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Would the Douglas DC-6-based Aviation Traders ATL-98-6 Carvair with the PW R2800 and the Douglas DC-7-based Aviation Traders ATL-98-7 Carvair with the Wright R3350 have fared better than the DC-4-based ATL-98?
On a lighter note, I once read "the plane looks like someone with an aversion to jet-engines drew a 747 from Memory" and I think that description is accurate^^
My dad use to fly this airline for business trips in the late 80's early 90's. He once told me he was glad the government decided to shut it down. This airline made Spirit look like the Concorde in terms of service and luxury
@BoBandits no, that's what he's saying. OP is saying: "This airline is SO BAD that it makes Spirit (a cheap airline) look like Concord (a fancy airplane) in comparison"
@@alejandrayalanbowman367 The podded cockpit design was used in other designs than the Carvair before the 747 (two examples were the Bristol Freighter, which was show in the video, and Armstrong Whitworth Argosy), and all three designs in the competition that lead to the C-5 all had a variation on this idea (the C-5 uses a spine, while the Douglas used a shorter pod design). Meanwhile besides people vaguely suggesting it drew inspiration for the design from the Carvair, I have not found direct evidence that was the case rather than (like with all designs of this type) the reasonable assumption that if you want to load cargo through the nose, moving the cockpit up just makes sense.
Fun fact: The reason the 747s cockpit is higher up then usual. was that boeing was planning to convert the 747s into freighters, after the boeing 2707 was operational. which never happend.
@@Thiscooldude123 As far as I'm aware the original 747 design was always meant as a freighter until someone came up with the idea to use it as a passenger jet too.
This plane had a lasting film role, in a James Bond movie. The film is Goldfinger, where the two cars are seen driven onto the plane in separate scenes, as Goldfingers Rolls Royce weighed over 2 tonnes.
Chloe, you and Plainly Difficult have become an integral part of my Saturday morning workout, as well as my education on the history of safety in various industries. Thank you for consistently delivering such excellent content. Happy new year!
Strange looking plane indeed! When I first saw a picture of one, I thought someone was having fun with photoshop, trying to merge a Boeing 747 with a WWII era bomber.
Great video, as always! This was an accident I hadn't heard of, and I always enjoy learning something new. You are one of my favourite content creators on UA-cam and I want to wish you a happy new year and I hope that the year will be a great one for you, and anyone else who might read this. Keep doing what you're doing, at least as long as it is giving you pleasure :)
I agree too great video and content though I still however still haven't seen the collision over Cerritos. Hopefully we'll see it in the next year........
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The aircraft was created by a very interesting company, headed by a very interesting person in the history of commercial aviation. Aviation Traders (Engineering) Limited (ATL) was founded by Sir Freddy Laker. The company itself was originally traded by buying up surplus aircraft and converting them to civilian use (hence the name), something that was very profitable after WW2, especially during the Berlin airlift where airframes that could haul cargo were very valuable. Old Halifax bombers would be converted to cargo use, and supplied to independent airlines during the airlift, with them being serviced by ATL for a significant portion of the cargo contracts. After the airlift was over, these aircraft would all mostly be scrapped. ATL would continue trading in aircraft as it also developed a few of it's own. The Carvair was their most successful, but they also developed an in-house "DC-3 Successor" (a task a lot of aircraft builders were trying to do, see the Convair CV-240 of the Parnair video, or the Fokker F27 Friendship of the Pakistan Airlines Flight 404 video). The ATL-90 Accountant would not draw much interest, though, so never made it beyond the first prototype. Meanwhile, Laker would also found two airlines. The first, Air Charters, as far as I can tell had some regular scheduled services, but also gained some very important contracts, flying between West Berlin and West Germany as part of the Little Berlin Airlift, and doing trooping flights. He would also found Channel Air Bridge, a company set up to run (first through Air Charters, later through it's own aircraft) cross channel flights. Man this guy's companies were all blurred together, I can completely understand why the version I first read when I was young just said it was a single company. Anyway, shortly before the ATL-98 Carvair took it's first flight, Laker sold all three companies to a rival called Airworks. Through a couple more mergers, this would become British United Airlines, what was probably at the time the largest private airline in the UK, with Laker as managing director. He would leave this post to found a new airline in 1965... which was actually his most influential airline, if less successful. Laker Airways would become one of the first of the modern "low cost" carriers, offering very cheap flights, same day ticket purchase, buying your food, etc. The modern low cost carrier owes a lot to Laker Airways and the Skytrain. They mostly used DC-10s and expanded quickly throughout the 70's, especially on the trans-atlantic market. The reality was it forced the legacy carriers to compete, and they had over extended themselves (taking out large loans to buy more aircraft). That, along with public perception in the DC-10, lead to one of my most favourite quotes of all time, as said by Sir Freddy Laker: "I am flying high and couldn't be more confident about the future". He said that 9 days before the collapse of Laker Airways. Laker would try to get his airline back off the ground, and would run an airline named Laker Airways in the Bahamas from 1992 til 2005, but by then it was a minor airline and he was getting up in age, and he would die in 2006. Sir Freddy Laker would be honored in many ways, having at least 3 aircraft named after him (by Virgin Air, AirAsia X and Norwegian Air Shuttle, three low cost airlines), and is known as a pioneer in the commercial aviation sector.
