Is The Joker Legally Insane?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2019
- If any supervillain is criminally insane, it has to be The Joker right? But would any real lawyer want him to plead insanity? Kyle puts the Clown Prince of Crime on trial.
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“Is the joker crazy?”
15 minutes later
“Is there even free will?”
Well that escalated quickly
That was at 8:30 or so for anyone who wants to know
Ive pretty much always thought free will is impossible because humans are only capable of acting in response to either physical impulses or interpolated information
Enjoyed the video up until that point
😂 Indeed
Exactly what the joker wants
“Super sane” means he knows he’s a comic book character. And that’s the joke
*Joker is Super Sane*
Me: DEADPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! WE NEED TO GET JOKER!
@OriginalTharios and thats the joke
@@nyankers The joke is more along the lines of him knowing his victims are just strokes of ink on paper, so when this serious brooding man in a bat costume just tries to bring him to justice, you can see how comical it is.
So.... Deadpool.
@@monroerobbins7551 Sort of but in a much more dark and serious manner. Deadpool uses it to poke fun and be cooky, joker sees it as a reason to kill and maim and laugh about it.
Kyle: "Now become aware of your thoughts"
Me: *Has no thoughts for the first time in 15 years*
That's some decent mindful meditationing my dood.
Same!!!
That's actually the first thing they teach when learning mindfulness.
I actually had to make myself think about a cheeseburger at that part
When your told to think, you can't think.
He’s trying to make us all more forgiving of him when he finally implements his super villain plan
Hehe not really but but this type of tactic is so often used in UA-cam comments. People who will defend or make excuses or arguments for or against the rest who logically decided it's good or bad for the right reasons, and then comes along some UA-camr saying the opposite. Probably because unconsciously they know they're the type who would do something the rest would disagree with, and thus be against him, so sneaky you tubers try to defend their actions in the comments before they even make them
“When did you choose to be you”
In the character creation menu of course
i just got given a choice of three premade characters
I pressed random
@@hoodedgenius3249 you missed the customize button. It's small
I am actually multiple characters ;)
@@fatemehsoniaimantalab6608 #schizophrenia
Oh great, now he's making a defense for himself in case he gets caught.
upvote this so he can see it!!! XD
Joker defended himself in the white knight storyline
@THE VOID fuck you
You and LegalEagle should've teamed up on this.
Yeeees. I just thought the same, it would be great :D
I thought about that too, then the free will stuff started coming up lol
CrimsonRush117 yes
Was about to comment the same.
Lol
I’m just here wondering how the joker never got a death sentence
Drained_Entity because he probably has their families at gunpoint at all times.
ImASpookyAndroid Isn’t it weird how the US is the only western country medieval enough to still kill people as punishment? The law is not for personal revenge, it’s supposed to be objective and yet the US as a whole still practises it.
bc the point of a legal system is to reform ppl, not erase them from existence. It's unbelievable to me that some states in the USA still use the death sentence
@Vishya Knewdat actually the death penalty for rape is a horrible idea because it has been proven that when there is a death penalty for rape the rapists are much more likely to kill their victims. That is why it is no longer used in rape cases
It's not legal to execute the insane. And in some places it's illegal all together.
Cop: Sir, are you being insane without a license?
Joker: *Begins to sweat*
A RandomPerson, more like *starts to laugh*
Here I have a card 🃏 hahahahaha
Begins to sweat and then pulls an identification sized card from somewhere and hands it over. The non-glove wearing hand of the recipient of the card heats it to the point where Joker's special mix of chemical causes the card to explode with copious amounts of smoke. The Joker knows how long to wait for the card to blow up and uses the distraction to escape.
I didn't know he visited Britain.
@@katyushamarikov8819 you got a license for that comment?
I was not expecting a "Because Philosophy" episode.
Science is applied philosophy... PHILO 101
Because Law
What would happen if free will was an illusion ?
In such a case, what could be the upside of believing, at an individual scale, that we are indeed free ? Despite all the evidence of determinism’s considerable influence upon us ?
Start to ponder about it and you will realize that, if you think with the same brain with which you think, then ANY bias affecting your reasoning on yourself will provoke the failure of said reasoning - since the medium through which you think is affected by the very same bias you are trying to identify.
In other words, in a positive sense, it is impossible to think about oneself properly, just as a division by zero is meaningless : you can only be tending toward it, but never totally reach it. Unless you are ‘’perfect’’ - meaning, here, fully aware of everything about yourself, from the events that lead to your existence to the causes of who you became -, you can’t be fully un-biased.
As an ad absurdo thought experiment, let’s imagine someone who has a perfectly unbiased view of themselves, and who would be able to retrace and understand the cause of each event leading to their current existence, and to who they are at this moment. What would actually happen if this person tried to think about why they are themselves ?
Well, not only would they retrace a causal chain of events growing bigger and bigger by the second ; but ultimately, and whatever the complexity of the taken path might be, their introspection would only lead to a simple choice : ‘’what would I want to be, since I am really free to choose ?’’
And that’s where lies the hard limit of thought : a person capable of such a deep level of introspection would also be able to know the cause of their own choices. In that scenario, would it be their choice, or their acceptance of any given determinism ? Then the quest of becoming someone you choose to become would loop on itself indefinitely, since any attempt at ending it can only result in its failure.
