9/4 - my favorite interval (Just Intonation / Microtonality)

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  • Опубліковано 8 кві 2023
  • Just a normal ninth.
    About the music: This is a piece in “Just Intonation” and you might call it “Spectralism”. over time I’m planning on covering a lot of stuff about that and microtonality in general but in the meantime, why not check out these resources:
    / discord
    soundamerican.org/issues/just...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_in...
    www.kylegann.com/tuning.html
    marsbat.space/pdfs/JI.pdf
    www.plainsound.org/pdfs/HCD.pdf
    www.dbdoty.com/Words/Primer1.html
    eamusic.dartmouth.edu/~larry/p...
    www.amazon.com/Harmonic-Exper...
    www.amazon.com/Arithmetic-Lis...
    www.press.uillinois.edu/books...

КОМЕНТАРІ • 57

  • @MsYablonsky
    @MsYablonsky 4 місяці тому +3

    My favorite interval al well. Specially when there's a 3/2 in between. Yes, simple and trite but I love it.

  • @fesh
    @fesh Рік тому +43

    this would probably one of the first videos i'd show to someone new to microtonality
    looks approachable and sounds really pretty

  • @jimvandersteege
    @jimvandersteege Рік тому +56

    Theres something so beautiful about that 9/4 cents div by 4. Is there a system behind the amount of notes you beam together?

    • @smorpd
      @smorpd Рік тому +1

      it's enchanting

    • @kylemccombmusic
      @kylemccombmusic Рік тому +4

      Sounds like stacked M7 chords (repeating at the natural 9th) which is always an amazing sound

    • @mannfishh
      @mannfishh  Рік тому +17

      ah shoot i actually did a version where i fixed the beaming to make it more logical and then didnt upload it. this is the old version, so no there is no system! embarrassing

    • @jimvandersteege
      @jimvandersteege Рік тому +2

      @@mannfishh oh mann.. don't feel bad about it!

    • @stavats
      @stavats Рік тому +9

      Generally it's called Mohajira - it's when you split a perfect fifth into two neutral thirds, and thus a major ninth into four. The result is very similar to the Arabic Rast scale (stacking these neutral thirds repeatedly yields Rast with a half-sharp fourth degree instead of the perfect fourth).

  • @TheSecretProvider
    @TheSecretProvider Рік тому +8

    Sounds great!

  • @funnyadamsandlervideos6404
    @funnyadamsandlervideos6404 Рік тому +3

    another mannfishh banger!

  • @devina1662
    @devina1662 Рік тому +7

    How do you even begin learning microtonal theory and whatnot

    • @1.4142
      @1.4142 Рік тому +12

      Just listen to a middle school band

  • @andresdaniel6711
    @andresdaniel6711 Рік тому

    What a beauty!

  • @danterosati
    @danterosati Рік тому +2

    magical!

  • @matthewbenedict5923
    @matthewbenedict5923 Рік тому +1

    beautiful!

  • @The_SOB_II
    @The_SOB_II Рік тому +5

    oh my god the notes sound so good together. what tools are you using for this sound?

  • @Hecatonicosachoron54
    @Hecatonicosachoron54 Рік тому +3

    Can you do a video about 7/4? That's my personal favorite

  • @user-tt7pt2rv3i
    @user-tt7pt2rv3i 7 місяців тому

    Yes its nice

  • @eufalesio1146
    @eufalesio1146 Рік тому +6

    what program do you use to compose/notate these?

    • @mannfishh
      @mannfishh  Рік тому +3

      dorico!

    • @mannfishh
      @mannfishh  Рік тому +2

      pianoteq for playback (usually, sometimes halion)

  • @Silikone
    @Silikone Рік тому +3

    6 cent split almost sounds like 5-TET.

