I keep saying it, but you are the perfect person to do these kind of things. Your voice is very clear and you explain it in such a manor that it is very pleasant to listen to. Again, a very well made video. You know what you're talking about and the edits are very very good! I hope you will continue and can find interesting subjects to report or review about. But any subject you choose is very interesting. Thank you very much for willing to do this and make such good video's and making them available on youtube. Sorry if I don't know what else to say, but my knowledge about MAC in general is very poor.. But thanks to you I get well informed!
Thanks for the kind words! I definitely have some more interesting topics that I want to cover in videos like this! Hopefully you’ll be seeing those in the near future :)
05:00 Don't forget to mention the "Classic Environment" feature from around this time! These versions of Mac OS X would ship with an additional Mac OS 9 installer disc. You could install OS 9 "inside" of Mac OS X, and run OS 9 applications in "Classic" mode, which was like an emulator(? not sure exactly how it worked), complete with the OS 9 desktop and Platinum theme. That was always interesting to me.
Porting from the classic 'Toolbox' to Carbon required more than a simple 'tune up'! It's just that OSX's native development environment was so completely foreign that porting an application required a total rewrite in a completely different language and environment. Carbon continued to be used because of this and developers were only forced to use Cocoa/AppKit when Apple switched to 64bit. It's still around and still useful for a few things.
Microsoft and Apple once again changed the version number in 2021: Apple: macOS 11 (Big Sur) -> macOS 12 (Monterrey). Microsoft: Windows 10 -> Windows 11 (Leaked Beta).
I realize this was only a 13 minute video, but this felt surprisingly brief and surface level. Each version barely got enough time to be properly discussed, and it sometimes seemed like there was more going on in the screenshots than was even mentioned by the voiceover. I wanted to hear more about the awkward transition/handling of System 9 apps on early versions of OS X. It kind of felt like this video was originally twice this long and it was forcibly cut down to this size. I may be a bit biased in regards to usually watching retrospectives and such that are 30+ minutes long, but I would've preferred a longer video that actually gave this stuff the time it needed to be explored and the impact shown. I also realize this is a years-old video, so commenting on it now may be kind of worthless. But yeah. Thank you for the effort though! Of course, each person has their own opinion. I'm enjoying your more recent stuff! :)
It can't be overstated just how much the crappy MacOS during the 90s hurt that company. I know it's easier to pin their problems on hardware etc and it's true in part but MacOS was next-level crappy. OSX was basically necessary and they decided to do it right.
Apple didn’t replace Blue Box with Carbon. They added Carbon and renamed Blue Box to Classic Mode for marketing purposes Also Mac OS X server 1.0 didn’t include carbon
I saw glasses ad before this, On a more on topic note This is a REALLY good video and you did a good job with the audio and footage and research, maybe you could give another operating system the same treatment( I know you did video on development builds of versions of Windows like XP and Vista but it would be cool to see this for a different OS). That's all I have to say for now, bye.
One minor correction: Lion was sold on physical media, a $69 USB drive; Mountain Lion was the first version to be sold exclusively in the App Store. You can still find some NOS Lion USB drives on eBay.
Use macOS as my main driver computer OS since switching after the release of Windows 10 and haven't looked back. Planning o switch fully to Linux soon.
I've done them all.Windows is "fine" if you want to play games. I do like linux but I can run most linux (command line) programs from the bash terminal thanks to Brew… So it's really hard to go back to linux and give up xcode for coding c++. It's my favorite ide, debugging on it is just so easy.
@@LemonChieff I heard that Microsoft Visual Studio is great for C++, personnaly I think the way Xcode organise files is weird, not just opening directories but usine "workspaces" Edit: Mb just sax the 1 year ago lol
I'm using the latest beta of macOS Mojave. I think it's way better. It feels faster. I don't know if it's just me but it genuinely feels faster and I didn't do a fresh install, I just upgraded to Mojave beta (Like I've done in the past with Yosemite) after a time machine backup. The dark mode is great, especially in xcode. I've been wanting that for a while. All my software from high sierra works. I really like it. It's not adding useless shit, it just makes the shit we already have better.
I’m always dropping such videos on the OS X version 10.6, as well as I dropped it back in 2010s switching to Debian fro PowerPC. But now Apple has M processors, and I’m thinkin bout giving it another chance, broken by the switch to x86 I don’t wish to use
I had alot of problems with Mac OS X Lion. I remember all the kernel panics and the stability of apps was very unstable. Mountain Lion was way better and fixed alot of issues I was having.
