Also note that in India they save for their daughter wedding once she's born. And Indian weddings are eeellllaaaaabbbooorrraatttee. So the Romas wedding just going back to their roots ✊🏾
In a way the weddings are overcompensating for the 600+ years where we had to get married in rags, and many Roma cant afford weddings like this either, over 80% of Roma live below the poverty line, these weddings are of the rich and well off.
Dude I am so sorry I did not word my comment with better context. The last thing I would ever want to do is add more hate to the comments section, I know you get enough assholes being ignorant and hateful. I love your channel and the second I saw how my comment was read my stomach churned, I fixed it so racists won't think they can find more support for their BS.
For the red ribbon with gold coins - does the Bride keep it? Is there anything similar to a dowery (sp), where the Bride would have certain valuable things she would take into the marriage to help establish the family/household?
@@classicrocklover5615, I believe that, yes, the bride, or rather, the newlywed couple, does get to keep this, as this is given to them to help them at the onset of their new life together.
@@classicrocklover5615 actually in some traditions in india there's something similar. The bride wears a garland of gold coins because women are seen as "Goddess lakshmi " the Goddess of wealth
They're not claiming to be Roma. They're UK travellers (or they also call themselves gypsies) which are an ethnic minority. They're showing their own culture and practices in those shows. There's also Irish travellers who are very similar.
@@alialirrarroa They are Romanichal, but a lot of people who've been on those shows have said that a lot of the stuff is just totally made up for the cameras. (I'm a genealogist, and I was working on a Romanichal family from New Jersey, and realized that the people on the show were related to them. Also, I watched a couple episodes of the show, and one of the women claimed that there were different types of Romany people, and that her family was the kind from Romania. I honestly don't know if she was lying or just ignorant.)
It reminds me of the pageantry and joy of Pride. A marginalised people seizing with both hands the opportunity to rejoice in newfound freedom and prosperity. All power to them.
I was gonna say something similar. It reminds me of the way poor queers put together extravagant outfits in the Ballroom scene. It's always nice to see the way various marginalised groups do what we can to celebrate love and life.
Florian you really do an amazing job at being to describe these people with such well researched knowledge and elegance being able to bring more awareness to these people who are still unfortunately marginalized today and while there is more efforts to mend the damage it’s still a difficult task. I’m glad to come across your videos, thanks.
The red ribbons remind me of the Haars that we wear in our north western Indian weddings! I’d love to learn more about the authentic Romani weddings and where there roots are! The red gowns and the gold are so desi/south asian!!! ❤️❤️
After a point TLC stopped being the learning channel and became the most exploited machine pumping out the most…. 😒 “shows”. Thank you for teaching us about your culture ♥️. As another trying to reconnect to her own it, difficult without people just talking out of their own rears.
Thank you so much for promoting Romani culture & tradition in your channel. I love learning about your people and unlearning what is portrayed in the media even if I did perceive it positively. Ultimately the authenticity and critical analysis in your work is why I really watch your videos every time ✨
I'm Punjabi and have never heard of this in my life. We wear red because it goes back to Hinduism associating red with auspiciousness, abundance, and fertility. All of which a woman brings with her to the family she's marrying into.
Very beautiful wedding outfits! ❤ Thanks a lot for sharing your culture with us! Simply love it! ❤ Indian brides especially in the North also wear red color lehenga-choli (like long skirt-top) with dupatta. And yes lots of Jewellery! However the color & outfit varies as you move towards south, east & west India, which changes to Sari & more bright colors. Same goes for groom's outfit too which varies from sherwani, achkan (long coat like shirts) to kurta-chooridaar payjama to dhoti-kurta or lungi-shirt.
I am so happy to see all these fancily and well dressed romani people after all their ancestors have been through, they deserve to wear gold coins and beautiful dresses. I love your videos about Romani culture ❤
So this like the Romani version of ghetto fabulous. Where because you've lived in scarcity and struggle so long that you want to savor moments of abundance.
Ah I love the red dresses and gold coins. Reminds me a lot of our Greek traditional bridal costumes. Varying by location and ethnic bg (Pontiac, Macedonian, Epirus etc) but gold coins or red details are prevalent in almost all of them. The gold coins mostly symbolizing wealth and success but also showing off the wealth and dawry and red being traditionally (and before westernization and catholic Christianity gained so much ground) symbol or good luck, rebirth and joy.