I remember he bought hundreds of ex-RAF Percival P40 Prentice trainers, with a view to converting them to 4-seat GA aircraft. It didn't go well and most of them finished up in piles at Southend and Stansted airports; their registrations painted by hand over their RAF markings. I believe there are one or two still flying plus a handul in various museums. Incidentally, Stansted and Southend were where the Carvairs were built.
Thank you for superior production and informative descriptions of these unfortunate accidents. Greatly appreciated are the relevant and appropriate visuals.
I seem to recall that this aircraft was briefly featured in the James Bond film "Goldfinger" when it is used to transport one of Goldfinger's sports cars from England to Switzerland...i have a memory of a scene where the front the plane is flipped up so the car can be loaded....and of course there is then that famous car chase through the Swiss alps with Sean Connery in pursuit in his equally sporty car.
@@SaraSpruce Yes you are right! I had encountered a Bristol Freighter out of Australia several times in Vietnam and when I saw the movie ages ago that's what stuck in my head. Apologies to clarsach29. Thanks and Happy New Year.
Lol, my immidiate thought, when I saw that first picture of this weird plane was "damn, that looks like, some1 spliced the front of 1 plane to the back 2/3 of another plane". And thats pretty much, what they did!
As always, an excellent video. Thank you for all of the great ones that you produce, Chloe. And also Chloe, I wish you a healthy New Year, a safe New Year, and last but not least... peace.
Happy New Year, Chloe!!! Thanks for another year of obscurities and lesser known incident and disaster videos!!! Looking forward to your next, as always... ;o)
Lol, man. I know a thing or two about aviation (not nearly as much as you, of course) but I had *never* seen one of these planes before - well, aside from in Goldfinger, though I haven't watched that film since I was young. It really does look like, well, 'we already have the 747 at home', as others have noted. Fascinating. Great video as usual!
Congratulatios on producing this excellent reconstruction and animation of a lesser known aicraft and accident. As a boy I saw many Carvairs operating into Manchester UK. Incidentally my hometown, Stockport, had it's own air disaster where another DC-4 derivative, the Canadair Argonaut, crashed in the middle of the town in June 1967, killing 72 people. There is a very good documentary on UA-cam (1 hour) titled Stockport Air Disaster. I have been surprised that no one has yet covered what was then, Britain's worst air crash, that during the subsequent investigation, was to have repucussions much wider. Well done, a very interesting video. Regards.
Wow!!!!! I always considered myself quite the aviation nut and pretty well versed on most aircraft. This one took me by surprise. Not only had I never heard of a Carvair, I had never seen a photo of it until this video. Really odd ball looking aircraft. Sort of resembles the Guppy. Have seen those and the DreamLifter. Good upload!!👌👍
3:20 The hump on those two aircraft is there for the same reason-they look alike because they serve the same purpose. The 747 was merely a stopgap measure until the supersonic 2707 was ready, at which point all the 747s were intended to be converted into freighter aircraft. The cockpit of the 747 is positioned high so that a front-facing loading door can be accommodated, similar to what is seen in the Carvair.
Happy New Year! I only recently found this channel but your presentations are top notch and I've spent some time binging. I look forward to seeing more in 2023!
Pilot error? Easier to dump on a deceased crew than face the fact that this airline had shoddy maintenance. These Hamilton Standard propellers require oil pressure to feather. Although they have their own dedicated oil pumps they cannot do their jobs when the oil is gone. He was able to feather the other one. But with two of the four engines out it's going to come down fairly quickly. RIP
Was looking for this comment. There is no good options when you lose 50% of your engines on takeoff low in the circuit while marginally overloaded. Even the best crew can’t defy gravity. Easy to blame a dead crew who can’t defend themselves.
The crew literally did the best they could. Yeah blame the dead crew who can't defend themselves. Hurt their family and loved ones even more with the blatant defamation.
some part of me is weirdly unnerved by the fact that the cargo was loaded through the front 😂great video, as always! and a happy new year!! looking forward to what you've got lined up :)
1:46 That this is a very strange looking plane " 😂😂🤣 It's something we just ...need to get out of the way so what is the deal with this plane and why does it look like that" 😂😂
Thank you for another great video! I remember these aircraft from my childhood when my father would drive us to Lydd or Southend Airport and we would use one of British Air Ferries airplanes to cross the channel for our holidays in France. I never knew they had such a poor accident rate, although I suspect that was due to poor maintenance with low budget carriers, rather than anything inherent to the Carvair. Thanks also for your mention of the Carvair's manufacturer - Aviation Traders, that was one of Sir Freddie Laker's ventures. Laker was a pioneer in aviation, challenging the traditional airlines with his low cost airline. He was, like Sir Richard Branson, something of a visionary. Happy New Year to you and to all your viewers.
