
I don't get how removing the words "of Mars" would encourage people to see it. Sure it worked for Total Recall, but films like Red Planet and Doom flopped and they were set on Mars.
The good doctor is completely right. John Carter is stupefyingly dull and it's always a bad sign when you spend time looking away from the screen and counting how many (empty) seats are in front of you - something I did several times!
What? There's a film about John Carpenter on Mars?
Is that a sequel to Ghosts of Mars?
BUT WHAT DID SNICK PARTINGTON SAY?
Actually, it should have been A Princess ... OF MARS.
No, it's not boring. It's quite fun Mark. Are you sure we saw the same film?
Just watched this... Is it bad that I thought it was quite good. Didn't fell overlong, and a good yarn. Still what do I know....
Mark's rant is more fun that this movie!
“John Carter… OF MARS!”
What did Nick Partington say? WHAT DID NICK PARTINGTON SAY?
Lady in the Water, by M Knight Shyamalan, really got on my Narfs
You are from Jizzom? And you are on bosom? Ok, If you say so...
Every time I hear the bleep after being told he is on Mars in the quote, I imagine he’s Birdsonging like crazy 😂
I wonder what planet they were bleeping out in the clip
That was a planet?
I thought it was a expletive!
roggeray "John Carter, you've just landed on shit"
***** It's Saturn, isn't it?
***** Of course! You're right! So it is!
Max Bennie it’s.....URANUS....🤭🤭
Just think of ALL the amazing movies by directors that cost under £1 Million Dollars...& then throw them in VHS format at that "Director"
great review
On a more positive note, Michael Giacchino's music was pretty good.
Completely and utterly agree with Mark Kermode.
A bit harsh. I thought it had a bit more of the old Sinbad/Battle Beyond the Stars charm about it than most recent films of the genre, and certainly more enjoyable than any of the Star Wars prequels.
Amen.
Biddleybongs and the schnarfkarps hidden in the boddleybings
If you watch an interview of Andrew Stanton talking about John Carter, then watch Gareth Edwards' Monsters you really value the skill of proper filmmaking given that the latter cost around a quarter of a million.
Compared to Prometheus, John Carter is Citizen Kane.
When Mark was talking about Heaven's Gate all I could think was "would he be known as Kermode-ody?"
A Fuck a day helps you work, rest and play.
Oh, I do love a good rant!
His wolfly stuff is that he trampolines around Los Angeles lol
I fell asleep twice in this movie
He said 11 year old. And he didn't say he was giving judgment on it, just if he'd 'want to go and see it'; and with all the marketing costs that went into it like Mark said, it didn't do a very good job, especially since Mark says his son is a big Star Wars fan. Yeah, he got the bit about Simon being asleep, but he's using hyperbole about John Carter 'only being able to jump'.
Hey Mark... u mad bro?
Darren, who wrote in on 0:32, was so spot on
First 45 minutes is brilliant, then they introduce the princess and it just goes downhill from there.
I liked it. But I saw it on TV for free.
"I'm not going to shout" - oh Mark, you dirty liar.
You should watch Kermode's reviews of the Pirates movies. That of the third one is especially epic.
They bleep Mars. LOL.
LMAO at: 'makes Dune look like Speed!' I didn't want to see this from the trailers, so this rant confirms some of my fears and even MovieBob said something to the effect that it's a so-so movie.
@agmor1 Oh God, later he tries to make the point that it is boring and suggests Mayo fell asleep to back up his point.Poor Mayo, he has to tolerate this nonsense.
Its a nice little sunday afternoon film 6/10
Hahaha....does he start banging the table at the end? Hilarious.
Never been so bored by a film in my life.
Good.
User Name, yeah man, I normally pick ‘em really well. John Carter was a rare misstep.
@@terratrema I wasn't expecting a reply to a 7 year old comment. Congratulations. I enjoyed it, but I read the book as a kid.
John Carpenter of Mars sounds cooler. Now that would be a Thing.
It's John Carter O F M A R S ! ! ! ! !
He hasn't been frustrated and angry since Bride Wars!
Absolutely agree on the name change. An utterly stupid move, especially given that there are still plenty of fans of the old Barsoom series around. It's outdated, pulpy, planetary romance SF, sure, but if you're going to do an adaptation, why hide it ? Imagine if Jackson was adapting LOTR, but kept going on and on about "oh, I'm not sure this is related to Tolkien, I can't say much more, but...". Long story short, screw focus groups, screw dumb directorial and production decisions.