I love colorful wedding dresses. The brides all looked beautiful, and I liked the gold coins. I've never seen anything like that before. I'm Scotch-Irish(some say Scots-Irish) and in the Irish tradition many brides will wear blue(usually pale blue) dresses. I'm glad that Romani brides today can be decked out. ❤
Rajasthani and Haryanvi culture have that coin necklace however we don’t have that big just small one around the neck of gold coins, it is prominent in rural Rajasthan and Haryana .
Hey i am from morocoo .i do respect and appreciate your culture , as eastern cultures we share a lot in common and as i am happy i find your chanelle . Keep going❤
Those called gypsy in England are often Irish Tinkers. They live a nomadic life but have no relationship to romani. It comes from an old custom of calling anyone who traveled a gypsy. They should make the distinction. Because Tinkers and Romani have very different origins and history.
Romani ppl should wear at their weddings whatever they like and nobody has the right to mock them. Tbh Iike their style and I like how they celebrate their weddings.
I always has a feeling those "G#psy" weddings were VERY suspicious... Also a long time ago, I watched the one vid where the girl's dress was made w/ REAL ALIVE flowers, and it pissed me off, b/c surprise, surprise, when they arrived to the wedding, even after being transported in a special van, all of them died... Rip to those poor flowers
As a writer, I would love to know a bit more about how the storytellers community can properly respect the Romani culture while giving the Romani people proper representation that they deserve
Sometimes, they call themselves travelers? Idk, but I never thought the TLC people were actual Romani, and I know almost nothing about the Romani people or culture.
Well that’s because these are Irish travellers so different group of people. They’re allowed to have their own culture. They also had the g slur used against them historically but have reclaimed it and refer to themselves as such now so maybe that’s where your confusion is coming from here
I wonder, TLC says those were “Gyps**s” but you say they aren’t, so what culture was TLC really showing us? Especially considering Roma people aren’t typically white. Those people from what I’ve seen seem to have something of a culture or At least tradition but it doesn’t seem to be the same as actual Romanian culture. What is it really?
My mom always would tell me “the Romani are beautiful, but people don’t seem to see that” and as I got older I learned more about them and it shook me that people hated so much. Not surprising, but insane. Your videos and culture are wonderful and the haters mean nothing.
As a Gorger I really do love the large weddings, I love how big and extravagant they want their event. I wish I could go it looks beautiful and amazing
no. the romani people are a diaspora from india. the irish travelling community (traditionally called tinkers but that is not really used nowadays) are an ethnic minority originating in ireland. they do have similar cultures in some aspects (migratory lifestyle, separate from most settled folk) but they are two entirely different groups.
the TLC show doesn't usually distinguish the two groups and plays into stereotypes about them extremely heavily. the US version has both romanichal and irish traveller diaspora
Okay, I have a question. I used to watch those reality TV shows. In them, the mothers really stressed purity, marrying, and having babies right away. The girls weren't allowed to go to college or seek higher education. Is there any actual cultural basis for any of it?
Well… I have to disagree, the Irish traveller weddings are absolutely fantastic in their way. The portrayals by the TV producers (all settled people) was racist but I will not have you slighting Mincéir culture, the travelling community has been through enough.
To all who find these weddings tacky or other nonsense - how about the customs and expenses in your own country - too over the top, brides with gowns resembling princess dresses, costing a fortune etc...
I think the misunderstanding here comes from the slur of Gypsy being also used agaisnt Irish Travellers who are the ones who wear the big prom dresses for their weddings.
I love your page. It really feels like the most silenced group on earth is Romani. If I had a million dollars I would fund you visiting school districts to do a lesson
What do you think of Kusturica’s representation of weddings in his movies, and actually the representation as a whole in his movies? I've been following you for a while and haven't seen anything about him, but sorry if you have addressed the subject already! As a Canadian, his movies were the most I “knew” about Roma culture when I was younger, and I think it's the same for so many people. Thank you for your great videos!
Sooooooo if all Romani has their own sort of cultures, doesnt that mean that some prolly arent gonna look like Indian weddings? Like, you say dont put everyone in the same box, then you put them into the same box. Makes no sense.
