This talked a lot about how Lamar had 400 more yards than Allen. I think this stat is misleading. Josh sat for 11 Quarters this season. That's almost 3 entire games. He was able to sit so much because he took a dominant lead early and didn't have to do his best to stay ahead or catch up. If Josh had played for those 11 Quarters, I don't think there would be any doubt on who the MVP is.
I agree and he Allen sat out the last game. And I hate that they left this out. Alan had more rushing touchdowns than Lamar. Lamar has only four rushing touchdowns. Josh Allen has 12 .
I agree and he Allen sat out the last game. And I hate that they left this out. Alan had more rushing touchdowns than Lamar. Lamar has only four rushing touchdowns. Josh Allen has 12 .
I call bull crap on a total passing yards. Josh Allen sat out the last game of the season because he wasn’t needed Lamar Jackson still had something to play for. Josh Allen also sat out for the fourth quarter of many games while Lamar Jackson did not.
Again, I’m calling bull crap. You talk about passing touchdowns. While you forgot to say rushing touchdowns while Alan had 12 making him more versatile, Jackson only had four while versatile. It’s not close touch Josh Allen’s 12.
Why would it matter who was more important to their team. Its the most valuable player, as in which player holds the most value in the league overall, not just to their team. If it were lik your saying then it would be a burrow or Saquon MVP
I agree with you if buffalo did not have Josh Allen. They would probably have a losing record but the ravens without Lamar Jackson they still have Derek, Henry and Zay flowers. They would have a winning record.
If these numbers where reversed it wouldn't even be a conversation allan would be unanimous mvp. Lamar historical season never been done. Allan above average season. Thats the difference
Now remember, Delvin Cook gets upset when you ask who does Josh have. Delvin seen what his brother has done. Little brother Cook ran for over 1000 yards.
So are we not gonna talk about how people were saying that stats don’t matter last year when Josh Allen had better stats. Now this year everything is about stats and stats that.
Josh Allen had 18 ints last year and came in 5th in mvp voting, Lamar carried his team to the 1st seed with amazing stats so it was a no brainer. This year there the 2 and 3 seed and Lamar’s having one of the greatest QB seasons of all time, so yea stats matter this year more then last year
Delusional to think Allen was going to win with 18 ints, more ints then games played and you think he was going to be given a mvp? He finished 5th in mvp voting last year lmao
@@guyfromnewark bro, you can’t just say it the Lions, who made it to the NFC championship 49ers who made it to the Super Bowl Chiefs, who made it to the Super Bowl ravens who made it to the AFC championship
@@haydenfrentz170 I was waiting on someone to say this. How many int and turnovers did Allen have last year? It was like 18 +You cannot be the most valuable player if you consistently give the ball back to the opposing team giving them opportunities to beat you.
@ totally fair… but with that… Allen is doing a little under what Lamar’s doing but Allen’s doing it with way less and without Henry… plus again, Lamar has more negative yards and turnovers than Allen… So doesn’t that full understanding “turning over too much” in comparison?
Yep....he's bias for Lamar. What he says isnt wrong, but imcomplete. Ex. Lamar protects the ball better then josh cuz of the interception (6 to 4). But what about that fact lamar has fumble (lost) more then josh. Overall, allen has less turnovers then Lamar. This isnt a serious convo. He's bias.