"Spending too much money on a film you're not sure anyone wants to see..." is quite emblematic of this as well.
Kermode does not seem to be criticizing the film - just the marketing. 8 minutes in, and he is still talking about budget.
The British remake is John Carter of Cadbury 😜
Merciless.
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@Loosecrewproductions You're right. He can't express boredom with anything but banality, which explains why his attempts to expand on his ideas are either wrong (asserting that Mayo fell asleep) or just a series of adjectives.
Doesn’t really get it does he.
Hahah, yeah, thats a good point. That statement just made him sound so arrogant and self involved, you'll never hear Christopher Nolan say he makes films just for himself, because there's an army of fans who rely on him to properly adapt the work they care about. It made me so angry when the head of production resigned recently, and Andrew Stanton will get to carry on making indulgent rubbish
So did you like it Mark, or did you think it was boring?
@badhead
Just out of curiosity, how comes you don't upload these no more?
This was an absolutely excremental film.
It's incredible that $250m can be spent on a movie like this. The day that mega-budget films aren't in the least bit entertaining is a dismal day.
This is that day.
Does anyone know what Mark thought of "The Cabin In the Woods"? Thanks x
I quite liked it.
I wonder what Danny Boyle could do with $5 mill....
Shallow Grave AND Trainspotting as it turns out
@terratrema if someone eles is uploading the reviews. I dont have to. Which if fine by me. I will still upload others stuff outside of actual reviews if i find it
So he liked it then.
I enjoyed it. :)
I disagree with people blowing up over the $5million thing. He did say a lot of very annoying things but the comment came across to me as "I'm used to making movies with huge budgets and having $5million to make a movie would be completely out of my comfort zone," arguably a pretty modest comment. As for the Toy Story thing, if the kids that watch it are going to buy millions of action figures then you're not going to say "Well a load of people would also NOT buy them so lets not bother."
That's in the Hitchiker's Guide universe...
They were doing it in the context of filmmakers altering films in order to appeal to a wider audience. It's not like they just talked about "of Mars" for that long.
It's a shame Taylor Kitsch is so boring in this film. He is so good in the tv show friday night lights
Sorry Flash Gordon wins this whole world of films. This doesn't have Brian Blessed screaming "CARTER'S ALIVE!". Thus, it doesn't stand up to Flash Gordon, the high benchmark, it wasn't even Immortals which was pretty naff imo.
Flash Gordon remains the benchmark for all cinematic classic space opera.
well we've all got our opinions. thank you for being the first youtuber to be polite about it :P
haha I like these guy's dynamics, like an old married couple, the ending of the rant was funny. Often agree with Mark but on this I disagree, watched the movie 2.5 - 3 times, a little like Cloud Atlas found it better the second time round when I just chilled out, little expectation and went with it.
seems like Mark got a bit sidetracked by the directors comments
Can't understand why Kermode and Mayo are quite so vexed about the removal of 'of Mars' from the title. Seems a minor point to get bent out of shape about. Perhaps Stanton wasn't very cooperative with them in the preceding week's interview, so they had an axe to grind...
It's really the main focal point in debates on how and why it flopped.
Remember liking this movie quite a bit.
I like the film.
@RolandDeschain1 Well, he did get really cross about The Phantom Menace 3D, and This Means War and Wanderlust last week.
He rather liked it. Although he said not scary enough.
Gte it Kermode! Tell em why you mad!
Get off the fence, Ballox, what do you really think of him then?
Liked the film, watched it twice. Lynn Collins is gorgeous.
'cos fit bitches make it a raar film yeah?
Baloo Darling It was based on the book A Princess Of Mars so yes a beautiful woman maybe required. I thought she made ideal Barsoom royalty. Also speak English Jungle Book bear.
david j h I actually liked this. Kermode is usually spot on, but this isn't as as bad as he makes out. Yes, it drags with the mythology- so did LOTR. And the lead actor is bland- but so were the leads (Dullea, Lockwood) in 2001, the best film ever. I also speak English Sir Hiss style, thilly billieth.
+david j h But her acting is awful.
StrokeMeYouInsolentHumanCuzIAmACat
Aww and she speaks so highly of your accomplishments in life.