The DEADLIEST CRASH of its time | Turkish Airlines flight 981
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- On the 3rd of March 1974, Turkish Airlines flight 981 crashed into the Ermenonville forest about 37km North East of Paris.
This was the second DC10 crash within two years and became the deadliest aviation accident of its time. In this video we will look into the reason behind this crash and what put it apart from American Airlines flight 96.
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Crash Site: @ STF / AFP / Getty Images
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Crash Site: @AirCrashMayday
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Crash Site Images: @Paul Roque / AP Photo
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Crash Monument: @ P.poschadel
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FDR: @GETTY IMAGES
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Field Image: @ tbhpartnership
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DC-10 Cargo Door: @ turkishdc10
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00:00 - Intro
01:08 - Chapter 1: A Brief History
02:27 - Chapter 2: Variations
07:06 - Chapter 3: Flight 981 Overview
09:52- Chapter 4: Takeoff
13:42 - Chapter 5: The Accident
15:53 - Chapter 6: Looking For Answers
20:55 - Chapter 7: Why Did This Happen?
22:26 - Chapter 8: Repercussions
24:33 - Chapter 9: Conclusions
26:36 - Outro
These are the best accident investigation videos on youtube, hands down! Eventually, I hope you can do a video about TACA 110 in this style.
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My dad was supposed to be on this flight. He was living in Paris at the time and was going back to England to see his parents. The night before the flight he went out and had one too many drinks, meaning the next morning he woke up a little hung over and a lot later than expected. Annoyed, he rushed to the airport to try and catch the flight he told his parents he would be on. He didn't make it. But he did make a later flight that day, unaware of how fate had intervened on his behalf. This was obviously well before instant communication and mobile phones, so needless to say, when he showed up some hours later in London, my grandparents thought they were seeing a ghost. RIP to the lives lost.
Wow 😮
I didn't know someone's life can be saved by getting drunk lol
Yeah sure.
@@cowboytanaka6675 thanks for your insightful contribution
Glad he didn't go down on this flight
@@groovechamp31 Proof or it didn’t happen. I’m sick of this.
Whenever you see that phrase "gentleman's agreement", read "corruption".
because that is what it is, Its corruption without the monetary bribe. Sadly its not even a US centric thing, Industry execs regularly try and get regulators to ease off because a full grounding would cost the industry and shareholders money. And while to us normal folks we say "Aww too bad shareholders lose money to preserve life" sadly companies will do whatever it takes to not do that, If corruption kills a few hundred, to them the wrongful death lawsuits are just an expense item to write off on their taxes.
In the context of events, the question arises as to how many such "agreements" Boeing still has with MAXes...
Hell yes.
@@filanfyretracker And no one will pay the price for the corruption since they hide behind the bureaucracy and government employees unions.
This is the brazilian reality
It’s a horrifying thought that 6 people were sucked out still in their seats… It’s almost impossible to imagine. Absolutely horrifying 😢
Was looking for a comment about this - an absolutely horrendous thought
Agree what those poor people must have been thinking when that happened. It must have been terrifying for them.
Do you think they would have still been alive when free falling in there seats?
@tonyc1167 No i think they passed out before hitting the ground
@@tonyc1167 Unfortunately yes those poor passengers would still be alive up u till their bodies hit the ground, it makes feel physically sick justing thinking about it.
I can’t imagine how that ground handler must have felt. Ultimately the accident wasn’t his fault, but living with the knowledge that he was the last thing standing in the way of a horrible death for 346 people must be awful.
If it wasn’t this flight it would’ve been a different flight. Either way it was something waiting to happen because of this “gentleman’s agreement”. Someone took money to not implement a regulation. Never seen that one before!
@@MYVloliDiruJP
Never seen?
I thought it was the general practice in the US. Just lobby some congressmen and your issue will be taken are of.
The ground handler must have been a little uninterested.
I am interested in earthquakes and I am able to recognise this word in many languages
Deprem, erdbeben, σεισμος, treblement de terre, terremoto, cutremur, aftershock, replica, tellúrico, etc.
Another example: when you see 'schütz' this must have something to do with safety, right? You don't need to be a deutsch learner able to read Goethe, to get the word 'safety' written in german.
I've been in France and it was quite disappointing to witness the natives ignoring english, and I mean active ignorance when one simply disregards what one don't want to know about. Just saying...
I'm not insinuating anything, it's a gentlemans agreement after all...
Jeez, I mean I was dreaming of being a pilot when I was a little child but seeing these men's dependence on sooo many other people's dedication, and accuracy and scrutiny, it seems even better I never set foot on board of an airplane.
Schütz hasn't increased after all. Some of the most terrible accidents should never happened.
We have a torque bent, but don't worry... caskets are still available (...)
@@SymbalonSmiradion I cringed so hard reading your little essay. Your claim that one would be able to understand entire instructions by recognizing single words is beyond ridiculous. And then you go on proving how ridiculous this is by embarrassing yourself vehemently with your own example. In German words starting with "schütz-" does have nothing to do with safety but PROTECTION. Then this is not the only meaning these words can have. Words like "Schütze" exist as well and this would mean shooter so nothing along the lines of safety or protection. There is also an actual word Schütz which is an electrical switch and after reading "Schütz hasn't increased after all" the cringe meter is shoots way through the roof. The word you are looking for is "Sicherheit". If a system is supposed to be operated by low-skilled workers they should be designed so they can be operated language independently and be fail-safe especially when lives are at stake.
@@originLa
So imagine now how even ridiculous could be if a ridiculous level of language skill could save some lives craving for ridiculous high speed transportation... Ridiculous Air should be a company name for a change, and this could probably save some lives. 'Save' is a ridiculous word after all ('I salute you all' = dissolve the gathering, get disassembled). My native language is greek, but I see not so a great discrepancy between safety and protection. Safety pin, for example doesn't like a protection measure to you? Please explain, if so... I have chosen deutsch as an example because many people can't stand it, being so complicated a language. I'd love to be able to read Goethe, but till then I have only to gather information by little details well understood, and be happy for my level of knowledge. Either way, I'd like to have the chance to flash in this ground handler's mind for him to get the greater picture at a glance.
Thank you for using the word 'cringe' which is difficult for me to ge the meaning of, either. I get it a little deeper now, even if the cringe meter got so far beyond bearings for you.
I was in fifth grade when this accident happened. One of our teachers lost both of her sons on Flight 981. They were both going back from Istanbul to London where they attended college. Both my teacher and her husband looked like empty shells from that day forward. I can still remember the sadness in her face to this day.
I'm sorry you had to experience the pain of this great loss indirectly yourself.
Wow, that is devastating. That hurt just to read.
Devastating.
@@melisaozge8158 WHAT?
@@melisaozge8158 Pardon ama nesi komik özgecik?