  • @potatothing951
    @potatothing951 Рік тому +1

    wow

  • @cactusowo1835
    @cactusowo1835 Рік тому +6

    0:38 is very 5edo-ish

    • @BGQT
      @BGQT 2 дні тому

      yeah sounds like it

  • @CowMaam
    @CowMaam Рік тому

    what does "9/4" mean? i'm very well versed in 12 edo theory but whenever i find myself looking up things about microtonal theory/harmony i find things like that which i can't find an explanation for. similar to "16:21:26:31:36"? can someone explain the meaning of these? thx!

    • @dnaroseandthewolves
      @dnaroseandthewolves Рік тому +1

      The 9th harmonic with the 4th harmonic

    • @romeolz
      @romeolz 8 місяців тому

      The latter is just the hertz frequency ratios much like a 3:4:5 polyrhythm

    • @jard
      @jard Місяць тому

      just intonation is characterized through the use of whole number ratios multiplied with a frequency to represent intervals, as opposed to composing with equal divisions of an octave. "9:4" means (
      @dnaroseandthewolves states) the interval between the 9th harmonic (9x of a fundamental frequency) and the 4th harmonic (4x of the same fundamental frequency), which forms a pythagorean ninth. it's called "pythagorean" in reference to pythagorean tuning, which constructs musical intervals by using only octaves (2:1) and perfect fifths (3:2). consequently it can also be thought as two perfect fifths (3/2 of the fundamental) stacked on top of each other, because 3/2 * 3/2 = 9/4.
      it's roughly equivalent to the major 9th in 12-EDO from C4 to D5 for example, but the frequencies between the two pitches are exact rational multiples of an implied fundamental frequency, as opposed to a multiple of the 12th root of 2 raised to some power (which is always an irrational quantity except when the interval in question is an octave).
      "16:21:26:31:36" is a pentachord (or pentad) consisting of the 16th, 21st, 26th, 31st and 36th harmonics relative to some implied fundamental.

  • @AnonymousOnionsman
    @AnonymousOnionsman Рік тому +4

    How did you approach the rhythm? Does it have something to do with the tuning?

    • @mannfishh
      @mannfishh  Рік тому +3

      in this case the durations dont have anything to do with the tuning (sometimes they do! but not here) but the patterns are naturally dependent on how many divisions of the interval in each "cell". other than that its by 'feel'. hopefully that makes some sense.

  • @music-zv6je
    @music-zv6je Рік тому

    wow this is interesting but the word " *frequency* split" confused me, wouldn't " *ratio* split" make more sense? 😅

    • @fredg999music
      @fredg999music Рік тому +2

      "Ratio" wouldn't disambiguate as clearly between "cent" and "(frequency) ratio" because cents are logarithmic ratios.

  • @slowfreq
    @slowfreq Рік тому +42

    What frustrates me is that I never know how to feel about microtonal music. This sounds cool as fuck, but I don't know how what emotion I'm supposed to feel!!!

    • @mannfishh
      @mannfishh  Рік тому +31

      one way to listen to music like this, and a lot of more abstract music, is to listen to it as a mass of sound and pay attention to how that mass changes. its true that that isnt necessarily a directly or specifically emotional experience! though you might be surprised at the way emotion can creep into it

    • @nicknuwe
      @nicknuwe Рік тому +2

      To me it sounds surreal but in a disturbing way. Like a bad dream where you feel a sense of impending doom or something like that.

    • @althealligator1467
      @althealligator1467 Рік тому +4

      If you're from the Occident and it's not diatonic 12TET, then it's some shade of creepy.

    • @Sophia-le3px
      @Sophia-le3px 7 місяців тому

      @@althealligator1467lol

    • @Sophia-le3px
      @Sophia-le3px 7 місяців тому +3

      The emotions that our society has words and labels for do not encompass the full range of human expressive experience, and music that deviates from what you’ve experienced will not fit neatly into said emotional categories. Try to take it for what it is rather than trying to break it down into a specific mood (joyful, aggregated, triumphant, romantic etc) and pay attention to raw feelings it invokes for you.

  • @lolbruh1170
    @lolbruh1170 23 дні тому

    I 😍 random noise
    I 🤮 classical music