This is the first time I have heard an actual legitimate justification for an elaborate big wedding.....makes me think of all the quinces I went to as a kid
Best part is He accept every bit, every change and revolution of his culture . In a extremely racist and idotic world where people try to dominate other with " tousand year old" culture. You are refreshing.
The Irish Travelers are the folks in Britain who do the huge , over the top weddings with the wedding dresses and crazy parties. The people in the American version of “My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding” are a specific group of Romnishels (who are Romani via the Uk) who live in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Yes, they are Romani but they only represent a very small faction of Roma/Romani in the US. I don’t believe other Romani people want to be judged solely on the behaviors exhibited on this TV show.
@@fromspace7 The Romani had much more quiet and dignified weddings than the Irish Travelers in the U.K./Irish version of the show. And they also had more quiet and dignified weddings and receptions than the Romnischal featured in the US version of the show. The Romnischals were also a lot rowdier than the Irish Travelers featured in the American show. The Irish Travelers were the rowdy folks in the big dresses in the U.K./Irish version of the show. The Romnischal were the rowdy folks in the giant dresses in the American version of the show. American Irish Travelers are much less rowdy than their Bare Knuckle Boxing counterparts in the U.K. and Ireland. Irish Travelers aren’t Roma, they’re Irish. They are considered a separate ethnic group in the U.K. They are considered a Social Group and not a separate ethnic group, in Ireland. Irish Travelers are often referred to as “Gypsies” in the U.K. (Or Pikeys which is a slur) But they aren’t Roma, even though they share some similarities in their culture. And they both can own horses and have the Vardos. (“Gypsy” wagons) And both the Roma and Irish Travelers go to the Appleby Horse Fair in England once a year. I think there may be some lesser known Horse Fairs in the U.K. that are attended by both Romani and Irish Travelers.
@@katrinaolsen2444yes there are a lot of other UK horse fairs beside Appleby, the best are Kent, Wisbech, Stow and St Boswell. Lots of Vanners and other breeds of horse at all of them of course
In some Eastern European countries, roma were reduced to slavery with the possibility of buying themselves. And carrying a lot of gold on you was a way of showing that you are a free person, capable of buying yourself. The gold that girls wear during weddings is gifts from their parents, part of the wedding trousseau, but also gifts from in-laws. (at least this is the case for my family)
Those programs focus on Irish traveller communities in the UK, no? Not Romani at all. The slur "g****" has been incorrectly applied to 2 disparate groups of people, hence the confusion. And I've never watched the shows, but I have had Irish traveller neighbours my whole life. Theyre good people. And their weddings definitely don't include "prom dresses" because that's not really a term in UK English. Each to their own, hey?
Exactly. I believe more so UK travellers and they lable themselves as Gypisies but yeah the show is about their culture and customs. They're not claiming to be Romani at all.
The US version had a mix of Irish Traveller and Romanichal, but didn't always differentiate between the two. And they almost exclusively focused on people living in Appalachia, which is a whole other set of stereotypes (basically, "hillbilly" stuff -- I'm not sure if that word has made it across the Atlantic), and those stereotypes get mixed into the show as well. And a bunch of people on the show have said that a lot of it was made up -- one of the girls said that they made it seem like she lived in a mobile home, when she actually lived in a regular house and her family just had the mobile home for traveling sometimes.
@@LightTrails Romanichal history in the US is pretty interesting (I don't know as much about Irish Travellers in the US), but none of these shows ever put it into any context. I've seen one or two UA-cam videos about the Stanley family from Dayton, Ohio (who are distantly related to main Romanichal family on the TLC "reality" show) but the Dayton stuff is mostly "spooky" videos from the cemetery where they're buried (which does have a lot of really interesting-looking stones, with poetic inscriptions and gorgeous monuments and so on -- that was one of the first Romanichal families to come to the US, in the 1850s, and they settled in a part of the country that was pretty perfectly situated for horse-trading between people who either bred or tamed horses in the west, and people who sold them in the east, so they were fairly wealthy and could spend a good amount of money on those fancy stones.
