They laugh at her question and yet none of them would be able to answer it. This child is honest. I wonder if she would know the answer better than us because she hasn't fully been indoctrinated by the world yet.
They laughed at her question because it was such an honest question from a child. They were not laughing at her or her question, but at the juxtaposition of such an insightful question coming from the mind of a child.
@@fuzzycounsellor9147 I think he could have been clearer in his response because the answer to her question is rooted and has more to do with free will ! There was no guarantee that man would fall but GOD was prepared in case man did.. Bottom line God did not want to populate the universe with automatons or puppets, - GOD wanted free will volitional beings.. what gives our love, worship and devotion to GOD validity is that we do it of our own free will.. If we were forced to Worship GOD it would be empty and meaningless.. Like a woman that's in a relationship with a man only for his money..So GOD allowed free will through the tree of good and evil to determine who would serve/worship him in spirit and truth !
Shayanne Smith , I'm sorry but, that's poppycock. The most evil people I' ve met, were religious fanatics. And that's the plain TRUTH. They are often known as HYPOCRITE'S. LOOK AT WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN SIR LANKA. Most likely, RELIGIOUS FANATICS. Religious fanatics have killed, multi millions, perhaps billions, through out history. AND THEIR NOT FINISHED YET!!!
kaleb Gonzales, those people are worshipping demons, the word god is an acronym of the word, gadre'el, a extraterrestrial demon. Like JEW is a acronym of JUDAH, which is "one" of thirteen tribes. Notice there is no "e" or "w" in judah. You are following a religion, that you have not thoroughly studied. You don't know who the so called hebrews descended from, and what they worshipped. I'll give you a clue, they descended from Amorites & Hitites, who worshipped Sumerian extraterrestrial gods. Yahway is also a sumerian god, originally a serpent god, and his wife is Asherah. ( Numbers 21:9 Moses makes an IDOL of a serpent on a pole).The whole world has been duped. They are too lazy to do any real research. They just believe what they are told. In Egypt the serpent is called Apep (the epitome of evil), which would have been known to Moses, who went to egyptian mystery school. The pole is the ROD of Anu, (they were drilling & mining for gold) (the pole is the huge drill, the grooves of the drill bit wraps around like a snake). Anu the ruler of all sumerian extraterrestrial gods. These extraterrestrial gods are the founders of ancient Sumer & Egypt & ancient India, the Indus valley civilization. The snake on the pole has changed names, it is also known as Zu or Ningizzida, and later also as the Rod of Asclepius. If you want to know what really happened you must go back to the beginning, not the middle or the end. You have to research the oldest civilizations, and what they worshipped, or you will be duped.
ANTAR AKA KAYANO FACT nothing is the Bible talks about RELIGION. RELIGION was created by MAN KIND- GOD CREATED and loves RELATIONSHIP with HIM. Go back and read your Bible.
Shayanne Smith, your wrong, the book of Revelations, talks about the Empire of false "Religions". It's better to think "before" you speak. If you don't, the EFFECT usually, won't be good. lol Before you give a book review, FIRST, read the book! lol
It was not the tree of, "Good and evil," it was the, "The tree of the knowledge of good and evil." It was not a tree covered in fruit some good and some evil, like good fruit and rotten fruit. As Eve said, "It was a tree of fruit to make one wise." It was a tree of knowledge, not seeking God's ways but her own. If was a tree of self-satisfaction and self-realization; God was left out.
I took magic mushrooms and realised i was a god. In the bible if you take it it said you will be like one of us. There is something to magic mushrooms being the tree of knowledge
Eve is the hero Anybody will love God if he makes him So we will go to the lower world and prove it Exactly what God wanted Eve did what God wanted Adam did not” but when you do”he said
Men can change there's ways and there's alot to it you just have to believe in yourself that you can do it and not put your thoughts down the way men could change from bad to good is to get better at it even though things might be heard
Except that compulsory love is right there in the Bible, touted as God's greatest commandment. Thou SHALT love God. That's what "commandment" means. You're ordered to do it. "Command" is part of the word. Do you ever command your spouse or children to love you? You'll probably want to argue that we can still choose not to, but the Bible has that covered as well: suffer in torment for eternity if that is your decision. That's free will only in the most narrow and legalistic sense; a five-year-old can see the injustice and lack of freedom in "do this or else".
Well first of all hell is not a place. It’s the grave. Hell fire is the lake of fire. Which was meant for satan and his angels. But after man fell it was also meant for those choose to follow him. God is holy and good but sin is so far from who God is. So it separated us from him. So if you choose to love God. Then love him with all thy heart and soul. But we have to first choose him. If God was not love he would have and could have destroyed satan the angels who rebelled with him and all mankind along time ago. God bless you!
@@michaeldiaz754 So you believe hell is not eternal torment but simply the end of existence? That's somewhat better I suppose, but you've still got God COMMANDING us to love him, or else our existence will be ended, which is much the same as you or I threatening to kill another human being if they don't do what we want. Regardless of the consequences, you still avoided giving any explanation of why ordering someone to love you should be considered admirable at all.
@ Scott You have to remember the dilemma lucifer put on God. He wanted to be like God. And he wanted to be worshipped like him. Which if you are the created being you are not deserving of being worshipped like the creator. It would be like a you wanting to be honored in your family as a parent. But your parents are the true people who deserve to be honored as bringing you and others in the family into existence. Lucifer had been given beauty and wisdom. And he squandered it away for sin. And sin is the transgression of Gods law. For without the law there would be no sin. So the law has always existed in Gods creation. Satan is what Lucifer is called now. Because it means the adversary. Not just to God but all his creation and his law. Now again I say the law is only for those who chose to follow him. So you have free will to do as you want. But God in his word tells us that sin will destroy you. So yes there is only two choices. But choosing God offers eternal life. The other does not. And God has to put an end to sin. For all the people who choose him. Because he is Just.
Garbage. Did Eve KNOW if she could HAVE children, and that her choice would affect them? Did she make it so people born later would be UNABLE to see God, OR the disguised fallen angels? Yes or no?
20 trillion years from now we will still look upon him whom we have pierced and seeing those scars we will marvel at His unspeakable love for us ! He has chosen us to be His eternal companion , if I can only add my voice to that heavenly chorus “worthy is the Lamb “ it will be enough !!
Blametheidiot Clintons I think you’re misunderstanding the question. “Why would God allow people to have a free choice” is different than asking, if god knew humanity would fall, why give them a stumbling block?” Or “wasn’t God creative enough to imagine a version of the world populated only by those who would resist temptation “? That’s much different than withholding free will.
I think the laughing was more in response to the magnitude of such a great question coming from a child. I do not think it was laughter "at" her or at least that is how I took it.
And this dweeb could barely address it, I suspect - not without preposterously conflating the choices of TWO people unaware of good, evil or the wider stakes, with those born after, with no real choice, who begin with a stacked deck in favour of rebel angels?
Sometimes I have questions but this scripture comes to mind... Proverbs3:5. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Allan Massan but....... How do you know it's GOD you're trusting. That scripture means to know that you can always improve no matter how much you know because GOD knows everything. So don't ever think you're completely right because you never will be only GOD. So don't trust in your own abilities. Your abilities can always improve no matter how great you become.
Allan Massan "Sometimes I have questions but this scripture comes to mind... Proverbs3:5. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. " Basically you are saying "Disengage your brain, stop thinking and stop questioning things"
Allan Massan "Here is free will, but you better do exactly as I say without question." I fail to see why people think God doesn't want mindless servants. Where in the Bible does God say that He wants freethinkers?
*Sofie, I love your question!!* One of the best I've heard, and I'm a grown-up :) Thank you for asking it. Because of you, we can all learn something new and amazing about God, our heavenly Papa! ♥ Thank you Dr Barnett for such a detailed but clear explanation. Great question + Amazing revelation!!
Pip Yes, our heavenly Papa is watching us die of cancers...dementia...alzheimer...Ictus.....heart failures....kidney failures.....and He does not give a SHIT about it !
@@ateoforever7434 maybe it's because the most high doesn't love everyone. No scripture says that he loves everyone. Blame these disgusting and corrupt humans for that shit. He protects whom he wills and punishes whom he wills
You will never learn anything amazing about God, just someones' interpretation of that concept. When there is no god, there is no enlightenment about it.
@@mrx1278 why should the most high love everyone?? You don't love everyone your damn self and I'm sure you don't help every single individual in the world either.
Are you saying that no country can be ruled or exist without your god? Are you saying that unless you are christian I cannot go to school, or ride a bicycle, or form an opinion? Are you saying that if I am an atheist, have no belief in your god, that I cannot breathe, or have sex, or pet my dog... You say nothing, what the heck do you mean by cherry picking THAT particular sentence?
@@mrx1278 so why are u on this video? This video isn't for you. Carry on and look at something for atheist. Another thing, how can you say you dont believe IN God?? You should say I dont believe IN A God. You atheists condradict yourselves. Be clear so we can know where you stand.
Butter Gurls he has a right to watch a video... you can study fiction without believing it lol. little to nobody believes in Harry Potter but people still read books/watch movies.
It's a conditioned reflex, when a rational question crashes into their indoctrination, shattering the dogma of fantasy based mythology and religious rituals. A believer follows, but a disciple questions. Because once you make the choice to become a disciple, there is no going back...
I think they laughed because a little girl asked a really good question then they also laughed because of the big words he was writing they thought he was writing gibberish because they never heard of the words.
He sets before us good and evil friends... Now it's up to us to decide which we choose... He didn't choose it for us. It appears that He wants willing "Friends/servants/children". He says He'll make things right in the end... but for now... Choose!
James Allen jr. " but for now...Choose ! "......yep...god said, if you don't follow me...i'll torture you ! if you do....i will not. do i have to choose ? not much of a choice ......threats are not my favorite thing....
@@TDBanimefan So, god is a computer.....he still has to judge those who lived in the past, maybe 30 billions..? plus 8 billions living now....and he remembers every single swear word and sin committed by each and one of us....REALLY ??? what a lot of BS !!!
@@ateoforever7434 What are you talking about? I never mentioned anything about a computer and I can not even tell if your for against the idea of a god.
I agree, free will, GOD only wants those who love him. It may seem narrow to people but who do you want in your house? Everything is GOD's house. GOD has emotion, read about it in the bible. HE WANT YOUR LOVE! I give the Lord my love, I pray you do too. Amen!
calledoutones777 You seem to have understanding of scriptures. Please explain this to me. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 an Revelations 17:8 explain the coming of the antichrist. Are the scriptures saying that he is already here or has he not taken a physical form yet? A pastor uploaded a vid explaining how the antichrist will counterfeit the resurrection of Christ and perform miracles which will lead everyone to accept him as Messiah. I don't want to misunderstand.
Yay!!! Samuel 15:3...God commands the killing of infants. He does this several times in the Bible. How do you think God wants babies killed? Smash their tiny skulls in? Drowning them? Snapping their tiny necks???? What’s the biblical way to kill a baby?
God put in my mind this answer for why the tree snd evil. God and Jesus created us for a family. And our life is a chance to show that we want to be part of his family. So the evil is a test. Choose to live either way that is your way. Thank you foot your teaching Brother John.
Wow blows your mind, you have to love God so much every time I hear something new or told in a different way, God to me is so very beautiful. loved him as a tiny tot crying on my own at school being bullied, i prayed for it to stop, how did i know how to pray who knows none of my family are believers but God did comfort me and I sang to him from age 4 to 8, slowly forgot to pray and then in 2011 had a massive encounter with our creator but that is another beautiful story. I would love to see what the garden of eden looked like. Praise God glorious, amazing, beautiful HEAVENLY FATHER I adore you xxxxxxx
it was laughter that your not supposed to question the bible. hasn't this young girl learned that yet. because the only way the bible works is if you remain ignorant
Years ago the Holy Spirit asked me a question, but I don't remember any of the circumstances leading to it: "Can God grow?" My reply: NO! God is all in all! (End of discussion. In my case, the Holy Spirit does not "discuss" anything with me). Sometime later, I was talking to a co-worker who had five kids, and I kept thinking of all the problems just one teenager caused so I asked him: Five kids? What do you do with five kids!? He looked thoughtfully at me and said: You love them. I didn't reply to him but I thought: What kind of answer is that? What is that supposed to mean? Months later I asked the Holy Spirit what my co-worker's response was supposed to mean. I said: Well, of course you love your kids, but that's not what I asked him. What was his point? I mean, FIVE kids! How can you be a good parent with five kids? They'll suffer. You can't dedicate enough time to five! You have to split your love and they only get one-fifth of your love. The Holy Spirit quickened me with: *Love is not divided; It's multiplied.* My reply: What? Huh? (End of the Holy Spirit's reply to me). So like a humble and devoted Christian, I countered with: No! You have one child, you love 100%, you have two, each gets 50%, etc. What do You mean: "Love is not divided? Love is multiplied." ? It's as if You're saying that if you have one child, you love 100% , and two would mean your love jumps to 200%, and..... wait, ... but if that's true, then what is the limit of how much love fits in a parent's heart???.... It's limitless! Immediately the Holy Spirit quickened me the same question from months prior: *Can God grow?* Oh!!!!!!! YES! *BY HAVING CHILDREN!* Perhaps this is one reason God allows free will: *We* choose to become His children. *His love grows.* God is love. On a different occasion, the Holy Spirit taught me that satan strives for power through might and wisdom, but God is ALMIGHTY because of His heart, *HIS LOVE* . It's love that gives power, so Satan can never become "like God". Maranatha!!!
The holy spirit asked you a question cause you are you good and that your loved by god god wants to take you with him cause you are people you are some body that can ask questions and give answers
Thank you, sister. That was a very special precious thing to share from your heart. It touched me, and helped me see how love grows, its not divided. God bless you!
@Lord Zeus our God of Truth Storms War has returned you need some SERIOUS DELIVERENCE. You are right that the devil has influence over powerful people and companies that sell their souls to him in exchange for what their flesh desires most, but the other thing about Eve and Adam is going off the deep end of Gnosticism. Iesus is a TRANSLITERATION of the Greek and Jesus is YAHWEH SAVES (YEHSHUA) in the flesh. Zeus is going to fry in the lake of fire. Casting down EVERY vain imagination that exalts itself above the knowledge of God and bringing it into COMPLETE SUBMISSION under Lord Jesus Christ (emphasis mine). Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that JESUS IS LORD to the glory of God.
@Lord Zeus our God of Truth Storms War has returned *In the Name above every name,* *and by the power in the Name of* *Jesus Christ,* *I rebuke every curse out of your mouth and* *make them null and void out of every part* *of my life.* *Amen!* *Amen!* *Amen!*
This is Very Good Teaching! Have known this for over 40 years. Great to hear one with authority teach truth!! Everything is All about "CHOICE"! We are given the "Choice" to choose Good or Evil! Proverbs 8:17. "I Love them that Love me..... Loving God is a Choice & a Way of Life! Regardless though of how much knowledge we have, or gifts, or talents, if we Don't have Love toward others, we are nothing. Corinthians 13 Matthew 22:37-40 Greatest two Commandments
God had to give man free will to choose to obey Him or not. Genuine love and worship has to be freely given. If God created us to be without the freedom to choose then there wouldn't be any point of life. Of course God knew man would sin because only God is truly good. God planned to send His Son Jesus Christ to die as a sacrifice for man's sin even BEFORE He created the world and man. God is all knowing and wise, therefore we never have to worry about what God is doing because He loves us so much that He would even come down to earth and dwell amongst us and give His life, shed His precious blood for our sins. Only the blood of Holy God can cleanse us of all sin. That is why Jesus Christ is the only way, truth and life that leads to God the Father. Amen!!!!
George M YOUR WERE CORRECT ABOUT MOST THE THINGS U SAID BUT WHEN U SAID LOVES US SO MUCH U MAKE IT PRESENT TENSE .... SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SAY GOD SO LOVED WITH A PAST TENSE ENDING HE DOESN'T EVEN NOW LOVE EVERYONE
Matthew 5:22 KJV - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
George M how does free will exist. If everything is part of gods plan and already planned out ? By that logic. God knows who will kill people. Tape, molest, etc etc. And allows it to happen. Cause part of his plan for those people.
Martin Vargas Foreknowledge is not everything planned out, although it allows planning that takes into account what various ones are going to do. Foreknowledge is knowing; it is not making the future happen. The manager of KMart sat in an office raised above the store, behind 2-way mirrors. He could see all over the store; perhaps not everything, but enough of each aisle to see when something was going on. He sees a shoplifter on Aisle 6. He watches him, and when it is confirmed that the man stuffed an item in his clothes, he gets on the phone or intercom and gets the lady at the Service Desk to walk outside, telling her who to look for, and he gets the store detective to move in behind the man to follow him out of the store. As the man moves into the main aisle to the door, his eyes follow every step. He has orchestrated the arrest of the shoplifter, with no more than seeing what is happening down there. Without leaving his office, he has gotten the man stopped by store employees, and the police are on their way. God does not have to make _everything_ happen, to make those things He has declared He is going to make happen, happen. Yes, He made creation happen. He has declared that He has predestined certain things, but none if that requires that He make sin and the fall happen. In fact, He would be misleading the world to say that He tempts no one, if He predestined sin to happen, then held man accountable for what he could in no way not do.
"God" as we choose to call Him.... can see the infinite realities of every choice. But He is LOVE. And He is righteousness. So he is 100% always seeking and awaiting the reality where the RIGHT choice is made. He is never awaiting the evil choice. Evil, though always a possibility, is not a place He conducts business. Its is as foreign to Him as East is to West.
On the online programming by Dr. John Samuel Barnet's teaching;why does God allow evil. This is very profound...worthy of looking into. God bless your ministry, Dr. Barnett.
What a wonderfull fact, that our lord Jesus told us he will never leave us in eternity. Which means He holds us forever. Thank you for answer Sofies question!
What is he talking about ?He is not coming close to answering the question about the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil ! Is it because he doesn't know?
I agree that many today get offended by the truth of God's word but why would Eve being tempted be offensive? Usually the statements that offend people are like... "God created everything, even the wicked for the day of trouble." (Proverbs (16:4) or "God hates all who commit evil." (Psalm 5:5,11) or "God doesn't elect someone based on the will of the person or based on a righteous act done by the person. God's election is not conditional but it is unconditional." (Romans 9:11,16)
@starchildstrider Hello I dont remember this video and busy going out for the day. The word fear is manipulated by our society. In our purest form pride does not exist and the fear of the Lord is much more appreciated. Iam not sure why it is hard to have fear, reverence, for the creator of all.
@starchildstrider I dont think you are the only one. It is hard, we are not taught the amazing effect of fear. Have you thought that he is more concerned with us than we realize.
no. Fear is the mind killer. Know Jesus, no fear. The Creator made people to be real thinking feeling free will creatures... and they were doing very well, but still a little slow. So god had Lucifer help Eve understand she had the ability to think and make choices for herself. Once Eve understood this, she explained it to Adam. Then they both enjoyed the Tree of Knowledge, free will and thinking. God released them from Eden Labs and they populated all the Earth. Through Knowledge, we also have the Tree of Life. We have these abilities now, thanks be to God, and his servant, Lucifer.
Lucifer sinned not because God withdrew His protective power or control. God created His created beings with free choice. If God had always kept the angels, including Lucifer, to be perfectly obedient, then He created only robots. Sin happened because Lucifer, and subsequently mankind (including Hezekiah), exercised free choice not to obey God. The perfection in the created beings includes this free choice, and we exercise this free choice as perfect creations. If we had been created and controlled like puppets, then we are not perfect. God wants us to love and obey Him freely, not by force.
Samiaji Judistira The Bible never once calls humankind perfect. The very reason Jesus is at the center of Christianity is because not a single human being besides him is supposed to have been perfect.
