What Happened to Vito Corleone's First Consigliere?
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- In the godfather, tom hagen is the acting consigliere for the first film for both vito and michael corleone. But who was the first? Vito had to have a consigliere when he was on his come up to great power. That someone was genco, he aided vito on his rise and the two were best friends. But what happened to him, and why is he not seen in the first movie? Watch to find out!
Genco is literally the guy they go visit in the hospital after the wedding.
True...but that is a deleted scene so most people would not have seen it
I wish they never deleted the hospital scene.i read it in the book. It's a good scene.
Yes it is!! 👍..AND there are a number of other deleted scenes that were great, especially the scenes where the Adult Don Vito, when back in Sicily, gets revenge by killing the two guys who worked for the local Don, who wanted to find and kill him when he was a young boy, just before he escaped to the US.
Good and scary.
Wish I could buy the entire Godfathers I & II in chronological order. I remember that it was shown on TV without commercial interruptions. I VCRd it and have lost the tape. Would appreciate anyone that could put me in touch with anyone who has a copy. Thanks
I know what happened, he quantum leaped to 1990 and changed his name to Carbone and again worked for Deniro in Goodfellas.
They absolutely never should've deleted the Genco scene.
He died of cancer early in the first film.
Even believed Vito could have a talk with Death and "Make him an offer he din't refuse".
@@TheMalmut He said that Death would see Don Vito and be afraid of him and leave Genco in peace.
They were from the same village, but not close friends. Vito didn’t talk as a kid.
I’m sure he did talk as a kid. He probably stopped talking after seeing his family murdered. His mother right before his eyes
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Genco was killed and hung in a meat locker till he was frozen solid.
The ladies would agree that he was hung
Well done.
😂😂😂😂
It took two days to thaw him out for the autopsy
@@patricktiglaoA crossover joke! Genious! 👏👏👏
One thing that puzzled me: Genco is so proud to show Vito his actress girlfriend (is this whom he marries, Allegra?) but when they go backstage and Fannuci threatena her and her father, Vito seems ready to attack the thug, but Genco shows cowardice and he slinks off even as a knife is held to his girl friend's face. One might think this sort of cowardly behavior would disqualify Genco from being in such a position. However, maybe Puzo and Coppola had show us this deliberately: Maybe Genco's caution is exactly why Vito chose him as an advisor. I feel like this explanation is a stretch, but I would be interested in what others think.
As the video mentions, the hospital scene which was important in the book was cut completely and I think this was a very good idea because it lessened the impact of the crucial later scene in the hospital where Vito is recovering from being shot. Another version, The Godfather Saga, shows us a lot of cut scenes and in most cases, it seems to me that removing the footage was a very big improvement although some of it was quite interesting. If you read the book and watch either Saga or I guess search for video of this cut footage, you will see from stuff that obviously should have been edited out, but also interesting footage that was removed maybe to be consistent with other edits or for other reasons. There is the quite sad thing about a child star who works for Woltz -- when Hagen flies to LA and enters the sound stage, he sees a birthday celebration in which the child star receives a pony (and this is interesting based on what happens later to the studio head) -- this and some other scenes are totally removed from The Godfather but not The Saga -- the young actress, who sadly passed away before the film was released, is completely uncredited and I vaguely recall that this was at her parents' request because of the clear implication that Woltz was abusing her. The actress passed as a young teenager and this afaik is her only film role.
I think you make a great point about Genco showing caution and logic rather than rash emotion when his girl is threatened. Vito needed someone that would not let bravado interfere with his decision making process.
If we assume that the underboss succession of the Corleone family is anything like that of the Gambino family, it doesn't make any sense to me either. Underboss became repository in 80s/90s Gambino family of their most vile sociopaths: Delacrocce, Bilotti, DeCicco, Gravano. Perhaps a better translation for *consigliere* is "undertaker". Men of reason, disconnected from the daily toil of intimidation might just be the least realistic part of the entire damn movie~!