A very good presentation of what happened to the Turkish DC-10-10. Let me add a few comments: It took some time before the final crash report came out but soon after the crash we knew that it had something to do with the rear cargo door blowing off. We had the DC 10-30s and our new procedure before every flight was that ONLY the Flight Engineer ( fully trained on door closing) would close the door and check it.. When the final report was published, I was an instructor on DC-10s and Chief Pilot on DC-10. We did our simulator training and checks with Japan Airlines in Tokyo, and I flew there as soon as I could to discuss reproducing this problem with JAL engineers and instructors. Now, what the flight crew of the ill fated plane did not know (and almost any DC-10 pilot would not remember) is that the control cables ran under the cabin. Those cables were severed and no MANUAL control was available. BUT the cables for the AUTO Pilot ran through the cabin roof and were not affected by the blow out. It is instinctive for a pilot, when feeling something unusual happening to his aircraft, to disconnect the auto pilot and and feel the plane out. (Not anymore though) If the pilot had used the auto pilot (which was excellent on the DC-10) he could have controlled the aircraft and carried out an auto land at Orly. This was not the pilot's fault--VERY few pilots would have known this. With JAL cooperation we gave my next training crew the same problem after a briefing and they managed to bring the plane down safely. JAL was very interested because they also had DC-10s and must have used our exercise in their subsequent training. THIS is how a simulator should be used after the usual training and checks are done with. Keep up the good work Mentour Pilot-----I hope that there is no resentment for an old professional putting in his bit of info!
very interesting on AUTO pilot cable running thru cabin roof although Boeing also has most/all cables in ceiling...the author for Destination Disaster never mentions this for Turkish flight crash nor does the late Bryce McCormick AA flight 96..he claimed he could fly DC-10 series 30 w/no hydraulics by using just wing eng's thrust & idle #3 tail eng to bring ill fated nose up from nose down attitude saving Turkish flight which crashed 27 sec after cargo door explosion he learned this at Dallas flight simulator where the poor Turkish pilots did not have a clue to keep nose (pitch) of DC 10 up from crashing...
I don't understand? If the Autopilot Cables were intact, are you saying they have their own hydraulics?
@@Alvan81 the book Destination Disaster does not mention autopilot in relation to hydraulic pressure to control rudder so its another hypothetical now some autopilot systems have a feature to level out the wings...all my research shows was to idle tail eng then max thrust on wing eng's to bring plane out of nose-dive regards to Turkish flight crash..
Thanks for info
@@BudLight424 the Turkish DC-10 was also heavier, as it was carrying more passengers and load, so that might have had something to do with it.
Heartbreaking how some "gentleman's agreement" could lead to hundreds of deaths!
You mean Gangster's Agreement. It was the FAA's John Shaffer who put on a most pathetic defense later, saying "Service bulletins always worked well for me." A disgrace to the FAA.
I wonder whether Dan Applegate ever forgave himself for not breaking the rules to report the problem.
"I knew it was going to happen, but I wasn't allowed to warn anyone who cared" is one heck of a burden to carry.
You have mistaken FAA and McD fault with this poor individual
@@p.k.7111 No he hasn't, his comment is about the chain of command that Dan Applegate had to follow, and the fact that it was ineffective because his superiors did not raise his concerns with McDD. It's clearly not his fault in any way, but I suspect he would have had some "what if" thoughts after this terrible loss of life.
He knew it was still going to be a rare scenario so I don't think he lost sleep over it. When fate intervenes, there is nothing you can do, you'd be dead one way or another.
@@LateNightCigars "This will lead to a complete hull loss within the 20years of expected operation of this airplane"
Thats not fate my friend.
The production quality just keeps getting better on these videos!
That’s what I am working for! Glad to see it’s showing
@@MentourPilot 15:51: March 3, 1972
Silly mistake. Do you have any proofreaders? Just curious ;-)
@@MentourPilot Great presentation. Would love to see a video like this on PSA 182. I’ve heard that accident is still used in pilot training due to it being caused by pilot error. I’m a flight sim enthusiast and new subscriber. Thanks!
@@MentourPilot Excellent work on these accident videos. As the passenger 747 has been in the news a lot lately with all the retirements, any chance you can review the first 747 accident involving fatalities, namely Lufthansa 540 at Nairobi in November, 1974. I recently read a book written by a survivor of this harrowing accident.
@@MentourPilot well done and congratulations! Trust me when I say your productions are better than the documentaries I see on tv! Subscribed instantly. 😊
(The aviation industry have a lot of talented people, mentour pilot, captain Joe etc.)
When a maintenance item or repair is ordered for an aircraft, and that task is signed off on as completed but it really wasn't, in the aviation world that's called "pencil whipping". Whether it was management failing to order an aircraft mechanic to make the necessary modification, or a mechanic not performing the required work, _someone_ signed off on that door having been properly modified. In the case of Flight 981 that person, effectively, committed murder.
More like MASS murder.
manslaughter*
@@oliverplougmand2275 mass manslaughter?
This is what I was thinking. Who signed off on the door modifications?
This is the part that's inexplicably missing. Why isn't it reported who falsified the document claiming that the work had been done when it had not?
These videos are fascinating. I am a 79-year old widow who has only an average passenger history, but an above average appreciation for technical writing, which was my career. I applaud your accurate and organized use of language, something so rare, to enhance these exciting stories.
I actually wrote a paper on this very flight. So many chances to avoid this tragedy.
The 2 rows getting sucked out of the plane was the most disturbing part. They were falling so fast, many civilians on the ground heard this and thought they were being bombed. Makes my entire body cringe thinking about being strapped into those seats.
I did as well---not specifically on this flight, but on industry self-regulation in general.
@@mikeprevost8650 I don't understand why anyone would think industry self regulation is a good idea, it's like letting students set and mark their own exam
@@grassytramtracks The only ones that seem to think it's a good idea are the ones that stand to benefit from it.
@@something2061like politicians and rich businessmen. Hmm Trump for president!
This is the the catalysis that sunk McDonald Douglass. I honestly think criminal charges should have been brought towards the FAA directors that agreed to the gentleman's agreement to protect McD from the incident before with the previous door blowout.
Bravo, finally someone who got it!
That's all normal American business. Unfortunately, profits are bigger than losses of life for those people.
The way that the door latches were "manually altered" a few milimeters says to me that the engineers knew what was wrong, but instead of fixing it, they found a way to hide the problem. (Which is way worse than just ignoring it)
That's less of a matter of missing safety bulletins and borders on criminal negligence.
Basically when a warning light came on they took the warning bulb out = criminal manslaughter.
That's the weird part about this vid - the criminal negligence of whomever performed those alterations simply doesn't seem to be addressed. Why?? It's not a case of simple human error, but apparently deliberately ignoring the required specs. Why??
That appears to be one of the most astonishing things in this video. Some engineer (was it in manufacturing? Or was it the airline maintenance?) wilfully modified the mechanism to defeat the inter-lock safety mechanism.
I was about to comment on this before finding this comment. The fact that the alterations were found means that the investigation did note them. Was there no tracing further of how and why these alterations were made, and any culpability on those who did them?
@@Zhiroc The US goverment would never allow one of its citizens (especially an influential businessperson) to be sentenced for a crime by a foreign entity
A school friend of mine, her sister and parents all lost their lives in this crash. I've never forgotten it, or them.
I still remember the day when we received the call. I was only around 8-years old and after the call both my parents were in tears. My dad’s aunts daughter Rona Altunay was a stewardess on that ill fated flight. Her mother built that famous tombstone 🪦 where a DC-10 is built head down into the grave…RIP…If they hadn’t agreed on that gentleman’s agreement and issued an AD….
A gentleman agreement is just code for corruption in my opinion. Because of that, innocent lives were lost and so many more were affected. Sorry for your loss
You mean your dad’s cousin lol. But so sad, sorry for the loss of your relative 😭
@@yenh1144 What is it with y'all and the urgent need to correct people when it's clearly unnecessary??