Everything that God created was and is perfect. Mankind was perfect when they were first created. But the creation was corrupted by Sin, and nothing in this world is perfect anymore. And this what the Bible says about Lucifer, in Ezekiel 28: 11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: “‘You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Genesis 1: 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. (the image of God is perfect) 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” 29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day. Are we going to say that "all that He had made was very good, but not perfect?"
Samiaji Judistira where in the whole bible did God give man free will. Free will never existed we have the illusion of free will. Real free will is to do what ever the fuck you want to do and not suffer the consequences. We have will power but not free will
Its logic like build a computer that only do what you do and only act when someone push buttons....build a i robot (for exemple) and it learns to think for themself...curiousity will come with time and then good and bad things can happen.....
Joey Kuijs why do people not see the act of sex for what it is? You shall not surely die from sex, but if you have sex you shall bear children. Why must men always take scripture out of context? The one eyed serpent in the garden is in your pants.
Sir William Douglas Neff that was not my point thats the point off the forbidden fruit. But you are correct about that.... my point is if you build/make even create intellegents it will have its own mind and eventually make choices.... but dont mind my english 😂its not 100% correct
Joey Kuijs what you are speaking of is the last step before the Abomination that causes Desolation as it is written in the clouds of the Milky Way, an unlawful joining of man and machine whereby the artificial intelligence controls the man. It causes desolation of the spirit.
Life only lasts so long, we were all put on this earth for a reason which is to complete the life set out the good lord has prepared for us. Along the way it is our duty to find him through faith and to accept Jesus as our savior. After all, Jesus lived a perfect life free of sin and then died on the cross for us so humans could be forgiven of sin. Have faith, pray and have conversations with god cause he just wants to be in your life it means a lot to him for you to love him back, after all, he created you. He loves you and knows you better then you know yourself. Confess your sins to god, take responsibility for them, serve god and do good deeds. Don’t be selfish, don’t have a ego or let pride get to you, don’t let things consume you, you control your body, it doesn’t control you. Try to break away from the habits. Tell god you love him and you care. Talk to god because he loves you.
The tree is "the knowledge" of good and evil. Like God was saying, you aren't just alive but a concious being. As such, there is this bit of wisdom over here to deal with but I am here to help you through.
Once the great controvesy is settled, and heaven, or the garden, is restored, He provides the Tree of Life which we will eat many types of fruit from freely. Creation healed and His charactor preserved. Amen.
At this point, Satan was already a sinner and a deceiver. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents Satan. The tree of life represents Jesus. When Adam and Eve chose to partake of the fruit of the first tree, they essentially chose to participate in Satan's disobedience. That is why Satan has power in this world. We opened the door for him to enter and take over. The book of Revelations says that in paradise there will be a tree of life. The only way we can eat from it is to believe in Jesus and participate in his Holiness.
Chris Serna that's deep. Literally Yah was in one ear, and ha' Shatan in the other.. 'choose this day, life or death' just like he did in Deuteronomy 30:15-18 (KJV) See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land,...... or Job 1:8-12 But what is really deep is that Yah SENT ha'Shatan with conditions. He was not being disobedient. Yahoshua also cast out demons at will Yah hardened Pharoahs heart so Pharoah wouldn't let the Israelites go. Yah is ALWAYS in control of them. He sends ha'Shatan out to TEST man.
Chris Serna I did open the door ( i didn't know who he was )....he hasn't left my house yet, but he pays to have him, he cooks dinners, vacuum the floor...he refuses to go shopping, ( does not want to be recognised )....the only bad thing...he farts a lot, (solphur smell)....
Actually we enter into a binding covenant with him the day we receive him as our Lord and Savior. It’s eternally binding. All covenants are. Also we are sealed till the day of redemption with a seal only the lamb can open because it is his. You cannot remove yourself from God’s hand. Satan didn’t leave, he was cast out as a punishment. Angels aren’t given the grace we are. That is Christ’s covenant with us. The Bible says let your yeas be yeas and your nays, nays. Swear not upon anything of the heavens or the earth. Promises, covenants, vows are binding. It’s your choice to choose Christ or deny him but once you do he is obligated to uphold his promise. The wrath of God cannot abide upon you but be not deceived, God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man Soweth that also shall he reap. He may not send us to hell but we will give account for what we do and we will reap our reward good or evil.
@Truth Seeker there is no way I can address all the errs in your thinking on this platform Hun but it is clear you are not a Christian nor are you using a King James 1611 Bible. I have been saved in the Lord for 28yrs. I am a pastor’s daughter and was a missionary for 20yrs. I was a pastor’s wife for 18yrs. I see such a hodgepodge of doctrines in your beliefs that it’s like detangling a matted mess. First off, grace is not the same as repentance. Repentance is a heart felt sorrow for our actions and a turning away from our sins because of that sorrow and acknowledgment that we have sinned against God. Because of that and our calling out for God to save save us from that sin and to be our Lord and Savior we enter into a covenant with him through faith. For this he gives us grace. Grace is when we received something of the lord we do not deserve. Like when Christ provides the payment for our sins by shedding his innocent blood and dying in our stead. This is also mercy because we do not bear the punishment for our sins because he takes that punishment for us. We become a new creature. We are washed in his blood and receive his righteousness. Notice we don’t have righteousness of our own because we are not sinless just blameless. Without Christ none of this works. Our sin nature doesn’t die. We go to war with it. Read Paul’s account. He clearly states the things he wouldn’t do he does and what he should do he doesn’t because sin is in him and it’s a battle. Just read Romans. We are in Christ, the members of Christ, his bride, not his sibling and as his bride God sees us as one body with him. Angels do sin, which is why we shall judge them. They rebel. But they do not have grace as we do. He expects them to obey. Free will is not the ability to think for yourself but the right to choose for yourself. Angels do not have that. God tells us sin is with us from birth, none are born sinless. The reason Christ is sinless is that God placed him in Mary’s womb. He was not created through physical means and carries no familial DNA from Mary. That is how he could be born without inheriting the sin of Adam’s race. He is our Lord not our Boss. We serve him out of loyalty not duty or payment. God is a trinity not 2 parts, he is God the Father, Jesus Christ (The Word), and the Holy Spirit. They are one. Just as we are one in Christ. He gives payment for our sins and other than accepting his gift we have nothing to do with that agreement between him and God. Like Boaz going to his kinsman to secure Ruth as his bride. She had no role in the negotiations. As Jacob made a covenant with the Lord and the Lord caused a deep sleep to come upon Jacob and he made the covenant whilst Jacob slept. Jacob did not hold the covenant, The Lord did. When you repent and choose Christ many changes take place you do not control. First, your sins are washed away in the blood of Christ. The record of them is blotted out. Second, you are sealed until the day of redemption. The soul within you is separated from your flesh so the deeds of the flesh cannot corrupt your soul. This is because sin is still in you it is just not one with you. Just as we are in the world but we are not supposed to be one with it but separate. This means our souls maintain a sinless state even though our flesh may not. The flesh can be punished for our sins but are soul is safe and sealed in the spirit. The Bible says, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee….Low, I am with you always…” he leaves with us his spirit to teach us and interpret the will of God for us. Christ takes residence in us. We become a living temple and our heart the holy of Holies. The thrown room. No one can remove us from his hand. He states it clearly. That means you cannot remove yourself from God. Just like he and his father are one we are one in Christ. God is not willing that any should perish. We are commanded to preach unto every creature. It’s hard enough trying to overcome sin in our lives let alone preach to every creature for no reason. God does not lie so it must be his desire that everyone get saved even if free will means not everyone will. He wouldn’t waste our time with trying to lead people to Christ who can’t get saved. But nothing I say matters if you don’t have solid scripture and you are going off some corrupt text. The Bible is of no personal interpretation. Every foundational belief is supported with two or three scriptural references or witnesses to ensure it cannot be corrupted. That is why we are to seek, ask of God, and study to show ourselves approved. This way the beliefs and traditions of men, false profits, cultish beliefs do not destroy Gods true plan for mankind and us as individuals. I suggest you sincerely pray for God to reveal his truth to you and give you a spirit of discernment.
@Truth Seeker Constantine created the Catholic Church as a political option. Catholics aren’t true Bible believers. In fact Constantine didn’t create the Catholic Church it goes back to Jezabel and bail worship. He simply gave it a platform. The tribes came from Isaac and Ishmael in Genesis. Isaac’s line the lineage of his kingdom and ishmael’s that of the Arab nations. There are twelve tribes in Israel and there were twelve houses in the stars to represent them. This was set for times and signs but was distorted when the earth was shifted on it access shortening length of days and the lifespan of mankind. The calendar was created much later. It’s a man made thing not God thing. God used feasts and holy days to map out his calendar. They are actually dress rehearsals for what was to come in the New Testament and millenium. It’s like you understand many things but your vision is just a bit distorted. We are in the age of grace. What we become after this life will come with different rules and expectations. We are not under the law. Christ on the cross said the law was finished. The sabbath is 6pm Friday to 6pm Saturday. That has never changed. It is God’s day of rest. But there is no more law to hold us to it. The sabbath is not re established till the millennium. Under Old Testament law you could stone your neighbor if you caught him working on the sabbath. Look I agree most “Christians” are not true Christians in the biblical sense but where you take it is far beyond the doctrinal confines of the Bible. I think you are named appropriately for I believe you seek the truth because you have not found it just yet. You sound much like a seventh day Adventist friend of mine. A little like some Mormons I know. I stick to the Bible and the discerning of the Holy Spirit. I have theories of our purpose and what lays between the doctrinal texts of the Bible as well but those are not provable things. Line upon line, precept upon precept. The Bible is my book of laws and expectations from God. If you are following some other text or concept of men I can’t help that. I know whom I serve. The God of Isaac and Jacob, of Noah and Abraham. I serve Jesus Christ who is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. I do not serve you or your misguided doctrines. I am fallible and God has all eternity to correct any error in me and any of his other children. For no man is perfect. You take a truth than you run off with it somewhere and twist it into some outlandish thing. I fear I have answered a fool according to his folly and this will just continue to go on and on. You are dangerous for you know enough to draw people in but then you go off on a tangent leading them astray of the simple truths of God’s message. Remember Satan comes as an Angel of light. The serpent betrayed and led Eve astray with one question…”yay, hath God said….” It is a very tangled web you weave and I shall leave you to get lost in your own self righteousness but I will pray for you, that God does give you the truth you seek and you are willing to accept it when he shows it to you.
@Truth Seeker first I do not have “religion” I have Faith. Jesus Christ hated religion and the traditions of men that led them astray. All who call themselves “Christians” do not originate from the same beliefs. All true believers aren’t Jews. Gentiles have been grafted in. We answer to Christ who died for us. He is our mediator. I find that those who only look to the father and will not look to Christ usually do not believe he is the messiah. When God the father looks at us he sees his only begotten son who he loves. It pleased the father that he was bruised and beaten for our transgressions. He accepted his death as propitiation for our sins. The new Jerusalem is not on this earth. This earth is destroyed by fire. Post tribulation/post millennial. God created a new heaven and a new earth. You are confusing the millennial kingdom with the New Jerusalem. It’s like you took all these profound truths and mixed them together out of order. You clearly need help with dispensations and who God is addressing when. I have only responded to you because I don’t want people to be confused by you. You give no answer for where you get your doctrine, your Bible, your church. I guess I will have to go back through the messages and reference everything with chapter and verse despite going way beyond the topic this was meant to address which was to say satan did not choose to leave God. He rebelled and tried to dethrone him so God cast him out as punishment (Isaiah 14). As for men, once you are a member of the body of Christ and received him as your Lord and Savior you cannot just decide to remove yourself from God’s hand. 1 Peter 1:3-5 our salvation is kept by God not us. John 10:27-29 God and Christ are one and “no man” can remove us from his hand. If you are human that means you too. Christ died for all my sins past, present, and future. I answer to no other authority but him. If I turn my back on him it doesn’t change my standing in Christ. I will reap for my sins in the flesh. when I die I stand before him at the judgement seat of Christ to give account for myself as an ambassador bearing his name. I will lose treasures in heaven. I do not stand before him at the white thrown as the lost. The wrath of God cannot abide on me. It is part of his promise. If salvation is not by grace through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ then pray tell, how does one get to heaven? By works? God forbid, the Jews could not fulfill the law which is why Christ came. How then shall you fulfill it without his promise and saving grace? If you can lose it every time you sin then how is it eternal salvation? Again, it has been proven that Christ was the only on capable of keeping the law and then did away with it. Thus, “It is finished”. What is your testimony of faith? I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior on August 28, 1993 @ 15yrs old. I have been in his ministry since then. I use a King James AV 1611 Bible. I am part of an assembly of believers but I need no church or affiliation to support my beliefs. My Bible is my declaration of beliefs. Where two or more are gathered together there he is also. I do not make confession to anyone but him. For there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. I am not here to abolish Satan. That is between him and God. His days are numbered. I am told to resist him and he will flee. I am here to be a light and testimony for Christ in the world controlled by him. He is the landlord. How else could he temp Christ by offering to give it to him before the appointed time. I am called to be a fisher of men and feed his sheep. To preach unto every creature. To give testimony of the faith that is in me as is every one of his children. I will pray for you. I am not your enemy and I do hope you find the truth. Christ said, “I am The Way, The Truth, and The Light. No man cometh onto the father but by me.” I’ve found the truth and I pray you will too.
@Truth Seeker interesting how I spent an hour last night posting the entire plan of salvation with supporting texts and doctrinal witnesses in response to you reply and this morning that post has been removed. Looks like the person who removed it is the one serving the devil
I look at it through the eyes of obedience. For example. If you tell your children, you can have the food on the kitchen table but don’t eat out of the refrigerator. (For example- 1. You’re the parent, 2. You made food for the kids you’ve birthed 3. As children you should remain obedient and respect our home. ) God told Adam and Eve to not eat of the tree or you’ll surely die. God’s the parent, honor and respect his orders, and don’t EAT OFF THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
@ANDMA, I didn't say he congratulated them, please don't go attributing a statement to me that I never stated. God put that Tree there because He wanted them to gain that knowledge. He wanted them to Fall. This was not for any measure of punishment, but so that they could grow. People do not grow in a stagnate environment. People grow through adversity. Remember what God said, "cursed is the ground for thy sake;". That is not a statement of punishment. Having gained the knowledge provided by the fruit, Adam needed to exercise it. To properly exercise knowledge between good and evil, you need to have both good and evil in your life. Being the Garden would have done nothing for this. Adam needed to be in an environment which pushed him to grow. So we have the bad things in this world to truly appreciate the good things in this world and beyond. A man who does not believe he has sinned, will not seek to repent. A person who has repented will know the peace that brings. To paraphrase another, there needs to be an opposition in all things. Without it, righteousness could not be brought to pass because there is no wickedness. Holiness and misery, good and bad, are all two parts of the same coin. Sitting on a couch does not do much to exercise your muscles. It is only when you put your muscles in opposition to another force (be it another person, weights, or even your own body against gravity, whatever) that they are able to grow. Critical learning is gained by having your views challenged and debated. That is the verbal equivalent to the thorns and briars that the gardener Adam had to deal with after leaving the Garden. So, yes. Adam and Eve eating the fruit and Falling was all part of God's plan to help them (and by extension, us) grow. He could not congratulate them, because they did sin, but that doesn't mean He wasn't expecting it, even planning on it. He already had the plan of the Atonement in place before even the light was separated from the darkness for Earth. Think about it, what was a greater event in history, the Creation or the Atonement of Christ? Without the Fall, Creation would not progress. Without the Atonement, Creation would have been meaningless. Without the Fall, there would have been no need for an Atonement. Within that can be found the Glory of the Christ
My daughter just asked me a similar question today: “Mom God knows everything before it happens, why didn’t He stop Adam and Eve from eating off the tree?”
@@allisonvero2142 Adam and eve were completely unaware of even the concepts of good or evil prior to eating the fruit. That's not a choice, that's a trick.
Was never about the tree or fruit in tne garden people. GOD could have said do not sit on this stone ..... Its about listening, and being obediant to His commandments because He knows whats best for us. If you dont trust in God tbere will be consequences.
Peregrin falcon, there is nó growth in trust without walking togéther with God, through a period of time... like a child does with it's parents. Tests come too, to grow us and show ùs what is in us. And grow some more.. IN TRUSTING GOD., not ourselves!!! Hím!
20:51 the only thing that makes sense to me is that the tree of knowledge of good and evil was the wisest way god can give us the way to exercise his loving gift of free will to us. god is love. love needs and object of love. and that is the requirement of loving another: for that other to have the freedom to choose to accept or reject that love. he already knew the consequence of such gift and already had the solution from the foundation of the world-jesus-for god so love the world that he gave his only begotten son...
Clay Thomas so right Adam got a command from GOD not to eat Eve wasn't created yet so it was Adam duty to make Shure Eve got the command from Adam not to eat of the tree but instead he partake of it
Becareful of the statements we put forth. The woman answered, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’”
It's interesting that Dr. Barnett didn't laugh. He smiled, but not because he thought the question was funny. He smiled because it was a great question coming from a youngster.
A great and knowledgable preacher, I cannot think of that. It may be just an opinion but it make alot of sense. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:9
Everything Creator made was good, including the Tree of Knowledge, the Tree of Life, and Lucifer who helped Eve because she was still being a little slow... I am sure she would have figured it out for herself eventually... maybe... Without Lucifer, there can be no Salvation. (because we would still be running around in the woods naked and clueless... actually, that doesn't sound like a bad way of life at all ! )
chris sonofpear1 no!! You still fail to understand why man is punished! You act as if no one is in the wrong except God! Why can’t you see that he’s not the one to blame? Man is the one that chooses to turn his back, NOT GOD! Do you even realize why God caused the flood?
@@Danielle33384 God is the one who put the tree there and he KNEW adam and eve would fall if you already know something bad is going to happen and it happens your at fault not them
I believe a short answer could be what the bible says :" All things were created by him for him" .... We have cleaning products in our home that can harm children if they drink it. We can tell them not to drink it, if they choose to disobey they can be harmed or worse. The cleaning products were not there to harm children but to clean.
Late reply but this analogy doesn't quite cut it. If you knew 100% that your child would drink the bleach under the sink tomorrow, why would you put the bleach under the sink?
You wouldn't put the cleaning products front in center in front of a baby. You move it, secure it and make sure the baby doesn't have access to it. Because you love that baby. You don't test the baby. Because you know it knows no better.
Love how the audience laughed, but this question and the nature of Lucifer in his involvement, is a large underpinning of the gnostic interpretation of Christianity. Some of you may or may not know that while most would seem it heretical, this was one of the earliest sects of Christianity. Also, strangely coincidental, in the gnostic mythos there was a being of Wisdom known as sophia. And her name is sophie which is derivative of the being I spoke of. The concept is very in depth and if your curious I suggest you to do your own research. I believe you can find most texts in the public domain, but interpretations and numerous books have also been written so it may be a good idea to look at a few of those, rather than just dismissing the notion. It's rather challenging to ponder at first, somewhat turning Christianity on it's head, but once you understand it, The narrative found in the bible is much more clear.
(sigh), ANOTHER sect, If all this garbage was true, there would be no sects. There would be no deviation from the truth, but since humankind is able to break off from the truth in individual sects, it becomes apparent that the whole thing is bull crap... Participate at your own peril.....
there is only God's Will that leads to life or Sin which leads to death, no such thing as free will, free from what God? Death? Consequences? Stop teaching religion and stick with what the bible actually says.
sorry wrong, free will is not the same as choice. Jesus did nothing of his own will but only the Will of God who sent him, he chose to do the will of God so that all he did originates from God and not from himself
you have choices but they are not free, there are prices to pay for choices. God's Will shall be done no matter what I choose to do, therefore I am subject to it and cannot escape it no matter what decisions I choose to make therefore I am not free, If I had free Will I would sin and not die, this is not the case, we all die why? because God's will is that all who sin die, but He frees us from Death not from our Will but through His Son. This is the choice for everyone ...be subject To God's will and enjoy the benefits or go against God's will and suffer the consequences. Our choices have boundaries therefore we do not have free will.