Snow Leopard already had the App Store, this is why Apple sells the disc. I had a Mac with Leopard and I bought the S Leopard CD and from there, through the App Store, I could upgrade to El Capitan.
I actually really do miss Snow Leopard 10.6.8. It just worked, and on top of that, it actually REMEMBERED all of my individual window view settings!!! Only thing missing from Snow Leopard in my opinion would have been PPC support… I still have a couple older machines stuck on 10.4 (since 10.5 sucked) and wish dearly that I had 10.6.8 on them!
The 10.4 Tiger is the best OSX release ever in my opinion. It's so stable, light, fast and polished and can run beautifully on anything from a 300MHz G3 with 128MB RAM to Quad Xeon Mac Pro. The 10.5 Leopard is definitely the worst one ever. Apple did a good job with Snow Leopard and later releases but they never got to a point of making a perfect OS such as Tiger used to be.
Leopard works great on my 1.25ghz eMac, it gives me way for more choices, this old thing being my gaming rig. Only thing I miss is Classic support but Classic mostly sucks since Jaguar so....
With every new macOS release, there are always a bunch of whiners. I love reading their comments on various Apple focused blog sites. They assume everyone agrees with them, and they always think that their unique problem must be happening with everyone. They whine on these sites instead of calling AppleCare. I have never had a problem with a new macOS release, except for my upgrade to OS 8.1, but that's so long ago, I don't care.
@@stephanemignot100 Oh i am too, i bought a used mac , first mac OSX style so i could check it out and relate... WINDOWS 10 is trash and WINDOWS 11 is worse.
@@stephanemignot100 but at least it was fun and entertaining to use, not boring and so damn much a memory hog! i have had my share of blue screens in all oses.. BUT 10 and 11 are the worse
I love the mac's features today, but I was so sad when Yosemite launched. I quickly missed the style from previous OS's. Today, I look at windows 10, and Big Sur, and miss the fine details put into the design of the OS's. Now it's flat, and lifeless imo. Thanks for the vid m8, I enjoyed it!
hey Michael! just letting u know there are a couple of flaws: 1) the Mac app store was first introduced in an update in snow leopard 2) you could still buy a physical copy of Lion on a flash drive other than that you did a good job! keep up the good work!
@computers with nikita nikita There was an official version of Lion on a USB drive sold by Apple for $69. Any version after Lion on a USB drive would have to be unofficial.
The dark mode is awesome! I wanted something like this for my Windows laptop a long time but decided against it when I had to change the registry entries for color shades myself and didn't want to go through the hassle and possible malfunctions as I only followed descriptions of other but couldn't have fixed anything myself if something broke.
So apparently I've been mispronouncing OS X wrong the entire time. Pronouncing the X instead of saying "OS 10" 😁 Though in my defense I have very little experience using Macs (and most of the ones I have had were really old ones that had Windows installed on them cause they were way out of date on OS X).
I loved Mac Os X Snow Leopard... Too bad I accidentally destroyed my install disc because MICROSOFT IS EVIL when it comes to *NOT* deleting all your data. I kinda liked the old, 3D-ish graphics.
Please do a chronological comparison of Windows and Mac similar to what you have here and with your Windows versions. So many videos just show screenshots that only show key UI. Thank you
I think this is not only mac OS that dropped the "10" numbering. The next OS is Monterrey, with version 12. And don't forget the leaked Windows 11 release.
Why is your voice so perfect for retrospects?
Nobody knows???????????????????????????????
hmm
Idk and I’m im late
I guess it’s because he talks in a calm and clear voice and not at 768 miles per hour
His voice is perfect for discussing any topic well
I keep saying it, but you are the perfect person to do these kind of things. Your voice is very clear and you explain it in such a manor that it is very pleasant to listen to.
Again, a very well made video. You know what you're talking about and the edits are very very good!
I hope you will continue and can find interesting subjects to report or review about. But any subject you choose is very interesting.
Thank you very much for willing to do this and make such good video's and making them available on youtube.
Sorry if I don't know what else to say, but my knowledge about MAC in general is very poor.. But thanks to you I get well informed!
Thanks for the kind words! I definitely have some more interesting topics that I want to cover in videos like this! Hopefully you’ll be seeing those in the near future :)
05:00 Don't forget to mention the "Classic Environment" feature from around this time! These versions of Mac OS X would ship with an additional Mac OS 9 installer disc. You could install OS 9 "inside" of Mac OS X, and run OS 9 applications in "Classic" mode, which was like an emulator(? not sure exactly how it worked), complete with the OS 9 desktop and Platinum theme. That was always interesting to me.
classic mode was a kind of virtualization, not emulation
It’s basically like using the coherence mode on parallels but with OS 9 on PowerPC.