This explains why Dick Grayson has had his wedding planned, canonically, since he was a little kid lol He even had designers lined up for would-be bride. Ig he's like if I got money I'm doing my ancestors _proud_ lmaoo
I remember when I had to tell Romani friend about this show and it actually upset them quite a bit..and justifiably so. Those who have seen any of this show will know what I’m talking about
I think it’s fascinating that the traditional wedding dress is red, isn’t that the most traditional colour for an Indian wedding Sari? I wonder if that’s something cultural which was carried from your people’s origin in India. Either way - those dresses are absolutely stunning.
to be honest every time a previously marginalized culture is doing something over the top think about why they do it. with cultures from the caucasus mountains (which i am a part of) going big with interior design and things like that just reflects the fact that were not able to have something like that before and now that they have money they can finally afford it (my father buys a lot of shoes because he often used to walk barefoot)
Those gypsy weddings with extra large prom dress are irish Catholic travellers ... up until satelight tv in their caravans these girls dressed more like amish people very modest .. the entire look of the culture has changed in my life time .
I genuinely don't understand why people view things that are over the top as bad especially when it comes to weddings like weddings should be over the top it's a special day of love and unity
The Romani bori wearing and receiving gold would be very practical as well, I imagine. If you are being persecuted and are not allowed to settle anywhere, Gold is portable, can be hidden, can be reshaped, passed down, and is accepted in any country.
I think even the less elaborate wedding gowns would be made of best of fabrics. I'm white finn and don't know a lot about romani culture, but I think finnish kale have very beautiful clothes. I was so confused as a kid why everyone was acting as romani women wearing their national dress was somehow "not good" when the women looked like princesses.
I respect and enjoy Your Passion for your culture and people I cannot stand how the SCREEN WRITERS OF HOLLYWIERD AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIAS ALWAYS PASS THEIR RACISTS AND IGNORANT OPIONS AS TRUTH...I AM BOTH A DAUGHTER OF THE FRIST NATION AND PACIFIC ISLANDER....YEP PEOPLE ALWAYS ASKING ME WHAT ARE YOU....I KNOW MY ROOTS...MY NANA passed on our families stories and traditions......my trun for my clan....KEEP UP THE FIGHT TO STOP IGNORANCE....❤
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Also note that in India they save for their daughter wedding once she's born. And Indian weddings are eeellllaaaaabbbooorrraatttee. So the Romas wedding just going back to their roots ✊🏾
Literally what I was thinking. South Asian weddings are elaborate and decking yourself in gold is standard
That's right!
@@user-po3nr7ez3npeople do that all over the world tho. in europe, west asia, africa etc
Hey they couldn’t afford to send her to college but at least she gets to ride an elephant at her wedding 💀
No wonder they can afford such huge weddings! Very good idea, honestly.
In a way the weddings are overcompensating for the 600+ years where we had to get married in rags, and many Roma cant afford weddings like this either, over 80% of Roma live below the poverty line, these weddings are of the rich and well off.
Dude I am so sorry I did not word my comment with better context. The last thing I would ever want to do is add more hate to the comments section, I know you get enough assholes being ignorant and hateful. I love your channel and the second I saw how my comment was read my stomach churned, I fixed it so racists won't think they can find more support for their BS.
For the red ribbon with gold coins - does the Bride keep it? Is there anything similar to a dowery (sp), where the Bride would have certain valuable things she would take into the marriage to help establish the family/household?
@@classicrocklover5615, I believe that, yes, the bride, or rather, the newlywed couple, does get to keep this, as this is given to them to help them at the onset of their new life together.
@@classicrocklover5615 actually in some traditions in india there's something similar. The bride wears a garland of gold coins because women are seen as "Goddess lakshmi " the Goddess of wealth
Coin necklaces are famous traditional jewellery in many parts of India
Im so glad someone romani is talking about this. My mother watched this show religiously and still uses it as a reference for the culture.
They're not claiming to be Roma. They're UK travellers (or they also call themselves gypsies) which are an ethnic minority. They're showing their own culture and practices in those shows. There's also Irish travellers who are very similar.
@@moonwalker98787the Stanley family claims to be romanichials
my mom hates it but still thinks this is what roma people are like because of the representation in the show
@@alialirrarroa They are Romanichal, but a lot of people who've been on those shows have said that a lot of the stuff is just totally made up for the cameras. (I'm a genealogist, and I was working on a Romanichal family from New Jersey, and realized that the people on the show were related to them. Also, I watched a couple episodes of the show, and one of the women claimed that there were different types of Romany people, and that her family was the kind from Romania. I honestly don't know if she was lying or just ignorant.)