@@intelligenthoodlum33 Exactly.
The scene also shows how feared Fannuci was. Only Vito had the courage to take him on. Even Clemenza and Tessio, brave as they are, didn't want to stand up to him. Really underscores the bravery of Vito and one of the many reason he became the Don.
@@afernan5 Vito in another cut scene (was it in this video?) figures out that Fanucci is not a real boss, based on the attack by three youngsters. The man, although a genuinely awful person, is essentially a fraud.
Yeah, Jencho should of have more time in the movie. The godfather is one of my favorite movies. I have seen it dozens and dozens of times.
We only really know what a consigliere is nowadays. In 1972, people wouldn’t have gotten the importance of the position
Well said.
I find it so ironic how even a movie like The Godfather which many will call one of the greatest films ever made still had to cut some scenes that would have made it even better.
Relax
I'd like it if they would release the movie with all the cut scenes - or at least, all the ones consistent with the story...
Look up the Godfather Saga, its has every deleted scene
That's not ironic.
@@nathand4500 don’t you think?
I was lucky enough to see the Godfather Saga as my first Godfather viewing and therefore saw that deleted scene and always knew who Genco was. I really think the films with the deleted scenes is the real version.
I’d love to see a Godfather Redux where all three of the films, together with the deleted scenes, are reassembled into the chronological order, and released as one. Mr Coppola, are you listening?
The Godfather Epic is the name of what you refer. It was on HBO in 2016 and is the best version of this...similar to the TV movie version The Godfather Saga from the late 70's. Though, G3 is out of all.
A consiglieri wouldn't be involved in any of the illegal activities of Vito, Tessio, and Clemenza. He's the counselor, able to give objective, outside advice. He's the public face who handles delicate situations. He's not a criminal, because there needs to be someone without a criminal record to do those things a criminal cannot do
Idk about godfather lore but irl the consigliere would have their own rackets from before they got promoted and would get a slice of the money kicked up to the administration.
@@ford-wp1yq You are absolutely correct. The original comment is utter nonsense.
@@cameronjones8641 Exactly, Tom Hagen is a rare case of a lawyer becoming the consiglerie. All real mafias they just promote a fellow gangster.
Hes also supposed to be a master of the rules of cosa nostra and liason between other families, and help smooth out inner family disputes
Nonsense. Consiglieri is a mobster, to become one you have to be a made men
he was standing in the crowd when sonny was beating up carlo rizzi.
I caught that too. Director probably saw him and was like "Hey you! can you say, its a spicy meatball in an Italian accent? You're hired for the second movie."
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@3:20 Genco didn't offer to steal food, in the movie.
That's right, it was Abbandando, Sr.
Wait a minute, the guy at the broadway show with Vito, the one dating the girl performing isn’t the guy Vito worked with for his father. The one in the scene at Genco store front when the landlord comes. Those were 2 different people. Are you guys all nuts or am I ?
I think they made the right choice regarding screentime for Genco. The focus needed to stay on Vito and Michael.
He couldn't trust clemenza or tessio. He knew that you know, but you're spot on bro. You're pretty much spot on because you would have to know jenko since he was a kid for him to trust him that much. He didn't know clemenza or tessio that long
Imagine If this could of come out on Netflix and been longer
Genco was a distant relative of Vito Andolini
A Genco flashback character counseling a teenage Michael could have helped Godfather 3 in the absense of Robert Duvall.
I think Genco was selected as consigliere because he most likely had many of the political and social contacts from his father's grocery. He knew the major and key players for different projects.
Also, my impression is that Genco was a legitimate businessman, in contrast to Clemenza and Tessio, who were already in the rackets and gun running.
As much as I would have liked to see more of this character, he was actually superfluous. He would have been, at best, a minor character in the first film and the backstory of Clemenza and Tessio was probably more important in the second.