The first Carvair conversion G-ANYB had already logged 37,000 hours before conversion, so these were already quite elderly aircraft before Aviation Traders started modifying them (with the approval and co-operation of Douglas, let it be said). I've no doubt that as they drifted from one low-budget freight airline to another the maintenance got progressively worse. If the ground engineers' attitude to their job was anything like the captain's it's small wonder it fell to bits.
@DisasterBreakdown look into the 2 Vicount crashes..1 at Rinway and 1 in Stockport Town center..both to do with Asymmetrical flaps getting James..,Happy New Year...
As a child I used to visit Dublin airport and remember these oddities parked on the apron . I am not too sure how long Aer Lingus kept them in it's fleet . Very interesting documentary and well narrated .
I used to work at Southend Airport in the 1960s where they were modified. I was a luggage loader for BAF which flew mainly cars to the European mainland. They seems pretty antiquated then.
Interestingly, two of these Carvairs made their way to Honolulu in the 1980s and flew cargo to the neighbor islands for a regional carrier called Pacific Air Express. After working an operations manager at DHL Air Cargo in Hawaii, I was employed as a station manager for.short period of time with Pacific Air Express and oversaw the operations of these aircraft. Although my memory fails me somewhat, I believe one of these Carvairs suffered a controlled crash into a sugar cane field on a routine flight to Kahului, Maui, where all crew members survived including a buddy of mine. The 80s were a glorious time in aviation including this chapter for me personally. Thanks for your wonderful report on this aircraft!
I remember these car ferries flying out of Southend airport Essex England still climbing as they passed overhead of my town on the other side of the Thames estuary. Witnessed a near miss collision when waiting for a train at Kemsley one afternoon. A RAF Hawker Hunter was circling the area on a training mission I assume . I was in a left hand turn , gradual not steep , I happen to notice coming from his right at about the same altitude Carvair . Fortunately the RAF pilot spotted it a the same time and altered course. This was in perfect weather conditions , but it struck home to me how easy it was for those type of accidents to occur.
Not if it has been properly maintained and recommended service intervals observed (with documentation) and is properly inspected before purchase. What is terrifying is ignorance.
Great video as always. The carvair was really an interesting plane. I’d like to recommend a disaster. National Air Cargo flight 102 - it’s a really interesting disaster. I remember seeing it on TV when it happened.
Very many years ago (1959/60/62) my family went on holidays in France which entailed a drive from the Channel coast right down to the Pyrenees (where they'd spent their honeymoon). I can still remember the most peculiar-shaped rather small aeroplane used to transport people's cars as well as the people themselves across the Channel, and it looked very much like this, i.e. with a very large hump at the front to take the cars. I think we would take off from Lydd or somewhere in Kent and land on or maybe a bit inland from the French coast. The clip at around 3:55 showing a car being loaded in at the front definitely brings back this memory (even if in the photo the car's just cargo). Very interesting of course that the commentary mentions mixed cargo and passenger aircraft. It must now I think of it have been one of these which we used to hop over the English Channel to France.
It might have also been a Bristol 170 Freighter which is similar, although smaller and a twin-engine design. They were a very common predecessor to this airplane.
Lol, this is the first of your videos Im watching (loved, btw, subscribed!) but I looked at the 3d model and thought "hey, interesting, this UA-camr uses cartoon planes, which is ok, we just wanna know the story", then you showed a picture of the ACTUAL plane and I felt a bit awkward! Never saw that before!!! 🤣
Just looking at that front-heavy design leaves me bewildered that these ever got off the ground (and that was before seeing heavy cargo loaded into the front). That must have taken some interesting weight distribution and a seriously muscular set of engines to make this contraption fly.
No not really. The ATL-98 Carvair was built at Southend Airport, Essex, England in the 1960’s. It was a standard DC-4 with the new bulbous cargo compartment nose section added, as in the video. Another major change, apart from those made to the front fuselage, was the fact they used the Douglas DC-7 Vertical Stabiliser, replacing the DC-4’s standard tail. The P@W R2800 Twin Wasp Radials were exactly the same, so we’re the props. The Carvair initially carried 30 passengers in the rear fuselage, as well as two cars in the new nose section. When they were later converted to All-Cargo operations, water ballast or other cargo was loaded into the rear fuselage for balance and trim purposes!
@@pikachu6031 I'm no expert on aviation and don't claim to be, so I appreciate any additional info. Just the visual difference alone is intriguing, but the very high proportion of crashes for this model definitely invites follow-up questions.
9:50 Don't plane-engines still need spark-plugs? Your explanation of "compression until combustion" is aligned with a diesel engine but I believe kerosene still needs an external spark.