John 10:17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My [own] life so that I may take it back. 18 No one takes it away from Me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I am authorized and have power to lay it down and to give it up, and I am authorized and have power to take it back. This command I have received from My Father.” Even In choosing voluntarily in giving his life for us Jesus was following a command from God, He carried out God's will not His own.
wow. You ppl are really buying into this sophistry? Think about it. 1. Infralapsarianism - In this view, God's foreknowledge of the fall is consistent with His decree to permit it, as it serves as part of His plan for the manifestation of His attributes, such as justice and mercy. So God intentionally wanted people to sin and go to hell and he intentionally killed many people to get what he wanted. 2. Supra-Lapsarianism - Supra-Lapsarianism is often associated with a more rigorous view of predestination, with God's decree to reprobate some individuals preceding His decree for the fall. 3. Sub-Lapsarianism - Sub-Lapsarianism emphasizes that God's decree to allow the fall is a response to human sin rather than a cause of it. God wanted humans to sin. Adam and Eve had no idea that eating the fruit was a bad thing because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to that. He pushes back the question. The existence of Satan was irrelevant to the question. Lucifer had fallen into sin. God didnt allow evil, he created evil (calamity). it was a calamity for Satan to disobey but God already knew that would happen. He created Lucifer with this intention in mind. he then draws Satan as being outside of God but the Bible teaches God is everywhere, there is nothing that exists outside of him. Christianity is false.
Well said my brother, your explanation also brought to mind the fact that everything God creates is subject to change (mutability) by His sovereign will of course and of course He changes not therefore He is immutable.
wow. You ppl are really buying into this sophistry? Think about it. 1. Infralapsarianism - In this view, God's foreknowledge of the fall is consistent with His decree to permit it, as it serves as part of His plan for the manifestation of His attributes, such as justice and mercy. So God intentionally wanted people to sin and go to hell and he intentionally killed many people to get what he wanted. 2. Supra-Lapsarianism - Supra-Lapsarianism is often associated with a more rigorous view of predestination, with God's decree to reprobate some individuals preceding His decree for the fall. 3. Sub-Lapsarianism - Sub-Lapsarianism emphasizes that God's decree to allow the fall is a response to human sin rather than a cause of it. God wanted humans to sin. Adam and Eve had no idea that eating the fruit was a bad thing because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to that. He pushes back the question. The existence of Satan was irrelevant to the question. Lucifer had fallen into sin. God didnt allow evil, he created evil (calamity). it was a calamity for Satan to disobey but God already knew that would happen. He created Lucifer with this intention in mind. he then draws Satan as being outside of God but the Bible teaches God is everywhere, there is nothing that exists outside of him. Christianity is false.
wow. You ppl are really buying into this sophistry? Think about it. 1. Infralapsarianism - In this view, God's foreknowledge of the fall is consistent with His decree to permit it, as it serves as part of His plan for the manifestation of His attributes, such as justice and mercy. So God intentionally wanted people to sin and go to hell and he intentionally killed many people to get what he wanted. 2. Supra-Lapsarianism - Supra-Lapsarianism is often associated with a more rigorous view of predestination, with God's decree to reprobate some individuals preceding His decree for the fall. 3. Sub-Lapsarianism - Sub-Lapsarianism emphasizes that God's decree to allow the fall is a response to human sin rather than a cause of it. God wanted humans to sin. Adam and Eve had no idea that eating the fruit was a bad thing because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to that. He pushes back the question. The existence of Satan was irrelevant to the question. Lucifer had fallen into sin. God didnt allow evil, he created evil (calamity). it was a calamity for Satan to disobey but God already knew that would happen. He created Lucifer with this intention in mind. he then draws Satan as being outside of God but the Bible teaches God is everywhere, there is nothing that exists outside of him. Christianity is false.
God knows every single move we will make in our lives before we ever make them, because He knows the future and everything that will take place within the boundaries of it . He knows everything we'll do in the next 5 minutes, 5 years or 5 decades . It might seem to us like we have free will, but really don't, because God, who is ALL - KNOWING, knows in advance what our outcome will be .
And angels too, @Larry Conkle ? And that Adam and Eve were not really equipped to 'chose' for others, not yet born? And that many Popes were not suitable to make policies about Jewish people, either... do tell?
Larry Conkle I hope you'll be passing that information along to the many Christians who reflexively say "God respects our free will" when we ask why he doesn't prevent evil.
@@fatherthomas1575 Not really sure what your talking about. I only believe in God and yes, Adam and Eve were given free will by God. We were not created to be mindless robots who look the same.
@KT Really? Your argument is Null & Void". So tell me, why would women and children get help from strangers who "choose to" help them? After all why help/stop something if it's to the strangers detriment. Your delusional and really should double check what you just replied. All God said was, "Eat from ANY tree but THIS ONE. Yet they were convinced by saten and CHOOSE to eat the forbidden fruit. I added specific words in CAPS for you to figure it out.
@KT Let us use your line of thinking in an example...So what your telling me is if your dad told you; You can touch ANY appliance in the kitchen except the stovetop because its hot and you could get burned". You would touch the hot stovetop? Just because its there? Just because you were told not too? Remember you chosen to through free-will, aka your own decision. Much like God told Adam and Eve about the forbidden tree.
Mindy Paige Without the freedom to not love, we wouldn't be able to willingly love. We wouldn't be what a human being was created to be, would we? We'd be "Stepford" people, robots, not really human. It has got to be at least part of what's meant by being created in the image of God.
The plan of salvation was not a failure, but the fall, I believe was inevitable simply because of our ability to choose. Is it not love to let people have what they want, if they choose evil over good? A sin lover would be miserable in heaven.
Blindman Limbo Your name says that you are Unseeing and living in a Void. And Dawn Broker certainly made her point about the Tree and Satan. If God had not created Satan things would most certainly have been different in the Garden. By the way what is this word of God's that makes you know how to interpret knowledge. Interpret Knowledge? Surly you mean 'To understand that which has been written.'
It’s so we can explain away evil as being the fault of humanity. If we deserve all the pain and suffering we won’t question the existence of an a benevolent, omnipotent creator
everything is a functions test... are you able to do right ? are you able to do wrong ? GOOD. you have passed your Free Will diagnostics test.... enjoy being a rational living breathing emotional thinking living human being.
Nonsense. Health can exist without disease. Love can exist without hatred. Safety can exist without danger. Life that is half good, half evil isn't "balanced". It's a life that's half of what it ought to be. Stop repeating this nonsensical excuse.
@@johngalt748 Without rude, arrogant, and illogical people like you, perhaps I wouldn't appreciate the civil, logical, and humble ones quite as much, but they would still exist. Your comments are still nonsense.
If there is no light and darkness dwells then that might mean your becoming darkness your self and that's not good evil is calling you to darkness and trying to take you away from the light the light is you you are the light and you just have to listen to your good light and not the darkness of the light
You are the light and darkness of the light is trying to call you so dont listen to that light of darkness listen to your good light cause you are the light and the darkness of the light is evil evil is bad really bad so dont listen to that light listen to the good light
That was a very nice question. I have a better one that most wouldn't even realize they should ask....If the fruit from the "Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil" imbues upon the person knowledge of Good and Evil...then why were they told not to eat of it if they had no knowledge of good and evil? If you don't know good and evil...you don't know Right from wrong.
Hey, I fell asleep halfway through this, did this guy ever answer the question? He took the leisurely route to the words "I don't know", doncha think? Do you know why he can't answer it in cornbread english? It's because it doesn't make sense. You may find that unpleasant, but what I would like is for you to show me where it is untrue.
Wake up & listen. He gave the answer. We have the Bible & you have the ability to research-even using youtube. He gave information. You have free will to accept or reject. Now it's on you. No one is guaranteed their next breath. Have a nice trip.
The fall was foreordained, it wasn’t a test of obedience, in order to ‘obey’ one must understand the difference between good and evil. Obviously it is good to obey righteous instructions, but, without the knowledge of good and evil it is impossible to understand this concept. Many people believe that humans became subject to a ‘bondage of the will’ in the fall of man, on the contrary, man GAINED FREE WILL in the ‘fall’!!!! It is impossible to be a morally responsible agent without being able to grasp the difference between good and evil! No Christian would dispute that Christians are supposed to be conformed to the image of Christ, nobody would dispute that part of being conformed to Christ’s image would include being able to discern the difference between good and evil! Therefore, the ‘fall’ was a necessary piece of the puzzle of being conformed to Christ’s image! I see it as an inoculation process! The introduction of a small dose of disease, thus preventing later infection! If Adam and Eve did not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they could not have grasped the concept of good and evil!
well, "evil was found in satan" because God let go (and let God?) gets us back to the logical conundrum that evil derived from a "pure" Creator, so the Gnostics were right.. the Creator is evil. also, the concept that this passage serves up 'free will' is doubtful because clearly God is punishing those who would seek information (knowledge) to make informed decisions of their volition. A micromanaging deity. Sophie? Sophia? Wisdom... scripted...
I believe love makes people do things knowing it will not work out. We are made in his image and he did say the choice is ours . Maybe God hoped we would choose him and not want evil.
Valerie read Genesis 2:16-18 where God commanded Adam not to eat of the tree, Eve wasn't there yet, she was still a rib in Adam. Not until Genesis 2:21 does Eve appear on the scene.
D Loui bc he created us weak in the first place and allows us to be tested with plagues, suffering, wars, brains capable of logic and reasoning. And if we reject Him or the idea of Him we will suffer for ETERNITY in a lake of fire that He created. We are as free as slaves are to a jealous, self righteous, narcissistic, and abusive master. Jesus tells us to act like good obedient slaves. excuse me but slaves don’t have freedom to create their own conditions. They’re considered property that requires punishment when acting on their own accord. He doesn’t even NEED us to worship him or praise him for eternity. It’s only another of his unrealistic wants. Loving your emotional manipulative abuser (even if did create you) sounds like Stockholm syndrome if you ask me.
We are the essence of God, we are microscopic members of his being. His benevolence is no less because he loves us like he loves himself, and bids us to do the same for each other. God does what he will with his being.
I think people laughed because it really was a great question. The person who asked seemed very young which would have surprised people. It surprised me, I don't think people were laughing at the question, they were laughing at the innocent wisdom of the situation. Laughing suggest your mind can identify strange truths. The more open you are too truth the funnier things seem.
God does everything righteous God is love, is patient, long-suffering for giving to the Thousanth Generation, it's impossible for God to lie, God is Holy will not take any sin into heaven. God is light in him there is no Darkness at all. So God is Justified with all those characteristics that we know of him from the word. Also we're Made In His Image & if someone didn't ask to be born, when they become Born Again they're glad they were born and glad they can exist throughout eternity praising God that's why we were created. God is love he always had someone to love cuz there was the tri Unity from Everlasting to Everlasting. So the happiest way for us to live, and righteous way is serving him and communing with him, we get to go to the Glorious heaven. Now the happiest way for Sinners is to do what they want to do but they can't escape the Flames of Hell unless they repent in this lifetime and serve the Lord, It's a choice. The sheep and the goats Matthew 25 there's only two kinds of people.
Jim Merrilees first thing you're blaming the wrong god, Satan is the prince of this world & the evil one. God gives Grace to people who go through stuff to container want to live, otherwise you'd see Mass suicides, throughout the worst times in history. WRONG, God does not condone rape, the Quran does. The Bible does not condone torture. The slavery in the Bible is not like the Civil War South, more like indentured servant, voluntary. A slave was not a person's property that own them, in the Calvinist south of 1800 America, that was a completely different slavery. The Bible is miraculous. The probability that it takes for it to remain in the same non contradictory streams of thought with itself, many threads of Doctrine. The Book of Romans cosio Testament at least 61 times not contradicting the places it quoted from and the book itself. Romans is 1 out of 66 books. The New Testament has 5000 manuscript copies. Plato only has 9 original of what he wrote, so we're not sure Plato wrote Plato the probability is very low. The probability of 325 prophecies concerning Christs first coming are 10 to the 40000 power. The number goes way up exponentially because of the population narrow down to one person. Now those are facts. I'm a truth-seeker I just want to follow whats true. Sounds like you got some anger and let me just to show you that God can help out. Don't tell me you're one of those people that can trace your family tree all the way back to the Apes.... Because of sin you might be motivated..... Our sins convicted us and if we get out of sin we have a surance God also we have all the evidence on our side
Jim Merrilees no you don't know what you're talking about with the Quran nor the Bible but I'll help you out. You're just another politically correct bloke following the mainstream of whatever they believe without actually doing research. I can see you've been reading the Bible as if to look for loopholes not to believe it. Marriage in the Old Testament protects women so when a man rapes a woman he is supposed to marry her, nobody gets away with rape like they do now... without a consequence for the marriage. So someone having sex or raping a woman back then it was communally known that if you did that that you would have to marry her, if you go that far you're going to have to marry her, so we're not talking about rapist like Islam chapter 4 verse 24 chapter 24 verse 33 these verses condone rape in the Quran.... And there's more.. women are 2nd classes in the Koran, several verses I'll give it to you if you want them. The caveat for a slave dying under the beating of a master was very very rare. Oh by the way God is very serious about dealing with the peacenicks in judges 20 and 21, they were killed for not going to battle in a holy war against evil. Look it up. God is angry with the wicked every day Psalm 7 11. The Quran condones marrying a child chapter 65 verse 4, you can beat your wife harshly chapter 4 verse 34, you can rape your wife 2 verse 223. Allah is the greatest of all deceivers chapter 8 verse 60 chapter 3 verse 54. I guess you really didn't know who you were talking to I studied religion you haven't studied at all I can tell by this these three threads that you're just looking for loopholes so you can live your party lifestyle, and at the same time you'll accept Muslims as peaceful. What a joker!! The devil's played a trick on the whole world in the last days if they don't look at these books you are without excuse, Gods without excuse already because like I said before the Bible's perfect. The rapist that are in your country raping all the English women, have the two verses that I just mentioned to justify it. What does al Qaeda Isis and Hezbollah have in common? ......The Quran
Jim Merrilees the Arabs can trace part of their family back to Abraham, but the religion itself does not. Islam is from the nabataean Moon God. So it's not the same God at all. Crusaders can say they do things in the Name of Christ as if Christ sent them to do what they did. Anyone can do that. Cult leaders come and go all the time yet when they twist the Bible wrong ENough, violating the primary doctrines, they are considered a cult by mainstream Christianity. In the Dark Ages, Martin Luther was right when he started and then he got pretty violent at the end of his life. Well it was a very violent time to live. Roman Catholics burning people at the stake so other Protestant groups started burning each other at the stake. God can take into account, a time when someone lives and judge rightly. You are right the Bible this pretty harsh in the Old Testament, but the love of God is shown when he sent his son which balances out all the harshness by God himself making the only way to Salvation. Now when I say harshness I don't mean that it's wrong in what it says,. So I still agree with my original beliefs. But one thing is is that the Western world does not have to eak out a living like they used to back in the Dark Ages, Industrial Revolution & Bible ages. we don't go through the blood sweat and tears of just trying to put food on the table or just survive like they did. So it's easy to be all pompous and sit on the throne judging times in history as if it wasn't as harsh as it really was. That's kind of what you're doing with the Old Testament. Pain is pain is pain. And the only pain westerners feel sometimes is self inflicted, unrealistic from the 'worlds' of the past. We don't appreciate what God has given us. the food and the air that we breathe we take a lot of things for granted for that reason. So you have to believe there's a God because evolution is stupid. One more thing, the British museum itself has enough artifacts the prove the Bible's true. And that's not the only Museum but there's plenty to corroborate the Old Testament writings to be true. you haven't looked since you were 12 years old at any of this you just rejected it straight across the board. Complexities of DNA and molecular biology destroy Darwinism. Darwinism is going to die if other cult leaders would not still propagated it of course. Smithsonian'gate' will do that because of money. they can't reject what they've been telling people, so they continue to lie.
Almighty God is pure divine and rightous love. All this was done created free. Almighty didnt give freewill. HE created us free to learn HIS love from our imperfections to sin. The forgiveness of our sins was the proof of His Blessed Son sacrifise for our sins. Then it is up to us to adhere the soul to the spirit which is the truth. Our bodies and mind are carnel. Why Jesus left his spirit when he parted from this world. Why we must walk in the spirit n not in the flesh. As tough as it is God really examines the heart. God Bless.
God allows evil and good. He created evil just like he created good. He wants to know us through the choices that we make, so he has given us a wide spectrum to choose from. From extreme good to extreme evil. Individually, we reveal to God what we are on the inside. As the Bible states we are all made in the image of God. To be extremely good, we need to build a relationship with God and allow him to guide us to himself, which is the epitome of virtue. It is important to move toward God, as this is the purpose of our life, and only that and nothing more. We are here for approximately 80 years, however for eternity we must show where we belong. We show that with our very being. Our thoughts, our words, our intentions, our actions, all these are the choices we have. These choices reveal our truth, which is recorded. We will be judged according to our truth on judgement day. That is why its important to get saved and have our true evil washed in the blood of Christ and then follow him.
Evil is a concious act to purposefully do harm or an injustice to somthing knowing it is not necessary and wrong. It's to simplistic and wrong to say the father created evil. And God looked at everything that he had made and it was good.
@@Keynotes13Its a misconception that the father knows what you will do before you do it. Abraham and Isaac are a testament to hes not knowing all things.
God gave us a free will from the very beginning and in creating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil He created our freedom to choose and knowing that we would mess up He provided the way to deal with our sin and to provide us with our salvation from our sins
His comments were supurfluous. When he said that no one knows why God created the tree of knowledge, he should have left it at that and just offered his best guess.
I believe that the reason for all of this is so, The Lord God can get glory over evil, false gods and everything in this existence. One more thing, 6 years after this sermon, no archaeologists have not found Nefertiti's tomb at 10:13 as of today the 15th of September 2022.
Although I would still like to know why Satan was exiled toward Earth? And if Adam and Eve knew they would be choosing so much on behalf of their yet to be born descendants?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Romans actually answers that question in Chapter 5 Verse 12: "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, *because all sinned*..." In other words: everyone made that choice, in the sense of genetic memory.
@@TheAngryAmericanRenegade1776 And did all choose to sin, or did they become hereditarily/genetically inclined to, since before they were BORN? And sin BEGAN in heaven first - not in this world. So tell me the angelic version, of Romans 5, and Romans 1:20, too. Also, Genesis 3:22 confirms Adam and Eve DID become like the Elohim, and death was not mentioned, yet. And in not negating defunct little Leviticus 25:46 when the opportunity arose, perhaps others also sinned (as in missed the mark, or fell short...) Maybe they were not all human, either.
wow. You ppl are really buying into this sophistry? Think about it. 1. Infralapsarianism - In this view, God's foreknowledge of the fall is consistent with His decree to permit it, as it serves as part of His plan for the manifestation of His attributes, such as justice and mercy. So God intentionally wanted people to sin and go to hell and he intentionally killed many people to get what he wanted. 2. Supra-Lapsarianism - Supra-Lapsarianism is often associated with a more rigorous view of predestination, with God's decree to reprobate some individuals preceding His decree for the fall. 3. Sub-Lapsarianism - Sub-Lapsarianism emphasizes that God's decree to allow the fall is a response to human sin rather than a cause of it. God wanted humans to sin. Adam and Eve had no idea that eating the fruit was a bad thing because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to that. He pushes back the question. The existence of Satan was irrelevant to the question. Lucifer had fallen into sin. God didnt allow evil, he created evil (calamity). it was a calamity for Satan to disobey but God already knew that would happen. He created Lucifer with this intention in mind. he then draws Satan as being outside of God but the Bible teaches God is everywhere, there is nothing that exists outside of him. Christianity is false.