Just so you know, I truly apappreciate this information cause TLC is not about educating about this beautiful culture
Instead of calling them g- another term for the people on TLC is white trash
It reminds me of the pageantry and joy of Pride. A marginalised people seizing with both hands the opportunity to rejoice in newfound freedom and prosperity. All power to them.
I was gonna say something similar. It reminds me of the way poor queers put together extravagant outfits in the Ballroom scene. It's always nice to see the way various marginalised groups do what we can to celebrate love and life.
Those are absolutely gorgeous dresses,the women look stunning in them and the gowns compliment their beauty
Florian you really do an amazing job at being to describe these people with such well researched knowledge and elegance being able to bring more awareness to these people who are still unfortunately marginalized today and while there is more efforts to mend the damage it’s still a difficult task. I’m glad to come across your videos, thanks.
The red ribbons remind me of the Haars that we wear in our north western Indian weddings! I’d love to learn more about the authentic Romani weddings and where there roots are! The red gowns and the gold are so desi/south asian!!! ❤️❤️
The red ribbon with coins looked gorgeous though 🥰
After a point TLC stopped being the learning channel and became the most exploited machine pumping out the most…. 😒 “shows”. Thank you for teaching us about your culture ♥️. As another trying to reconnect to her own it, difficult without people just talking out of their own rears.
exploitative
TLC used to be a learning channel like PBS?!🤯
@@RobynhoodlumYes! TLC literally stands for "The Learning Channel"
Those wedding dresses are so beautiful.
These weddings look gorgeous!
Thank you so much for promoting Romani culture & tradition in your channel. I love learning about your people and unlearning what is portrayed in the media even if I did perceive it positively. Ultimately the authenticity and critical analysis in your work is why I really watch your videos every time ✨
Woah! Those wedding dresses are so gorgeous!!
These weddings are so beautiful!
You are first person in my whole life who explains your culture in nice ways. 😚🤗☺️💜🇵🇱💪🏻
The red ribbon necklace part sounds much like the Punjabi wedding association of red with purity
I'm Punjabi and have never heard of this in my life. We wear red because it goes back to Hinduism associating red with auspiciousness, abundance, and fertility. All of which a woman brings with her to the family she's marrying into.
Very beautiful wedding outfits! ❤ Thanks a lot for sharing your culture with us! Simply love it! ❤
Indian brides especially in the North also wear red color lehenga-choli (like long skirt-top) with dupatta. And yes lots of Jewellery! However the color & outfit varies as you move towards south, east & west India, which changes to Sari & more bright colors. Same goes for groom's outfit too which varies from sherwani, achkan (long coat like shirts) to kurta-chooridaar payjama to dhoti-kurta or lungi-shirt.
those gowns are beautiful they’re so colorful !!
I am Indian and we also deck out our brides in red and gold!
I am so happy to see all these fancily and well dressed romani people after all their ancestors have been through, they deserve to wear gold coins and beautiful dresses. I love your videos about Romani culture ❤
Beautiful. I love the red dresses.
Your culture is so interesting, dawg. keep this shit up
Amazing and gorgeous weddings!!
This has a very fuck it i have earned it vibe and thats amazing
So this like the Romani version of ghetto fabulous. Where because you've lived in scarcity and struggle so long that you want to savor moments of abundance.
Ah I love the red dresses and gold coins. Reminds me a lot of our Greek traditional bridal costumes. Varying by location and ethnic bg (Pontiac, Macedonian, Epirus etc) but gold coins or red details are prevalent in almost all of them. The gold coins mostly symbolizing wealth and success but also showing off the wealth and dawry and red being traditionally (and before westernization and catholic Christianity gained so much ground) symbol or good luck, rebirth and joy.
The Romani cultural dress is beautiful
I am so glad you cleared this up.
I think there something very touching and joyful about having big beautiful weddings when your ancestors couldn't. It feels like a victory ❤
I love colorful wedding dresses. The brides all looked beautiful, and I liked the gold coins. I've never seen anything like that before. I'm Scotch-Irish(some say Scots-Irish) and in the Irish tradition many brides will wear blue(usually pale blue) dresses. I'm glad that Romani brides today can be decked out. ❤
I appreciate your channel so so SO much.
Rajasthani and Haryanvi culture have that coin necklace however we don’t have that big just small one around the neck of gold coins, it is prominent in rural Rajasthan and Haryana .