Well let me give you guys a stat that you may not even be aware of in the so-called 5 bad games Lamar Jackson had the Ravens lost all five games in the 7 bad games Josh Allen head Bay managed to still win five of those seven games including the game when he went 8 for 30 they still won that means that the Buffalo bills are less dependent on Josh Allen having a good performance where are the Ravens have to have a good performance on Lamar Jackson to win access the NFL MVP award is given to the most valuable player in the league Lamar Jackson will win it
@ if you think that you dead wrong for example if a qb had 5k throwing yards and another qb got 4k throwing yards you can say that the first qb is better but you also gotta see the wr stats so qb that had 5k throwing yards may have 2 1k receiving wr and the 4k might not even have one so at that point their even so now we look at the yards after catch so now the qb with 5k throwing yards may have 5k throwing yards but one of the receivers on his team has 1000+ yards after catch and another with 500+ and that’s already 1500 yards knocked off his actual throwing yards so he really only thrown 3500 throwing yards with just 2 receivers down plus all the other wr with yards after catch and the qb with 4k throwing yards has wr with 200-500 yards after catch so he would have more throwing yards than the one with 5k throwing yards now that the yards are over tds one may get 50 or one may get 40 but how much of those tds were actually by the qb for another example qb is on the 99 yard line and throws a check down and the wr scores that’s not the QBs fault he scored the wr did all the work but the td still goes to the wr so that’s why stats really don’t show anything unless you actually watch football
How you play in the easiest division in the league constantly playing cupcake teams an be a turnover machine like josh allen has been. Of course allen will have the stats but you should've be praised for causing a turnover which forces you to play even harder to Over come that mistake by well....scoring meaning more stats. This year he finally cut his turnovers down an now hes actually sitting multiple 4th quarters but here the thing...HE SHOULD BE SITTING MULTIPLE 4TH QUARTERS!! Imagine playing the jets, patriots ,dolphins every year twice on top of playing the jaguars,colts,titans this year. 5 of 6 of these teams will have a top 10 draft pic. "We beat the lions an chiefs" fine... but the bills are the only team that when they play they have a bye week due to the competition being so bad. So yall go into these games against actual good teams an yall are so much more refreshed mentality an physically.
The problem here is that Lamar won it last year while Josh had better stats. All the arguments that won Lamar the MVP last year are being used against Josh this year and all the arguments used against Josh last year are being used for Lamar this year. This is all happening after the first half of the season the race was between Josh and Saquon Barkley. I also like how everyone ignores how Lamar has fumbled twice as much as Josh and lost more than twice as many fumbles as Josh has. Oh, BTW, some of your graphics say "YRADS" instead of "YARDS".
This isn't actually a real argument. Josh wasn't even the second in MVP voting last year. His stats were worse last year as well, he had 23 turnovers. Dak and Purdy could have won but they had some really terrible games down the stretch. Lamar didn't win last year because he was great, he won because everyone else was shit as well. It was a down year. This year isn't.
@@James-cp9uh That doesn't prove me wrong. Everything they were saying for Lamar and against Josh last year is being swapped and all the arguments are being used in reverse now. Keep ignoring the fumbles too.
You can't win MVP if you lead the league in turnovers as a QB who averaged over a turnover a game putting pressure on your defense to have to get you out of a hole EVERY SINGLE GAME. Plain and simple logic.
@@TrillVilla5 And this year Lamar has more turnovers. A few less interceptions but twice as many fumbles. This isn't about MVP. It's about bias and popularity, which is what I said from the beginning, and you are proving it.
@@darthstigater6642not really. Last year lamar had 49 votes it wasn’t a contest. Allen wasn’t in the running last year. Also Lamar’s production offsets the fumbles, also his o line has allowed more qb pressures
Josh has good players but if we remove Josh bills are so bad and ass James cook leads the league in rushing tds with 16 in regular season and 18 all season I think Lamar has Henry with 2k rushing yards and 16+ rushing tds ash they both have good run games and good running backs but again if you were to take out the qb the ravens would still be good but the bills on the other hand would maybe win 1-3 games a season
A bit of a biased take my friend. Look at the record books.. Allen beats Lamar in almost every category. Drafted same year. Allen has 60 more TD"s over Lamar--that matters!. More playoff appearances and wins. First player in history with 40+ TD's in 5 consecutive seasons. Most playoff rushing hards for a QB in history--Lamar #2. This year Lamar has more TOTAL turnovers when you include fumbles. Last year Josh destroyed Lamar in all categories but somehow Lamar still won MVP based on wins. Let them decide it on the field this weekend.