Good question! We need not start with the tree...why not question all of creation? Why create it at all if He knows it will fall into sin and corruption and death? Same answer: All things work towards God's perfect good. Another way to understand it, maybe even more difficult, or maybe much easier: Faith. Have faith in God. What is better on a human perspective? To live a life with no possibility to fall or a life with a possibility of falling, then to choose salvation? What is better from God's perspective (as if anyone could know) to create a family forced to love God or to create a family that chooses to love God? Shalom! Test all things! Pray and fast in love, truth, spirit and trembling fear before God on matters of salvation.
Please google and read through the book of Urantia for the above words ...THE PLANETARY ADAMS DURING the dispensation of a Planetary Prince, primitive man reaches the limit of natural evolutionary development, and this biologic attainment signals the System Sovereign to dispatch to such a world the second order of sonship, the biologic uplifters. These Sons, for there are two of them-the Material Son and Daughter-are usually known on a planet as Adam and Eve. The original Material Son of Satania is Adam, and those who go to the system worlds as biologic uplifters always carry the name of this first and original Son of their unique order. These Sons are the material gift of the Creator Son to the inhabited worlds. Together with the Planetary Prince, they remain on their planet of assignment throughout the evolutionary course of such a sphere. Such an adventure on a world having a Planetary Prince is not much of a hazard, but on an apostate planet, a realm without a spiritual ruler and deprived of interplanetary communication, such a mission is fraught with grave danger. Although you cannot hope to know all about the work of these Sons on all the worlds of Satania and other systems, other papers depict more fully the life and experiences of the interesting pair, Adam and Eve, who came from the corps of the biologic uplifters of Jerusem to upstep the Urantia races. While there was a miscarriage of the ideal plans for improving your native races, still, Adam’s mission was not in vain; Urantia has profited immeasurably from the gift of Adam and Eve, and among their fellows and in the councils on high their work is not reckoned as a total loss. 1. ORIGIN AND NATURE OF THE MATERIAL SONS OF GOD The material or sex Sons and Daughters are the offspring of the Creator Son; the Universe Mother Spirit does not participate in the production of these beings who are destined to function as physical uplifters on the evolutionary worlds. The material order of sonship is not uniform throughout the local universe. The Creator Son produces only one pair of these beings in each local system; these original pairs are diverse in nature, being attuned to the life pattern of their respective systems. This is a necessary provision since otherwise the reproductive potential of the Adams would be nonfunctional with that of the evolving mortal beings of the worlds of any one particular system. The Adam and Eve who came to Urantia were descended from the original Satania pair of Material Sons. Material Sons vary in height from eight to ten feet, and their bodies glow with the brilliance of radiant light of a violet hue. While material blood circulates through their material bodies, they are also surcharged with divine energy and saturated with celestial light. These Material Sons (the Adams) and Material Daughters (the Eves) are equal to each other, differing only in reproductive nature and in certain chemical endowments. They are equal but differential, male and female-hence complemental-and are designed to serve on almost all assignments in pairs. The Material Sons enjoy a dual nutrition; they are really dual in nature and constitution, partaking of materialized energy much as do the physical beings of the realm, while their immortal existence is fully maintained by the direct and automatic intake of certain sustaining cosmic energies. Should they fail on some mission of assignment or even consciously and deliberately rebel, this order of Sons becomes isolated, cut off from connection with the universe source of light and life. Thereupon they become practically material beings, destined to take the course of material life on the world of their assignment and compelled to look to the universe magistrates for adjudication. Material death will eventually terminate the planetary career of such an unfortunate and unwise Material Son or Daughter. An original or directly created Adam and Eve are immortal by inherent endowment just as are all other orders of local universe sonship, but a diminution of immortality potential characterizes their sons and daughters. This original couple cannot transmit unconditioned immortality to their procreated sons and daughters. Their progeny are dependent for continuing life on unbroken intellectual synchrony with the mind-gravity circuit of the Spirit. Since the inception of the system of Satania, thirteen Planetary Adams have been lost in rebellion and default and 681,204 in the subordinate positions of trust. Most of these defections occurred at the time of the Lucifer rebellion.
It always touches my heart in a weird way when I hear adults laughing at a child's question. Especially a child questioning the bible or their faith. That laughter is embarrassing to a child... It affects them in subtle ways that build up over time. In my spirit based life coaching program I find that almost every struggling adult that reaches out turned from God at a very young age because of the behaviors of the adults in their church making them feel mocked, unworthy, and that they never really felt comfortable asking questions so they came to a lot of childhood assumptions about the bible before having enough literary understanding to pick up on the nuances .... I'm just sharing because maybe there's some adults who laugh at things they think are cute, and if that's your knee jerk reaction please be sure to then encourage the child. Tell them they asked a great question, that maybe once you had that question too, if you dont know the answer be honest ask what they are thinking create a productive energy and make them feel heard and validated. A child's mind is precious and as adults we forget common sense is only common if youve all been taught the same thing . until you're taught... You question.
I don't think she was questioning her faith. Your making and assumption and treating as fact. If she felt mocked or unworthy, another assumption, those feeling are absolutely wrong but scripture says that those things are in the heart of a child. Unwarranted shame and naivity are things that are childlike and should be treated without judgment or ridicule and is perfectly innocent. These things are common sense. Kids say the funniest thing mostly because of their purity and instinctively know how to get right to the point. The nervously funny part is that an adult would struggle to frame this question and a child so easily and naturally gets it. You are correct that we need to encourage children and uplift while teaching them to grow and think. Her question cannot be fully known in this life.
I found the answer! Jesus said if you *really love* *me* obey my commandments One of the 10 Most important commandment: love your God with all your heart and all your strength We can't do that because it requires perfection which we are not disobedience is one of the things God hates the most It's like we are indirectly saying we don't love you. Disobedience=sin God wanted to test Adam and Eve love for him like he did with Abraham and Isaac but they failed we all would have eventually It is and always will be about obédience Without Jesus we can't really love God because only through him are we able to love God because he has been obedient for us thank God for him🙏🏾❤️🙌
Mostly, what they SAY is massacres, suffering, hypocrisy and violation of consent, as I recall. Also, are you familiar with the term schadenfreude? Neat little German word?
@@chrissonofpear1384 chris sonofpear1 Schadenfreuden taking pleasure is someone misfortune, right ? Honestly bro not too long à go I used to think that God is just evil and that he just doesn't care at all but now i don't believe that anymore. But remember the world is like this because we failed to love God and obey him. It's our own failure that cause destruction in this world in the first place and God has to work with what we do. God says he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, look at Jesus he cries for for people that don't want to come to him. Bad things happen to teach us a lesson for failing to love him God wants to bring the best out of us and he will do wathever it takes we humans never really grow up we may become smarter and wiser but we really never change only he can truly change us honestly bro try to have God on your side and obey his commandments and pray and see what happens in life God can even show you he is real keep asking/praying and you will see If God punishes you don't let your pride overtake you because don't forget pride was the first sin ever committed by the devil
t'challa Jordan amen for we are the children , and like having children we could understand God more in a way. Children need their parents to live when they’re nothing but children and depend on their parents, so they must be obedient for nothing bad to happen for parents have more experience . As for God he is eternal , and all loving.
No varanid9, he's not trying to entrap you. His purpose is to make you into something worth keeping (we don't want to be something not worth keeping) ... and in doing that testing is involved. You were made for a purpose (you're not here by mistake). But it is true, this life is a time of testing for us all. That's how we learn. Even Jesus learned via testing (Hebrews 5:8) - "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" ... so we too will learn the things we need to learn ... and the same way (Hebrews 12:5-7) - "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"
So, when we fail (As "God" already knows) our torturous existence continues ? So, after about 70 years in physical form where we are continuously abused from birth to death, then the torture continues in the afterlife. I refuse to serve this compassionateless son of a bitch, that's what this entity is if he even exists
@@roypeer3725 yes, serve this truly loveless entity if he even exists. Torture/abuse from cradle to grave, then the torture continues on in the afterlife. I refuse to serve this son of a bitch. Don't follow your script, it's all Satan's fault. It's ALL this supposed God's fault, get your head out of your ass. You are truly lost, not because of a fractured "relationship" with your phony God but because you are truly blind, hear me !!!
In my mind or heart (or how I interpret why Elohim created of the trees of good and evil) is because as the minister I listen too put it "this is an interview," we are interviewing to live among Jesus, to live and walk with God. Elohim gives us the free will of our flesh, He knows our struggle and in my opinion does not want to force you to love Him. It is a personal relationship and a personal choice. He wants your willing praise not reluctant submission. That is why He allows evil imo, He wants to weed out His harvest. I don't know everything in the bible I can't lie about that. I do know I have always felt His presence & I constantly talk to Him even if I think He isn't listening, & He has proved to always be there.
Good is when you do something good like achieving your goals every day and sticking to it and evil mean when you are bad and dont wanna listen to yourself you just wanna be evil and even if you achieve your goal every day to be a good parent or worker or good just being yourself evil can still drop in on you you just have to force your self not to do the evil and to just do the good evil would tantrum you and try and full you by giving yourself a new timing in life and a new future now that evil evil plays with your mind and try's to give you a new setting in your life and good is that you'll always be who you are and always do want you gotta do is just be you and now that's being good even though evil can still drop on you just stay good and dont let the evil manifest your life your take your mind over
I formed the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7. It's God's creation he does what he pleases. It's simple God is sovereign over all.
Adam and eve had the same as we do to day. God has always wanted man to live by faith and not by the letter of the law. In Genesis we see where the serpent told Eve that she surely wouldn't die that God know that the day she ate of the fruit of the tree her eyes would be open and she would be as gods knowing good and evil. And we also see where God said: "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" The tree she ate the fruit from was called "The knowledge of good and evil" This is God's law or the laws of the Gods. God never intended for man to live under the bondage of that law. That is why Jesus had to come down and finish the law and set it back to the way God has always wanted it to be and that is us living by faith and not by the letter of the law, but Satan tricked them into partaking of that law and the curse of the law is you was cursed if you partook of that way and didn't finish it. Jesus was the only one to finish that law. The wages of sin is death so when Jesus finished the law he didn't have to die for his own sins cause he didn't sin so he gave that perfect spotless life as a ransom to save us from sin. or the law because that is what sin is breaking of the law. We must live by faith and not the letter of the law if we are going to be saved from sin "breaking of the law" It is the ones who learn to live by faith that will be saved. The other's will die in their sin
@Sophia Terry Thanks this came to me one night and I couldn't sleep until I figured out what was being delivered to me. I really believe God delivered this to me. I use to think what kind of God would create something so terrible so Man could partake of it and it lead to death. After this was delivered to me I look at God in a totally different light. See Satan didn't lie cause what he said was the truth, but he failed to say why God didn't want them to partake of that tree. It was never meant for flesh man to partake of that law cause the flesh is weak but the spirit is strong.
@texas coot God can be all knowing and not want something to happen but knows it will happen. Just as it is written in Genesis Chapter 6 where it say's; "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." He knew it was going to happen but still it grieved him and made him regret that he had made man on the earth. Just because God knows something will happen he gives us free will to choose between good and evil and partaking of a law that leads to death instead of life.
@@suoppsdn9751 hello Steve, I was wondering why God didn’t just bless people with the knowledge of good and evil to start with. That would have been rather easily accomplished and Adam and Eve would not have had to make the choice of having knowledge. I mean it was the tree of knowledge right? Is that why we as a whole are constantly now seeking knowledge through scientific processes? Is that a throw down to us that we got from Adam and Eve from their decision to eat the fruit? And why prey tell, would God not want to have humans with out knowledge in the first place. Suppose Adam and Eve had never eaten the fruit of the tree? Would we all be , well less knowledgeable than we are now as humans? Would we be dunces or idiots, or was it just the difference between good and evil that he did not want us to know about? I don’t understand the reasoning… Can you help?
@@mrx1278 It was God's law or the law of the God's. It lead to death not life. Even if they had not eaten of the tree they would have still died because flesh dies. You ask why God didn't share it with them. Why did he not want them to partake of it? It's because it leads to death not only a death of life but also a spiritual death. But if they wouldn't have ate it they would still had died but through faith they would live again. But also we read where God said; The man has become like one of us knowing Good and evil. Then he says; Lest he put his hand forth and also take of the tree of life and eat and live forever. One road leads to eternity and the other leads towards death. You ask why didn't he just share it? Because it leads to death. He told them in the day that you eat you will surely die. He wanted them to live with the hope of living again not this death that there is no hope through that knowledge. He wanted them to live with the knowledge of faith the kind of faith that leads to life. That faith that says I will live again. Even through the sacrifices of animals for forgiveness was through faith and also the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf we have to except with faith.
Praying you will leave mormonism Matt & worship the one True Living God & that you will read & study only the Holy Bible ... a proper translation like the KJV. May God bless you.
Because our Father IS (drumroll) Righteous. He knows everything. So do you seek our Father or do you side with man? Remember your soul counts on the right decision. Mind doesn't cause I accept his only begotten Jesus Christ. Christ lives in me.
Something about setting up a plan of future redemption, whilst also ensuring humans acquired free will along the way, I seem to gather. That was so love could be 'freely returned'.
Isaac Muniz short answer. it was for the fallen angels who wanted to repent a tree for them that was evil to good. that is why God made Earth in the void, where he cast the rebellious angels. You should know your God. A God of forgiveness and mercy.
Da Phetdala ... That's an interesting statement ... but remember, he's the source of everything ... he's even the source of you. Are you including yourself in that set of all that is misery and evil? Because whatever set you see yourself as being part of ... he's the source of that too.
There is no answer because the question is flawed. Would you ask your anaphylactic son if he would like a peanut? You know what the result would be, so you don't. Unlike god of the old testament, he knows Adam will eat from the tree, but he creates it anyway. He knows Abraham won't kill his son, but he tests him anyway. Just more illogical ridiculousness that is becoming less convincing to more people by the day...
Dear lord Keep us from making any sin! Lord we rebuke Lucifer his demons witches Jezebels out now from your children open there hearts to hear see understand the truth now in your Almighty powerful name Jesus Christ our lord and Savior hallelujah hallelujah Amen. Thank you for this teaching today I understand Thank you 🙏
They laugh at her question and yet none of them would be able to answer it. This child is honest. I wonder if she would know the answer better than us because she hasn't fully been indoctrinated by the world yet.
Yeah it was sad when they laughed
That's sad that the adults laughed at her when they dont have a clue.
They laughed at her question because it was such an honest question from a child. They were not laughing at her or her question, but at the juxtaposition of such an insightful question coming from the mind of a child.
@@fuzzycounsellor9147 thank you for explaining
@@fuzzycounsellor9147 I think he could have been clearer in his response because the answer to her question is rooted and has more to do with free will ! There was no guarantee that man would fall but GOD was prepared in case man did.. Bottom line God did not want to populate the universe with automatons or puppets, - GOD wanted free will volitional beings.. what gives our love, worship and devotion to GOD validity is that we do it of our own free will.. If we were forced to Worship GOD it would be empty and meaningless.. Like a woman that's in a relationship with a man only for his money..So GOD allowed free will through the tree of good and evil to determine who would serve/worship him in spirit and truth !
“ If God doesn’t hold us, evil is found in us” This blew my mind.
Shayanne Smith , I'm sorry but, that's poppycock. The most evil people I' ve met, were religious fanatics. And that's the plain TRUTH. They are often known as HYPOCRITE'S. LOOK AT WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN SIR LANKA.
Most likely, RELIGIOUS FANATICS.
Religious fanatics have killed, multi millions, perhaps billions, through out history. AND THEIR NOT FINISHED YET!!!
kaleb Gonzales, those people are worshipping demons, the word god is an acronym of the word,
gadre'el, a extraterrestrial demon. Like JEW is a acronym of JUDAH, which is "one" of thirteen tribes. Notice there is no "e" or "w" in judah. You are following a religion, that you have not thoroughly studied. You don't know who the so called hebrews descended from, and what they worshipped. I'll give you a clue, they descended from Amorites & Hitites, who
worshipped Sumerian extraterrestrial gods. Yahway is also a sumerian god, originally a serpent god, and his wife is Asherah. ( Numbers 21:9 Moses makes an IDOL of a serpent on a pole).The whole world has been duped. They are too lazy to do any real research. They just believe what they are told. In Egypt the serpent is called Apep (the epitome of evil), which would have been known to Moses, who went to egyptian mystery school. The pole is the ROD of Anu, (they were drilling & mining for gold) (the pole is the huge drill, the grooves of the drill bit wraps around like a snake). Anu the ruler of all sumerian extraterrestrial gods. These extraterrestrial gods are the founders of ancient Sumer & Egypt & ancient India, the Indus valley civilization. The snake on the pole has changed names, it is also known as Zu or Ningizzida, and later also as the Rod of Asclepius.
If you want to know what really happened you must go back to the beginning, not the middle or the end. You have to research the oldest civilizations, and what they worshipped, or you will be duped.
kaleb Gonzales, do you think most people know, that when you translate baal to english, it means Lord.
ANTAR AKA KAYANO FACT nothing is the Bible talks about RELIGION. RELIGION was created by MAN KIND- GOD CREATED and loves RELATIONSHIP with HIM. Go back and read your Bible.
Shayanne Smith, your wrong, the book of Revelations, talks about the Empire of false "Religions". It's better to think "before" you speak.
If you don't, the EFFECT usually, won't be good. lol
Before you give a book review, FIRST, read the book! lol
It was not the tree of, "Good and evil," it was the, "The tree of the knowledge of good and evil." It was not a tree covered in fruit some good and some evil, like good fruit and rotten fruit. As Eve said, "It was a tree of fruit to make one wise." It was a tree of knowledge, not seeking God's ways but her own. If was a tree of self-satisfaction and self-realization; God was left out.
I took magic mushrooms and realised i was a god. In the bible if you take it it said you will be like one of us. There is something to magic mushrooms being the tree of knowledge
Eve is the hero
Anybody will love God if he makes him
So we will go to the lower world and prove it
Exactly what God wanted
Eve did what God wanted Adam did not” but when you do”he said
You haven't answered the question.
@@bjameskalema Which is?
@@Wildcat5181 Eve said it’s a fruit that makes one wise? Chapter verse?
"Bore you for so long"
Personally, I'd like to hear more!
I think we all would
cause there might be a men that can change his ways
Exactly, I’d like to hear more on this subject.
Men can change there's ways and there's alot to it you just have to believe in yourself that you can do it and not put your thoughts down the way men could change from bad to good is to get better at it even though things might be heard
To have real love. We have to choose to love God. Not be forced to love him. Which is called free will. That is truly a God of love!
Except that compulsory love is right there in the Bible, touted as God's greatest commandment. Thou SHALT love God. That's what "commandment" means. You're ordered to do it. "Command" is part of the word. Do you ever command your spouse or children to love you? You'll probably want to argue that we can still choose not to, but the Bible has that covered as well: suffer in torment for eternity if that is your decision. That's free will only in the most narrow and legalistic sense; a five-year-old can see the injustice and lack of freedom in "do this or else".
Well first of all hell is not a place. It’s the grave. Hell fire is the lake of fire. Which was meant for satan and his angels. But after man fell it was also meant for those choose to follow him. God is holy and good but sin is so far from who God is. So it separated us from him. So if you choose to love God. Then love him with all thy heart and soul. But we have to first choose him. If God was not love he would have and could have destroyed satan the angels who rebelled with him and all mankind along time ago. God bless you!
@@michaeldiaz754
So you believe hell is not eternal torment but simply the end of existence? That's somewhat better I suppose, but you've still got God COMMANDING us to love him, or else our existence will be ended, which is much the same as you or I threatening to kill another human being if they don't do what we want. Regardless of the consequences, you still avoided giving any explanation of why ordering someone to love you should be considered admirable at all.