Read the accident report. Seams the #2 forward master rod failed in the area of the #6 link rod pin. The master rod section and #6 link attached battered and broke the remaining forward link rods and pistons. Those forces sheared the #6 and #8 cylinder hold down bolts. That was one destroyed engine. The airline lost its ticket soon after due to other engine failures with fatal results.
@@alejandrayalanbowman367 I have not reread the report. I believe the aircraft still had P&W R2000's. These were not bad engines. They were state of the art of the time. The R2000 was a "bored out" R1830 to supply additional power for the C54. . Many of both types were made. A master rod failure of this type was very rare. When overhauls are done at proper intervals these faults are usually discovered in crack testing before failure.
I remember in the 50s being woken up every morning at 4.30 am by those DC4s/C54s taking off and flying past my bedroom window on trooping flights to Cyprus during the troubles there.
What a shoddy investigation- couldn't say any more about the pilots handled it badly- other than not feathering the number 2 engine- could they definitely have set it no major indication that they were doing badly.
Rumor has it that the Queen of the Skies had an abortion way back in June 1961, and the people whispered that it was odd looking, so they named this creature the ATL-98 Carvair. Now you know the rest of the story.
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Which simulator are you using???
Would the Douglas DC-6-based Aviation Traders ATL-98-6 Carvair with the PW R2800 and the Douglas DC-7-based Aviation Traders ATL-98-7 Carvair with the Wright R3350 have fared better than the DC-4-based ATL-98?
@@RFS-Vids I believe it's x plane
Hey Disaster Breakdown Can you do a 737 MAX Breakdown (Lion Air flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines flight 302)
And Happy New Year 2023
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On a lighter note, I once read "the plane looks like someone with an aversion to jet-engines drew a 747 from Memory" and I think that description is accurate^^
It's actually one of those designs that's so ugly it's charming in a weird way.
@@Madhouse_Media💯😂😭
My dad use to fly this airline for business trips in the late 80's early 90's. He once told me he was glad the government decided to shut it down. This airline made Spirit look like the Concorde in terms of service and luxury
I'm just happy getting somewhere alive, TBH. Although a working onboard restroom is nice.
Concorde??? They have a great record. Lol.
Concorde wasn't an airline.
@@shrimpflea well it was an airliner
@BoBandits no, that's what he's saying. OP is saying:
"This airline is SO BAD that it makes Spirit (a cheap airline) look like Concord (a fancy airplane) in comparison"
Wow, loook everyone its the propellor 747
Mom, can we have 747 at home?
The 747:
Wierd boeing 747 prop
747 lite or 747-010
Yoshi+747
Not that coincidental - the 747's hump was also there to leave the cargo deck clear and allow nose loading.
The design of the 747 was actually a copy of the Carvair.
@@alejandrayalanbowman367 The podded cockpit design was used in other designs than the Carvair before the 747 (two examples were the Bristol Freighter, which was show in the video, and Armstrong Whitworth Argosy), and all three designs in the competition that lead to the C-5 all had a variation on this idea (the C-5 uses a spine, while the Douglas used a shorter pod design). Meanwhile besides people vaguely suggesting it drew inspiration for the design from the Carvair, I have not found direct evidence that was the case rather than (like with all designs of this type) the reasonable assumption that if you want to load cargo through the nose, moving the cockpit up just makes sense.
Fun fact: The reason the 747s cockpit is higher up then usual. was that boeing was planning to convert the 747s into freighters, after the boeing 2707 was operational. which never happend.
@@Thiscooldude123 Though now most of the largest 747 operators are cargo airlines, so it ended up happening eventually.
@@Thiscooldude123 As far as I'm aware the original 747 design was always meant as a freighter until someone came up with the idea to use it as a passenger jet too.
Ah yes, the 747 from wish, i like this one
To me it just looks like a Short Stirling
Just an atl-98/ modified dc-4
This plane had a lasting film role, in a James Bond movie.
The film is Goldfinger, where the two cars are seen driven onto the plane in separate scenes, as Goldfingers Rolls Royce weighed over 2 tonnes.
Yes… British United was the airline. They called them “Air Ferries”.
Ah yes, the prequel to the Austin Powers movie Goldmember.
Wow. Good catch!
At Southend Airport in Essex.
I thought so. Thank you for confirming that it’s this plane
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I agree two great channels.
I'll join you lol I look forward to Saturdays
who is chloe?- keen to know as these two PD and this account are great
@@_powerrranger Disaster Breakdown is Chloe
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Strange looking plane indeed! When I first saw a picture of one, I thought someone was having fun with photoshop, trying to merge a Boeing 747 with a WWII era bomber.
Great video, as always! This was an accident I hadn't heard of, and I always enjoy learning something new.
You are one of my favourite content creators on UA-cam and I want to wish you a happy new year and I hope that the year will be a great one for you, and anyone else who might read this. Keep doing what you're doing, at least as long as it is giving you pleasure :)
I agree too great video and content though I still however still haven't seen the collision over Cerritos. Hopefully we'll see it in the next year........