@@runawayprophet4164 What's with y'all believing for some reason that correcting someone else's grammar or orthography is a bad thing
And yet, no one went to prison. We need to start holding people accountable- I mean they were going send that MECHANIC to prison, the one that indirectly cause the French Concorde disaster....
I met a man who was on this flight. However due to having a few drinks (as he was celebrating a five nations rugby match win for Ireland due to England and France drawing) ... he actually was not allowed to board due to being intoxicated and therefore those few drinks saved his life.
One of the rare occasions where getting drunk saved a life!!
@@mrkipling2201 "Rare occasion"? Have you never heard of drunk people
surviving all kinds of horrific accidents, even falling out of high windows?
How about "drunk" drivers who survived crashes? I know! I know!
To that, you'll come back by saying that they might have killed others in the process. Sadly, that does happen.
But focus on the fact: they somehow survive! In this example, the guy survived
by nothing more than sheer luck. Usually, drunk people, and small children survive horrific accidents because they are in an "altered state". The small
child has yet to grasp the idea of danger, the drunken person has lost it, tempo-rarely, and his body is limp, like a small child's body, unafraid.
Sorry about the "lecture". Thought you ought to know.
@@laszloujlaki2145 thanks for the info. I don’t drink alcohol so I wasn’t aware of that many instances!!
@@laszloujlaki2145 that's total b.s. drunk people that survive accidents do so by sheer luck not because they "lost the sense of danger". in fact quite the opposite is true; if they lost their sense of danger, they're more likely to get into situations where their life is in danger. They're also less likely to react as quick in a critical situation, because alcohol messes with your sensory perception and motor functions, raising the danger level, not lowering it.
Wow, I'll drink to that.
Thanks for making this- it’s the most comprehensive video on this tragedy I’ve seen. My husband was only 17 when he lost his mother in this flight. She was booked on British Airways but because of the baggage handlers strike she was moved to this flight. My husband still suffers from PTSD, but it hasn’t affected his life long aviation enthusiasm.
I am so sorry to hear that but happy that you found the video informative. Send my regards to your husband.
@@MentourPilot Classy reply, Petr. Your reports always carry that extra level of humanity and feeling that lift them above the rest. Thanks!
As a aircraft enthusiastic, I've read extensively on this particular crash. Like so many accidents , unfortunately a number of events leading up to the actual accident are factor's, like you mentioned the ba strike. I've always wanted to visit the memorial, not in a morbid way you understand, just because i have read so much about it. If i go one day you're partner will be in thoughts ,i cannot imagine the pain. He will be on my mind because i have read a your personal account you have shared.
I lost a school friend. Her sister and parents also died.
@@simons3896 This crash was a murder the guy who signed the paperwork that the doors were fixed did this.
Your moments of short silence after speaking about the victims show great respect for them.
I also really appreciate the humanity this shows. It’s not just a cold technical evaluation, but a human tragedy - also to you, Petter ❤
I also feel so much empathy for the people who were in charge of recovery. Having to see all those victims and the carnage would be horrific.
Indeed especially finding the 6 passengers that got sucked out of the cabin but still in their seats... can't imagine how horrific that would be to see. Such a horrible and preventable accident
@The Burbles Only 2 were among the large Japanese contingent aboard. The others were a Turk, one Vietnamese and two British ...
There are photos online. I just looked at a bunch of people were literally torn apart. There are upper torsos with heads still attached, arms legs headless torsos. Bodies pulverized. I mean everyone probably died instantly they didn't even have time to feel it luckily. But there's some gory pics out there
It's amazing how many of these tragedies could have been completely avoided if not for the corruption and greed prevalent in the business side of the airline industry.
Incidents like this are a perfect example of why the "free market" simply doesn't work and only allows for greed and corruption.
@@unbeatablesniper16 a free market would work if people actually spoke with their wallets. No business would take these risks if they knew a single incident like this would put them out of business for good. Unfortunately people continue to patronize shitty airlines and airlines continue to buy airplanes from shitty manufacturers all while being protected by government corruption and their insurance companies. The public should be boycotting these airlines after incidents like this happen. Their won't be "accidents" if these companies know for a fact they won't get away with it.
@@myrecommendedisallmemes Considering how many people believe fake news about COVID being a "myth", I don't trust the public to do the right thing in these cases.
If a building didn't have a proper fire safety inspection and people just assumed they did. Then if a fire happens dozens of people will likely die. Do you scrutinize a nightclub's sprinkler system before going on a night out with friends?
Probably not.
If people "vote with their wallets" after a tragedy, it's already too late... If companies aren't required to follow safety laws you know that greed will allow for risks.
There was a car manufacturer in the US (can't remember which one) who knew about a potential fault which could cause a danger to drivers. They decided it was cheaper to pay any unlikely lawsuits that could possibly occur as a result of this than it was to recall the whole fleet of that model and replace the faulty part.
Tell me which part of your car is likely to fail and cause a crash. I bet you don't even know.
Those passengers had no idea the cargo door was so badly designed so they weren't able to pre-emptively "vote with their wallets"
Hence regulatory bodies are needed to ensure safety.
@@unbeatablesniper16 very well said
@@unbeatablesniper16 Chevrolet Convair 60-63 is the car manufacturer and model.
I'm 47. I remember as a child, on the rare occasion we went on holiday not wanting to fly on a DC10. What a terrible avoidable disaster this was.
I'm that way as an adult for 737 MAXs.
@@mckennaConfig I understand. I guess I flew on a few Tri Stars that I thought were DC10s. It's difficult to tell a 737 800 to a Max
Interesting. I'm almost the same age as you (48), but I never had that as a child. For some reason fear of accidents didn't really enter my mind, or maybe it was because my father was very good with explaining probability in a way that reassured a small child?
I didn't fly a DC 10 until 1976, so that might have helped too.
@@Asptuber I think there was just a heightened publicity at the time I was starting to become aware as a child about such things. But it has never left me. I watch videos of MD211s on this platform, and I wonder who would pilot these things!
@@bentsignpost Now when you say that, the heightened publicity, I started to wonder if that might be a big reason why I was never scared of flying: I was very small, and adults around me must have been talking about it, and they probably took great care to explain how unlikely these things were.
The DC-10 was the first plane I was aware of having flown. Never crossed my mind to be scared of it (except for the engines, for some reason as child I was terrified of jet engines, did NOT want to walk anywhere near them - very sensible, but a bit weird). It was just one plane among many, but bigger.
First plane I thought was scary was weirdly enough the De Havilland Comet - which I of course have never even seen IRL, and the disasters mainly happened in 1954. But there was something truly frightening about a design that had failure built in. Probably read about it when I was about 10 or so and it made a huge impact on me. (Shades of MAX in some ways, but much scarier.)
As a pilot, these kinds of accidents give me the creeps, when no one in the cockpit could've done anything to stop it ( loss of flight controls ), as they were already dead as soon as the decompression happened.
I'm completely taken aback that a bunch of people did not go to jail for this! It's a quintessential case of Airline corruption.
Even more so when you find out they knew about this problem even before American Airlines, as this happened during testing of the DC-10, but they ignored it due to completion
Even today this keeps happening. The 737MAX incidents come to mind, and just a few days ago another 737 door blew off just like this, but at least the plane managed to land safely with no deaths or injuries.