Nonetheless, there is another path : refusing to choose. Refusing any determinism. … Which means remaining trapped into your own introspection. Just as a Larsen of pure thought, the perfect consciousness of the very process with which thinking is being formed will eventually paralyze the mind.
So, if this whole ‘’perfectly unbiased and reasoning human’’ story isn’t achievable, then maybe it is to protect our minds from such a fate ; much like the safety fuses for electronical devices, our incapacity of staring at ourselves without any bias could be a defense mecanism from the mind… against itself.
@@c-hd.8644
Free will is real. The only problem is that happens when a person can't act on them or won't remember doing it.
A newborn has no bias of self
A drunk man has no filter to say no intentional or NOT. Meaning his bias doesn't matter
@@Johncornwell103 I think we do not speak of the same thing : bias are no social restraints, but limitations to what we are able to think to. I agree, newborns have no prenotions of their own (though they will gain some very early), and drunk people lack those restraints ... Like dement old people, some kind of autists and so on. Doesn't mean they does not lack at least some of the nearly infinite abilities to look at their reality : a baby won't know that he/she is something apart of Mom for some time, a drunk person won't stop to be racist, blind or even born in some country, therefore not anywhere else. Not to mention raised by other people, and so on.
What I call a bias isn't a filter but a horizon, a limit to what you can see ... And I don't think anyone could ever tell he/she knows everything. So, his/her free will won't be anything but the perception of being able to choose among its determinisms, lacking any other options avalaible he/she can't be aware of, due to his/her previous experiences.
Not to mention that even if he/she was, as I said, ultimately a infinite choice of determinisms is nothing but the negation of free will too, because of the causality that lead to the choice.
It depends on the version of the Joker really, there are some versions of Joker who genuinely cannot help themselves (i swear i remember there's apparently a scene where Batman asks Joker to stop but Joker says "I can't I can't I can't!") and some versions who are in complete control of everything and yet decide to do the bad thing anyways (Injustice Joker)
"If consciousness is an illusion, who is it that is being fooled?" -Someone on the feedback column of the New Scientist magazine, sometime around 1999, when the editorial staff seemed to be obsessed with this particular issue that usually leads nowhere :)
A couple issues with this:
A. The argument in this video is that free will is an illusion, not consciousness. There's a pretty big difference there.
B. This type of conversation doesn't lead to "nowhere." This can literally change your entire outlook on...well, everything. I know for me, personally, I am now a bigger advocate for more compassionate treatment for prisoners, and more aware of environmental factors involved in any crime or morally abhorrent behavior. This changes the kind of juror I would be, political policies I advocate for, etc. That's some pretty major shit that you're chalking up to nothing.
@@bobthabuilda1525 so help people that hurt others but not normal innocent people your pathetic and what's wrong with the world
@@bobthabuilda1525 I don't really care about compassionate treatments. Maybe minor crimes? But criminals who had committed atrocities deserves no compassion. I think best thing is do the same thing to them that they have done to their victims. I think that's justice.
One's own self just to release it from pain of being alone and nothingness
"When did you decide to be you?"
What do you mean, I spent forever at the character creation menu only to end up with this spectacular mess.
Nine months down the drain.
And now I’m a stealth archer.
Yeah, I figured I'd skip out on the mathematics skill tree and divert those points to physical strength. It has not gone well...
Me: "And done"
Game: "you have not assigned all of your skill points, by continuing you forfeit all left over skill points thus making the game harder."
Me: "eh screw it what could go wrong."
Me (later): "oh that's what could go wrong."
In hindsight, dumping everything into INT and using STR, DEX, and CHA as dump stats may have been a mistake. Also, picking Chaotic Good as an alignment didn't go as well. At least I wasn't stupid enough to go for the LG Paladin combo. Sadly, picking NPC as my class wasn't a good idea, either.
Question: just me or did it seem Kyle is setting up his defense for when his supervilliany catches up to him??
I was thinking the same thing! "Don't blame the super villain! It's just who we I mean THEY.... are."
I just made the 666th like. Let that sink in.
@@qinjikofoxx5580 I'm not liking exactly for that reason
He does say in his nuclear power video that the department of energy removed his supervillain record for making the video
When he gets real, he actually mentions criminals may be criminals due to abuse
Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker was abused as a young lad
This might be my all time favorite video. It went from the run of the mill Because Science breakdown, to a deep introspective and philosophically-tied series of thought experiments that will affect many people. The music dropping made it so much more powerful, and I love how well you did with treating something seriously.
People who never considered this and grasped the concept (or will later due to their interest in learning more) may now have their outlook on things drastically altered. Whether one has free will is an important part of religious understanding too, depending on one's faith and denomination. I've used this in my arsenal in different ways, and I hope others will make use of it too, or just learn more about it. It's so cool and concerning.
If you liked this one, check out Shoddycast's Rethinking series video on "Does Good Or Bad Karma Exist" 😎😉
@@SalmonColoredSalmon6267 lol wow my memory is so bad that I don’t remember a damn thing about this video and it’s kinda nuts seeing my comment expressing how much I loved it. Might have to rewatch this lol.
Just added your recommendation to my watch list. Thanks!
He just admitted it! “I’m just a super villain, lawyer..”