Happy New Year from a silent fan! Love your style of educating us and finding rarer plane crashes that not many people speak of. Can't wait for more videos and I wish you good health and happiness going into 2023 ☺️
Mom can we have a 747
We have 747 at home
747 at home:
It's an old meme, but it checks out.
my. throught exactly
The aircraft was created by a very interesting company, headed by a very interesting person in the history of commercial aviation. Aviation Traders (Engineering) Limited (ATL) was founded by Sir Freddy Laker. The company itself was originally traded by buying up surplus aircraft and converting them to civilian use (hence the name), something that was very profitable after WW2, especially during the Berlin airlift where airframes that could haul cargo were very valuable. Old Halifax bombers would be converted to cargo use, and supplied to independent airlines during the airlift, with them being serviced by ATL for a significant portion of the cargo contracts. After the airlift was over, these aircraft would all mostly be scrapped. ATL would continue trading in aircraft as it also developed a few of it's own. The Carvair was their most successful, but they also developed an in-house "DC-3 Successor" (a task a lot of aircraft builders were trying to do, see the Convair CV-240 of the Parnair video, or the Fokker F27 Friendship of the Pakistan Airlines Flight 404 video). The ATL-90 Accountant would not draw much interest, though, so never made it beyond the first prototype.
Meanwhile, Laker would also found two airlines. The first, Air Charters, as far as I can tell had some regular scheduled services, but also gained some very important contracts, flying between West Berlin and West Germany as part of the Little Berlin Airlift, and doing trooping flights. He would also found Channel Air Bridge, a company set up to run (first through Air Charters, later through it's own aircraft) cross channel flights. Man this guy's companies were all blurred together, I can completely understand why the version I first read when I was young just said it was a single company.
Anyway, shortly before the ATL-98 Carvair took it's first flight, Laker sold all three companies to a rival called Airworks. Through a couple more mergers, this would become British United Airlines, what was probably at the time the largest private airline in the UK, with Laker as managing director. He would leave this post to found a new airline in 1965... which was actually his most influential airline, if less successful.
Laker Airways would become one of the first of the modern "low cost" carriers, offering very cheap flights, same day ticket purchase, buying your food, etc. The modern low cost carrier owes a lot to Laker Airways and the Skytrain. They mostly used DC-10s and expanded quickly throughout the 70's, especially on the trans-atlantic market. The reality was it forced the legacy carriers to compete, and they had over extended themselves (taking out large loans to buy more aircraft). That, along with public perception in the DC-10, lead to one of my most favourite quotes of all time, as said by Sir Freddy Laker: "I am flying high and couldn't be more confident about the future". He said that 9 days before the collapse of Laker Airways. Laker would try to get his airline back off the ground, and would run an airline named Laker Airways in the Bahamas from 1992 til 2005, but by then it was a minor airline and he was getting up in age, and he would die in 2006.
Sir Freddy Laker would be honored in many ways, having at least 3 aircraft named after him (by Virgin Air, AirAsia X and Norwegian Air Shuttle, three low cost airlines), and is known as a pioneer in the commercial aviation sector.
I remember he bought hundreds of ex-RAF Percival P40 Prentice trainers, with a view to converting them to 4-seat GA aircraft. It didn't go well and most of them finished up in piles at Southend and Stansted airports; their registrations painted by hand over their RAF markings. I believe there are one or two still flying plus a handul in various museums. Incidentally, Stansted and Southend were where the Carvairs were built.
Great post! Thanks for the info.
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Hehe, me looking without glasses at the phone notification: this 747 looks kinda weird...
Thank you for all your work producing these documentaries. All the best for 2023.
Thank you for superior production and informative descriptions of these unfortunate accidents. Greatly appreciated are the relevant and appropriate visuals.
I seem to recall that this aircraft was briefly featured in the James Bond film "Goldfinger" when it is used to transport one of Goldfinger's sports cars from England to Switzerland...i have a memory of a scene where the front the plane is flipped up so the car can be loaded....and of course there is then that famous car chase through the Swiss alps with Sean Connery in pursuit in his equally sporty car.
I think that one was a Bristol Freighter.
@@carsten4594 It was a Carvair, G-ASDC to be exact.
@@SaraSpruce Yes you are right! I had encountered a Bristol Freighter out of Australia several times in Vietnam and when I saw the movie ages ago that's what stuck in my head. Apologies to clarsach29.
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Thanks for the year's content! I discovered your channel this year and really enjoy it. Looking forward to 2023 and Disaster Breakdown 👍
Lol, my immidiate thought, when I saw that first picture of this weird plane was "damn, that looks like, some1 spliced the front of 1 plane to the back 2/3 of another plane". And thats pretty much, what they did!