Porting from the classic 'Toolbox' to Carbon required more than a simple 'tune up'! It's just that OSX's native development environment was so completely foreign that porting an application required a total rewrite in a completely different language and environment.
Carbon continued to be used because of this and developers were only forced to use Cocoa/AppKit when Apple switched to 64bit. It's still around and still useful for a few things.
yeah carbon is still around on macOS you just can't use the gui portions of it.
Microsoft and Apple once again changed the version number in 2021:
Apple: macOS 11 (Big Sur) -> macOS 12 (Monterrey).
Microsoft: Windows 10 -> Windows 11 (Leaked Beta).
I realize this was only a 13 minute video, but this felt surprisingly brief and surface level. Each version barely got enough time to be properly discussed, and it sometimes seemed like there was more going on in the screenshots than was even mentioned by the voiceover. I wanted to hear more about the awkward transition/handling of System 9 apps on early versions of OS X. It kind of felt like this video was originally twice this long and it was forcibly cut down to this size. I may be a bit biased in regards to usually watching retrospectives and such that are 30+ minutes long, but I would've preferred a longer video that actually gave this stuff the time it needed to be explored and the impact shown.
I also realize this is a years-old video, so commenting on it now may be kind of worthless. But yeah.
Thank you for the effort though! Of course, each person has their own opinion. I'm enjoying your more recent stuff! :)
I am in LOVE with these documentary style videos!!
Same!
It can't be overstated just how much the crappy MacOS during the 90s hurt that company.
I know it's easier to pin their problems on hardware etc and it's true in part but MacOS was next-level crappy. OSX was basically necessary and they decided to do it right.
Apple didn’t replace Blue Box with Carbon. They added Carbon and renamed Blue Box to Classic Mode for marketing purposes
Also Mac OS X server 1.0 didn’t include carbon
I saw glasses ad before this, On a more on topic note This is a REALLY good video and you did a good job with the audio and footage and research, maybe you could give another operating system the same treatment( I know you did video on development builds of versions of Windows like XP and Vista but it would be cool to see this for a different OS). That's all I have to say for now, bye.
Thank you for the comment! I had fun doing this one and definitely want to do more like it.
One minor correction: Lion was sold on physical media, a $69 USB drive; Mountain Lion was the first version to be sold exclusively in the App Store. You can still find some NOS Lion USB drives on eBay.
What a great video. The classic Mac OS X version will always be remembered!
Nice video! This will surely get a lot of attention! :D
Ooo I like the format!
Hey Micheal you rock!!!😃
Loved the retro synthwave music for a retrospective video💙💚
Good Video! I Use macOS On My MacBook Air! Can't Wait For macOS Mojave For The Overhaul Of The Dark Mode!
watertap you’re the fuck here bb
watertap Nice grammar.
Obviously...
actually lion was physically purchaseable but you would get the lion installation usb which was only avaliable for a limited time
The times when Mac OS Mojave was the most recent os were gold times
5:25 jagwire. Greg from Apple Explained, is it you?
Guess I've been saying that word wrong all my life. Jagwire... huh!
i *_leik_* your videos also your voice is the best in the retrospective series👍😀👍👍
I grew up with macOS, since 10.4 with an iMac G4 and Mac Mini G4. Damm it's changed and I'm glad I hackintoshed because I've missed using macOS
AO554 AOOOOOOOO
AO what are you doing here lmao
real Steve Jobs hours who up
AYY OHHHHHHH
AeroFusion AONNAISE MAYONNAISE
oh hello, my friend.
you should do one on windows
Yazir Burnside Why? Surely he has something better to do with his time?!
Yazir Burnside no. That's boring and tedious as fuck. They were always playing catch up with Apple anyway.
"were"
still are
Do continue, and if you are wondering: I'm typing this on an mac min... Do tell me about the crazy advances they are making in desktop OS development.
0:07 i can smell the pixels
Use macOS as my main driver computer OS since switching after the release of Windows 10 and haven't looked back. Planning o switch fully to Linux soon.
would you get windows 11
I've done them all.Windows is "fine" if you want to play games. I do like linux but I can run most linux (command line) programs from the bash terminal thanks to Brew… So it's really hard to go back to linux and give up xcode for coding c++. It's my favorite ide, debugging on it is just so easy.
I'm more interested in Unix-a-like operating systems myself. I don't play games on a computer usually.