It's not the airline that was responsible for the design flaw, it was McDonald Douglas
The baggage handler who closed the cargo door went to jail when he was the last guy to blame. The Turkish Airlines ground crews who filed down the pins on the locking mechanism also went to jail. What's sickening is that McDonnell Douglas got slaps on the wrists and the FAA got off scot free.
Omg! The people getting sucked out of the plane, and they could be seen on radar, made every hair on my neck stand up. 😳
That radar echo was probably the cargo door and metal debris. Bodies will not show on radar.
This would be the cleanest best pleasure 😀
Apparently it took around 2 minutes for those people to fall, so if they'd not been killed while getting ejected, they could conceivably watch the plane crash before they did. Eek...
That is so disturbing!
@@domfjbrown75 WRONG! The plane was diving then Leveled because thats what planes do with no controls. So the passengers hit the ground way before the plane did. One hell of a ride down either way.. 😒🙈
I cannot imagine the mental pressure on that innocent aft cargo door handler after the flight crashes, thinking that he killed the entire flight by this own hands
If the instructions were written in English and he was never required to learn English, than I think he might be able to believe it wasn't his fault. Because what the hell was he supposed to do?
@@Edax_Royeaux but nevertheless this incident will be etched into his mind forever, that if he were to check that lock, no one would be dead
@@MIO9_sh If he checked the lock, he wouldn't be able to understand what he was looking at. He wouldn't know what to look for, you might as well have asked a passenger to check the locks.
@@sorphin Simple put, it was a lazy fix by McDonald Douglas to put language instructions by the cargo door that airport workers can't read in foreign airports, instead of fixing the damn door. MD rushed the plane design in a way that it was a disaster bound to happen.
Everyone involved messed up. DCD with the sign that needs to be read (ever heard of pictograms?), the company that didn't require English skills to operate aviation equipment, the guy who saw a huge sign he couldn't read and thought "yeah, whatever, gonna be just fine". Any one of those factors could have halted this series of events.
An excerpt from the book: Destination Disaster (1976)
_"When (Police) Captain Jacques Lannier arrived at the crash site, he was confronted by a nightmare. "On my left, over a distance of 400 or 500 meters, the trees were hacked and mangled. In front of me, in the valley, the trees were even more severely hacked and the wreckage even greater. There were fragments of bodies and pieces of flesh which were hardly recognizable. In front of me, not far from where I stood, there were two hands clasping each other, a man's hand tightly holding a women's hand, two hands that withstood disintegration. The forest was silent. The spring birdsong had been utterly extinguished."_
Yes. Thank you for quoting this. That is the real horror-picture of this crash. The story of Captain Jacques Lannier, the commanding police officer at the crash scene, is one of the closest you can get to understand what such a crash really mean. The book "Destination Disaster" from Paul Eddy about this crash is still very worthy to read.
@@NicolaW72 Yes, and that coupled with the picture next to it. So sad indeed, and not a body in sight.
Oh, jeez...!😦😢
*recognisable
@@Chris-nn3vu Both spellings are correct!
You should be a teacher. You make people interested in everything you are saying. You know how to capture an audience and not only that but you also detail and explain everything incredibly well. Congratulations on the excellent UA-cam aviation channel.
Thank you!
He is a teacher
@@jeremysmith9694 :) Cool.
@@beflabbergasted325 lmao
@@housemana :)
This series is “absolutely fantastic”, no pun intended!
Glad you find it interesting!
So what is the difference between fantastic and "absolutely fantastic"?
@@justayoutuber1906 "Absolutely fantastic" is copirighted by mentour xD
Hahaha
We need that T-shirt!
This is now reaching TV documentary-level quality... from back when there were actual documentaries on TV, I mean. Incredibly well done!
thinking: "documentary level..." Hmmm that's quite an insult.
"from back..." ah, ok, I get what you mean...
I remember reading that bodies were found in Lockerbie and would shatter very easily whereas a container didn't.
@@stanislavkostarnov2157 I agree. His videos have surpassed TV level because he doesn't have a bunch of people and suits and neckties controlling his content. He maintains his personal level of integrity.
I started working for MC Donnell Douglas in Toronto in January of 1979. There was a book that came out about the Turkish crash, called the "The Last 9 Minutes" which went into great detail on the design flaw of too small vents to equalise the pressure in case of decompression. The lawsuits were going on and things like the bogus inspector stamp came out. One of the guys I worked with, was reading it at lunch, and a foreman saw it. He was let go at the end of the week. I remember graffiti in the washrooms, (they removed it as fast as they could) which said "DC-10 standard equipment includes last will and testaments for all aboard". When I started there I had delusions on what aircraft manufacture process were, clean work areas, tools that were top of the line and people that actually gave a damn. Wrong. I decided there and then never to fly on one of theirs again. I left just after Canada decided to buy the CF-18.
I wonder if the standards for quality dropped when McDonnell merged with Douglas in 1967. Douglas made some great airplanes like the DC-3 aka C-47, one of the most successful airplanes ever built. In 1960 I flew on an SAS DC-7 from LAX to Copenhagen. I was only 4 yrs old but still have vivid memories of the flight.
@@austindarrenor You may well be right. I saw things during the 2 1/2 years I worked in the Toronto plant that scared the crap out of me. Everything from holes filled with putty and pained over, to half the guys on shift out in the alley smoking joints or drinking during break or lunch. We had a problem with the drivematic riveting machines, they kept drilling in the wrong place. Being as you have about a 2 second cycle from move to move, stopping it while watching a tv monitor was pretty hard. We used to wedge pennies into the trigger of the deadman switch because it would cramp your hand badly after about 10 minutes. Needless to say stopping it in time was a joke. But every time it happened it was ALWAYS the workers fault. Finally a foreman of mine who was leaving anyway started trying to figure out why. The machine tapes were aok, it was the jig for placing the stringers on the wing skin that has been changed and the tape makers missed that memo. One night he had us blow holes in 4 panels. The chit storm next morning was fierce, they were gonna fire us all until he handed the change order to the head honcho. I saw guys riveting drill shavings and cigarette butts under those Y shaped stringers. Yeah, The work ethic there left a lot to be desired.
@@sabrekai8706 The sad thing is is that if proper testing had been done on the floor vents that were there to equalize pressure the Turkish Airlines DC-10 would have landed safely, just minus a cargo door. But MD was rushed to get it done because of the competition with Lockheed's L-1011. The L-1011 being a much better airplane like for example having an extra redundant control system that the DC-10 didn't have. If the DC-10 had that extra system like the L-1011 the crash in Sioux City wouldn't have occurred.
@@austindarrenor they were warned about it when the first fuselage came back from another company who built it. (North American?) with a big note that said exactly that. The Last 9 minutes makes for some really good reading, with a look into some of the shenanigans corporations pull.
@@sabrekai8706 IKR. Shenanigans that result in terrible tragedies.
My grand auntie’s husband was on this flight. It’s still spoken about in the family to this day. He was only 29.
Wow!! Amazing video. Rest in peace everyone. My mom who was a flight attendant at the time for Turkish Airlines talks about this crash all the time. Biggest loss of life at the time...
Yes, this was a true disaster. Give my regards to your mum.
I still have the Tissot watch of a Turkish academic, a friend of my father, who lost his life there. He was married to a hostess and it was a free ticket flight.