Thanks for your hard work on your videos, I really enjoy them!! Happy new year to you, here's to 2023!!👍🍾
As always, an excellent video. Thank you for all of the great ones that you produce, Chloe. And also Chloe, I wish you a healthy New Year, a safe New Year, and last but not least... peace.
Tysm for all your work in 2022!!!!! your videos are always so entertaining and well produced
You told me a lot this year looking forward to your content in 2023. Happy new year!
I'm a history fan and I enjoy events like this that are little known in Aviation history. I had never heard of this aircraft before. Good show!
3:29: In other words, this particular plane walked so the Boeing 747 could run.
Happy New Year, Chloe!!! Thanks for another year of obscurities and lesser known incident and disaster videos!!! Looking forward to your next, as always... ;o)
Happy New Year, Chloe! Looking forward to your videos in 2023.
Lol, man. I know a thing or two about aviation (not nearly as much as you, of course) but I had *never* seen one of these planes before - well, aside from in Goldfinger, though I haven't watched that film since I was young. It really does look like, well, 'we already have the 747 at home', as others have noted. Fascinating. Great video as usual!
Very interesting and well documented video. Also, Thanks for put the names of the soundtrack music
Cargo in the front, passengers in the back. Sounds like a flying mullet
Thank you very much for music titles, have a happy new year!
Congratulatios on producing this excellent reconstruction and animation of a lesser known aicraft and accident. As a boy I saw many Carvairs operating into Manchester UK. Incidentally my hometown, Stockport, had it's own air disaster where another DC-4 derivative, the Canadair Argonaut, crashed in the middle of the town in June 1967, killing 72 people. There is a very good documentary on UA-cam (1 hour) titled Stockport Air Disaster. I have been surprised that no one has yet covered what was then, Britain's worst air crash, that during the subsequent investigation, was to have repucussions much wider. Well done, a very interesting video. Regards.
Lovely soothing voice and great videos. Many thanks for your interesting and accurate content. I've subscribed.
I love your visual reconstruction of this strange looking aircraft. What a great story! Well done. 😊
Wow!!!!! I always considered myself quite the aviation nut and pretty well versed on most aircraft. This one took me by surprise. Not only had I never heard of a Carvair, I had never seen a photo of it until this video. Really odd ball looking aircraft. Sort of resembles the Guppy. Have seen those and the DreamLifter. Good upload!!👌👍
Wishing you and your family a wonderful New Year's day!!! Thank you for the wonderful videos that you produce.
3:20 The hump on those two aircraft is there for the same reason-they look alike because they serve the same purpose. The 747 was merely a stopgap measure until the supersonic 2707 was ready, at which point all the 747s were intended to be converted into freighter aircraft. The cockpit of the 747 is positioned high so that a front-facing loading door can be accommodated, similar to what is seen in the Carvair.
I love aviation, and I'd never seen or heard of the Carvair until your video. Yeesh! Thanks for the info.
Marvelous video as always, thanks for this and all the other posts, have a great new year and onwards and upwards.
Happy New Year! I only recently found this channel but your presentations are top notch and I've spent some time binging. I look forward to seeing more in 2023!
Pilot error? Easier to dump on a deceased crew than face the fact that this airline had shoddy maintenance. These Hamilton Standard propellers require oil pressure to feather. Although they have their own dedicated oil pumps they cannot do their jobs when the oil is gone. He was able to feather the other one. But with two of the four engines out it's going to come down fairly quickly. RIP
Was looking for this comment. There is no good options when you lose 50% of your engines on takeoff low in the circuit while marginally overloaded.
Even the best crew can’t defy gravity. Easy to blame a dead crew who can’t defend themselves.
100%. Pilot error is a lazy conclusion and ignores that they successfully feathered the #4 and must have attempted to do the same to #2.
The crew literally did the best they could. Yeah blame the dead crew who can't defend themselves. Hurt their family and loved ones even more with the blatant defamation.
some part of me is weirdly unnerved by the fact that the cargo was loaded through the front 😂great video, as always! and a happy new year!! looking forward to what you've got lined up :)
Check out photos of the Super Guppy, or other planes meant for really big cargo. It's a usual design, and looks really cool.
@@grmpEqweer oh man what a weird looking thing!
The cargo variant of the 747 is a front loader too.
Thank you very much for your wonderful video's. I especially enjoy the older accidents.
Take care and have a very happy new year.
I'd never heard of or seen pictures of this plane until your Community notice a few days ago. Quite interesting.
1:46 That this is a very strange looking plane " 😂😂🤣
It's something we just ...need to get out of the way so what is the deal with this plane and why does it look like that" 😂😂
TRAINZ"
This plane was designed to crash!