Someone should ask Coppola if he still has any other Genco scenes he had to cut for the studio. I always thought he was too easygoing and interested in the ladies to be a wiseguy. I do remember in the book when they all come to pay respects while he is dying, and the power of the godfather fails to save him. He is one of the last direct connections to the old country.
Genko disappeared just like the actor Frank Sivero who played him.
He magically reappeared in Goodfellas!
The Godfather 1 & 2 is a masterpiece it's a shame it wasn't a longer movie.
I always wanted to know more of Tom Hagen background even though he is adopted i wanted to see him and sonny story as in the book come into film that would be dope. In the book Don Corleone unofficially adopts him meaning he was taken in and became a child of his under the same roof as the biological children out of respect of Tom Hagens biological parents he never went to do that.
There could only be so many plot lines and characters you could fit into a film as opposed to a book. What's easy to keep up with as a reader becomes convoluted, hard to follow and eventually boring for a film viewer. What made both Godfather films work was constant flow and narrative of the many stories it did include from the book if not all. It's called 'fan-service' to try and please the original fans who can never really be satisfied.
vito intentionally makes clemenza his capo and enforcer before luca brazi because he knew clemenza was a hot head and vicious thus needed more supervision, on the other hand tessio was smart and cunning enough to run his own thing well enough that they thought he was independent from the Corleone family.
Also vito made sure that both of them would never be allowed to meet without his knowledge or permission to avoid betrayal.
Neither would have been considered to act as the consigliere
Good video except for how exactly would the store owner (papa Genco) steal groceries from himself to give to Vito?
I remember a death-bed scene with the old consigliari. May have been a director cut or something
Gen I never made sense to me. He was the war time consigliere but showed fear against fanucci (opera and father’s store) and showed fear of death at the hospital. Why would that personality type be great at war?
Coppola cut out a lot of scenes that made sense and connected to other scenes.
I believe the Abbandando's were family friends of the Corleone's in Sicily and Vito was raised by them in America. I think this is either referred to in the Michael in Sicily portion of the book or in the book the Sicilian if I remember correctly.
Coppola should put out an extended version for Godfather 1 and 2. Never mind Godfather 3. The only way to improve that movie is to edit out Sofia Coppola scenes and replace it with Winona Ryder, if that is technically feasible.
Not Hells Kitchen, they’re in Little Italy,. The Irish were in Hells Kitchen.
Genco was a wily old fox.
What were Vito's choices - Genco, Clemenza and Tessio? Genco was the earliest friend before the other two strangers, Genco was a Sicilian and not a rash man.. that and further shrewd dealings would have given the godfather enough reasons to consider Genco as a consiglieri. Hagen - the adopted son- became the new Consiglieri because he was an - "American" - lawyer and wanted to work with the Don. Don trained him to be a consiglieri, so that was always a shortcoming because he was not a Sicilian, because of Hagen the Corleone family was called the Irish Gang as a joke. Hagen failed to control or anticipate the attack on Don, Luka, Sonny and the power of drug business, maybe not his fault but that was under his watch, also he had a mistress- a big issue for don and Michael as it showed lack of loyalty to his own wife and children was the reason enough for him to be side-lined later. The temper and other reason Sonny was never considered to be a good next don was that sonny was a womanizer, and that Old Don knew to be a big flaw. All that Sollozzo mess eventually had a bit of blood cleaning and paved the way to Michael becoming the Don - a shrewd successor. Mario Puzo wrote about family, loyalty and betryal.. like a Greek tragedy.
He's also carbone in Goodfellas
People on here saying they should’ve left this scene in and that scene. They said it would be ten hours long if they left everything you wanted in the movie. Calm down. 😏
Yes
Are you kidding? The movie wasn’t a documentary.
I'm betting that several years from now, they'll probably make a miniseries out of the Godfather that will have much more material from the book. Of course, that means Lucy Mancini will move to Nevada and live happily ever after with Dr. Jules instead of having Sonny's child and dying young.
When did she die young in the movie?