@andrew kruth to a flight attendant
@andrew kruth that i wouldn't know I'm sorry.I was just referring to hostess,it means flight attendant in Turkish.
I love the fact you got so much respect when you're telling the story and brake it down gently with soft music showing the images of the horrific crash site. R.I.P to those poor souls.🧡⚘
As a current commercial pilot with 25 years experience,thank you for a very interesting video. Particularly like your calm, considered and non emotional précis of events. Such a difference from some efforts that don’t focus on the what’s and whys. Looking forward to more in the future. 👍
I don't really know what motivates you to create this videos, but i beg you to continue. This series is one of the best aviation related content on youtube, it's quality, information and amount of work included in those videos just amazes me. Keep this awesome job, Mentour.
I asked Mentour to start making these videos as i have seen all the Air Crash Investigation/Mayday dvds and wanted to know what happens from a pilot's perspective. Mentour is doing an awesome job and am looking forward to many more videos
Money, money, money is the quick answer
@@EFFEZE What a crap comment of your's.
@@whukriede to be fair, he IS gaining money with this and almost all of the great people on YT are looking to gain money in someway. It's not that it's the only motivation but it usually does play a big role on motivating people to work. (then again, he already works as a pilot so YT money is probably not even close to what his job pays him.) But if money is one of the motivations that means he will work hard for it too, so it's not always a bad thing to assume. (not saying the dude commenting didn't have the intent to insult because they clearly did...But sometimes people saying that money is a motivation are just reminding us that we live in a capitalist society and money IS and usually WILL BE one of if not the only motivation.)
@@guiteshima True, and very well said !! Money makes the world go round !!
no more "gentlemen's agreements" when it comes to safety
False. MCAS is that one. Just happened pre-production.
@@AlexandrKovalenko I wont be flying on a max for a while because of that one
@@AlexandrKovalenko The Dreamliner battery debacle also had some hellmarks of FAA putting commercial interests before its official mandate :/
It happens all the time. The problem is that there is only a monetary penalty for failing to address safety concerns, so it becomes a balance of whether it costs more to fix the problem or kill more people. What they need to do is hold the people in charge criminally responsible. The two people who reached that "gentleman's agreement" should have been put in prison for life. Apparently, there were calls to hold the baggage handler criminally responsible, but he was untrained, and the notice wasn't in one of the three languages he could read so it really wasn't his fault. When the problem is systemic, the people at the top need to be held criminally liable.
@@StarkRG Not just people. We need the corporate death penalty, meaning for certain offenses the entire company is killed off, giving each and every employee of that company a strong incentive to avoid those offenses.
I knew one of the passengers who died in this accident. I know another person, who I saw this week, who had a ticket but missed the flight due to a delay caused by a minor road traffic accident. Both had been to Paris to support the Welsh rugby team. In 1987 I flew on a British Caledonian DC10, from Dallas to London. IAt the time, it was one of the most comfortable aircraft I'd flown on.
There was a quite a bit of ticket switching at the last minute. One man got on the plane, then got off when he found out his wife had flown to Paris to meet him. They had no way of knowing they were in a life and death lottery. When the barrier was about to close, and some 10 passengers w tickets would be turned away, two passengers flipped a coin to see who would get on. Also, they found lots of passports in the wreckage of people still alive and well. Apparently, many of the outbound passengers to Paris were flying on others' passports. This is one reason the ID process went on interminably. (See the book, "The Last Nine Minutes" for the whole story."
The captain (Oral Ulusman) was a best friend of my Father and they were a friend's from Turkish Air Force.
Also he / his family was our neighborhood for a long time.
I can say that this accident is one of the biggest one accident out of Human Factor included THY accident history.
All lost rests in peace.:(
Sounds like the two executives who made the “gentleman’s agreement” should have faced criminal charges ☹️
Yea, the electric chair.
Same. I want to know. I need closure 😐
@@hittinitsidways and how would killing even more people improve anything? (At least, improve anything beyond your infantile desire to hurt others when you feel hurt)
@@jpe1 justice for killing almost 400 people. Do you think its fair that these executive are having good life while the families of those 396 people are in pain ? What type of justice would you recommend for those people ?
@@jpe1 hyperbole thy name is john early . Lmao
My parents were in the air heading for Istanbul when this happened and I had a few hours of personal worry until it became clear exactly which aircraft had crashed. They arrived at their hotel in Istanbul to find the staff in tears as they had just said goodbye to many of the passengers who had boarded the DC10. What a terrible day. From afar I felt for the families who lost loved ones that day.
I totally agree with you. I would have felt terrible for them as well. Glad that your parents were ok though. 👍👍
That's unusual for hotel staff to know what specific aircraft their guests are flying on. Even the package holidays of the time would be very unlikely to have provided such information to hotel staff.
How could the hotel staff in Istanbul say goodbye to guests that were flying from france...
@@derekstuart5234 they didn't, he's lying
@@lars-akechesburg9911 it never happened, he's a 12yo looking for attention
As a 15 year old teen living in California, I took a flight to Germany on a DC10 in September 1972. Good thing I hadn't heard of this at the time.
Subtitles at 15:47 are incorrect, the commemoration stone (as well as the spoken text) have the correct date: March 3, 1974.
It’s amazing how something can be so tragic yet technically interesting at the same time to people who find engineering interesting. You are credit to the aviation world and a true gentleman. I would feel very secure hearing your voice over a cabin PA system.
I’m actually a woman studying nuclear engineering. It’s quite interesting to figure out how to make the world a better place and admitting that one small mistake is a big deal through the ethical lens
@@audreybrown916 why do you emphasis the fact that your a women, i do not understand
Seriously speaking , the quality is setting new standards and breaking records !
Rest in peace victims.
In my opinion one of the most devastating final report to read was that of flydubai flight 981
That report shook me to the very core
Yes, I was looking at that this week since it’s an anniversary but decided it was a bit to fresh still..
@Mentour Pilot could you please suggest a forum from where I can get to read the final report of JAL 123?
@@MentourPilot 981 doesn't seem to be a good flight number, does it !
My uncle was with MD in Long Beach, CA all through the 70's. We went to a company picnic in 79, after American 191. We wore pins that said "I love the DC-10 with a red heart. It was a tough time for him.
I can imagine…
@@MentourPilot I've been connected to quite a few incidents. Witness to 2. Air Florida Flight 90 and Delta Flight 191 in DFW. My Grandmother's friend, Genevieve Foley from Palos Verdes, CA. perished on Pan-Am 1736 in Tenerife. Your channel is an education. Good onya! Safe travels.
It is utterly heartbreaking that none of the previous mistakes that took place two years prior to this disaster, in the American 96 flight, were acted on. So many lives needlessly lost and so many families destroyed as a result. Thank you so much for these amazing videos.
I lost a family member on Turkish Airlines in 74 along with school friends who went to Paris very devastating. I was small but I new what was going on though. May they all rest in peace and God Bless there souls.
So sad.
Were the parties to the "Gentlemen's Agreement" subsequently dealt with? It was clear that the viewing window was a nice feature but was not really addressing the basic issues with the Death Cruiser. The L-1011 was a far superior aircraft. Thanks Pettr for some great crash studies that you've been featuring. Very thorough and informative.
Don't be silly, executives at the top of big corporations have big lawyers looking after them, and are paying off all the politicians. Whether it's banks, medical industry, aviation industry, and everything inbetween. People further down the line get penalised for any mistakes, but the people at the top can do whatever they like and will still be completely free living in their mansions on 7 figure salaries.