It looks like if a 747 was stung by a bee
@@aesearby 😂😂🤣
@@redblade8160 Never seen this ever
I will never get over just how goofy that plane looks
Thank you for another great video! I remember these aircraft from my childhood when my father would drive us to Lydd or Southend Airport and we would use one of British Air Ferries airplanes to cross the channel for our holidays in France. I never knew they had such a poor accident rate, although I suspect that was due to poor maintenance with low budget carriers, rather than anything inherent to the Carvair. Thanks also for your mention of the Carvair's manufacturer - Aviation Traders, that was one of Sir Freddie Laker's ventures. Laker was a pioneer in aviation, challenging the traditional airlines with his low cost airline. He was, like Sir Richard Branson, something of a visionary. Happy New Year to you and to all your viewers.
The first Carvair conversion G-ANYB had already logged 37,000 hours before conversion, so these were already quite elderly aircraft before Aviation Traders started modifying them (with the approval and co-operation of Douglas, let it be said). I've no doubt that as they drifted from one low-budget freight airline to another the maintenance got progressively worse. If the ground engineers' attitude to their job was anything like the captain's it's small wonder it fell to bits.
We also know from the documentary "Goldfinger" that a Carvair can carry a gold-plated Rolls-Royce Phantom to the continent.
thanks for more amazing content, chloe!
Thanks!
Thanks so much!
@DisasterBreakdown look into the 2 Vicount crashes..1 at Rinway and 1 in Stockport Town center..both to do with Asymmetrical flaps getting James..,Happy New Year...
Excellent! I really enjoyed this video. Will you do the other Dominicana crash that was mentioned in this video.
40% crash rate...holy moly !
'Ccfffinair' might be a better name for it.
NunofyourBusiness.
No wonder there were only 4 passengers on board.
A Frankenplane...
Thanks for the Super Thanks. Much appreciated. Happy New Year!
@@DisasterBreakdown
You too, sweetie!💜
As a child I used to visit Dublin airport and remember these oddities parked on the apron . I am not too sure how long Aer Lingus kept them in it's fleet . Very interesting documentary and well narrated .
I used to work at Southend Airport in the 1960s where they were modified. I was a luggage loader for BAF which flew mainly cars to the European mainland. They seems pretty antiquated then.
An excellent 2023 and a lot of new videos.😄🥳🥳🥳
Interestingly, two of these Carvairs made their way to Honolulu in the 1980s and flew cargo to the neighbor islands for a regional carrier called Pacific Air Express. After working an operations manager at DHL Air Cargo in Hawaii, I was employed as a station manager for.short period of time with Pacific Air Express and oversaw the operations of these aircraft. Although my memory fails me somewhat, I believe one of these Carvairs suffered a controlled crash into a sugar cane field on a routine flight to Kahului, Maui, where all crew members survived including a buddy of mine. The 80s were a glorious time in aviation including this chapter for me personally. Thanks for your wonderful report on this aircraft!
I remember these car ferries flying out of Southend airport Essex England still climbing as they passed overhead of my town on the other side of the Thames estuary. Witnessed a near miss collision when waiting for a train at Kemsley one afternoon. A RAF Hawker Hunter was circling the area on a training mission I assume . I was in a left hand turn , gradual not steep , I happen to notice coming from his right at about the same altitude Carvair . Fortunately the RAF pilot spotted it a the same time and altered course. This was in perfect weather conditions , but it struck home to me how easy it was for those type of accidents to occur.
It would be a terrifying process to buy a second-hand plane.
Not if it has been properly maintained and recommended service intervals observed (with documentation) and is properly inspected before purchase. What is terrifying is ignorance.
Great video as always. The carvair was really an interesting plane. I’d like to recommend a disaster. National Air Cargo flight 102 - it’s a really interesting disaster. I remember seeing it on TV when it happened.
That evaluation sounds like my report card when I was a kid. “Needs to apply himself”. But then I wasn’t flying a plane in fourth grade.
I was 5 years old. This is an old plane 😔 😂
Great video. We are enjoying your Channel!
Happy New Year to all!!!
In Australia, new year has passed
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@@senabecool7232 In europe not
I was 6! Yes, we're old too
Great content, thanks! Happy New Year to all!
That is a weird looking plane very interesting thank you for posting
Happy New Year Chloe! 😁🙏🏼🎉
Great work! ✈
Very many years ago (1959/60/62) my family went on holidays in France which entailed a drive from the Channel coast right down to the Pyrenees (where they'd spent their honeymoon). I can still remember the most peculiar-shaped rather small aeroplane used to transport people's cars as well as the people themselves across the Channel, and it looked very much like this, i.e. with a very large hump at the front to take the cars. I think we would take off from Lydd or somewhere in Kent and land on or maybe a bit inland from the French coast. The clip at around 3:55 showing a car being loaded in at the front definitely brings back this memory (even if in the photo the car's just cargo). Very interesting of course that the commentary mentions mixed cargo and passenger aircraft. It must now I think of it have been one of these which we used to hop over the English Channel to France.
It might have also been a Bristol 170 Freighter which is similar, although smaller and a twin-engine design.