Case closed.
Without the comma it's redundant.
Everette Bradfute 😂😂😂
The quote is, "Now I may be just a super villain, lawyer." The "may" in that sentence creates ambiguity. It implies that he may not be a super villain.
"I'm Just a ..... Lawyer" the claim is that he is a lawyer, the qualifier is meaningless to the overall claim. (trained contract reviewer here)
The Werefrog as any super villain would, of course.
"Close your eyes for a moment. Are they closed? Take deep breaths..."
Me, listening to this while driving:
but did you close them?
Well clearly, since there's no reply
@@davidninan88 /sigh
*and this has been a PSA about texting/ commenting / following directions at the wrong time while driving.
Remember kids, don't do it. if its important find a safe designated parking place to pull over.
Otherwise, replying to messages can wait.*
I said the same thing lol
This reply section is lit AF
"Is free will a illusion"
Sigma: *heavy beathing*
*Humming intensifies*
Is that a motherfucking Overwatch reference?
69 likes
Hehehe~
"Now shift your attention to the thoughts you're having. Where do they go?"
.....I'm slightly disappointed in myself, cause I just imagined a semi truck honking loudly
"close your eyes and become aware of the thoughts your thinking"
Me: *Does so*
My mind: *Screams in a chorus of voices*
Me: "Well that's not a good sign"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!
That's abnormal? I always have about a dozen different things running through my head, usually one of them is a music track. Stopping thinking and clearing my mind takes active effort. It's not different "voices" per se, but more many of the various problems I have, most of which I'm paid to solve, being a computer support tech. My mind is much like my desk, cluttered and always changing.
@@dangingerich2559 Same
But in this instance, its the screaming the bothers me
*Close eyes thinks of Waifu* Thinks of City, Chooses between Utah, Nevada, Washington and Ohio cities, was about to consider California ones when he said to focus on one. Chooses one. Says I don't have free will, my mind: Bullsh!+.
@@mixartjohnson8968 Indeed
"When did you, decide to be you?"
*Vsauce? Is that you?*
"Hey Because Science, Kyle here."
He is Michael, disguised in hair.
@@myMotoring Indeed. I love Vsauce, but he releases videos only on blue moon days.... In the meantime, this is a nice fix to get me by!
Relevant xkcd
xkcd.com/220/
@@TwiStedTentom hes done a shit ton of videos on ding
The Joker has had professional help getting into Arkham. Also he often breaks free or is let loose before the trial. Harley is a great example of how his persona influences others
“This video is sponsored by Cw’s Batwoman”
Hahahaha
No.
Thought the same hahahaa
That show sucks, and I have never seen it
@Vishya Knewdat of course he wouldn't stoop so low with that impropriety. He lives in a society
No I like that show I also like most CW shows
Haku infinite I only said that so no one calls me Sexist
Kyle: Ladies and Gentlemen. I might just be a simple super villain-
Me: YES!
Kyle: lawyer
Me: :(
My same thought lol
Kyle: and while you're doing that I'm going to take over Gotham.
Me: I KNEW IT THIS WHOLE TIME. GOTCHA
No no no guys, what he meant was he's a Super Villain and he's a Lawyer, Super Villain-Lawyer.
"Now, I might just be a simple super villain lawyer..."
Soo..... is that a lawyer _for_ super villains or a lawyer that _is_ a super villain?
Kyle : Yes
Why not both ?
Ask She-Hulk. She was once a lawyer for supervillains
Yes
2 Face, She Hulk, Daredevil.
I know this video is old, but remember when Kyle said "the universe has no obligation" to get you laid" in response of the argument of your significant other being predetermined?
Wouldn't having no free will validate the claim that your significant other IS predetermined since you have no choice and 'this is how things would've turned out anyways'?
Checkmate Kyle.
Love the show.
Also I can very clearly remember points in my childhood where I was aware that I had a decision that I needed to make that would affect my development as a personality and a person in the future. And many times even given all the previous information about my life it seems to me my choices in these situations were not predictable. Is free will totally dead when we are able to contradict and act against our snap reactions, or when our snap reaction is uncertainty forcing us to make a conscious decision?
I agree. We make choices. I've heard this video's argument before and it's weak.
This episode: "How to discuss Determinism without mentioning It"
IKR!? XD
Legit my first thought
I applaud the effort and the factual basis, however I would like to say that a video such as this has a very superficial take on mental illness as a whole. I would like to say that, but then you brought it back around to displaying the sympathy you have for those who have been wrought by circumstance and turning it towards a mindfulness exercise that explains to the popular people that we are not different than those who we part our ways from (and more than that in a biopsychosocial reference!). There needs to be more of an understanding about these contexts of life, and there needs to be more funding to make it so that we all can feel comfortable in our own skin to evolve, to get better, and to better those around us. And if our compassion met no bounds, perhaps thought experiments such as these have a place in commiting all of those objectives to reality. In sum, I applaud you, and I would ask that you would use this as an opportunity to increase awareness to an organization that advocates for and educates the popular opinion on what mental illness is and how it affects every person in society. NAMI is a perfect example, and deserves to be supported as much as possible. Please share this in your further examination of the comments on your videos, I'm sure it will help the cause that I can see you have a great insight upon, and a cause that affects millions of Americans. If you are able to and interested you can donate to NAMI dot org (I didn't know if I'd get flagged for handling an actual URL) and if we all chipped in a couple of dollars (perhaps sacrificing that one PSL you crave before it even reaches midway through October) the lives of so many people would be impacted so greatly. Thank you.