If CEOs started dying in really painful ways when people died because of their decisions, they might think twice. Just a thought
The DC-10/MD-11 was a better economical proposition once they fixed all the problems (with way too many martyrs).
I have just found this channel and am totally engrossed by it. I want to say that I find your manner and presentation style to be thoroughly engaging, whilst at the same time utterly respectful of the fact that lives were lost in these tragedies. You explain complicated material in a very easy to follow way.
spent thousands of hours maintaining the DC10 series as a traveling tech. I’ve always thought had it not been for the cargo door, and the Engine issues that it had at different times , that it was one of the best wide bodies ever built. It was built like a tank and the pilots loved flying them. It had one of the biggest flight decks in the industry. Large windows for great views, especially 1st observer. The worst part of being a technician was working that #2 engine. We called it ascending the hell hole. Not fun
It must have been easier than the Tristar's #2?
I remember this disaster very well. We had a minute's silence to think of the lives lost in assembly at school soon after. I loved flying in DV10s - I referred to them as the E-type Jaguar of the skies because of the acceleration on take off. Never experienced one like it in recent years thanks to fly by wire and noise and pollution controls. RIP to all the lives lost and my condolences to their relatives and descendants.
@@shanewaterman4125 Very cool. So check this out. In the mid 90’s we bought 2 DC-10-15’s from AeroMexico or Mexicana (can’t remember who). A -15 u might ask? Well, they were built specifically for AeroMexico to fly out of places like Mexico City where it’s high altitude and high temperatures. It was essentially the DC10-10 airframe and with the DC10-30 engines. So with these higher rated engines on the lighter weight airframe it turned these into rockets. I remember departing out of somewhere in South or Central America and on this departure you essentially had to do a 360 degree climbing turn and we had to be at a minimum altitude by the waypoint in order to clear the terrain. Those -15’s performed spot on as we were well above the minimum safe altitude as we crossed over the mountain range. I’m not sure how many -15’s Douglas built, but it wasn’t many at all. I think I heard 4 all going to Aeromexico. Those were some great memories😊
@@cchris874 Actually I also did some line maintenance on the L1011 tristar and that had an S duct much like the 727 did. Lockheed mounted that #2 engine much lower than the DC-10. Since the engine on the Douglas aircraft was mounted so much higher it created a lot of problems for maintenance, specifically engine changes. So I would rate the ease of maintenance on the Lockheed a B grade while the Douglas gets a D grade.
@@AndrewJones-cx6kl
Interesting.
This was excellent. My late father was an aeronautical engineer and I appreciate these accident reviews. We used to have "what went wrong" conversations and this is taking the place of those. Thanks so much.
Heartbreaking, I can't even begin to imagine the terror they all felt. May God rest their souls.
The people who were party to the 'Gentleman's Agreement' should face jail time.
As always you break down the accident in such a way even non pilots, like me, can understand what happened. You indeed the best accident video explains online. Thank you so much. Blessings and be safe. 😀
Feel awful for the guy that closed that door. Not his fault but i imagine it's still devastating.
That was my thought too. Poor guy wasn't properly trained and had no idea what to look for, but I can't imagine how he could not be blaming himself.
Strange that the cockpit crew didnt pick up a problem when they were doing there push back checks .
@@wloffblizz He is not totally blameless. He kissed off anything he couldn't understand, that is negligence.
@@JohnS916 that is a bullshit statement. It is a reasonable expectation to be trained on anything that important. He didn't "kiss it off".
@@Blackwind_Legacy Yeeees, Clearly as an Adult, you shouldn't be expected to ask when there's something you don't understand ...
As an addendum to this story, McDonnell Douglas calculated that it would be cheaper to suffer three airframe losses rather than redesign and refit the existing fleet. The computerised passenger booking system was modified after the Paris crash to record details of the victims and links between them and surviving family members. This system was subsequently modified and sold to various police forces to assist in the conduct of large or complex investigations. The British system was called HOLMES, the Home Office Linked Major Enquiry System. McDonnel Douglas branded terminals were used as desktop entry systems to a remote server system. So McDonnell Douglas eventually ended up making a profit from this disaster!
As was and is usual, tenders were invited from other manufacturers for similar systems and three broadly compatible systems were used across the UK, but the McDonnell Douglas system was regarded as the gold standard against which other systems were judged.
Exactly... how many AnCap/Reaganomics apologists are you trying to bring down on your own head, as opposed to Stateside-Grade-"school"-trained monkeys? Just out of (arguably morbid) curiosity...
@@seand.g423 You mean capitalism apologists. That is the true evil, capitalism.
@@samhhaincat2703 wtf is this, a comment thread or a suicide booth?
I’ve watched many, many videos of yours over the last few days. They’re absolutely fascinating and so well explained that I feel I can understand even the most complex of stuff. I really appreciate how well planned and executed your videos are, and for how informative they are. Thank you for all your hard work! I can tell you’re passionate about the topic, it seeps into the the way you speak in all of your videos
I was in the US Army stationed in Turkey 1976-77. At the time, the airport in Istanbul still had the wreckage of THY 981 sitting in plain view along the side of the main runway! It was pointed out by the pilots of our U-21 that I was a passenger on one day.
That’s so interesting and morbid!
I know they keep it for the reconstruction to find the cause of the accident and then usually send to scrap once all the investigations and reports are done, but I’ve never heard of them keeping the wreckage.
I've never heard of this. How did they get the wreckage from Ermenonville to Istanbul?
Love this series; have always been interested in aviation accidents watching programs like Mayday, Air Crash Investigations, and Air Disasters but getting insight from a veteran pilot really adds to my understanding of what happened and why. Excellent work!
Rest In Peace to all the victims.
Yes. RIP.
Exactly
Amen 🙏💔😢
I'm going to hell for this but I think it's more like rest in pieces.
@@Nexalian_Gamer yep your Definatetly going to 😈👹👺🔥🔥 💯% ✔️😆😆
I occasionally have bad dreams about DC 10s having trouble in the air. I think they were even kind of scary looking with that humongous engine on the vertical stabilizer. The Lockheed L 1011 was a beautiful tri jet.
The L1011 was much safer because it included a hand crank as a backup for the system controls.
I saw the first video of this incident and noticed how they prioritized the door latch issue over the lack of vents causing depressurization to collapse the floor, I even commented that I thought the lack of vents causing internal structural damage that then caused damage to the flight controls seemed like the worse issue and was baffled as to why there was no stronger action taken in regards to it. Then this incident two years later proved the case, while rapid depressurization is bad it's not as bad as losing all of your controls and having people sucked out of the passenger cabin.
This has become one of my favorite series on UA-cam. It's both scary and reassuring at the same time, but really makes you respect the industry as a whole. Trevlig helg!
Hum... in this case the FAA, the aircraft manufacturer and the previous owner of the DC-10 all failed their duty over financial loss concerns.
@@Rubafix989 That's the scary part of course. The reassuring part is that they are constantly improving faulty protocols and behaviors to ensure safe flights. It's not for nothing it's one of the safest (if not the safest) mean of traveling.
As an aviation enthusiast, I'm glad I found this channel. I don't know if you take requests, but if it's possible, could you explain JAL 123? Great vid!