@ Scott You have to remember the dilemma lucifer put on God. He wanted to be like God. And he wanted to be worshipped like him. Which if you are the created being you are not deserving of being worshipped like the creator. It would be like a you wanting to be honored in your family as a parent. But your parents are the true people who deserve to be honored as bringing you and others in the family into existence. Lucifer had been given beauty and wisdom. And he squandered it away for sin. And sin is the transgression of Gods law. For without the law there would be no sin. So the law has always existed in Gods creation. Satan is what Lucifer is called now. Because it means the adversary. Not just to God but all his creation and his law. Now again I say the law is only for those who chose to follow him. So you have free will to do as you want. But God in his word tells us that sin will destroy you. So yes there is only two choices. But choosing God offers eternal life. The other does not. And God has to put an end to sin. For all the people who choose him. Because he is Just.
Garbage. Did Eve KNOW if she could HAVE children, and that her choice would affect them?
Did she make it so people born later would be UNABLE to see God, OR the disguised fallen angels? Yes or no?
20 trillion years from now we will still look upon him whom we have pierced and seeing those scars we will marvel at His unspeakable love for us ! He has chosen us to be His eternal companion , if I can only add my voice to that heavenly chorus “worthy is the Lamb “ it will be enough !!
Clark C., Amen
@ Clark Crowley, you seem to have the same prophetic powers as the ancients. Pure bull crap, which is overpowering smelly rubbish...
@@all4jesus594 Amen
Amen
It's quite simple, you can't choose to love God if you don't have an alternative choice.
That's the answer to the question.." where and why did satan fall " where did he get sin from
Marks Movies brill explanation simple
Word , Free will . He loves those who come to him by choice/humility and not by force !
Tired of it all MrMartial89? Well that's your choice
Blametheidiot Clintons I think you’re misunderstanding the question. “Why would God allow people to have a free choice” is different than asking, if god knew humanity would fall, why give them a stumbling block?” Or “wasn’t God creative enough to imagine a version of the world populated only by those who would resist temptation “? That’s much different than withholding free will.
I think the laughing was more in response to the magnitude of such a great question coming from a child. I do not think it was laughter "at" her or at least that is how I took it.
Exactly, Its interesting how some perceive most things negatively. Wow.
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Exactly
And this dweeb could barely address it, I suspect - not without preposterously conflating the choices of TWO people unaware of good, evil or the wider stakes, with those born after, with no real choice, who begin with a stacked deck in favour of rebel angels?
I think it was more of them thinking something was cute so they laughed. Or maybe they slipped or droped something when starting to ask the question.
Sometimes I have questions but this scripture comes to mind... Proverbs3:5. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Allan Massan but....... How do you know it's GOD you're trusting. That scripture means to know that you can always improve no matter how much you know because GOD knows everything. So don't ever think you're completely right because you never will be only GOD.
So don't trust in your own abilities. Your abilities can always improve no matter how great you become.
Allan Massan
"Sometimes I have questions but this scripture comes to mind... Proverbs3:5. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. "
Basically you are saying "Disengage your brain, stop thinking and stop questioning things"
Allan Massan "Here is free will, but you better do exactly as I say without question." I fail to see why people think God doesn't want mindless servants. Where in the Bible does God say that He wants freethinkers?
Allan Massan truth have to remind myself we as mankind always mess up God always gets it right
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*Sofie, I love your question!!* One of the best I've heard, and I'm a grown-up :) Thank you for asking it. Because of you, we can all learn something new and amazing about God, our heavenly Papa! ♥ Thank you Dr Barnett for such a detailed but clear explanation. Great question + Amazing revelation!!
Pip Yes, our heavenly Papa is watching us die of cancers...dementia...alzheimer...Ictus.....heart failures....kidney failures.....and He does not give a SHIT about it !
@@ateoforever7434 maybe it's because the most high doesn't love everyone. No scripture says that he loves everyone. Blame these disgusting and corrupt humans for that shit. He protects whom he wills and punishes whom he wills
@@keihlonzoterrell4269 yeah a real gentleman that god of yours.
You will never learn anything amazing about God, just someones' interpretation of that concept. When there is no god, there is no enlightenment about it.
@@mrx1278 why should the most high love everyone?? You don't love everyone your damn self and I'm sure you don't help every single individual in the world either.
"Without God you can do nothing." "With God all things are possible."
Are you saying that no country can be ruled or exist without your god? Are you saying that unless you are christian I cannot go to school, or ride a bicycle, or form an opinion? Are you saying that if I am an atheist, have no belief in your god, that I cannot breathe, or have sex, or pet my dog... You say nothing, what the heck do you mean by cherry picking THAT particular sentence?
@@mrx1278 so why are u on this video? This video isn't for you. Carry on and look at something for atheist. Another thing, how can you say you dont believe IN God?? You should say I dont believe IN A God. You atheists condradict yourselves. Be clear so we can know where you stand.
Loving Christ Yahshua is the Way of Love.
Love this verse, and the context it's used. Just went through this last night in my studies.
Butter Gurls
he has a right to watch a video... you can study fiction without believing it lol. little to nobody believes in Harry Potter but people still read books/watch movies.
Those who are laughing, what are they thinking? That's a bigger mystery.
It's a conditioned reflex, when a rational question crashes into their indoctrination, shattering the dogma of fantasy based mythology and religious rituals. A believer follows, but a disciple questions. Because once you make the choice to become a disciple, there is no going back...
Thoes people won't be going to hell. But you WILL if you don't Repent
I think they laughed because a little girl asked a really good question then they also laughed because of the big words he was writing they thought he was writing gibberish because they never heard of the words.
I thought the same thing, i was wowed by the great question the child asked..good for that child!
Sometimes you can laugh in good will. Not all laugh is intended to belittle
He sets before us good and evil friends... Now it's up to us to decide which we choose... He didn't choose it for us.
It appears that He wants willing "Friends/servants/children". He says He'll make things right in the end... but for now... Choose!
James Allen jr. " but for now...Choose ! "......yep...god said, if you don't follow me...i'll torture you ! if you do....i will not. do i have to choose ? not much of a choice ......threats are not my favorite thing....
There is no choice if God can percieve the future. For if it is unbreakable predetermined, you never had a choice to begin with
@@TDBanimefan So, god is a computer.....he still has to judge those who lived in the past, maybe 30 billions..? plus 8 billions living now....and he remembers every single swear word and sin committed by each and one of us....REALLY ??? what a lot of BS !!!
@@ateoforever7434 What are you talking about? I never mentioned anything about a computer and I can not even tell if your for against the idea of a god.
Why did Numbers 11:19 and Exodus 21:20 look EVIL then?
I agree, free will, GOD only wants those who love him. It may seem narrow to people but who do you want in your house? Everything is GOD's house. GOD has emotion, read about it in the bible. HE WANT YOUR LOVE! I give the Lord my love, I pray you do too. Amen!
calledoutones777 You seem to have understanding of scriptures. Please explain this to me. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 an Revelations 17:8 explain the coming of the antichrist. Are the scriptures saying that he is already here or has he not taken a physical form yet? A pastor uploaded a vid explaining how the antichrist will counterfeit the resurrection of Christ and perform miracles which will lead everyone to accept him as Messiah. I don't want to misunderstand.
Yay!!! Samuel 15:3...God commands the killing of infants. He does this several times in the Bible. How do you think God wants babies killed? Smash their tiny skulls in? Drowning them? Snapping their tiny necks???? What’s the biblical way to kill a baby?
But I don't yet see sufficient reason to TRUST - let alone LOVE.
I have a favor to ask my brothers and sisters in Christ: Please pray that my mom, dad, and brother would receive the love of the truth. Thank you!
Praying for your loved ones!
Praying that they dont fall into your cult and you see it for what it is. One big lie!
Praying for you and your family! God is going to take your from strength to strength and from glory to glory
God put in my mind this answer for why the tree snd evil. God and Jesus created us for a family. And our life is a chance to show that we want to be part of his family. So the evil is a test. Choose to live either way that is your way. Thank you foot your teaching Brother John.
Wow blows your mind, you have to love God so much every time I hear something new or told in a different way, God to me is so very beautiful.
loved him as a tiny tot crying on my own at school being bullied, i prayed for it to stop, how did i know how to pray who knows none of my family are believers but God did comfort me and I sang to him from age 4 to 8, slowly forgot to pray and then in 2011 had a massive encounter with our creator but that is another beautiful story.
I would love to see what the garden of eden looked like.
Praise God glorious, amazing, beautiful HEAVENLY FATHER I adore you xxxxxxx
That is a beautiful thing🤗 a great testimony!
Trails cannot shake true faith , but instead grow the seed of salvation 🤍
it was laughter that your not supposed to question the bible. hasn't this young girl learned that yet. because the only way the bible works is if you remain ignorant
he couldn't even answer the question
It’s “the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.” Gen 2:9
Thank you little girl for asking that question
Years ago the Holy Spirit asked me a question, but I don't remember any of the circumstances leading to it:
"Can God grow?"
My reply: NO! God is all in all!
(End of discussion. In my case, the Holy Spirit does not "discuss" anything with me).
Sometime later, I was talking to a co-worker who had five kids, and I kept thinking of all the problems just one teenager caused so I asked him:
Five kids? What do you do with five kids!?
He looked thoughtfully at me and said: You love them.
I didn't reply to him but I thought: What kind of answer is that? What is that supposed to mean?
Months later I asked the Holy Spirit what my co-worker's response was supposed to mean.
I said: Well, of course you love your kids, but that's not what I asked him. What was his point? I mean, FIVE kids! How can you be a good parent with five kids? They'll suffer. You can't dedicate enough time to five! You have to split your love and they only get one-fifth of your love.
The Holy Spirit quickened me with:
*Love is not divided; It's multiplied.*
My reply:
What? Huh?
(End of the Holy Spirit's reply to me).
So like a humble and devoted Christian, I countered with:
No! You have one child, you love 100%, you have two, each gets 50%, etc.
What do You mean:
"Love is not divided? Love is multiplied." ?
It's as if You're saying that if you have one child, you love 100% , and two would mean your love jumps to 200%, and..... wait, ...
but if that's true, then what is the limit of how much love fits in a parent's heart???....
It's limitless!
Immediately the Holy Spirit quickened me the same question from months prior:
*Can God grow?*
Oh!!!!!!!
YES! *BY HAVING CHILDREN!*
Perhaps this is one reason God allows free will:
*We* choose to become His children.
*His love grows.*
God is love.
On a different occasion, the Holy Spirit taught me that satan strives for power through might and wisdom,
but God is ALMIGHTY because of His heart, *HIS LOVE* .
It's love that gives power, so Satan can never become "like God".
Maranatha!!!
Thank you so much for sharing that beautiful
The holy spirit asked you a question cause you are you good and that your loved by god god wants to take you with him cause you are people you are some body that can ask questions and give answers
Thank you, sister. That was a very special precious thing to share from your heart. It touched me, and helped me see how love grows, its not divided. God bless you!
@Lord Zeus our God of Truth Storms War has returned you need some SERIOUS DELIVERENCE. You are right that the devil has influence over powerful people and companies that sell their souls to him in exchange for what their flesh desires most, but the other thing about Eve and Adam is going off the deep end of Gnosticism. Iesus is a TRANSLITERATION of the Greek and Jesus is YAHWEH SAVES (YEHSHUA) in the flesh. Zeus is going to fry in the lake of fire.
Casting down EVERY vain imagination that exalts itself above the knowledge of God and bringing it into COMPLETE SUBMISSION under Lord Jesus Christ (emphasis mine).
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that JESUS IS LORD to the glory of God.
@Lord Zeus our God of Truth Storms War has returned
*In the Name above every name,*
*and by the power in the Name of*
*Jesus Christ,*
*I rebuke every curse out of your mouth and* *make them null and void out of every part* *of my life.*
*Amen!*
*Amen!*
*Amen!*
This is Very Good Teaching! Have known this for over 40 years. Great to hear one with authority teach truth!! Everything is All about "CHOICE"! We are given the "Choice" to choose Good or Evil!
Proverbs 8:17. "I Love them that Love me..... Loving God is a Choice & a Way of Life! Regardless though of how much knowledge we have, or gifts, or talents, if we Don't have Love toward others, we are nothing.
Corinthians 13
Matthew 22:37-40
Greatest two Commandments
Amen!
Choice is one thing, but our choices are definitely not free.
God had to give man free will to choose to obey Him or not. Genuine love and worship has to be freely given. If God created us to be without the freedom to choose then there wouldn't be any point of life.
Of course God knew man would sin because only God is truly good. God planned to send His Son Jesus Christ to die as a sacrifice for man's sin even BEFORE He created the world and man. God is all knowing and wise, therefore we never have to worry about what God is doing because He loves us so much that He would even come down to earth and dwell amongst us and give His life, shed His precious blood for our sins. Only the blood of Holy God can cleanse us of all sin. That is why Jesus Christ is the only way, truth and life that leads to God the Father.
Amen!!!!
George M YOUR WERE CORRECT ABOUT MOST THE THINGS U SAID BUT WHEN U SAID LOVES US SO MUCH U MAKE IT PRESENT TENSE .... SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SAY GOD SO LOVED WITH A PAST TENSE ENDING HE DOESN'T EVEN NOW LOVE EVERYONE
Matthew 5:22 KJV - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
George M how does free will exist. If everything is part of gods plan and already planned out ? By that logic. God knows who will kill people. Tape, molest, etc etc. And allows it to happen. Cause part of his plan for those people.
Martin Vargas
Foreknowledge is not everything planned out, although it allows planning that takes into account what various ones are going to do. Foreknowledge is knowing; it is not making the future happen.
The manager of KMart sat in an office raised above the store, behind 2-way mirrors. He could see all over the store; perhaps not everything, but enough of each aisle to see when something was going on. He sees a shoplifter on Aisle 6. He watches him, and when it is confirmed that the man stuffed an item in his clothes, he gets on the phone or intercom and gets the lady at the Service Desk to walk outside, telling her who to look for, and he gets the store detective to move in behind the man to follow him out of the store. As the man moves into the main aisle to the door, his eyes follow every step. He has orchestrated the arrest of the shoplifter, with no more than seeing what is happening down there. Without leaving his office, he has gotten the man stopped by store employees, and the police are on their way.
God does not have to make _everything_ happen, to make those things He has declared He is going to make happen, happen. Yes, He made creation happen. He has declared that He has predestined certain things, but none if that requires that He make sin and the fall happen. In fact, He would be misleading the world to say that He tempts no one, if He predestined sin to happen, then held man accountable for what he could in no way not do.
"God" as we choose to call Him.... can see the infinite realities of every choice. But He is LOVE. And He is righteousness. So he is 100% always seeking and awaiting the reality where the RIGHT choice is made. He is never awaiting the evil choice. Evil, though always a possibility, is not a place He conducts business. Its is as foreign to Him as East is to West.
On the online programming by Dr. John Samuel Barnet's teaching;why does God allow evil. This is very profound...worthy of looking into. God bless your ministry, Dr. Barnett.
What a wonderfull fact, that our lord Jesus told us he will never leave us in eternity. Which means He holds us forever. Thank you for answer Sofies question!
this is why Jesus said you must become as little children, ask questions openly and from a pure heart
I'm 34 and I just searched this question now because I have no clue
Are you a Christian
What is he talking about ?He is not coming close to answering the question about the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil ! Is it because he doesn't know?
I wonder if the little girl understood his "answer"? I was shocked he acknowledged Eve was tempted. Pastors today are afraid to offend.
Yes she was seduced
I agree that many today get offended by the truth of God's word but why would Eve being tempted be offensive?
Usually the statements that offend people are like...
"God created everything, even the wicked for the day of trouble." (Proverbs (16:4)
or
"God hates all who commit evil."
(Psalm 5:5,11)
or
"God doesn't elect someone based on the will of the person or based on a righteous act done by the person. God's election is not conditional but it is unconditional."
(Romans 9:11,16)
That’s what I like about him. He doesn’t mince words or try to be politically correct.
The comments show the pride of our people.
Be in fear and awe of Him.
Thank You God for allowing me to comprehend the little of you I do.
@@sayteregadin5686
Why do we resist?
As a human this question is so obviously answered.
Focus on God and everything will come into light.
@starchildstrider
Hello
I dont remember this video and busy going out for the day.
The word fear is manipulated by our society. In our purest form pride does not exist and the fear of the Lord is much more appreciated. Iam not sure why it is hard to have fear, reverence, for the creator of all.
@starchildstrider
I dont think you are the only one. It is hard, we are not taught the amazing effect of fear. Have you thought that he is more concerned with us than we realize.
no. Fear is the mind killer. Know Jesus, no fear. The Creator made people to be real thinking feeling free will creatures... and they were doing very well, but still a little slow. So god had Lucifer help Eve understand she had the ability to think and make choices for herself.
Once Eve understood this, she explained it to Adam. Then they both enjoyed the Tree of Knowledge, free will and thinking.
God released them from Eden Labs and they populated all the Earth. Through Knowledge, we also have the Tree of Life.
We have these abilities now, thanks be to God, and his servant, Lucifer.
Lucifer sinned not because God withdrew His protective power or control. God created His created beings with free choice. If God had always kept the angels, including Lucifer, to be perfectly obedient, then He created only robots. Sin happened because Lucifer, and subsequently mankind (including Hezekiah), exercised free choice not to obey God. The perfection in the created beings includes this free choice, and we exercise this free choice as perfect creations. If we had been created and controlled like puppets, then we are not perfect. God wants us to love and obey Him freely, not by force.
Samiaji Judistira The Bible never once calls humankind perfect. The very reason Jesus is at the center of Christianity is because not a single human being besides him is supposed to have been perfect.
Everything that God created was and is perfect. Mankind was perfect when they were first created. But the creation was corrupted by Sin, and nothing in this world is perfect anymore. And this what the Bible says about Lucifer, in
Ezekiel 28:
11 The word of the Lord came to me:
12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Genesis 1: 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. (the image of God is perfect)
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.
Are we going to say that "all that He had made was very good, but not perfect?"
Samiaji Judistira where in the whole bible did God give man free will. Free will never existed we have the illusion of free will. Real free will is to do what ever the fuck you want to do and not suffer the consequences. We have will power but not free will
Hence do anything free willingly with no punishment after the said action
Day Knight no
God wanted to give man a choice. He did not want robots
Doris l.matthews Matthews PRECISELY!!!👏👏
Its logic like build a computer that only do what you do and only act when someone push buttons....build a i robot (for exemple) and it learns to think for themself...curiousity will come with time and then good and bad things can happen.....
Joey Kuijs why do people not see the act of sex for what it is? You shall not surely die from sex, but if you have sex you shall bear children. Why must men always take scripture out of context? The one eyed serpent in the garden is in your pants.
Sir William Douglas Neff that was not my point thats the point off the forbidden fruit. But you are correct about that.... my point is if you build/make even create intellegents it will have its own mind and eventually make choices.... but dont mind my english 😂its not 100% correct
Joey Kuijs what you are speaking of is the last step before the Abomination that causes Desolation as it is written in the clouds of the Milky Way, an unlawful joining of man and machine whereby the artificial intelligence controls the man. It causes desolation of the spirit.
Life only lasts so long, we were all put on this earth for a reason which is to complete the life set out the good lord has prepared for us. Along the way it is our duty to find him through faith and to accept Jesus as our savior. After all, Jesus lived a perfect life free of sin and then died on the cross for us so humans could be forgiven of sin. Have faith, pray and have conversations with god cause he just wants to be in your life it means a lot to him for you to love him back, after all, he created you. He loves you and knows you better then you know yourself. Confess your sins to god, take responsibility for them, serve god and do good deeds. Don’t be selfish, don’t have a ego or let pride get to you, don’t let things consume you, you control your body, it doesn’t control you. Try to break away from the habits. Tell god you love him and you care. Talk to god because he loves you.
Vince J yes yes yes I agree
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A good visual on the fall of Lucifer and the decription of how God always holds all that is good. Once let on our own, the imperfection shows
The tree is "the knowledge" of good and evil. Like God was saying, you aren't just alive but a concious being. As such, there is this bit of wisdom over here to deal with but I am here to help you through.