Super villains such as Kyle don't use such words
What would happen if free will was an illusion ? In such a case, what could be the upside of believing, at an individual scale, that we are indeed free ? Despite all the evidence of determinism’s considerable influence upon us ?
Start to ponder about it and you will realize that, if you think with the same brain with which you think, then ANY bias affecting your reasoning on yourself will provoke the failure of said reasoning - since the medium through which you think is affected by the very same bias you are trying to identify.
In other words, in a positive sense, it is impossible to think about oneself properly, just as a division by zero is meaningless : you can only be tending toward it, but never totally reach it. Unless you are ‘’perfect’’ - meaning aware of every single thing about you and why you become who you are, in this case -, you can’t be fully un-biased.
As an ab absurdo thought experiment, let’s imagine someone who has a perfectly unbiased view of themselves, and who would be able to retrace and understand the cause of each event leading to their current existence, and to who they are at this moment. What would actually happen if this person tried to think about why they are themselves ?
Well, not only would they retrace a causal chain of events growing bigger and bigger by the second ; but ultimately, and whatever the complexity of the taken path might be, their introspection would only lead to a simple choice : ‘’what would I want to be, since I am really free to choose ?’’
And that’s where lies the hard limit of thought : a person capable of such a deep level of introspection would also be able to know the cause of their own choices. In that scenario, would it be their choice, or their acceptance of any given determinism ? Then the quest of becoming someone you choose to become would loop on itself indefinitely, since any attempt at ending it can only result in its failure.
Nonetheless, there is another path : refusing to choose. Refusing any determinism. … Which, sadly, means remaining trapped into your own introspection. Just as a Larsen of pure thought, the perfect consciousness of the very process with which thinking is being formed will eventually paralyze the mind.
So, if this whole ‘’perfectly unbiased and reasoning human’’ story isn’t achievable, then maybe it is to protect our minds from such a fate ; much like the safety fuses for electronical devices, our incapacity of staring at ourselves without any bias could be a defense mecanism from the mind... against itself.
"is free will just an illusion?"
Oh great, Kyle is in the matrix.
@Agent J Bro, there are many situations where people got no control over what is happening in their lives. You could be educated and prepared and still not get that "dream job" or whatever position you were studying for. There are many problems in society, economy, politics, infrastructure and Laws/governance that could stand in the way of how successful an individual could be.
You didn't/can't choose your reality, you make the best with what you got... And what's wrong with hopes and prayers?
@Agent J I don't know where you stand buddy but you need to come back to reality. You can be "Paralyzed by fear" or "believe bullshit" all you want, but if the economy of your country is bad, no amount of "choosing your reality" will help that or any other global issue. YOU can't "choose" to change problems in the world, especially when they affect your success... yes, YOUR SUCCESS.
@Agent J I don't know who you are, but even you have things that made you successful. You chose a lot, but not every thing that brought you to where you are today. Good People, educational degrees, political Influences, good healthcare, who knows but all these and many more contributed to your success.
Say your country didn't provide enough of these things or not at all, say we take them away from you and have you grow up, what are you in the end of the day... well, a lot less successful than you are now.
You can't choose your reality, but you can choose your path in life.
@Agent J there are many persons with horrible circumstances in their lives. Some of these persons turn out to be truly admirable persons and some become rich and famous through hard work and dedication. They suffered hardships in their lives that are just as hard as another person who does not succeed but they did through their own efforts. 'Identical' twins often have completely different lives. Why is that? Same lives and influences but different results. Your argument is invalid.
Nah, he's not wearing enough leather and latex, nor is he sporting sunglasses.
I just want to say thank you. My brother is currently in jail right now, and has been in and out of the system for a while. My entire family has struggled with mental illness our entire lives. And I deeply appreciate you guys helping people to put themselves in the shoes of those in such a terrible situation with no reasonable way out.
I’m very sorry to hear about your story. I hope your brother is currently well.
@@pressftopayrespects6325 Thank you 💛 He was finally able to get himself free of the system recently thanks to a PO who understood how things go.
@@Ghostly_Chris Really glad to hear!
Don't have children if possible. Don't pass your genes. Or if ur "fine" then adopt
"because philosophy."
There's a gooooooood bit of neuroscience. But yea it starts with philosophy and that's also where the fatal bullet is delivered. Since Libertarian Free Will is logically impossible (as in, the rules of logic).
Kyle: Why didn’t you think of Dublin?
Me, who thought of Dublin: That’s where you’re wrong, kiddo.
But did you choose to use that meme, or did the meme choose you?
@@z-beeblebrox A boy dont pick the meme, the meme picks the boy.
I thought of Dublin, because I scrolled down and saw this comment
"When did you choose to be you?"
*vsauce music starts playing*
I chuckled at this one!!
@@Xxmr81xX yeah thought of this because I just saw the newest one
@@LordofSyn thanks!
@@thepinebros.1873
You're most welcome and I, too; am glad that VSauce has returned.
...but that's just a theory. A game theory!