@@LemonChieff I heard that Microsoft Visual Studio is great for C++, personnaly I think the way Xcode organise files is weird, not just opening directories but usine "workspaces"
Edit: Mb just sax the 1 year ago lol
I'm using the latest beta of macOS Mojave. I think it's way better. It feels faster. I don't know if it's just me but it genuinely feels faster and I didn't do a fresh install, I just upgraded to Mojave beta (Like I've done in the past with Yosemite) after a time machine backup.
The dark mode is great, especially in xcode. I've been wanting that for a while. All my software from high sierra works. I really like it.
It's not adding useless shit, it just makes the shit we already have better.
El capitan introduced that nice gesture when you shake the moise and it becomes big
I’m always dropping such videos on the OS X version 10.6, as well as I dropped it back in 2010s switching to Debian fro PowerPC. But now Apple has M processors, and I’m thinkin bout giving it another chance, broken by the switch to x86 I don’t wish to use
nice film
Thank you!
love the design
One of your best videos yet!
Thank you! Glad to hear that
I had alot of problems with Mac OS X Lion. I remember all the kernel panics and the stability of apps was very unstable. Mountain Lion was way better and fixed alot of issues I was having.
Yeah Lion was like the Windows ME from the macs
@@winmactutoriales5218 >:(
so now i know why microsoft also do the same to windows
using scheme of 10 or X on macOS that resembles last version of that os but always updated
Snow Leopard already had the App Store, this is why Apple sells the disc. I had a Mac with Leopard and I bought the S Leopard CD and from there, through the App Store, I could upgrade to El Capitan.
Mac OS X 10.6.3 was THE perfect OS in my eyes
oh same here
great video!
its sad to see apple switch to macOS 11 with big sur last year but im glad that they are not making much of a huge difference for non iphone users
Little note; there was something like Siri back in the 80’# and 90’s until they implemented Siri it was just called voice commands!
That's a slightly different thing, which just adds commands to a basic search function.
os x el capitan was the best os ever made by apple, istill use it as my daily driver in 2022
12:22 0 divided by 0 eqals
I actually really do miss Snow Leopard 10.6.8. It just worked, and on top of that, it actually REMEMBERED all of my individual window view settings!!! Only thing missing from Snow Leopard in my opinion would have been PPC support… I still have a couple older machines stuck on 10.4 (since 10.5 sucked) and wish dearly that I had 10.6.8 on them!
interesting history of MAC OS X......
8:25 Lion did come on a flash drive from the Apple Store online, but I don't think anyone really cared
The 10.4 Tiger is the best OSX release ever in my opinion. It's so stable, light, fast and polished and can run beautifully on anything from a 300MHz G3 with 128MB RAM to Quad Xeon Mac Pro. The 10.5 Leopard is definitely the worst one ever. Apple did a good job with Snow Leopard and later releases but they never got to a point of making a perfect OS such as Tiger used to be.
Leopard works great on my 1.25ghz eMac, it gives me way for more choices, this old thing being my gaming rig. Only thing I miss is Classic support but Classic mostly sucks since Jaguar so....
You know, MacOS 10 is gone for good with 11, 12, and 13, you could do a full retrospective nowadays covering every version, if you wanted.
So Sad 😭😭😭
Steve Jobs
Felt like this was either a Eckharta Ladder or summoning salt video lol
The older skeumorphic OS X versions look better to me but whatever it's just personal preference.
and now we have Mac OS 11
OS X Lion was the Vista of Apple
After being a Mac man for so many years, OS X was the point where I gave up on Apple and jumped ship to Linux.
R.I.P. Steve Jobs... 😢
lol good one
I miss the non flat look of older operating systems.
Apple may have some bad business practices, but DANG are their products beautiful!
im watching on mac OS X 10.13 high sierra
11:13
*APFS* for *AP* ple *F* ile *S* ystem
*_VERY ORIGINAL NAME HERE LOL_* :loading:
FOR THE LAST TIME
BLOODY PRONOUNCED JAGUAR NOT JAGUWIRE
snow leopard still sounds like the default mac os.
163rd
OS X Weed
Face time can have up to 32 people in it imagine the shitstorm that would be trying to get them all-in-one room
Greg from Apple Explained?
Someone unplugged my *Jag Wire*
Oh, the shitty BSD spin-off. The only good thing about them was that they were naming their versions after big cats (+the designs). Not anymore.
Anyone here because of macOS 11.0 Big Sur? :P
New : macOS XI (11)
Charging for a beta lol
Internet Explorer lol
great video. just a thing. APFS has been introduced in High Sierra not in Sierra. otherwise good video
Nope, Sierra has APFS support, Disk Utility just can't format to it for some reason.