Sounds Beautiful ❤
These ceremonies are gorgeous!
Hey i am from morocoo .i do respect and appreciate your culture , as eastern cultures we share a lot in common and as i am happy i find your chanelle .
Keep going❤
That's really cool.
Thanks 😊
Those called gypsy in England are often Irish Tinkers. They live a nomadic life but have no relationship to romani.
It comes from an old custom of calling anyone who traveled a gypsy.
They should make the distinction. Because Tinkers and Romani have very different origins and history.
Thank you so much for explaining this to the people,from your fellow Roma😘
Beautiful!
I think it is because the TV shows are about UK travellers and not about Romani people. Not the same.
Romani ppl should wear at their weddings whatever they like and nobody has the right to mock them. Tbh Iike their style and I like how they celebrate their weddings.
I always has a feeling those "G#psy" weddings were VERY suspicious...
Also a long time ago, I watched the one vid where the girl's dress was made w/ REAL ALIVE flowers, and it pissed me off, b/c surprise, surprise, when they arrived to the wedding, even after being transported in a special van, all of them died...
Rip to those poor flowers
yessss i LOVE over the top wedding dresses and jewels/gold/silver everywhere
As a writer, I would love to know a bit more about how the storytellers community can properly respect the Romani culture while giving the Romani people proper representation that they deserve
Sometimes, they call themselves travelers? Idk, but I never thought the TLC people were actual Romani, and I know almost nothing about the Romani people or culture.
The way they portray Irish traveler weddings are also routed in stereotypes
they deserve all the gold!!!!!!
Well that’s because these are Irish travellers so different group of people. They’re allowed to have their own culture. They also had the g slur used against them historically but have reclaimed it and refer to themselves as such now so maybe that’s where your confusion is coming from here
I wonder, TLC says those were “Gyps**s” but you say they aren’t, so what culture was TLC really showing us? Especially considering Roma people aren’t typically white. Those people from what I’ve seen seem to have something of a culture or At least tradition but it doesn’t seem to be the same as actual Romanian culture. What is it really?
My mom always would tell me “the Romani are beautiful, but people don’t seem to see that” and as I got older I learned more about them and it shook me that people hated so much. Not surprising, but insane. Your videos and culture are wonderful and the haters mean nothing.
As a Gorger I really do love the large weddings, I love how big and extravagant they want their event. I wish I could go it looks beautiful and amazing
I don’t know why shows don’t just have Romani weddings with the real modern days dresses because they are absolutely GORGEOUS
I think they're talking about Irish travellers
I always thought the TLC was about Irish travelers not Romani. Are the two groups related?
no. the romani people are a diaspora from india. the irish travelling community (traditionally called tinkers but that is not really used nowadays) are an ethnic minority originating in ireland. they do have similar cultures in some aspects (migratory lifestyle, separate from most settled folk) but they are two entirely different groups.
the TLC show doesn't usually distinguish the two groups and plays into stereotypes about them extremely heavily. the US version has both romanichal and irish traveller diaspora
Beautiful people.......❤❤❤❤❤
Can you make a short about formosans? 🙃 I’d love to see my culture a bit more represented! ❤
Bro it's ancient Indian culture to wear lots of gold on wedding. You just reverted to your original traditions ❤
I SAY YES, TO SLAY! ❤
Over the top and elegant are very nice ❤
Okay, I have a question. I used to watch those reality TV shows. In them, the mothers really stressed purity, marrying, and having babies right away. The girls weren't allowed to go to college or seek higher education. Is there any actual cultural basis for any of it?
Well… I have to disagree, the Irish traveller weddings are absolutely fantastic in their way.
The portrayals by the TV producers (all settled people) was racist but I will not have you slighting Mincéir culture, the travelling community has been through enough.
To all who find these weddings tacky or other nonsense - how about the customs and expenses in your own country - too over the top, brides with gowns resembling princess dresses, costing a fortune etc...
I think the misunderstanding here comes from the slur of Gypsy being also used agaisnt Irish Travellers who are the ones who wear the big prom dresses for their weddings.
I love your page. It really feels like the most silenced group on earth is Romani. If I had a million dollars I would fund you visiting school districts to do a lesson
😢 I am happy about this info. I did not do reseatrch and had a negative impression of modern Romani women.
Cool video! Could you do one focusing on grooms?