"Because Social Science..." (with a touch of biological deterministic philosophy)
And just straight up philosophy as far as Libertarian Free Will being logically impossible. The rules of logic do not allow for it.
He is “illegally” insane.
Kyle: I'm not a supervillain.
Also Kyle: IS the Joker truly guilty of his crimes? 😂
Kyle trying to prove him self insane so that he can use term criminally insane if needed
Sponsored by Batwoman?
Hey, you wanna hear a Joke?
no
yes
@@Ardeshir8 wanna know how I got these scars?
About an hour ago, I was listening to my Spotify playlist & a song called "just an illusion" by imagination came on.
My playlist is on random.
Then I start watching UA-cam videos, at random, & now I'm here & he just asked, "is this just an illusion?"
Is any of this actually random or is it by design?
I did not expect any of this when I clicked the video.
Manifestation through subconscious thoughts
"Hey there, vscauc- Kyle Hill here"
Which is not a bad thing ! Haha (i also had that thought at some points in the video ;) )
Totally my thoughts too.
This would have been a golden opportunity to collab with Legal Eagle
I came down to the comments looking for this exact comment.
Skeletor7599 I’m wondering if DJ has destroyed his collabablility with that “Game Theory stole my video” fiasco a while back.
Because I’ve seen several great opportunities for people to collaborate that have been missed.
@@Riggs_The_Roadie me too lol
@@Jessie_Helms game theory gave him a shout out in it
My thoughts
Enjoyed this episode more than most of your other episodes because it felt refreshing to learn about something I'm interested in, good video, maybe do a couple more episodes of "Because Philisophy"
DC should introduce 1 lawyer that always ends up defending super villains
Judge - "What evidence do you offer to support this plea of insanity?"
Me - "Well for one I done hire Kyle to represent me"
Judge - "Insanity plea accepted."
Joker ^^ funny www.minds.com/xxxminibierxxx/ supervillian that would be great
@@PhxHDrevelation climate scam
Ouch, burn!!! 😁 😁 😁
I love the Futurama.
"...maybe you realize that you are having a feeling of hunger..."
Me: Damn this guy is good
I heard that just as I was finishing my sandwich during lunch
I mean there was a lot of psychological seeding going on in that segment, which was part of the point.
my first thought was simply "cheese"
This video has been viewed thousands of times by, presumably, hundreds if not thousands of people in different situations.
Statistically, he had to be right about someone. 😝
They should have changed the name of the show to "Because Law" just for this episode
"Arkham is for the criminally insane. You are criminally capable." - Bane
When did you, decide to be you?"
RNG mostly taken care of it.
Life hit me with a draw 4 card and I couldn't do anything but respect the play.
@@Nalrus_The_Walrus True that. Hurts but true.
"What's the first thing that pops into your head?"
Brain: Magic the gathering
god dammit
Same, except it was more like, What is different now that they released MTGA officially? the answer: nothing
@@MonkeyJedi99 Exactly! For something to "pop 'into' your head" it must enter.
thoughtseize
"Gee, superhero movies suck"
Dag nammit... I was reading the comments and watching at the same time and now I can think about it bloody magic the gathering
Did you read “Plight of the Living Dead” just before making this episode Kyle? Because it brings up “Does free will exist” as well and is uses the same words.
Such a great closing argument sir!
"Just a super villain lawyer"
Hmm... so instead of becoming one, you're just helping them.
Sound like something super villain would do.
Except that he didn't help him. He proved that joker is not criminally insane. Instead... It appears he's taken out a rival supervillain...
@@ZyphisV so he's taking out his competitors, interesting
Also does 'super villain lawyer' imply he's a lawyer for super villains or that he's a super villain who is also a lawyer
Yes.
So just a lawyer then?
SwiggitySwooty BOTH!!!!
Next video: "Is the Cyclops legally blind?"
Lee Gabriel M Banasihan Next video: “Is Superman considered an illegal immigrant?”
Is it weird that I really took the time to choose a lot of these things? I've changed a lot if the things about myself over the years...
I don't choose to feel an itch but I do choose if I want to scratch it. I don't choose if I'm hungry but I do choose when to eat.
Sounds like Kyle is trying real hard to justify himself being a super villain
myrturbine one of these days he’s gonna get caught and has all the proof he needs to plead insanity. It’s genius
An_bod_ Y true
"Supervillain Lawyer": Lawyer who REPRESENTS Supervillains, or a Lawyer who IS a Supervillain...?
Yes.
What lawyer isnt
Good question indeed.
Why not both? He defends cilents in court by day and plots the destruction and/or domination of society by night
Probably both
"Would you punish a shark? Would you punish a bear?"
Yes. Some animals that prove to be extraordinarily violent and a threat to their environment often get hunted or put down.
Indeed
"would you punish a shark, would you punish a bear" "for some feeling of revenge or malice", Kyle your bordering on psychology and the presence of conscious thought
Kyle: "Think of a city"
My Brain: "Got it, here is a beach"
Kyle:"When did you choose that city?"
My Brain: "I didn't, I picked a beach."
Good job, brain... lol
Actually, I picked a State. The State I am in in the US. I picked a State thoughtlessly because I have lived in many cities in my state that are too close to tell exactly where the lines are.
well at least your brain give you a reply.. my brain just give silent for the whole experiment...