Did you know, Windows 98 is an operating system
A
It isn't, actually. It's a graphical shell for DOS.
With every new macOS release, there are always a bunch of whiners. I love reading their comments on various Apple focused blog sites. They assume everyone agrees with them, and they always think that their unique problem must be happening with everyone. They whine on these sites instead of calling AppleCare. I have never had a problem with a new macOS release, except for my upgrade to OS 8.1, but that's so long ago, I don't care.
microsoft windows will always be the best
The best 26-drive-letter OS.
The damn vaporwave music shit made me stop the video at the one minute mark. Actually, 4 seconds before it. STOP IT PLEASE
Don't support Apple with there anti consumer ways.
I'd love to see a sequel to this video!
Not that I like or use macOS but this was still interesting to watch and just a good video.
same
@@michaelperugini4199 Same, I hate windows but I'm curious and open minded...
@@stephanemignot100 Oh i am too, i bought a used mac , first mac OSX style so i could check it out and relate... WINDOWS 10 is trash and WINDOWS 11 is worse.
@@michaelperugini4199 I used XP almost three years, ok experience too be fair! ^
@@stephanemignot100 but at least it was fun and entertaining to use, not boring and so damn much a memory hog! i have had my share of blue screens in all oses.. BUT 10 and 11 are the worse
I love the mac's features today, but I was so sad when Yosemite launched. I quickly missed the style from previous OS's. Today, I look at windows 10, and Big Sur, and miss the fine details put into the design of the OS's. Now it's flat, and lifeless imo. Thanks for the vid m8, I enjoyed it!
Someone called Darwin out there on Earth: Stop downloading my real name!
hey Michael! just letting u know there are a couple of flaws:
1) the Mac app store was first introduced in an update in snow leopard
2) you could still buy a physical copy of Lion on a flash drive
other than that you did a good job! keep up the good work!
For 2 it is not official so it can’t count
i remember being able to buy lion on a flash drive at apple stores back when it came out
@computers with nikita nikita There was an official version of Lion on a USB drive sold by Apple for $69. Any version after Lion on a USB drive would have to be unofficial.
The dark mode is awesome!
I wanted something like this for my Windows laptop a long time but decided against it when I had to change the registry entries for color shades myself and didn't want to go through the hassle and possible malfunctions as I only followed descriptions of other but couldn't have fixed anything myself if something broke.
Windows 10 dark mode is just pure black anyways, not dark grey...
I see somebody listens to Electronic Gems...
Michael you make well put out and informative videos, very much appreciated
thank you!
macOS is basically a fork of NeXtStep.
Which is just a fork of FreeBSD. Apple and FreeBSD still send each other security patches TO THIS DAY.
So apparently I've been mispronouncing OS X wrong the entire time. Pronouncing the X instead of saying "OS 10" 😁 Though in my defense I have very little experience using Macs (and most of the ones I have had were really old ones that had Windows installed on them cause they were way out of date on OS X).
Microsoft Sam narrating an Apple video 😂
Running Mojave on my early 2008 MacBook pro :D
kjjustinXD through dosdude1’s Mojave patcher?
I miss Aqua
104th
cool
keep up the good work :)
Lion was the first version labelled "OSX" not 10.8. IMO they should have called it MacOS 11 since it was very much a new start for the MacOS!
Still waiting for OSX Server PPC and maybe Mac OS Server
I loved Mac Os X Snow Leopard... Too bad I accidentally destroyed my install disc because MICROSOFT IS EVIL when it comes to *NOT* deleting all your data. I kinda liked the old, 3D-ish graphics.
Please do a chronological comparison of Windows and Mac similar to what you have here and with your Windows versions. So many videos just show screenshots that only show key UI. Thank you
OS X Lion was the final version of macOS to be released during Steve Jobs' lifetime.
I still remember getting my first mac with 10.4 Tiger
I've been a subscriber for a couple of years. Your videos are getting better and better, keep it up!
Thanks for sticking around! : )
@@MichaelMJD Yo, I saw a comment that asked to update this? Can you, it seems interesting.
@@justinianthegreatandnerd6377 I don't have any immediate plans to but it could happen at some point!
Now Mac Big Sur is version 11 i think
I think this is not only mac OS that dropped the "10" numbering.
The next OS is Monterrey, with version 12.
And don't forget the leaked Windows 11 release.
@@rafaelamadeus5155 Windows 11 has been finally released
@@danielyaseen no it hasn’t it was just leaked
@@8GB215 lmao what
Hey Michael, please update this video because the latest version of macOS is released (macOS Catalina).
Next you should do the history of Linux..
10:10 worst fucking update ever