It’s on my list. Another terrible event
@@MentourPilot these tragedies are oddly fascinating. And coming from a seasoned pilot it’s even more interesting. Please do more of these!
@@MentourPilot Please add PSA 182 to that list as well!
@@MentourPilot Another request... Alaska 261.
I feel for the ATCs, the realisation of what that trailing blip was must have been pretty brutal.
Hopefully they lost consciousness immediately otherwise that fall would have been more terrifying than anything imaginable.
@@heathmcrigsby they had to have lost conciousness before they hit the ground. Falling from that height as fast as they would have, they wouldn't be able to breathe and would have been unconcious. It might not have been instant though
I can only imagine being the ATC controller watching the radar and seeing that and-- before any details of the crash are revealed-- just thinking it must've been some random piece of the aircraft that broke off. Then later finding out you watched the radar signal of passengers being sucked out of the aircraft through decompression and free-falling to their deaths. They would've died anyway since the whole flight was doomed, but that's an exceptionally horrifying way to go.
@@AshleesBathroom 12000 feet is 4000m. Some people live at this altitude. Emergency descent it to 10000 feet I think, so people can breathe. So, it's very unlikely they lost their consciousness due to thin air.
Although, there is a high chance some of them hit something with their head during leaving the plane.
@@AshleesBathroomPeople can skydive from up to 14k feet without supplemental oxygen. Unfortunately, it is unlikely they went unconscious.
I just wanted to say I've been bingeing your channel for a couple of days now and I really wanted to thank you for taking the time to break down the videos into chapters! I frequently lose track of the little details and need to go back to rewatch something and the chapters make it so easy!
Me too. I'm bright but not a genius so I have to review scenarios again. Pettor does speak in rapid succession and if its technical it takes a bit of absorption and digestion time.
The DC-10 is a nice example for something that I as an engineer am always saying: "Errors don't come alone. If you find one, everything around it probably also isn't in a good condition.". And actually this has even been shown for software bugs. 20% of software code usually contain 80% of the bugs (pareto principle). Therefore, when I pick up products which already had a couple of problems, I'm still reluctant to buy and use them, because it is super likely that there is more to find. And the DC-10 had a couple of accidents and incidents which (almost) all have separate causes and still new issues kept popping up. You fix one thing and the next issue pops up. It took a few updates until the DC-10 had all the design mistakes weeded out, but at that point the image of the DC-10 and McDonnell Douglas was already damaged beyond repair...
And by the time it regained some semblance of safety it was basically obsolete, except for cargo operations. The MD11 carries on the DC-10s ghostly heritage in the cargo business.
agreed.
The crash that gave the DC-10 the nickname Death Cruiser-10
See also: Flight 191 in Chicago, and the Flight of the Night Owl
"The crash that gave the DC-10 the nickname Death Cruiser-10"
Indeed, or the Douglas Coffin 10.
The interesting thing is that in reality the DC-10 and its variants (the MD-10 and so forth) went on to become a very reliable and safe series of aircraft.
None the less, I remember a flight in the late 1990s when I was travelling in the US where I overheard a worried passenger asking one of the flight attendants, is this the same plane that the doors sometimes fall off ? It all goes to show that a good reputation is hard won, and easily lost. A lesson that Boeing should have been well aware of before the 737 max debacle. Never let the company mark its own homework, and never let the bean counters run the safety committee.
Daily Crash 10 and May Day 11
Such a beautiful aircraft, also the MD-11. Shame on MD for ruinning their reputation and ultimately dooming the manufacturer forever.
@@xinmiao7521 Nope, the MD-11 was and still is a great bird. It was the final attempt of MD to redeem such a bad reputation, but it was too late.
0:01 Intro
1:08 Chapter 1: A Brief History
2:27 Chapter 2: Variations
7:06 Chapter 3: Flight 981 Overview
9:52 Chapter 4: Takeoff
13:42 Chapter 5: The Accident
15:53 Chapter 6: Looking For Answers
20:55 Chapter 7: Why Did This Happen?
22:26 Chapter 8: Repercussions
24:33 Chapter 9: Conclusions
26:36 Outro
Just want you to know that your videos are so brilliantly constructed and the way you tell each story is fascinating. My husband & I have zero aviation experience apart from flying as passengers. But we find your story telling style brilliant. Just want to give credit to you and let you know that what you are doing is appreciated. Thank you.
A truly horrific series of events but I have to commend the way in which you discussed them. You have a certain quietly respectful dignity about your presentation, remaining factual without being sensationalist and, crucially, recognising that people died here. You handled your review of the developing catastrophe with a perfect mix of technical information and tact. Thank you.
Two of my fathers sales guys were killed on this flight. I will never forget it.
This is an excellent channel. The material is well researched and the presentation is impeccable. Just stating the facts and telling the story as a straightforward narrative, instead of trying to sensationise it. I hope plenty of budding and experienced pilots learn from these videos, as they can literally save lives.
Peter, your compassion describing this horrible accident is evident through the entire video.
You Sir. are a wonderful man 👨
The way these vids are laid out, chapter by chapter, the detailed, accurate animations with radar displays, especially the mechanical parts animations, and easy to understand commentary are amazing! Absolutely killer videos @mentourpilot thanks Petter !!
This one was sad. 100% preventable if they simply followed the technical bulletin and didn't just say they did.
It's really almost as if someone sabotaged the cargo door on purpose
@@R2Bl3nd That as well. It looks like someone previously had had trouble getting the door locked and modified safety items to hide his difficulty.
Exactly ...
@@millomweb i cannot wrap my head around why whoever sabotaged that door didn't end up in jail
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei It should be recorded - and yes, totally agree.
I was young and living in Izmir. I will not forget the grief! I found this thorough and excellent YT channel and have watched several videos. Outstanding reports.
There is a really good book about this called Destination Disaster. I read this in the early 80s. The book is in two halves. One about what happened, and the other covers the investigation and technical background. Hope this is helpful
I wonder if the "gentleman's agreement" included a bag of money.
That's what the "financial implications" meant - albiet indirectly....
maybe the kids got into a famious school -dont need to be money
It most likely did.
Ofcourse they don’t care about the people that die, they just care about money.
To these parasites, money that doesnt need to be spent is money earning interest.
Profit before people.
When a corporation says "Your safety is our highest priority"
LIES!!!!
The bitter part of this story is there was numerous opportunities, all missed, to have avoided this tragic accident but, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Another brilliantly told and explained crash investigation by Mr. "king of the air" Captain Petter
You just don’t do Gentlemen agreement when people’s lives are at stakes
Beautifully done. Very respectful yet detailed & informative video.
that plunge must have been terrifying
I really appreciate the effort you have made to help educate laymen like myself in the world of air crash investigations. Really well done, bravo!
Cheers from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Love this channel, incredibly informative and well-presented. Took my first flying lesson the other day, oh my word, it was only a Cessna but totally overwhelmed by all the dials. The guys and girls who fly the big pax planes, hats off to them.
Hallo , my name is Christian, I'm not a pilot , but i was a cabin crew member medium haul and long haul , at Sabena airlines (Belgium) and Van Gaever Airlines , between 1990 and 2003. First I want to thank you for the way , you retrieve information and how you investigate. My deep beloved uncle , was on that flight....I was only 7 when it happened , but I still remember very well , that particular day. I do have a few questions for you , as I heard a remark (almost 20 years later, 1997) between several pilots , discussing this tragic crash. 1) Does the autopilot , uses the same wiring for the controls , or did they implement a separate wiring for the autopilot (through the ceiling) as a precaution , after this crash ? 2)The remark I heard , was that ' if they would have gotten to autopilot , this crash could have been prevented '. Is that true ?