@@zerocalvin I hate when that happens. Have a stream of thoughts. You know I should right that done so I don't forget. Grab paper and pen. Now what was I thinking about "I don't Know" *shrug*
I got velocity.
He's allready making his defence for the time he's getting convicted as a super villain
8:44, the fact that not everything about us is under our own control doesn’t mean that there aren’t some aspects of ourselves that are under our own control
when you did that thought experiment my mind is so good at compartmentalizing its self, that thoughts and processes are like programs on a computer, where some are background tasks (i.e my auto problem solver and my auto translate of languages I know) and some are apps that I concisely open(i,e my mental fantasies/daydreams), I can make notes and comments that I can leave on files(memories) and even choose to remove them, my mind marks most things as important and I can call that when I need, I can even quicksave, minimize windows and move resource allocation to different programs(eg. can basically control my perception of time(ie compress input data into relevant data only and reallocate resources elsewhere) and can then recall that time passing (ie. mostly, authentic learning), and can multitask (have multiple windows open at the same time) and quite a few other computer processes.
Autism.
"Think of a city"
Me: Lancaster.
"Why that city?"
Me: Because I live in Lancaster.
"Why not Dublin?"
Me: Because I live in Lancaster.
"Why not Cairo?'
Me: Because I live in Lancaster.
Ohio?
"Think of a city"
Me: Chicago.
"Why that city?"
Me: Because I live in Chicago.
"Why not Dublin?"
Me: Because I live in Chicago.
"Why not Cairo?'
Me: Because I live in Chicago.
@@Johncornwell103 well, I'm not going to say *which* Lancaster, obviously.
Same reasoning (Toronto,)
I had a similar reasoning.
"Think of a city"
Baltimore
"Why that city?"
It's a close city to where I live
"Why not Dublin?"
I'm nowhere near Dublin and I am a born American why would I randomly choose Dublin?
"Why not Cairo?"
Same deal my science dude, cept this time it's cuss I'm not from Missouri or Egypt.
When Kyle triggers a Meta event in himself, and his fans by making everyone think about free will.
some clarifications:
-since Roman times, in order to be convicted of a crime, a defendant must be shown to have done "the guilty act" while possessing "a guilty mind". the "actus rea" must combine with a "mens rea" (action + intent).
-the state has the burden of proving every element of the crime, which means they must prove the defendant committed the criminal act and prove he did so with the requisite intent. ie killing someone unintentionally will not result in a conviction for murder, which requires an intentional killing with premeditation. instead, he may be guilty of manslaughter (a killing with a lower level of intent).
-shifting the burden of proof to the defendant when attempting to prove insanity shows we as a people want proving legal insanity to be difficult factually and procedurally. additionally, in federal courts, the defendant must show "clear and convincing" evidence which is a higher standard of proof than the "preponderance of evidence" standard used in state courts. think scoring 75% vs 51%.
- legal insanity is not medical insanity. the medical field no longer uses the term "insanity", instead opting to define a range of more specific mental disorders.
- The M'Naghten Test is not the only test of legal insanity. There is also the Durham Test (a more lenient test) and the Model Penal Code's Test (a blend of the two).
Personally my favourite episode to date. I love philosophy and I liked how you touched on some big philosophical branches. Will you be using philosophy more in future videos?
"Are you as free as you feel?" that question will now haunt me forever.
Nobody:
USA: "And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died
Who gave that right to me" *F-16's flying in the background while a giant bald eagle carrying an american flag appears*
Look, if you don't have free will, there's nothing you can do about it. So why worry about it? You feel like you have free will, and the world works as if you have free will, so just live life as if you have free will.
Kyle: Imma make a existential video.
Children watching his show: Cries in terror.
Bro you are my fav youtuber now i hope ur channel blows up!
"Are you as free as you feel?"
Damn
Kyle: "I AM NOT A SUPERVILLAIN!! I AM NOT"
*Video trying to defend a supervillain so they do not face punishment for their crimes*
Kyle: "IM NOT"
Am I the only one that read this in the voice of Tommy Wiseau?
I didn't read it in his voice until you mentioned it.....then I re-read it in his voice lmao
Matt Dowds I didn’t even mean to do that and it makes it SOOOO much better. Thank you.
Kyle: "Close your eyes for a moment. Are they closed?"
Me: Oh hell no!! I saw what evil Kyle did, I ain't getting back stabbed
"close your eyes for a moment"
*ad plays*
Thanks Kyle, now I have an existential crisis. I didn't expect to be hit with a question like this today.
The music stopped,
then my heart stopped.
"Men get arrested, dogs get put down." I think of that line every time I think of the Joker.
That's Rorschach though
Jacob Keary I am aware of that. Was making the reference because it fits how I feel about the Joker.