Once the great controvesy is settled, and heaven, or the garden, is restored, He provides the Tree of Life which we will eat many types of fruit from freely. Creation healed and His charactor preserved. Amen.
At this point, Satan was already a sinner and a deceiver. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents Satan. The tree of life represents Jesus. When Adam and Eve chose to partake of the fruit of the first tree, they essentially chose to participate in Satan's disobedience. That is why Satan has power in this world. We opened the door for him to enter and take over.
The book of Revelations says that in paradise there will be a tree of life. The only way we can eat from it is to believe in Jesus and participate in his Holiness.
Chris Serna Just Perfect.
So you repurposed the meaning of Genesis all by yourself did ya?
Chris Serna hit the nail right on the head
Chris Serna that's deep. Literally Yah was in one ear, and ha' Shatan in the other..
'choose this day, life or death' just like he did in Deuteronomy 30:15-18 (KJV)
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land,......
or Job 1:8-12 But what is really deep is that Yah SENT ha'Shatan with conditions.
He was not being disobedient. Yahoshua also cast out demons at will Yah hardened Pharoahs heart so Pharoah wouldn't let the Israelites go. Yah is ALWAYS in control of them. He sends ha'Shatan out to TEST man.
Chris Serna I did open the door ( i didn't know who he was )....he hasn't left my house yet, but he pays to have him, he cooks dinners, vacuum the floor...he refuses to go shopping, ( does not want to be recognised )....the only bad thing...he farts a lot, (solphur smell)....
God did not back away, satan left God! God is only able to “keep” us if we let Him.
Actually we enter into a binding covenant with him the day we receive him as our Lord and Savior. It’s eternally binding. All covenants are. Also we are sealed till the day of redemption with a seal only the lamb can open because it is his. You cannot remove yourself from God’s hand. Satan didn’t leave, he was cast out as a punishment. Angels aren’t given the grace we are. That is Christ’s covenant with us. The Bible says let your yeas be yeas and your nays, nays. Swear not upon anything of the heavens or the earth. Promises, covenants, vows are binding. It’s your choice to choose Christ or deny him but once you do he is obligated to uphold his promise. The wrath of God cannot abide upon you but be not deceived, God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man Soweth that also shall he reap. He may not send us to hell but we will give account for what we do and we will reap our reward good or evil.
@Truth Seeker there is no way I can address all the errs in your thinking on this platform Hun but it is clear you are not a Christian nor are you using a King James 1611 Bible. I have been saved in the Lord for 28yrs. I am a pastor’s daughter and was a missionary for 20yrs. I was a pastor’s wife for 18yrs. I see such a hodgepodge of doctrines in your beliefs that it’s like detangling a matted mess. First off, grace is not the same as repentance. Repentance is a heart felt sorrow for our actions and a turning away from our sins because of that sorrow and acknowledgment that we have sinned against God. Because of that and our calling out for God to save save us from that sin and to be our Lord and Savior we enter into a covenant with him through faith. For this he gives us grace. Grace is when we received something of the lord we do not deserve. Like when Christ provides the payment for our sins by shedding his innocent blood and dying in our stead. This is also mercy because we do not bear the punishment for our sins because he takes that punishment for us. We become a new creature. We are washed in his blood and receive his righteousness. Notice we don’t have righteousness of our own because we are not sinless just blameless. Without Christ none of this works. Our sin nature doesn’t die. We go to war with it. Read Paul’s account. He clearly states the things he wouldn’t do he does and what he should do he doesn’t because sin is in him and it’s a battle. Just read Romans. We are in Christ, the members of Christ, his bride, not his sibling and as his bride God sees us as one body with him. Angels do sin, which is why we shall judge them. They rebel. But they do not have grace as we do. He expects them to obey. Free will is not the ability to think for yourself but the right to choose for yourself. Angels do not have that. God tells us sin is with us from birth, none are born sinless. The reason Christ is sinless is that God placed him in Mary’s womb. He was not created through physical means and carries no familial DNA from Mary. That is how he could be born without inheriting the sin of Adam’s race. He is our Lord not our Boss. We serve him out of loyalty not duty or payment. God is a trinity not 2 parts, he is God the Father, Jesus Christ (The Word), and the Holy Spirit. They are one. Just as we are one in Christ. He gives payment for our sins and other than accepting his gift we have nothing to do with that agreement between him and God. Like Boaz going to his kinsman to secure Ruth as his bride. She had no role in the negotiations. As Jacob made a covenant with the Lord and the Lord caused a deep sleep to come upon Jacob and he made the covenant whilst Jacob slept. Jacob did not hold the covenant, The Lord did. When you repent and choose Christ many changes take place you do not control. First, your sins are washed away in the blood of Christ. The record of them is blotted out. Second, you are sealed until the day of redemption. The soul within you is separated from your flesh so the deeds of the flesh cannot corrupt your soul. This is because sin is still in you it is just not one with you. Just as we are in the world but we are not supposed to be one with it but separate. This means our souls maintain a sinless state even though our flesh may not. The flesh can be punished for our sins but are soul is safe and sealed in the spirit. The Bible says, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee….Low, I am with you always…” he leaves with us his spirit to teach us and interpret the will of God for us. Christ takes residence in us. We become a living temple and our heart the holy of Holies. The thrown room. No one can remove us from his hand. He states it clearly. That means you cannot remove yourself from God. Just like he and his father are one we are one in Christ. God is not willing that any should perish. We are commanded to preach unto every creature. It’s hard enough trying to overcome sin in our lives let alone preach to every creature for no reason. God does not lie so it must be his desire that everyone get saved even if free will means not everyone will. He wouldn’t waste our time with trying to lead people to Christ who can’t get saved. But nothing I say matters if you don’t have solid scripture and you are going off some corrupt text. The Bible is of no personal interpretation. Every foundational belief is supported with two or three scriptural references or witnesses to ensure it cannot be corrupted. That is why we are to seek, ask of God, and study to show ourselves approved. This way the beliefs and traditions of men, false profits, cultish beliefs do not destroy Gods true plan for mankind and us as individuals. I suggest you sincerely pray for God to reveal his truth to you and give you a spirit of discernment.
@Truth Seeker Constantine created the Catholic Church as a political option. Catholics aren’t true Bible believers. In fact Constantine didn’t create the Catholic Church it goes back to Jezabel and bail worship. He simply gave it a platform. The tribes came from Isaac and Ishmael in Genesis. Isaac’s line the lineage of his kingdom and ishmael’s that of the Arab nations. There are twelve tribes in Israel and there were twelve houses in the stars to represent them. This was set for times and signs but was distorted when the earth was shifted on it access shortening length of days and the lifespan of mankind. The calendar was created much later. It’s a man made thing not God thing. God used feasts and holy days to map out his calendar. They are actually dress rehearsals for what was to come in the New Testament and millenium. It’s like you understand many things but your vision is just a bit distorted. We are in the age of grace. What we become after this life will come with different rules and expectations. We are not under the law. Christ on the cross said the law was finished. The sabbath is 6pm Friday to 6pm Saturday. That has never changed. It is God’s day of rest. But there is no more law to hold us to it. The sabbath is not re established till the millennium. Under Old Testament law you could stone your neighbor if you caught him working on the sabbath.
Look I agree most “Christians” are not true Christians in the biblical sense but where you take it is far beyond the doctrinal confines of the Bible. I think you are named appropriately for I believe you seek the truth because you have not found it just yet. You sound much like a seventh day Adventist friend of mine. A little like some Mormons I know. I stick to the Bible and the discerning of the Holy Spirit. I have theories of our purpose and what lays between the doctrinal texts of the Bible as well but those are not provable things. Line upon line, precept upon precept. The Bible is my book of laws and expectations from God. If you are following some other text or concept of men I can’t help that. I know whom I serve. The God of Isaac and Jacob, of Noah and Abraham. I serve Jesus Christ who is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. I do not serve you or your misguided doctrines. I am fallible and God has all eternity to correct any error in me and any of his other children. For no man is perfect. You take a truth than you run off with it somewhere and twist it into some outlandish thing. I fear I have answered a fool according to his folly and this will just continue to go on and on. You are dangerous for you know enough to draw people in but then you go off on a tangent leading them astray of the simple truths of God’s message. Remember Satan comes as an Angel of light. The serpent betrayed and led Eve astray with one question…”yay, hath God said….” It is a very tangled web you weave and I shall leave you to get lost in your own self righteousness but I will pray for you, that God does give you the truth you seek and you are willing to accept it when he shows it to you.
@Truth Seeker first I do not have “religion” I have Faith. Jesus Christ hated religion and the traditions of men that led them astray. All who call themselves “Christians” do not originate from the same beliefs. All true believers aren’t Jews. Gentiles have been grafted in. We answer to Christ who died for us. He is our mediator. I find that those who only look to the father and will not look to Christ usually do not believe he is the messiah. When God the father looks at us he sees his only begotten son who he loves. It pleased the father that he was bruised and beaten for our transgressions. He accepted his death as propitiation for our sins.
The new Jerusalem is not on this earth. This earth is destroyed by fire. Post tribulation/post millennial. God created a new heaven and a new earth. You are confusing the millennial kingdom with the New Jerusalem.
It’s like you took all these profound truths and mixed them together out of order. You clearly need help with dispensations and who God is addressing when.
I have only responded to you because I don’t want people to be confused by you. You give no answer for where you get your doctrine, your Bible, your church. I guess I will have to go back through the messages and reference everything with chapter and verse despite going way beyond the topic this was meant to address which was to say satan did not choose to leave God. He rebelled and tried to dethrone him so God cast him out as punishment (Isaiah 14).
As for men, once you are a member of the body of Christ and received him as your Lord and Savior you cannot just decide to remove yourself from God’s hand. 1 Peter 1:3-5 our salvation is kept by God not us. John 10:27-29 God and Christ are one and “no man” can remove us from his hand. If you are human that means you too.
Christ died for all my sins past, present, and future. I answer to no other authority but him. If I turn my back on him it doesn’t change my standing in Christ. I will reap for my sins in the flesh. when I die I stand before him at the judgement seat of Christ to give account for myself as an ambassador bearing his name. I will lose treasures in heaven. I do not stand before him at the white thrown as the lost. The wrath of God cannot abide on me. It is part of his promise.
If salvation is not by grace through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ then pray tell, how does one get to heaven? By works? God forbid, the Jews could not fulfill the law which is why Christ came. How then shall you fulfill it without his promise and saving grace? If you can lose it every time you sin then how is it eternal salvation? Again, it has been proven that Christ was the only on capable of keeping the law and then did away with it. Thus, “It is finished”.
What is your testimony of faith?
I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior on August 28, 1993 @ 15yrs old. I have been in his ministry since then. I use a King James AV 1611 Bible. I am part of an assembly of believers but I need no church or affiliation to support my beliefs. My Bible is my declaration of beliefs. Where two or more are gathered together there he is also. I do not make confession to anyone but him. For there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.
I am not here to abolish Satan. That is between him and God. His days are numbered. I am told to resist him and he will flee. I am here to be a light and testimony for Christ in the world controlled by him. He is the landlord. How else could he temp Christ by offering to give it to him before the appointed time.
I am called to be a fisher of men and feed his sheep. To preach unto every creature. To give testimony of the faith that is in me as is every one of his children.
I will pray for you. I am not your enemy and I do hope you find the truth. Christ said, “I am The Way, The Truth, and The Light. No man cometh onto the father but by me.” I’ve found the truth and I pray you will too.
@Truth Seeker interesting how I spent an hour last night posting the entire plan of salvation with supporting texts and doctrinal witnesses in response to you reply and this morning that post has been removed. Looks like the person who removed it is the one serving the devil
I look at it through the eyes of obedience. For example. If you tell your children, you can have the food on the kitchen table but don’t eat out of the refrigerator. (For example- 1. You’re the parent, 2. You made food for the kids you’ve birthed 3. As children you should remain obedient and respect our home. ) God told Adam and Eve to not eat of the tree or you’ll surely die. God’s the parent, honor and respect his orders, and don’t EAT OFF THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
IT wasnt the Tree of Good and Evil, it was the Tree of KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil!!
It was a tree of KNOWLEDGE!!!!
And today, knowledge is power!
Lol money is power.... heard the say not what you know but who you know
ANDMA, if God didn't want them to have knowledge, He would not have planted the tree.
You assume that it was meant to punish mankind, rather than the opening up of the capacity to use that free will properly.
@ANDMA, I didn't say he congratulated them, please don't go attributing a statement to me that I never stated.
God put that Tree there because He wanted them to gain that knowledge. He wanted them to Fall. This was not for any measure of punishment, but so that they could grow. People do not grow in a stagnate environment. People grow through adversity. Remember what God said, "cursed is the ground for thy sake;". That is not a statement of punishment.
Having gained the knowledge provided by the fruit, Adam needed to exercise it. To properly exercise knowledge between good and evil, you need to have both good and evil in your life. Being the Garden would have done nothing for this. Adam needed to be in an environment which pushed him to grow. So we have the bad things in this world to truly appreciate the good things in this world and beyond.
A man who does not believe he has sinned, will not seek to repent. A person who has repented will know the peace that brings. To paraphrase another, there needs to be an opposition in all things. Without it, righteousness could not be brought to pass because there is no wickedness. Holiness and misery, good and bad, are all two parts of the same coin.
Sitting on a couch does not do much to exercise your muscles. It is only when you put your muscles in opposition to another force (be it another person, weights, or even your own body against gravity, whatever) that they are able to grow.
Critical learning is gained by having your views challenged and debated. That is the verbal equivalent to the thorns and briars that the gardener Adam had to deal with after leaving the Garden.
So, yes. Adam and Eve eating the fruit and Falling was all part of God's plan to help them (and by extension, us) grow. He could not congratulate them, because they did sin, but that doesn't mean He wasn't expecting it, even planning on it. He already had the plan of the Atonement in place before even the light was separated from the darkness for Earth.
Think about it, what was a greater event in history, the Creation or the Atonement of Christ? Without the Fall, Creation would not progress. Without the Atonement, Creation would have been meaningless. Without the Fall, there would have been no need for an Atonement. Within that can be found the Glory of the Christ
My daughter just asked me a similar question today: “Mom God knows everything before it happens, why didn’t He stop Adam and Eve from eating off the tree?”
Smart girl. Did you respond with an explanation of infralapsarianism?
Because it was always meant to be a trap.
@@obsequiarch7271not a team. It's about free will and making a choice to do good or evil
@@allisonvero2142 Adam and eve were completely unaware of even the concepts of good or evil prior to eating the fruit. That's not a choice, that's a trick.
@@obsequiarch7271 He TOLD them what would happen
Was never about the tree or fruit in tne garden people. GOD could have said do not sit on this stone .....
Its about listening, and being obediant to His commandments because He knows whats best for us. If you dont trust in God tbere will be consequences.
Clear Mind Do you really know what tool place in the garden?
Right!
Arc Sata Wrong! Eve and Adam ate no fruit. Were they disobedient. Yes. But it was because of sexual immorality.
Peregrin falcon, there is nó growth in trust without walking togéther with God, through a period of time... like a child does with it's parents.
Tests come too, to grow us and show ùs what is in us. And grow some more..
IN TRUSTING GOD., not ourselves!!! Hím!
people "Twoedgesword" and Theeyeofone is the same person! causing confusion!
20:51 the only thing that makes sense to me is that the tree of knowledge of good and evil was the wisest way god can give us the way to exercise his loving gift of free will to us. god is love. love needs and object of love. and that is the requirement of loving another: for that other to have the freedom to choose to accept or reject that love. he already knew the consequence of such gift and already had the solution from the foundation of the world-jesus-for god so love the world that he gave his only begotten son...
Well said
It’s important to know God to be able to understand the spiritual...
Real faith is not of men. It’s prayer. Pray pray pray 🙏🔑✌️
I don't know why did those people laugh at her question. As if they know anything.
So what was the answer again?
Because you didn't finish it.
Read Genesis 2 real slow guys, it says God commanded the man. Eve wasn't even taken out of Adam's rib yet.
Clay Thomas so right Adam got a command from GOD not to eat Eve wasn't created yet so it was Adam duty to make Shure Eve got the command from Adam not to eat of the tree but instead he partake of it
Becareful of the statements we put forth.
The woman answered, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’”
@@ravindranchelliah4645 So, did she even know what death meant? Also, why is disobedience bad, if you do not understand either good, or evil.
Why did people laugh? That’s a legit question.
It's interesting that Dr. Barnett didn't laugh. He smiled, but not because he thought the question was funny. He smiled because it was a great question coming from a youngster.
Maybe they were not laughing at the question maybe she made a funny expression
A better question is why are there so many emotionally deaf people asking this silly question?
Exactly
@@razback8661 True.
A great and knowledgable preacher, I cannot think of that.
It may be just an opinion but it make alot of sense.
As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:9
Thanks for that.. it certainly makes you think deeply. I reckon just about every Christian would ask that question at sometime. Made my day x
Tania Briscoe AMEN !
Everything Creator made was good, including the Tree of Knowledge, the Tree of Life, and Lucifer who helped Eve because she was still being a little slow... I am sure she would have figured it out for herself eventually... maybe... Without Lucifer, there can be no Salvation.
(because we would still be running around in the woods naked and clueless... actually, that doesn't sound like a bad way of life at all ! )
I find it so amazing. Knowing He was going to have to die for man, he chose to create man anyway because of His great love !!!
And then drown many of them?
chris sonofpear1 no!! You still fail to understand why man is punished! You act as if no one is in the wrong except God! Why can’t you see that he’s not the one to blame? Man is the one that chooses to turn his back, NOT GOD! Do you even realize why God caused the flood?
@@Danielle33384 God is the one who put the tree there and he KNEW adam and eve would fall if you already know something bad is going to happen and it happens your at fault not them
@@marcellofunhouse1234 God also gave mankind a choice and a way to repent.
@@Danielle33384 still gods fault since he knew everything that was going to happen
I believe a short answer could be what the bible says :" All things were created by him for him" .... We have cleaning products in our home that can harm children if they drink it. We can tell them not to drink it, if they choose to disobey they can be harmed or worse. The cleaning products were not there to harm children but to clean.
Good answer - the issue is obedience and taking note of warnings.
Late reply but this analogy doesn't quite cut it. If you knew 100% that your child would drink the bleach under the sink tomorrow, why would you put the bleach under the sink?
You wouldn't put the cleaning products front in center in front of a baby. You move it, secure it and make sure the baby doesn't have access to it. Because you love that baby. You don't test the baby. Because you know it knows no better.
Thanks Dr. Barnet for sharing with us. We do have a wonderful God.
Love how the audience laughed, but this question and the nature of Lucifer in his involvement, is a large underpinning of the gnostic interpretation of Christianity. Some of you may or may not know that while most would seem it heretical, this was one of the earliest sects of Christianity.
Also, strangely coincidental, in the gnostic mythos there was a being of Wisdom known as sophia. And her name is sophie which is derivative of the being I spoke of. The concept is very in depth and if your curious I suggest you to do your own research. I believe you can find most texts in the public domain, but interpretations and numerous books have also been written so it may be a good idea to look at a few of those, rather than just dismissing the notion.
It's rather challenging to ponder at first, somewhat turning Christianity on it's head, but once you understand it, The narrative found in the bible is much more clear.
(sigh), ANOTHER sect, If all this garbage was true, there would be no sects. There would be no deviation from the truth, but since humankind is able to break off from the truth in individual sects, it becomes apparent that the whole thing is bull crap... Participate at your own peril.....
How about FREE WILL?
God gave man free will to come to him. Man was never forced to listen or believe in him.
there is only God's Will that leads to life or Sin which leads to death, no such thing as free will, free from what God? Death? Consequences? Stop teaching religion and stick with what the bible actually says.
spiritmatrix2004
You have free will!
You used your free will to comment and reply.