If they did, Michael would become Mikhaila, Vito would be Victoria and Sonny would be Sarah and we would all enjoy a gender swapped girl boss movie about bringing down the mafia's evil patriarchal system. I hope they don't, thank you very much.
@@aishabintabubakr4944 I don't know that she did. The only time I remember seeing her in any of the movies was in the first when she and Sonny were clinching at Connie's wedding and Tom was knocking on the door outside to tell Sonny that Vito wanted to see him. I got the impression that she was dead by part III, which would have meant she died relatively young.
@@cameronjones8641 A miniseries would be a chance to use all of those great subplots from the book that the film didn't have time for, like the backstories of Luca Brasi and Philomena, Albert Neri, Lucy and Jules, Kay's dilemma and eventual conversion to Catholicism, Johnny and Nino, Johnny's Oscar, Johnny's wives, Nino's alcoholism, young Sonny bringing Tom home for the first time, and too many others to mention. Sounds like you have a personal issue.
@MsLogjam I was never questioning the potential of what it could be and I would be all over it if it was done with respect to the source material.
The AI narration is annoying
AI narration always is.
It is so monotone and lifeless.
Always is. No emotion. No intonation. Just flat
Very annoying.
Agree 100%..How "expensive" must to be to have a REAL PERSON read those lines?
Gencos family smuggled Vito into America. In the book.
He ended up in a Freezer in the back of a truck
They had to thaw him out for the autopsy
Vito should have thought Tom a son and taken him to visit Geico.
The narrator is wrong so many times lol
He died while on the job how is that passed over? Maybe Tessio and Clemenza can make that claim but not this guy
Genco died of cancer
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Genco Died everybody who seen the Godfathers 1 & 2 knows since 1974 😂 what happened. They even had A deleted scene were the Godfather visits a dying Genco who asks if the godfather could ask god to spare his life and Vito saying he has no such power a touching scene which i felt they should have added and i think did in later years in re- releases also why can't people narrate there own videos the lazines what happend? ??? 😂
He went to get the papers the papers
They found him in an ice truck
Took them 3 days to thaw him out bf they could do an autopsy
Last I saw he was in a meat truck... frozen solid...
Genco died.
Nothing-burger.
In the book Genco played a part, but Tom took over when Genco got sick.
Viti visited Genco in the hospital personally and Genco asked if Vito could scare away Death.
Pretty disappointing....click bait
This guy loves to over think the movie. ITS ONLY A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Consigliere is overblown in the movies. The role wasn't that important. He didn't earn. He often wasn't even a soldier. Heck, it was often the case that the boss's DRIVER often became the consigliere. Why? Because the driver heard everything and was in an incredibly trusted position of both driving and protecting the boss.
That's why Vito could make Tom the new consiglieri, despite the fact that Tom was not only not Sicilian, he wasn't even Italian. And it's why Michael could shuffle Tom off to Nevada--he just wasn't that important to the business. The boss got most of his support from his capo regimes. In this case, that was Clemenza and Tessio. Sure, Genco was an exception, but the appointment of Tom show just what an exception it was.
I disagree. The consigliere is very important and that's why Vito made Tom his. This move was great for two reasons. One, Tom was a lawyer. What better way to navigate a changing world than to assign the role to someone that can help you find loopholes and stay out of jail. Secondly, it sends a message to their civilian associates that they aren't the conventional greasy haired mob of the old days... they are a 'reasonable' family.
@@intelligenthoodlum33 Within the context of the movie, sure. I'm talking about real life.
And definitely genco helped Vito come into America so that's another big thing
No, he was a wartime culteliary. That's a different type of conciliary you know what I'm saying so Tom Hagen was a different sort of concierge because he knew you know a lot because he was. You know Corleone's son Vito's son adopted son you know so he was going to be concierge also because he's not Italian. You know that doesn't sit well with me but it's his son. She's constantly. He's a lawyer also. You know so he knows a lot you know and he knows all the businesses they're in. Who else could be better for concealerie than a level-headed Irishman but then again he wasn't Italian