What do you think of Kusturica’s representation of weddings in his movies, and actually the representation as a whole in his movies? I've been following you for a while and haven't seen anything about him, but sorry if you have addressed the subject already! As a Canadian, his movies were the most I “knew” about Roma culture when I was younger, and I think it's the same for so many people. Thank you for your great videos!
Sooooooo if all Romani has their own sort of cultures, doesnt that mean that some prolly arent gonna look like Indian weddings? Like, you say dont put everyone in the same box, then you put them into the same box. Makes no sense.
This is the first time I have heard an actual legitimate justification for an elaborate big wedding.....makes me think of all the quinces I went to as a kid
There so, beautiful, they look like goddesses, i love them.
What is your opinion on songs that use the term ‘gypsy’? Such as ‘Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves’ by Dervish or No Roots by Alice Merton? /gen
Love me a tiara!
Aren't those tv weddings from irish traveler families instead of Roma? I just saw some (not my kind of tv) so i might be mistaken
Red dress is strikingly similar to Indian wedding drees Laal Joda✌️and also Indians love wearing lots of Gold in their wedding
Best part is He accept every bit, every change and revolution of his culture . In a extremely racist and idotic world where people try to dominate other with " tousand year old" culture. You are refreshing.
if Romani weddings are this gorgeous i wanna see a Romani Prom dress
I think youre mixing Irish gypsies up with Roma. Irish gypsies do get married in huge dresses
The Irish Travelers are the folks in Britain who do the huge , over the top weddings with the wedding dresses and crazy parties. The people in the American version of “My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding” are a specific group of Romnishels (who are Romani via the Uk) who live in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Yes, they are Romani but they only represent a very small faction of Roma/Romani in the US. I don’t believe other Romani people want to be judged solely on the behaviors exhibited on this TV show.
There were also romani gypsies on those shows
@@fromspace7 The Romani had much more quiet and dignified weddings than the Irish Travelers in the U.K./Irish version of the show. And they also had more quiet and dignified weddings and receptions than the Romnischal featured in the US version of the show. The Romnischals were also a lot rowdier than the Irish Travelers featured in the American show. The Irish Travelers were the rowdy folks in the big dresses in the U.K./Irish version of the show. The Romnischal were the rowdy folks in the giant dresses in the American version of the show. American Irish Travelers are much less rowdy than their Bare Knuckle Boxing counterparts in the U.K. and Ireland. Irish Travelers aren’t Roma, they’re Irish. They are considered a separate ethnic group in the U.K. They are considered a Social Group and not a separate ethnic group, in Ireland. Irish Travelers are often referred to as “Gypsies” in the U.K. (Or Pikeys which is a slur) But they aren’t Roma, even though they share some similarities in their culture. And they both can own horses and have the Vardos. (“Gypsy” wagons) And both the Roma and Irish Travelers go to the Appleby Horse Fair in England once a year. I think there may be some lesser known Horse Fairs in the U.K. that are attended by both Romani and Irish Travelers.
@@fromspace7Like a Pastor Anthony's family.
@@katrinaolsen2444yes there are a lot of other UK horse fairs beside Appleby, the best are Kent, Wisbech, Stow and St Boswell. Lots of Vanners and other breeds of horse at all of them of course
In some Eastern European countries, roma were reduced to slavery with the possibility of buying themselves. And carrying a lot of gold on you was a way of showing that you are a free person, capable of buying yourself.
The gold that girls wear during weddings is gifts from their parents, part of the wedding trousseau, but also gifts from in-laws. (at least this is the case for my family)
Not to be rude, but I’ve heard Romani culture can be very misogynistic (my Romani friend who’s a woman told me this) could you talk about this?
Those programs focus on Irish traveller communities in the UK, no? Not Romani at all. The slur "g****" has been incorrectly applied to 2 disparate groups of people, hence the confusion. And I've never watched the shows, but I have had Irish traveller neighbours my whole life. Theyre good people. And their weddings definitely don't include "prom dresses" because that's not really a term in UK English. Each to their own, hey?
Exactly. I believe more so UK travellers and they lable themselves as Gypisies but yeah the show is about their culture and customs. They're not claiming to be Romani at all.