YOU HAVE A CHOICE, AND CHOICE BECOMES FREEWILL!!!!
sorry wrong, free will is not the same as choice. Jesus did nothing of his own will but only the Will of God who sent him, he chose to do the will of God so that all he did originates from God and not from himself
you have choices but they are not free, there are prices to pay for choices. God's Will shall be done no matter what I choose to do, therefore I am subject to it and cannot escape it no matter what decisions I choose to make therefore I am not free, If I had free Will I would sin and not die, this is not the case, we all die why? because God's will is that all who sin die, but He frees us from Death not from our Will but through His Son. This is the choice for everyone ...be subject To God's will and enjoy the benefits or go against God's will and suffer the consequences. Our choices have boundaries therefore we do not have free will.
John 10:17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My [own] life so that I may take it back. 18 No one takes it away from Me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I am authorized and have power to lay it down and to give it up, and I am authorized and have power to take it back. This command I have received from My Father.”
Even In choosing voluntarily in giving his life for us Jesus was following a command from God, He carried out God's will not His own.
I love how kids get right to the point. Lol What a hard question to muse.
It’s by man’s pride we left God’s Garden (God’s Presence) & by man’s humility we enter it once again.
God bless you Sophie for that great question 🙏 thank you John for that awesome answer. God bless you all.
wow. You ppl are really buying into this sophistry? Think about it.
1. Infralapsarianism - In this view, God's foreknowledge of the fall is consistent with His decree to permit it, as it serves as part of His plan for the manifestation of His attributes, such as justice and mercy. So God intentionally wanted people to sin and go to hell and he intentionally killed many people to get what he wanted.
2. Supra-Lapsarianism - Supra-Lapsarianism is often associated with a more rigorous view of predestination, with God's decree to reprobate some individuals preceding His decree for the fall.
3. Sub-Lapsarianism - Sub-Lapsarianism emphasizes that God's decree to allow the fall is a response to human sin rather than a cause of it. God wanted humans to sin. Adam and Eve had no idea that eating the fruit was a bad thing because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to that.
He pushes back the question. The existence of Satan was irrelevant to the question. Lucifer had fallen into sin. God didnt allow evil, he created evil (calamity). it was a calamity for Satan to disobey but God already knew that would happen. He created Lucifer with this intention in mind. he then draws Satan as being outside of God but the Bible teaches God is everywhere, there is nothing that exists outside of him.
Christianity is false.
Well said my brother, your explanation also brought to mind the fact that everything God creates is subject to change (mutability) by His sovereign will of course and of course He changes not therefore He is immutable.
Are you saying God doesn’t change?
wow. You ppl are really buying into this sophistry? Think about it.
1. Infralapsarianism - In this view, God's foreknowledge of the fall is consistent with His decree to permit it, as it serves as part of His plan for the manifestation of His attributes, such as justice and mercy. So God intentionally wanted people to sin and go to hell and he intentionally killed many people to get what he wanted.
2. Supra-Lapsarianism - Supra-Lapsarianism is often associated with a more rigorous view of predestination, with God's decree to reprobate some individuals preceding His decree for the fall.
3. Sub-Lapsarianism - Sub-Lapsarianism emphasizes that God's decree to allow the fall is a response to human sin rather than a cause of it. God wanted humans to sin. Adam and Eve had no idea that eating the fruit was a bad thing because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to that.
He pushes back the question. The existence of Satan was irrelevant to the question. Lucifer had fallen into sin. God didnt allow evil, he created evil (calamity). it was a calamity for Satan to disobey but God already knew that would happen. He created Lucifer with this intention in mind. he then draws Satan as being outside of God but the Bible teaches God is everywhere, there is nothing that exists outside of him.
Christianity is false.
Thanks for all you do. I need your wisdom during this time and am thankful for all you do in helping me understand the Bible.
wow. You ppl are really buying into this sophistry? Think about it.
1. Infralapsarianism - In this view, God's foreknowledge of the fall is consistent with His decree to permit it, as it serves as part of His plan for the manifestation of His attributes, such as justice and mercy. So God intentionally wanted people to sin and go to hell and he intentionally killed many people to get what he wanted.
2. Supra-Lapsarianism - Supra-Lapsarianism is often associated with a more rigorous view of predestination, with God's decree to reprobate some individuals preceding His decree for the fall.
3. Sub-Lapsarianism - Sub-Lapsarianism emphasizes that God's decree to allow the fall is a response to human sin rather than a cause of it. God wanted humans to sin. Adam and Eve had no idea that eating the fruit was a bad thing because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to that.
He pushes back the question. The existence of Satan was irrelevant to the question. Lucifer had fallen into sin. God didnt allow evil, he created evil (calamity). it was a calamity for Satan to disobey but God already knew that would happen. He created Lucifer with this intention in mind. he then draws Satan as being outside of God but the Bible teaches God is everywhere, there is nothing that exists outside of him.
Christianity is false.
God knows every single move we will make in our lives before we ever make them, because He knows the future and everything that will take place within the boundaries of it . He knows everything we'll do in the next 5 minutes, 5 years or 5 decades . It might seem to us like we have free will, but really don't, because God, who is ALL - KNOWING, knows in advance what our outcome will be .
And angels too, @Larry Conkle ? And that Adam and Eve were not really equipped to 'chose' for others, not yet born? And that many Popes were not suitable to make policies about Jewish people, either... do tell?
Larry Conkle
I hope you'll be passing that information along to the many Christians who reflexively say "God respects our free will" when we ask why he doesn't prevent evil.
The answer is: Adam & Eve were given "Free-will" to choose.
Why Did He put a dam in the sky?
Bryan S. no... it was for fallen angels who repented, evil to good for them good to evil for man.
God is a god of mercy and repentance.. Not Allah
@@fatherthomas1575 Not really sure what your talking about. I only believe in God and yes, Adam and Eve were given free will by God. We were not created to be mindless robots who look the same.
@KT Really? Your argument is Null & Void". So tell me, why would women and children get help from strangers who "choose to" help them? After all why help/stop something if it's to the strangers detriment.
Your delusional and really should double check what you just replied. All God said was, "Eat from ANY tree but THIS ONE.
Yet they were convinced by saten and CHOOSE to eat the forbidden fruit.
I added specific words in CAPS for you to figure it out.
@KT Let us use your line of thinking in an example...So what your telling me is if your dad told you; You can touch ANY appliance in the kitchen except the stovetop because its hot and you could get burned". You would touch the hot stovetop? Just because its there? Just because you were told not too?
Remember you chosen to through free-will, aka your own decision. Much like God told Adam and Eve about the forbidden tree.
Short answer is LOVE isn't real when you don't have a choice. Freewill = freedom to love.
Mindy Paige Without the freedom to not love, we wouldn't be able to willingly love. We wouldn't be what a human being was created to be, would we? We'd be "Stepford" people, robots, not really human. It has got to be at least part of what's meant by being created in the image of God.
The plan of salvation was not a failure, but the fall, I believe was inevitable simply because of our ability to choose. Is it not love to let people have what they want, if they choose evil over good? A sin lover would be miserable in heaven.
How is it free will if people are perpetually tortured for not choosing “correctly”?
So people must suffer so God can feel real love!? 😂
@@Rayzer_Nella Sin is suffering.
My natural feeling despite pride and lust and my childish ways, is to talk and think and ask and to find God.
BadBubbles1205 yep...if Adam and Eve would’ve stopped and talked with GOD about this serpent things probably would’ve turned out differently
alberto sobieski, a good advice.
Doron Bond, if God would have placed the tree in Jupiter and never created Satan, things probably would've turned out differently. SMH.
Blindman Limbo, in what way do I have no idea of what I am talking about?
#proudatheist
Blindman Limbo
Your name says that you are Unseeing and living in a Void. And Dawn Broker certainly made her point about the Tree and Satan. If God had not created Satan things would most certainly have been different in the Garden.
By the way what is this word of God's that makes you know how to interpret knowledge. Interpret Knowledge? Surly you mean 'To understand that which has been written.'
It’s so we can explain away evil as being the fault of humanity. If we deserve all the pain and suffering we won’t question the existence of an a benevolent, omnipotent creator
"" Everything Is A TEST "". Do YOU Do RIGHT Or Do You Do Wrong ? It's Up To YOU.
Why does God have to test you if he already knows who you are? He made you. So ????
everything is a functions test... are you able to do right ? are you able to do wrong ? GOOD. you have passed your Free Will diagnostics test.... enjoy being a rational living breathing emotional thinking living human being.
I completely agree. It does not make sense at all
Also he does not test every person the same
@@DrLove911Well G-d gave us a free will so...
always been wondering the same, thanks for explaining this. :)
Trey Smith does an excellent job explaining this subject. Amongst many others. Well worth the time to watch or buy the full version videos.
Love his stuff and he is a very interesting guy
Link please? Trying to look for it
Without Evil, Good would not exist. Everything requires opposing points or balance can not be achieved.
Nonsense. Health can exist without disease. Love can exist without hatred. Safety can exist without danger. Life that is half good, half evil isn't "balanced". It's a life that's half of what it ought to be. Stop repeating this nonsensical excuse.
@@scotte4765 sorry you are so shallow and ignorant. Of course, without people like you there wouldn’t be people like me, deep and intelligent.
@@johngalt748 Without rude, arrogant, and illogical people like you, perhaps I wouldn't appreciate the civil, logical, and humble ones quite as much, but they would still exist. Your comments are still nonsense.
Where there is no light, darkness dwells.
DEEP
Basically all small towns in the United States.
If there is no light and darkness dwells then that might mean your becoming darkness your self and that's not good evil is calling you to darkness and trying to take you away from the light the light is you you are the light and you just have to listen to your good light and not the darkness of the light
You are the light and darkness of the light is trying to call you so dont listen to that light of darkness listen to your good light cause you are the light and the darkness of the light is evil evil is bad really bad so dont listen to that light listen to the good light
There is no light without darkness!!
That was a very nice question. I have a better one that most wouldn't even realize they should ask....If the fruit from the "Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil" imbues upon the person knowledge of Good and Evil...then why were they told not to eat of it if they had no knowledge of good and evil? If you don't know good and evil...you don't know Right from wrong.
Hey, I fell asleep halfway through this, did this guy ever answer the question? He took the leisurely route to the words "I don't know", doncha think? Do you know why he can't answer it in cornbread english? It's because it doesn't make sense. You may find that unpleasant, but what I would like is for you to show me where it is untrue.
Wake up & listen. He gave the answer. We have the Bible & you have the ability to research-even using youtube. He gave information. You have free will to accept or reject. Now it's on you. No one is guaranteed their next breath. Have a nice trip.
The fall was foreordained, it wasn’t a test of obedience, in order to ‘obey’ one must understand the difference between good and evil. Obviously it is good to obey righteous instructions, but, without the knowledge of good and evil it is impossible to understand this concept.
Many people believe that humans became subject to a ‘bondage of the will’ in the fall of man, on the contrary, man GAINED FREE WILL in the ‘fall’!!!!
It is impossible to be a morally responsible agent without being able to grasp the difference between good and evil!
No Christian would dispute that Christians are supposed to be conformed to the image of Christ, nobody would dispute that part of being conformed to Christ’s image would include being able to discern the difference between good and evil! Therefore, the ‘fall’ was a necessary piece of the puzzle of being conformed to Christ’s image!
I see it as an inoculation process! The introduction of a small dose of disease, thus preventing later infection!
If Adam and Eve did not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they could not have grasped the concept of good and evil!
Jennifer Matthews So what’s the answer
well, "evil was found in satan" because God let go (and let God?) gets us back to the logical conundrum that evil derived from a "pure" Creator, so the Gnostics were right.. the Creator is evil. also, the concept that this passage serves up 'free will' is doubtful because clearly God is punishing those who would seek information (knowledge) to make informed decisions of their volition. A micromanaging deity. Sophie? Sophia? Wisdom... scripted...
cornbread - your right on the money - they all drown the topic with words when they dont have an answer
Staggering insight class of 74 John! Thank you for decimating God's Perfect Word (spoon feeding us) In Awe ❤
Incredible teaching every Christian should listen to
And be dumber for it if that is even possible.
I believe love makes people do things knowing it will not work out. We are made in his image and he did say the choice is ours . Maybe God hoped we would choose him and not want evil.
Valerie read Genesis 2:16-18 where God commanded Adam not to eat of the tree, Eve wasn't there yet, she was still a rib in Adam. Not until Genesis 2:21 does Eve appear on the scene.
So did God create evil? And then he says in him "there is no darkness" I'm a believer but I'm going through major confusion and doubts.
true love can not be forced. it's out of a freewill.
if you love HIM, you will obey HIM. yet we failed
D Loui bc he created us weak in the first place and allows us to be tested with plagues, suffering, wars, brains capable of logic and reasoning. And if we reject Him or the idea of Him we will suffer for ETERNITY in a lake of fire that He created. We are as free as slaves are to a jealous, self righteous, narcissistic, and abusive master. Jesus tells us to act like good obedient slaves. excuse me but slaves don’t have freedom to create their own conditions. They’re considered property that requires punishment when acting on their own accord.
He doesn’t even NEED us to worship him or praise him for eternity. It’s only another of his unrealistic wants. Loving your emotional manipulative abuser (even if did create you) sounds like Stockholm syndrome if you ask me.
We are the essence of God, we are microscopic members of his being. His benevolence is no less because he loves us like he loves himself, and bids us to do the same for each other. God does what he will with his being.
Except when He seemingly doesn't, you mean?
Bro Barnett, you sir, are a wonderful soul winner
I think people laughed because it really was a great question. The person who asked seemed very young which would have surprised people. It surprised me, I don't think people were laughing at the question, they were laughing at the innocent wisdom of the situation. Laughing suggest your mind can identify strange truths. The more open you are too truth the funnier things seem.
This is when common sense meets delusion. The question was rational, the answer was completely irrational
God only knows why He does what He does
Alphaomega Poignant For HIS ways are not our ways.
God does everything righteous God is love, is patient, long-suffering for giving to the Thousanth Generation, it's impossible for God to lie, God is Holy will not take any sin into heaven. God is light in him there is no Darkness at all. So God is Justified with all those characteristics that we know of him from the word. Also we're Made In His Image & if someone didn't ask to be born, when they become Born Again they're glad they were born and glad they can exist throughout eternity praising God that's why we were created. God is love he always had someone to love cuz there was the tri Unity from Everlasting to Everlasting. So the happiest way for us to live, and righteous way is serving him and communing with him, we get to go to the Glorious heaven. Now the happiest way for Sinners is to do what they want to do but they can't escape the Flames of Hell unless they repent in this lifetime and serve the Lord, It's a choice. The sheep and the goats Matthew 25 there's only two kinds of people.
Jim Merrilees first thing you're blaming the wrong god, Satan is the prince of this world & the evil one. God gives Grace to people who go through stuff to container want to live, otherwise you'd see Mass suicides, throughout the worst times in history. WRONG, God does not condone rape, the Quran does. The Bible does not condone torture. The slavery in the Bible is not like the Civil War South, more like indentured servant, voluntary. A slave was not a person's property that own them, in the Calvinist south of 1800 America, that was a completely different slavery. The Bible is miraculous. The probability that it takes for it to remain in the same non contradictory streams of thought with itself, many threads of Doctrine. The Book of Romans cosio Testament at least 61 times not contradicting the places it quoted from and the book itself. Romans is 1 out of 66 books. The New Testament has 5000 manuscript copies. Plato only has 9 original of what he wrote, so we're not sure Plato wrote Plato the probability is very low. The probability of 325 prophecies concerning Christs first coming are 10 to the 40000 power. The number goes way up exponentially because of the population narrow down to one person. Now those are facts. I'm a truth-seeker I just want to follow whats true. Sounds like you got some anger and let me just to show you that God can help out. Don't tell me you're one of those people that can trace your family tree all the way back to the Apes.... Because of sin you might be motivated..... Our sins convicted us and if we get out of sin we have a surance God also we have all the evidence on our side
Jim Merrilees no you don't know what you're talking about with the Quran nor the Bible but I'll help you out. You're just another politically correct bloke following the mainstream of whatever they believe without actually doing research. I can see you've been reading the Bible as if to look for loopholes not to believe it. Marriage in the Old Testament protects women so when a man rapes a woman he is supposed to marry her, nobody gets away with rape like they do now... without a consequence for the marriage. So someone having sex or raping a woman back then it was communally known that if you did that that you would have to marry her, if you go that far you're going to have to marry her, so we're not talking about rapist like Islam chapter 4 verse 24 chapter 24 verse 33 these verses condone rape in the Quran.... And there's more.. women are 2nd classes in the Koran, several verses I'll give it to you if you want them. The caveat for a slave dying under the beating of a master was very very rare. Oh by the way God is very serious about dealing with the peacenicks in judges 20 and 21, they were killed for not going to battle in a holy war against evil. Look it up. God is angry with the wicked every day Psalm 7 11. The Quran condones marrying a child chapter 65 verse 4, you can beat your wife harshly chapter 4 verse 34, you can rape your wife 2 verse 223. Allah is the greatest of all deceivers chapter 8 verse 60 chapter 3 verse 54. I guess you really didn't know who you were talking to I studied religion you haven't studied at all I can tell by this these three threads that you're just looking for loopholes so you can live your party lifestyle, and at the same time you'll accept Muslims as peaceful. What a joker!! The devil's played a trick on the whole world in the last days if they don't look at these books you are without excuse, Gods without excuse already because like I said before the Bible's perfect. The rapist that are in your country raping all the English women, have the two verses that I just mentioned to justify it. What does al Qaeda Isis and Hezbollah have in common? ......The Quran
Jim Merrilees the Arabs can trace part of their family back to Abraham, but the religion itself does not. Islam is from the nabataean Moon God. So it's not the same God at all. Crusaders can say they do things in the Name of Christ as if Christ sent them to do what they did. Anyone can do that. Cult leaders come and go all the time yet when they twist the Bible wrong ENough, violating the primary doctrines, they are considered a cult by mainstream Christianity. In the Dark Ages, Martin Luther was right when he started and then he got pretty violent at the end of his life. Well it was a very violent time to live. Roman Catholics burning people at the stake so other Protestant groups started burning each other at the stake. God can take into account, a time when someone lives and judge rightly. You are right the Bible this pretty harsh in the Old Testament, but the love of God is shown when he sent his son which balances out all the harshness by God himself making the only way to Salvation. Now when I say harshness I don't mean that it's wrong in what it says,. So I still agree with my original beliefs. But one thing is is that the Western world does not have to eak out a living like they used to back in the Dark Ages, Industrial Revolution & Bible ages. we don't go through the blood sweat and tears of just trying to put food on the table or just survive like they did. So it's easy to be all pompous and sit on the throne judging times in history as if it wasn't as harsh as it really was. That's kind of what you're doing with the Old Testament. Pain is pain is pain. And the only pain westerners feel sometimes is self inflicted, unrealistic from the 'worlds' of the past. We don't appreciate what God has given us. the food and the air that we breathe we take a lot of things for granted for that reason. So you have to believe there's a God because evolution is stupid. One more thing, the British museum itself has enough artifacts the prove the Bible's true. And that's not the only Museum but there's plenty to corroborate the Old Testament writings to be true. you haven't looked since you were 12 years old at any of this you just rejected it straight across the board. Complexities of DNA and molecular biology destroy Darwinism. Darwinism is going to die if other cult leaders would not still propagated it of course. Smithsonian'gate' will do that because of money. they can't reject what they've been telling people, so they continue to lie.
Almighty God is pure divine and rightous love. All this was done created free. Almighty didnt give freewill. HE created us free to learn HIS love from our imperfections to sin. The forgiveness of our sins was the proof of His Blessed Son sacrifise for our sins. Then it is up to us to adhere the soul to the spirit which is the truth. Our bodies and mind are carnel. Why Jesus left his spirit when he parted from this world. Why we must walk in the spirit n not in the flesh. As tough as it is God really examines the heart. God Bless.