As I told you , I don't know anything about this subject ,I'm not a pilot ; but I was shocked when I heard this comment . I would be very grateful , if you can answer me these questions. There was some surprising information in your video , that I didn't know , and that weren't in the books , published , in the years that followed.
My uncle was William (Bill) Hayes
Best regards ,
Christian De Jonge
Glad I found this channel, excellent content well done!
This crash was one of the most important in terms of the evolution of reliability on board the aircraft. Not for the evolutions that were ordered by the FAA afterwards, but for those of the mentalities and the knowledge of the phenomena of explosive decompression.
Since the end of the 70's, the following evolutions have taken place:
- Appearance of intra-level ventilations (dado panel for Airbus / Return air grid for Boeing) which allow the air to move freely between the cabin and the cargo area in case of depressurization.
- Reinforcement of the floor by about 20% on average (more structural parts, reinforced materials...)
- Flight controls bypass the floor at critical points to avoid being cut
- Redundancy of the flight controls in case of rupture (several cables/hydraulic circuits doing the same thing but located at different areas in case one would fail)
- A complete and accurate decompression analysis is now mandatory for the certification of any new aircraft. The analysis is more reliable thanks to the arrival of finite element analysis software which allows to obtain pressure difference values applied on the floor.
If the floor yields at 5 PSId , then engineers are working to ensure that the most critical case of decompression does not exceed 3 PSId, leaving a 3.5 PSId margin (official Boeing value for the B777, at the rear of the A/C).
In short, this long text is intended to reassure nervous flyers by showing that in 50 years the reliability and safety on board has been considerably improved.
So the next time you fly, look at the squircle shape pannel located below the windows at your feet. These are the panels that would save your life today.
Bye, take care all :-)
My work career started as coal fireman on a steamship and ended as a machinist, however your descriptions make everything very clear to me. Always interesting, thanks.
Alaskan Airways door issue has brought me here!
Excellent as usual. Love how there's no acting out the scene and dramatisation, unlike Air Accident programs on TV. Here, the facts are clearly delivered and in a way that even the non avionic expert can grasp.
As a child, I remember whenever my grandmother traveled by air, relatives would be relieved to hear that her flight wasn't on a DC-10. People would inquire, even into the early 1990's, whether or not if I was flying on a DC-10. It is not until I have watched both the 1972 and 1974 DC-10 crashes as explained on this channel do I truly understand the concerns. Oh how terrifying and preventable these tragedies were😔
Exactly that sentiment. I went from Germany to Central America in 1974 in a DC-10 (Lufthansa), and all of us were aware of that accident and the reputation of this type of aircraft.
Don't forget the DC10 that crashed in Chicago after the engine fell off. But after what's happened with Boeing, I worry about flying on any of them!
Also 1978 or 79 engine separation, Another that lost all hydraulics after center engine blade ruptured hydraulic lines in the 1980s.
Interesting - I flew to Dallas from London in 1997 and the woman at the check in mentioned the aircraft was a DC10. I was in my mid-thirties but even so I had a few moments of such disquiet even tho I was a kid when the cargo door accidents took place. (I did go in the end and of course it was uneventful...)
I travelled on DC10s a few times after 1974 and never worried. Design flaws were rectified and the safety record thereafter was comparable to similar era passenger jets. Unfortunately people couldn't forget these 2 incidents and the 1979 flight 191 incident. That one was caused by improper maintenance procedures used at American Airlines.
Thank you for explaining this tragic accident. In the eighties I always tried to avoid flying DC10. In 1991 I learned about the problems with DC9 and tried to avoid MD planes altogether.
DC-10 has a really bad reputation, no wonder why not many people want to fly with it.
You really do an amazing job with these videos. Such a great perspective to lend to these events.
13:30 is actually terrifying. Imagine being an ATC seeing that and later finding out you were seeing people falling to their death
Imagine actually being the ppl falling to your death. I know there’s some discussion about situations when a person may or may not be conscious depending on certain factors but, while we CAN say at certain points a person would mostly likely be unconscious, at the end of the day we don’t know for sure bc we can’t interview any of these ppl.
@@mjallen1308 I hope for them that they were pumped full of adrenaline so that they could better endure the horror of the last few seconds of their lives. The very idea of it scares me. What pure horror.
@@tychobra1 same here! A few days ago, I saw a YTber posted a video about plane crashes and I was curious to know “What does it feel like to be in a plane crash” and I found a Quora post about one survivor who was in a crash in South America. She was sucked out the plane, I believe, but blacked out and came to after she was already on the ground and had to trek through the jungle to civilization. They theorized that others may have been survived but either got lost searching for help or were too injured to move and by the time she got help, it was too late. But what disturbed me more was another link and this guy had posted pictures of the Malaysia Airlines crash that was shot down and they showed the bodies still strapped into their seats and their belongings like coloring books, phones, tablets, etc and it looked as if they COULD just get up and brush themselves off bc their bodies were intact but you know that they won’t. It was so unsettling and it made me wonder whether or not they were killed instantly when the plane was first shot and how many, if any, were alive while the plane was going down. I imagine that everyone who wasn’t dead was killed instantly but it’s like every time I hear more stories, it’s like you hear about ppl surviving and dying later. I’m not afraid to fly but it’s always something that just sends chills down my spine bc while the odds are low it can happen to anyone, at any time, twice in one day, three times in a day - you just never know with how these companies cut costs and make bad decisions, as well as the pilots. I pray and hope that anyone involved in a crash feels no anxiety, pain, etc but deep down, I know life just doesn’t work like that but like you said, I hope I’d be so pumped full of adrenaline or even on enough percs to be out of it.
@@mjallen1308 That was Juliana Koepke. The plane was a Lockheed L-188 Electra that flew into a severe thunderstorm in the late 1970s. A bolt of lightning caused the plane to disintegrate. She remembers sitting in a row of three seats and the rain forest below looked like "broccoli" as it got closer. The row of seats spun, sort of how Maple tree seeds fall to the ground and the jungle canopy softened the landing. She survived for a week on a box of candy and survival skills taught to her by her father. I have her book and it is an amazing story.
@@eucliduschaumeau8813 yes yes yes that’s her name! Omg I just can’t even imagine! Now that I think about it, I think I remember hearing about her story on one of those UA-cam channels that recount ppl’s stories. Props to her bc I couldn’t even imagine doing that.
I have been binge watching your entire channel the past couple weeks. Sir, you have not only earned my subscription, you have earned my respect, not only for the work you do everyday, but for bringing so much awareness to the general public. Thank you Petter. I look forward to many more videos to come.
New subscriber. Great analysis of flight disasters. Been bingeing all day. I've watched other channels but yours are the best, hands down. I like how you roll.
I am addicted to your videos for a number of reasons: your commentary deals with reason (but half of it I can't remember which is OK because it makes sense at the time), the visuals are amazing and in the end I just want to know why; your ability to decipher all this from reports is amazing. Keep it up...I spend more time here than anywhere else on youtube. I don't like flying, but I'd fly with you anytime.