They were a very common predecessor to this airplane.
god imagine you die in a plane crash and everyone's focused on how goofy looking the plane was
that is a mighty strange looking plane!
no stranger looking than the 747
Another video to keep me entertained, Keep up the good work DB ☺️😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting video.... happy new year to you and yours
Lol, this is the first of your videos Im watching (loved, btw, subscribed!) but I looked at the 3d model and thought "hey, interesting, this UA-camr uses cartoon planes, which is ok, we just wanna know the story", then you showed a picture of the ACTUAL plane and I felt a bit awkward! Never saw that before!!! 🤣
excellent video!
So many plane crashes in the Dominican republic... 😮💨
I loved the 'what is the deal with thia airplane, and why does it look like that?' line delivered in your usual lovely calm oration.
Wow that’s all I can say! Absolutely love this channel!
Definitely a curious aircfaft. Given the captain's history, makes sense that the crew wouldn't handle the situation too well
Looks like a plane from Jimbo And The Jet Set
Me: Mom, can we get a 747?
Mom: Nope we got one at home.
747 at home:
For people whos wondering, that plane is the ATL-98.
Great job on video! And yes do a video on this model plane where 8 of the 21 crashed
Just looking at that front-heavy design leaves me bewildered that these ever got off the ground (and that was before seeing heavy cargo loaded into the front). That must have taken some interesting weight distribution and a seriously muscular set of engines to make this contraption fly.
It only appears "front heavy". You can bet that the C/G was near the chord line, as it must be.
No not really. The ATL-98 Carvair was built at Southend Airport, Essex, England in the 1960’s. It was a standard DC-4 with the new bulbous cargo compartment nose section added, as in the video. Another major change, apart from those made to the front fuselage, was the fact they used the Douglas DC-7 Vertical Stabiliser, replacing the DC-4’s standard tail. The P@W R2800 Twin Wasp Radials were exactly the same, so we’re the props. The Carvair initially carried 30 passengers in the rear fuselage, as well as two cars in the new nose section. When they were later converted to All-Cargo operations, water ballast or other cargo was loaded into the rear fuselage for balance and trim purposes!
Dystopia1111
It didn't stay long in the air.
@@pikachu6031 I'm no expert on aviation and don't claim to be, so I appreciate any additional info. Just the visual difference alone is intriguing, but the very high proportion of crashes for this model definitely invites follow-up questions.
@@UncleKennysPlace I'm sure it was - I maybe should have re-phrased that as 'How did they pull that off?'.
9:50
Don't plane-engines still need spark-plugs?
Your explanation of "compression until combustion" is aligned with a diesel engine but I believe kerosene still needs an external spark.
You are correct, but these engines ran on high octane aviation gasoline.
Bro just spawned the "Boeing 747-Propellar MAX Pro-6"
I agree with the thumbnail " what is this thing "
These planes were in the James Bond Goldfinger movie to carry Goldfinger's car.
Many thanks - another great video.
I am confused by your explanation of the #2 engine failure. Did the master rod fail? Did two link rods fail? Did two cylinders fail?
Read the accident report. Seams the #2 forward master rod failed in the area of the #6 link rod pin. The master rod section and #6 link attached battered and broke the remaining forward link rods and pistons. Those forces sheared the #6 and #8 cylinder hold down bolts. That was one destroyed engine. The airline lost its ticket soon after due to other engine failures with fatal results.
@@jayreiter268 crap engines!
@@alejandrayalanbowman367 I have not reread the report. I believe the aircraft still had P&W R2000's. These were not bad engines. They were state of the art of the time. The R2000 was a "bored out" R1830 to supply additional power for the C54. . Many of both types were made. A master rod failure of this type was very rare. When overhauls are done at proper intervals these faults are usually discovered in crack testing before failure.
Happy new year (disaster) xx
Very Odd looking Plane..
I remember in the 50s being woken up every morning at 4.30 am by those DC4s/C54s taking off and flying past my bedroom window on trooping flights to Cyprus during the troubles there.
You know stuff is about to go down as soon as 401 shows up on a flight
That or 191
What a shoddy investigation- couldn't say any more about the pilots handled it badly- other than not feathering the number 2 engine- could they definitely have set it no major indication that they were doing badly.
Failure of the PW 2000 on these aircraft were common as they were run continously at Maximum power.The aircraft was underpowered.
My understanding is that airplane propellers turn counter clockwise south of the equator.
Happy New year to you!
What sim are you using for this video? Is that FSX?
In this video, X-plane
What a strange looking plane! What does the cable between the tail and the back of the cockpit bump do?
mb2000.
It's a clothes line!
It is a radio aerial
@@alejandrayalanbowman367
You mean someone is flying the plane by radio control from the ground?
@@redblade8160 idiot!
Rumor has it that the Queen of the Skies had an abortion way back in June 1961, and the people whispered that it was odd looking, so they named this creature the ATL-98 Carvair.
Now you know the rest of the story.
"why does it look like that.." 😅😄😄 yes, indeed, why ?