God allows evil and good. He created evil just like he created good. He wants to know us through the choices that we make, so he has given us a wide spectrum to choose from. From extreme good to extreme evil. Individually, we reveal to God what we are on the inside. As the Bible states we are all made in the image of God. To be extremely good, we need to build a relationship with God and allow him to guide us to himself, which is the epitome of virtue. It is important to move toward God, as this is the purpose of our life, and only that and nothing more.
We are here for approximately 80 years, however for eternity we must show where we belong. We show that with our very being. Our thoughts, our words, our intentions, our actions, all these are the choices we have. These choices reveal our truth, which is recorded. We will be judged according to our truth on judgement day. That is why its important to get saved and have our true evil washed in the blood of Christ and then follow him.
Evil is a concious act to purposefully do harm or an injustice to somthing knowing it is not necessary and wrong. It's to simplistic and wrong to say the father created evil. And God looked at everything that he had made and it was good.
vidx03 how is that free will if he knows what you’re going to do before hand.
@@Keynotes13Its a misconception that the father knows what you will do before you do it. Abraham and Isaac are a testament to hes not knowing all things.
God gave us a free will from the very beginning and in creating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil He created our freedom to choose and knowing that we would mess up He provided the way to deal with our sin and to provide us with our salvation from our sins
no Jehovah didnt give us free will in the beggining... we got that curse when Jesus was tortured for 3 days then murdered...
Jesus "cleaned our slate" and we were sentenced with "free will" to phuk up freely... we were punished spiritual dumbass
@@yourangelinfleshorsackclot1523.....David freely chose to have sex with Bathsheba.
CORRECT Lisa ... THAT is the short answer.
There is no such thing as free will
His comments were supurfluous. When he said that no one knows why God created the tree of knowledge, he should have left it at that and just offered his best guess.
Yes, he took 20 minutes just to say that nobody knows.
I believe that the reason for all of this is so, The Lord God can get glory over evil, false gods and everything in this existence. One more thing, 6 years after this sermon, no archaeologists have not found Nefertiti's tomb at 10:13 as of today the 15th of September 2022.
Many thanks brother, you do an exceptional job of preaching God's word.
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Although I would still like to know why Satan was exiled toward Earth? And if Adam and Eve knew they would be choosing so much on behalf of their yet to be born descendants?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Romans actually answers that question in Chapter 5 Verse 12: "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, *because all sinned*..." In other words: everyone made that choice, in the sense of genetic memory.
@@TheAngryAmericanRenegade1776 And did all choose to sin, or did they become hereditarily/genetically inclined to, since before they were BORN?
And sin BEGAN in heaven first - not in this world. So tell me the angelic version, of Romans 5, and Romans 1:20, too.
Also, Genesis 3:22 confirms Adam and Eve DID become like the Elohim, and death was not mentioned, yet.
And in not negating defunct little Leviticus 25:46 when the opportunity arose, perhaps others also sinned (as in missed the mark, or fell short...)
Maybe they were not all human, either.
I enjoy listening to this man because he gets to the "nitty gritty"!
wow. You ppl are really buying into this sophistry? Think about it.
1. Infralapsarianism - In this view, God's foreknowledge of the fall is consistent with His decree to permit it, as it serves as part of His plan for the manifestation of His attributes, such as justice and mercy. So God intentionally wanted people to sin and go to hell and he intentionally killed many people to get what he wanted.
2. Supra-Lapsarianism - Supra-Lapsarianism is often associated with a more rigorous view of predestination, with God's decree to reprobate some individuals preceding His decree for the fall.
3. Sub-Lapsarianism - Sub-Lapsarianism emphasizes that God's decree to allow the fall is a response to human sin rather than a cause of it. God wanted humans to sin. Adam and Eve had no idea that eating the fruit was a bad thing because they had no knowledge of good and evil prior to that.
He pushes back the question. The existence of Satan was irrelevant to the question. Lucifer had fallen into sin. God didnt allow evil, he created evil (calamity). it was a calamity for Satan to disobey but God already knew that would happen. He created Lucifer with this intention in mind. he then draws Satan as being outside of God but the Bible teaches God is everywhere, there is nothing that exists outside of him.
Christianity is false.
Good question! We need not start with the tree...why not question all of creation? Why create it at all if He knows it will fall into sin and corruption and death? Same answer: All things work towards God's perfect good. Another way to understand it, maybe even more difficult, or maybe much easier: Faith. Have faith in God. What is better on a human perspective? To live a life with no possibility to fall or a life with a possibility of falling, then to choose salvation? What is better from God's perspective (as if anyone could know) to create a family forced to love God or to create a family that chooses to love God? Shalom! Test all things! Pray and fast in love, truth, spirit and trembling fear before God on matters of salvation.
Please google and read through the book of Urantia for the above words ...THE PLANETARY ADAMS DURING the dispensation of a Planetary Prince, primitive man reaches the limit of natural evolutionary development, and this biologic attainment signals the System Sovereign to dispatch to such a world the second order of sonship, the biologic uplifters. These Sons, for there are two of them-the Material Son and Daughter-are usually known on a planet as Adam and Eve. The original Material Son of Satania is Adam, and those who go to the system worlds as biologic uplifters always carry the name of this first and original Son of their unique order. These Sons are the material gift of the Creator Son to the inhabited worlds. Together with the Planetary Prince, they remain on their planet of assignment throughout the evolutionary course of such a sphere. Such an adventure on a world having a Planetary Prince is not much of a hazard, but on an apostate planet, a realm without a spiritual ruler and deprived of interplanetary communication, such a mission is fraught with grave danger. Although you cannot hope to know all about the work of these Sons on all the worlds of Satania and other systems, other papers depict more fully the life and experiences of the interesting pair, Adam and Eve, who came from the corps of the biologic uplifters of Jerusem to upstep the Urantia races. While there was a miscarriage of the ideal plans for improving your native races, still, Adam’s mission was not in vain; Urantia has profited immeasurably from the gift of Adam and Eve, and among their fellows and in the councils on high their work is not reckoned as a total loss. 1. ORIGIN AND NATURE OF THE MATERIAL SONS OF GOD The material or sex Sons and Daughters are the offspring of the Creator Son; the Universe Mother Spirit does not participate in the production of these beings who are destined to function as physical uplifters on the evolutionary worlds. The material order of sonship is not uniform throughout the local universe. The Creator Son produces only one pair of these beings in each local system; these original pairs are diverse in nature, being attuned to the life pattern of their respective systems. This is a necessary provision since otherwise the reproductive potential of the Adams would be nonfunctional with that of the evolving mortal beings of the worlds of any one particular system. The Adam and Eve who came to Urantia were descended from the original Satania pair of Material Sons. Material Sons vary in height from eight to ten feet, and their bodies glow with the brilliance of radiant light of a violet hue. While material blood circulates through their material bodies, they are also surcharged with divine energy and saturated with celestial light. These Material Sons (the Adams) and Material Daughters (the Eves) are equal to each other, differing only in reproductive nature and in certain chemical endowments. They are equal but differential, male and female-hence complemental-and are designed to serve on almost all assignments in pairs. The Material Sons enjoy a dual nutrition; they are really dual in nature and constitution, partaking of materialized energy much as do the physical beings of the realm, while their immortal existence is fully maintained by the direct and automatic intake of certain sustaining cosmic energies. Should they fail on some mission of assignment or even consciously and deliberately rebel, this order of Sons becomes isolated, cut off from connection with the universe source of light and life. Thereupon they become practically material beings, destined to take the course of material life on the world of their assignment and compelled to look to the universe magistrates for adjudication. Material death will eventually terminate the planetary career of such an unfortunate and unwise Material Son or Daughter. An original or directly created Adam and Eve are immortal by inherent endowment just as are all other orders of local universe sonship, but a diminution of immortality potential characterizes their sons and daughters. This original couple cannot transmit unconditioned immortality to their procreated sons and daughters. Their progeny are dependent for continuing life on unbroken intellectual synchrony with the mind-gravity circuit of the Spirit. Since the inception of the system of Satania, thirteen Planetary Adams have been lost in rebellion and default and 681,204 in the subordinate positions of trust. Most of these defections occurred at the time of the Lucifer rebellion.
God gave us the choice of self determination. That's why man is unique in the universe.
It always touches my heart in a weird way when I hear adults laughing at a child's question. Especially a child questioning the bible or their faith. That laughter is embarrassing to a child... It affects them in subtle ways that build up over time. In my spirit based life coaching program I find that almost every struggling adult that reaches out turned from God at a very young age because of the behaviors of the adults in their church making them feel mocked, unworthy, and that they never really felt comfortable asking questions so they came to a lot of childhood assumptions about the bible before having enough literary understanding to pick up on the nuances .... I'm just sharing because maybe there's some adults who laugh at things they think are cute, and if that's your knee jerk reaction please be sure to then encourage the child. Tell them they asked a great question, that maybe once you had that question too, if you dont know the answer be honest ask what they are thinking create a productive energy and make them feel heard and validated. A child's mind is precious and as adults we forget common sense is only common if youve all been taught the same thing . until you're taught... You question.
They were not mocking her.
I don't think she was questioning her faith. Your making and assumption and treating as fact. If she felt mocked or unworthy, another assumption, those feeling are absolutely wrong but scripture says that those things are in the heart of a child. Unwarranted shame and naivity are things that are childlike and should be treated without judgment or ridicule and is perfectly innocent. These things are common sense. Kids say the funniest thing mostly because of their purity and instinctively know how to get right to the point. The nervously funny part is that an adult would struggle to frame this question and a child so easily and naturally gets it. You are correct that we need to encourage children and uplift while teaching them to grow and think. Her question cannot be fully known in this life.
Correction, an adult would struggle "to Frame" this question and a child so easily gets it.
Who among all of you! Upon all dry GROUNDS nor the WORLD. CAN washed thy neighbors FEETS beloved?
They were giggling at the cuteness of the child’s question. No one was laughing at her. Get a grip.
I found the answer!
Jesus said if you *really love* *me* obey my commandments
One of the 10 Most important commandment:
love your God with all your heart and all your strength
We can't do that because it requires perfection which we are not
disobedience is one of the things God hates the most
It's like we are indirectly saying we don't love you.
Disobedience=sin
God wanted to test Adam and Eve love for him like he did with Abraham and Isaac but they failed we all would have eventually
It is and always will be about obédience
Without Jesus we can't really love God because only through him are we able to love God because he has been obedient for us thank God for him🙏🏾❤️🙌
But I CAN'T love Jehovah, though?
Not whilst Numbers 11, Deuteronomy 20 and Samuel 15 exist?
And I'm not too sure about Corinthians 2, either?
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What do those say for you to hate him?
Mostly, what they SAY is massacres, suffering, hypocrisy and violation of consent, as I recall.
Also, are you familiar with the term schadenfreude? Neat little German word?
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Schadenfreuden taking pleasure is someone misfortune, right ? Honestly bro not too long à go I used to think that God is just evil and that he just doesn't care at all but now i don't believe that anymore. But remember the world is like this because we failed to love God and obey him. It's our own failure that cause destruction in this world in the first place and God has to work with what we do. God says he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, look at Jesus he cries for for people that don't want to come to him. Bad things happen to teach us a lesson for failing to love him
God wants to bring the best out of us and he will do wathever it takes we humans never really grow up we may become smarter and wiser but we really never change only he can truly change us
honestly bro try to have God on your side and obey his commandments and pray and see what happens in life
God can even show you he is real keep asking/praying and you will see
If God punishes you don't let your pride overtake you because don't forget pride was the first sin ever committed by the devil
t'challa Jordan amen for we are the children , and like having children we could understand God more in a way. Children need their parents to live when they’re nothing but children and depend on their parents, so they must be obedient for nothing bad to happen for parents have more experience . As for God he is eternal , and all loving.
This life is a test.
Maybe for multiple entities, including those who THINK they have more power than they actually do?
So, God is trying to entrap us?
No varanid9, he's not trying to entrap you. His purpose is to make you into something worth keeping (we don't want to be something not worth keeping) ... and in doing that testing is involved. You were made for a purpose (you're not here by mistake). But it is true, this life is a time of testing for us all. That's how we learn. Even Jesus learned via testing (Hebrews 5:8) - "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" ... so we too will learn the things we need to learn ... and the same way (Hebrews 12:5-7) - "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"
So, when we fail (As "God" already knows) our torturous existence continues ? So, after about 70 years in physical form where we are continuously abused from birth to death, then the torture continues in the afterlife. I refuse to serve this compassionateless son of a bitch, that's what this entity is if he even exists
@@roypeer3725 yes, serve this truly loveless entity if he even exists. Torture/abuse from cradle to grave, then the torture continues on in the afterlife. I refuse to serve this son of a bitch. Don't follow your script, it's all Satan's fault. It's ALL this supposed God's fault, get your head out of your ass. You are truly lost, not because of a fractured "relationship" with your phony God but because you are truly blind, hear me !!!
In my mind or heart (or how I interpret why Elohim created of the trees of good and evil) is because as the minister I listen too put it "this is an interview," we are interviewing to live among Jesus, to live and walk with God. Elohim gives us the free will of our flesh, He knows our struggle and in my opinion does not want to force you to love Him. It is a personal relationship and a personal choice. He wants your willing praise not reluctant submission. That is why He allows evil imo, He wants to weed out His harvest. I don't know everything in the bible I can't lie about that. I do know I have always felt His presence & I constantly talk to Him even if I think He isn't listening, & He has proved to always be there.
Free will is our gift from God.
Ebiegberi Adonkie well blame it on our other brothers🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
You can't know good without knowing evil, other wise what is good?
Good is when you do something good like achieving your goals every day and sticking to it and evil mean when you are bad and dont wanna listen to yourself you just wanna be evil and even if you achieve your goal every day to be a good parent or worker or good just being yourself evil can still drop in on you you just have to force your self not to do the evil and to just do the good evil would tantrum you and try and full you by giving yourself a new timing in life and a new future now that evil evil plays with your mind and try's to give you a new setting in your life and good is that you'll always be who you are and always do want you gotta do is just be you and now that's being good even though evil can still drop on you just stay good and dont let the evil manifest your life your take your mind over
The main reason is because the Bible is about Jesus. Humans aren't the main characters of the Bible like we think.
Soooo, Jesus wasn't human?
I formed the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7. It's God's creation he does what he pleases. It's simple God is sovereign over all.
Adam and eve had the same as we do to day. God has always wanted man to live by faith and not by the letter of the law. In Genesis we see where the serpent told Eve that she surely wouldn't die that God know that the day she ate of the fruit of the tree her eyes would be open and she would be as gods knowing good and evil.
And we also see where God said: "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil"
The tree she ate the fruit from was called "The knowledge of good and evil"
This is God's law or the laws of the Gods. God never intended for man to live under the bondage of that law. That is why Jesus had to come down and finish the law and set it back to the way God has always wanted it to be and that is us living by faith and not by the letter of the law, but Satan tricked them into partaking of that law and the curse of the law is you was cursed if you partook of that way and didn't finish it.
Jesus was the only one to finish that law. The wages of sin is death so when Jesus finished the law he didn't have to die for his own sins cause he didn't sin so he gave that perfect spotless life as a ransom to save us from sin. or the law because that is what sin is breaking of the law.
We must live by faith and not the letter of the law if we are going to be saved from sin "breaking of the law"
It is the ones who learn to live by faith that will be saved. The other's will die in their sin
@Sophia Terry Thanks this came to me one night and I couldn't sleep until I figured out what was being delivered to me. I really believe God delivered this to me. I use to think what kind of God would create something so terrible so Man could partake of it and it lead to death. After this was delivered to me I look at God in a totally different light. See Satan didn't lie cause what he said was the truth, but he failed to say why God didn't want them to partake of that tree. It was never meant for flesh man to partake of that law cause the flesh is weak but the spirit is strong.
@texas coot God can be all knowing and not want something to happen but knows it will happen. Just as it is written in Genesis Chapter 6 where it say's; "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." He knew it was going to happen but still it grieved him and made him regret that he had made man on the earth. Just because God knows something will happen he gives us free will to choose between good and evil and partaking of a law that leads to death instead of life.
@texas coot faith is the evidence of things unseen. Not things that don't exsits.
@@suoppsdn9751 hello Steve,
I was wondering why God didn’t just bless people with the knowledge of good and evil to start with. That would have been rather easily accomplished and Adam and Eve would not have had to make the choice of having knowledge. I mean it was the tree of knowledge right? Is that why we as a whole are constantly now seeking knowledge through scientific processes? Is that a throw down to us that we got from Adam and Eve from their decision to eat the fruit?
And why prey tell, would God not want to have humans with out knowledge in the first place. Suppose Adam and Eve had never eaten the fruit of the tree? Would we all be , well less knowledgeable than we are now as humans? Would we be dunces or idiots, or was it just the difference between good and evil that he did not want us to know about? I don’t understand the reasoning… Can you help?
@@mrx1278 It was God's law or the law of the God's. It lead to death not life. Even if they had not eaten of the tree they would have still died because flesh dies. You ask why God didn't share it with them. Why did he not want them to partake of it? It's because it leads to death not only a death of life but also a spiritual death. But if they wouldn't have ate it they would still had died but through faith they would live again. But also we read where God said; The man has become like one of us knowing Good and evil. Then he says; Lest he put his hand forth and also take of the tree of life and eat and live forever. One road leads to eternity and the other leads towards death. You ask why didn't he just share it? Because it leads to death. He told them in the day that you eat you will surely die. He wanted them to live with the hope of living again not this death that there is no hope through that knowledge. He wanted them to live with the knowledge of faith the kind of faith that leads to life. That faith that says I will live again. Even through the sacrifices of animals for forgiveness was through faith and also the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf we have to except with faith.
I am Mormon and am trying to learn the Bible only gospel and I am trying to learn as this video is very helpful.
Go on and may God help and guide you !
Mormonism is a man made religion. Repent and ask for wisdom.
Get out of Mormon church! They have another book they use. We have to believe the true Jesus not a false one.
Are you a Christian as well? It seems like Habakkuk describes a tablet mentioned that didn't make golden light!
Praying you will leave mormonism Matt & worship the one True Living God & that you will read & study only the Holy Bible ... a proper translation like the KJV. May God bless you.
Well that was a long time to say I have no idea......
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Because our Father IS (drumroll) Righteous. He knows everything. So do you seek our Father or do you side with man? Remember your soul counts on the right decision. Mind doesn't cause I accept his only begotten Jesus Christ.
Christ lives in me.
Ebon Collins Well said. Stay strong in Jesus, God Bless.
Get to the point. Where is the short answer?
Something about setting up a plan of future redemption, whilst also ensuring humans acquired free will along the way, I seem to gather. That was so love could be 'freely returned'.
Isaac Muniz short answer. it was for the fallen angels who wanted to repent a tree for them that was evil to good. that is why God made Earth in the void, where he cast the rebellious angels. You should know your God. A God of forgiveness and mercy.
Again, they are cast HERE? Nowhere else was available? Like Venus/prelandra?
Da Phetdala ... That's an interesting statement ... but remember, he's the source of everything ... he's even the source of you. Are you including yourself in that set of all that is misery and evil? Because whatever set you see yourself as being part of ... he's the source of that too.
There is no answer because the question is flawed. Would you ask your anaphylactic son if he would like a peanut? You know what the result would be, so you don't. Unlike god of the old testament, he knows Adam will eat from the tree, but he creates it anyway. He knows Abraham won't kill his son, but he tests him anyway. Just more illogical ridiculousness that is becoming less convincing to more people by the day...
Dear lord Keep us from making any sin! Lord we rebuke Lucifer his demons witches Jezebels out now from your children open there hearts to hear see understand the truth now in your Almighty powerful name Jesus Christ our lord and Savior hallelujah hallelujah Amen. Thank you for this teaching today I understand Thank you 🙏