@@theViewer221 gotcha
I chose to be a gamer
about 14 years ago, i got too choose what character i want too have because i had an burnout i musst choose one way too go on living, i had two different ones fighting with eachother all the time in me and i got tired of it, so i choose not too be an asshole, not too be arogant, not too be egoistic, not too be someone that places himself above everything else.
most people don`t come too this point and they don`t aware of it but they choose without thinking how they would go on.
the circumstances in life we live throu for most people are like this, good times, bad times good times, but if you have an life where there are only bad times and even more bad times follow them, never any good time between them, you break down harder than hard, you life with that but at some point you can`t anymore because there is no reson too it and you don`t have any strength in you anymore, than you maybee come too an point in your life where you activly realise that two opinions two characters in you fight for leadership, if you so down and destroyed like i was, you must choose an way too go on. if took the same path as me you activly choose the hard way because be someone like that is hard in todays world not just hard very very hard.
be an asshole and egoistic arogant beeing that puts himself over everything is the easy way too life most people and allways more follow because this it what grants you everything you want, never had a girlfriend boyfriend never experienced love from other people than family never had sucsess in what you are doing, never got any chance in beeing somone sucseesfull in life, than this is the way most choose without realising it. they choose this because it is easy peasy going down that route becoming someone you never wanted before.
the down side of this is you lose everything you where you lose yourself forever, there is no going back ever.
i`am very glad that i could choose what character i want too be freely activly. i allways would choose the same path, because i `am allways thinking would my younger 5/10/15 years old me like my choice, would they even like me, and this is so important too me that i can say yes they would definitly like me, because i`am no copy of another, because I`am not an arogant egoistic asshole that puts himself over everything and thinks that he allways right. i have an open mind i can see things from many different angles because of that, i can learn and improve myself, i can improve what i know every second. i can see the standpoints people are coming from, i don`t must agree but i can understand it.
made me this happier than before, no it doesn`t it even made me sader than before even more depresed, made this my life easier no in no way, made this talking and acting with other people easier for me no it doesn`t. made me this in the eyes of the woman i meet more atractive are they now aware that i exist more than before no infact it even made all these things more bad. made this choice me don`t want too die anymore no.
but i`am still glad i choose it, because beeing the character my younger selfs would like and not like so many others today is enough too not regret a thing.
i`am 40 now and depressed like hell but glad i choose not too change my personality like so many others do all the time.
i`am glad that when i finally can die i die without regreting something, because i allways was the person i would like and not becoming the one i never liked my whole life because they are the worst.
when i do something i do it because i want too, when i fall in love i do it because i want too, even when everything ends badly like it allways do in my life, i have nothing too regret. when death finaly arives for me i can happy die because this bad gruesome hell of a life without anything really good is finaly at the end. this hard too understand for most people because i don`t value things like money and other things like that in any way.
for me character is everything things you never can replace are everything too me, materilistic things like money, car house, clothes, handy, tv things people today like soo much and kill others for are have no value for me because you can replace them.
things you can`t ever replace are of much value too things that didn`t concern most people in today world. that is the character i choose i want too be at that day 14 years ago, i choose the character i allways where before when the inside war happend, now there is no inside war anymore.
yeah my life is shit and most likely allways will be but when i die i can die with an happy smile, because in death the suffering the hurting the pain will go away forever. then i can be finally at peace.
Wasn't expecting to delve into Determinism, but here we are.
Damn video got deep quick
Because Philosophy.
Ya never know what life's gonna throw at you.
A wise man called Gunnar Adler Carlsson once wrote (paraphrased): "If someone blame their genome for their crimes I will blame my genome for putting them behind bars."
That guy's got a chill first name.
The Boros guild thanks you for your commitment to JUSTICE! Here are some flaming swords and a warrior angel will be here shortly for your training.
That is not wise at all.
@@ShadowLynx777 angel with a shotgun 😅
Gunnar Young so do we
This was the most thought provoking episode
I hope the guy over at the Legal Eagle channel saw this. I think it'd be a great collaboration to have him over to the void and look at it with his perspective.
I came here to learn science, ended up having an existential crisis
Goes hand in hand especially with space stuff
Goes hand in hand with science of any kind. Science is humbling in design and still open to creativity and imagination.
The more we learn, the more we also learn that there is much more to learn. The goalposts keep moving and nothing is ever set in stone, as it should be.
Besides, our species constantly needs a warm slice of humble pie. Constantly.
Kyle: We have no free will.
Also Kyle: Let's change how we look at criminals.
You have a point tho. We think about it for five seconds but the second we see a news story about some guy torturing a puppy we're gonna switch back to "someone skin him alive" mode because that's the natural response most people have to those stories (at least judging by comments on said stories)
No no... its not that we can't make a new decision and change... its that whether or not we will take that step is cooked into our life long cause and effect chain. We will or won't do what we are going to do based on our own life path, leading us to make the choice we are only capable of making in that moment. Change is constant. And or decisions direct that change, we can assess and direct our path but we will only do it because of who we are leading up to that decision.
That's why I carry a coin. I like the randomness of the universe to make choices for me sometimes.
Yeah this was a pretty interesting argument on why prisons should focus on rehabilitation over punishment. Sure, some criminals will never become functioning members of society and should be kept separate from the rest of us. But that extends to his animal analogy too. We do build infrastructure to prevent wild animals from entering our society.
@@YoshionoKimochi Two Face, is that you?
@@skair9000
*Flips coin*
...No.
*Balls up the fist, reaches way back... And asserts myself!*
"Do you believe we are masters of ourselves, or merely dance like puppets on strings having the illusion of independence." - Winston Graham
That last part was deeper than the Mariana Trench.
"Think of a city"
Me: Cairo, Egypt.
"Why that city?"