The US version had a mix of Irish Traveller and Romanichal, but didn't always differentiate between the two. And they almost exclusively focused on people living in Appalachia, which is a whole other set of stereotypes (basically, "hillbilly" stuff -- I'm not sure if that word has made it across the Atlantic), and those stereotypes get mixed into the show as well. And a bunch of people on the show have said that a lot of it was made up -- one of the girls said that they made it seem like she lived in a mobile home, when she actually lived in a regular house and her family just had the mobile home for traveling sometimes.
@@callalily3994 Oh no, that's terrible.
@@LightTrails Romanichal history in the US is pretty interesting (I don't know as much about Irish Travellers in the US), but none of these shows ever put it into any context. I've seen one or two UA-cam videos about the Stanley family from Dayton, Ohio (who are distantly related to main Romanichal family on the TLC "reality" show) but the Dayton stuff is mostly "spooky" videos from the cemetery where they're buried (which does have a lot of really interesting-looking stones, with poetic inscriptions and gorgeous monuments and so on -- that was one of the first Romanichal families to come to the US, in the 1850s, and they settled in a part of the country that was pretty perfectly situated for horse-trading between people who either bred or tamed horses in the west, and people who sold them in the east, so they were fairly wealthy and could spend a good amount of money on those fancy stones.
@callalily3994 in Ireland many do live in mobile homes, some in houses too and many live together in housing estates specifically for travellers.
Welcome back to the red and gold. Love from the motherland
So being someone who is mixed romani and Irish traveller the "racist" people and outfits on TV are part of the Irish traveller tradition.
This explains why Dick Grayson has had his wedding planned, canonically, since he was a little kid lol
He even had designers lined up for would-be bride. Ig he's like if I got money I'm doing my ancestors _proud_ lmaoo
Romani and Romanichal aren’t the same thing. You yourself have made that distinction.
Romanichal are a subgroup of Romani people
Red brings good luck. Most Indian brides wear red too. Red and gold jewellery that is a traditional Indian wedding for most parts of India.
I remember when I had to tell Romani friend about this show and it actually upset them quite a bit..and justifiably so. Those who have seen any of this show will know what I’m talking about
I think it’s fascinating that the traditional wedding dress is red, isn’t that the most traditional colour for an Indian wedding Sari?
I wonder if that’s something cultural which was carried from your people’s origin in India. Either way - those dresses are absolutely stunning.
to be honest every time a previously marginalized culture is doing something over the top think about why they do it. with cultures from the caucasus mountains (which i am a part of) going big with interior design and things like that just reflects the fact that were not able to have something like that before and now that they have money they can finally afford it (my father buys a lot of shoes because he often used to walk barefoot)
Those gypsy weddings with extra large prom dress are irish Catholic travellers ... up until satelight tv in their caravans these girls dressed more like amish people very modest .. the entire look of the culture has changed in my life time .
I genuinely don't understand why people view things that are over the top as bad especially when it comes to weddings like weddings should be over the top it's a special day of love and unity
The Romani bori wearing and receiving gold would be very practical as well, I imagine. If you are being persecuted and are not allowed to settle anywhere, Gold is portable, can be hidden, can be reshaped, passed down, and is accepted in any country.
Their weddings take place at the courthouse
I think even the less elaborate wedding gowns would be made of best of fabrics. I'm white finn and don't know a lot about romani culture, but I think finnish kale have very beautiful clothes. I was so confused as a kid why everyone was acting as romani women wearing their national dress was somehow "not good" when the women looked like princesses.
Someone finally said it. I swear watching that show was like watching hill billy’s get dressed for the hoedown 🫠💀
What does the colour red mean in Roma weddings?
Weddings everywhere are over the top.
I respect and enjoy
Your Passion for your culture and people
I cannot stand how the SCREEN WRITERS OF HOLLYWIERD AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIAS ALWAYS PASS THEIR RACISTS AND IGNORANT OPIONS AS TRUTH...I AM BOTH A DAUGHTER OF THE FRIST NATION AND PACIFIC ISLANDER....YEP PEOPLE ALWAYS ASKING ME WHAT ARE YOU....I KNOW MY ROOTS...MY NANA passed on our families stories and traditions......my trun for my clan....KEEP UP THE FIGHT TO STOP IGNORANCE....❤
Who are the people featured on those shows then?
First marriage wedding I went traditional despite the bride wanting a more Amerikané glad I did
Make sense to me😊