Me: Because I was just reading a thing about it.
"Why not Dublin?"
Me: Because Cairo was more immediately on my mind.
"Why not Cairo?'
Me: ...
He probably meant, "think of a random city"... and you're missing the point
Woah angry little man! Of course he was pulling a city at random. But with all the cities in the world, he just happened to name the one I thought of.
You have trouble standing straight lately or something?
@@Dragnfly_mynamewastaken He didn't even sound that angry but you went on a whole damn tangent...
@@daardarkness4230 he probably thinks he is above us because of his 60 likes comment with the way he talks.
You’re all weird, Joel didn’t miss the point, Jared didn’t seem angry, just wrong, and Joel didn’t go on a tangent, they just explained themselves, which wasn’t very superior of them, perfectly normal when being told they’d missed a point they probably hadn’t, and even if they were being superior, it wasn’t likely like related.
8:36 well that just got very existential, and now I’m uncomfortable.
The Time Capsule ah i don't want to live anymore 🙇🏻♂️
@@someonelikeyou6138 Suck it up, you don't got a choice.
Good. Now act on that feeling.
Tbh during ur excercise i thought about how comfortable i was and then i passed out during the video lmao
13:43, it’s not. But even if it were (which it isn’t) it actually wouldn’t affect the judicial system at all because then we would just accept the idea that “if you were predestined to commit a crime then I am predestined to punish you”.
KH: "Why didn't you choose Dublin?"
Me: I did tho
Me too
As did I, I immediately thought of the state my ex and the majority of her family currently reside in and I think the world would be a better place if Pittsburgh no longer existed.
Ah, but he followed it up with Cairo in case you did choose Dublin! So why didn't you choose Cairo?
I choosed São Bernardo do Campo
Own city in Sims City, anyone? No? Okay.
"It takes one bad day to turn the sanest man alive to lunacy."
That can't be true -- kH
@@becausescience That's how far the world is from where I am. One. Bad. Day.
That was actually proven false in the same comic it was mentioned it with Gordon. After every evil thing Joker did to him, he was still a good man.
It doesn't take one bad day to drive a man insane.
It takes a lack of will to just give up. I've had plenty of bad days, each a chance for me to just lose my mind, but I didn't.
I'm I jaded, cynical, self loathing? Yes. But I was never driven mad. I never gave up. Close friends of mine never gave up.
To turn to evil, or "insanity" as the joker likes to call it, shows he wasn't strong enough to keep going.
"We both stared into the adyss. But when it looked back at you, you blinked."
That's a much more fitting quote.
@@Aosgood94 "You Killed the Joke"
Childhood and up-bringing definitely plays a part along with what we go through in life.
11:36, it depends what you mean by that. Since there are some things over which we have no control (for instance we are all destined to die) but there are things over which we actually have control
"When did you choose to be you?"
I choose my current persona about 6 years ago. Dealing with live becomes easier when wearing a mask suited to your environment.
Absolutely spot on.
Current persona, or the actual thoughts you have immediately, the feelings you have on subjects?
AJ Agler one can always lay down new lines of programming to their personality. Removing old ones is dodgy at best and usually impossible but you can write a work around to avoid old circuits. But they will always be there ready to spring into action, one a smoker always a smoker for instance. So your base program is just what you started with but you get to build the rest from there, only there are no resets are the delete key is broken so it always works out to be an organic mess that often does not know what the heck is different parts are even doing but somehow still works.
choice is not mearly thought but action...
i chose to click this video, and i chose to write this comment and its contents, of course i did not choose my emotinal state or my views on sentiance however i do chose to follow reason action and consiquence, i dont belive in freewill for humans, just partial freewill, we can ditermine our selves within a limited range, but that does not make that range meaningless
as for bears and sharks, they simply are what we are, a combination of their instincts and enviroments mixed with their own sentiance... all to much leaser degress then humans but still the principales which guide a bear are aplicable to humans, did you chose to get angry, no, but did you chose how far to let that anger control you?... well more so then a bear certainly... as for range of thought and degree of control over it, its impossible for limited human minds to have unlimited control over them selves that would imply an imateral are etherial extention of the brain... perhaps a soul... unlikely. we are maliable and versital but only so much the term freewill should be changed to a more realistic spectrum on which we may rank very highly but anything less bound by instinct and enviroment and more intelegant then us, would have greator, but still not complete freewill. Even a strong A.I. covering multipale planets would still have limits to its control over its enviroment, it's self and the depths of its intelegence.
try taking the masks off for a little while some time... you may be suprised to see what comes out of your mouth when your head is allowed to run wild without conciance, care, reason, or worry... its not friendly but it is you unfiltured and unrestrained, the closest we as limited humans will ever get to true freewill... and youll only see the chance online free from the opinnions of the friends and family that bind you to humanity... well the social aspect of humanity at least... theres a great rush to be had in cutting loss and unleashing your every thought and impolse without any filter... though to be fair youll not make friends like that so keep that to the places you dont care about... C : its what i do. and im still alive for some reason.
Kyle: Are you hungry maybe?
Me: nodding my head in agreement as my mouth is stuffed with food
8:35 he started to get deep there, wow.
I seem to recall a catch 22 where faking insanity actually is criteria for being a sociopath and potentially legally insane.