Also, Allen accounted for 80% of BIll's offense. Lamar only accounted for 68% of his offense. Allen only had 1 pro-bowler beside himself. Lamar had 8 other pro-bowlers. Henry also had a better year than Saquon Barkley based on avg yards per carry and having 40 fewer carries.
Again, Receiver separation. Lamar's receivers avg 4.5 yards of separation versus the Bill's receivers averaging 3.5 yards. Josh needed to be more accurate.
@@dwightsnowden8137 Then why does Lamar have a higher completion percentage in tight coverage, mid coverage, and low coverage passes? Also its a main season award, playoffs dont matter at all, records like most tds over 5 seasons dont matter at all. Lamar had a historic season, threw more tds, more yards, ran for more yards, while playing less snaps. I dont think that its possible to deny lamar this mvp, he was absolutely fantastic, all with an arguably harder schedule than josh allen.
u wrote all that to say a whole lot of nothing, u mentioned stats that have nothing to do with the current year so there irrelevant, Josh Allen had 18 ints last year and finished 5th in mvp voting. pro bowl is voted by fans not skills, Lamar has the highest receiver separation becuase he has the longest time spent in the pocket extending plays being athletic. You also fail to mention Tha bills have one of the easiest schedules each year and yet Allen’s 2-3 against winning teams. The ravens have one of the toughest schedules and yet Lamar put up on of the greatest qb seasons OAT. It’s no debate which is why he one All pro 1st team and is going to be MVP.
This talked a lot about how Lamar had 400 more yards than Allen. I think this stat is misleading. Josh sat for 11 Quarters this season. That's almost 3 entire games. He was able to sit so much because he took a dominant lead early and didn't have to do his best to stay ahead or catch up. If Josh had played for those 11 Quarters, I don't think there would be any doubt on who the MVP is.
I agree and he Allen sat out the last game. And I hate that they left this out. Alan had more rushing touchdowns than Lamar. Lamar has only four rushing touchdowns. Josh Allen has 12 .
I agree and he Allen sat out the last game. And I hate that they left this out. Alan had more rushing touchdowns than Lamar. Lamar has only four rushing touchdowns. Josh Allen has 12 .
I call bull crap on a total passing yards. Josh Allen sat out the last game of the season because he wasn’t needed Lamar Jackson still had something to play for. Josh Allen also sat out for the fourth quarter of many games while Lamar Jackson did not.
Again, I’m calling bull crap. You talk about passing touchdowns. While you forgot to say rushing touchdowns while Alan had 12 making him more versatile, Jackson only had four while versatile. It’s not close touch Josh Allen’s 12.
@@richardvacanti9428Tush push, really. 😂😂😂
75 % of your analysis is not much of use for deciding an MVP Winner. Your time should have been spent on the importance the two are to their team.
Why would it matter who was more important to their team. Its the most valuable player, as in which player holds the most value in the league overall, not just to their team. If it were lik your saying then it would be a burrow or Saquon MVP
I agree with you if buffalo did not have Josh Allen. They would probably have a losing record but the ravens without Lamar Jackson they still have Derek, Henry and Zay flowers. They would have a winning record.
If these numbers where reversed it wouldn't even be a conversation allan would be unanimous mvp. Lamar historical season never been done. Allan above average season. Thats the difference
You did not mention several All-Time NFL Records Allen broke this year. Maybe you did same with Jackson. What is up with that ?
Allen had better Stats last year than Jackson. Who won the MVP. Stats do not make an MVP Winner. Are you aware ?
The schedules were different and Josh had 18 interceptions
Plus Lamar’s stats this year are so insanely good it’s hard not mention that they are better in virtually every aspect
Josh Allen had 22 turnovers last year
He had 18 picks and 25 turnovers, that’s not mvp worthy
Bro lamar literally had to go threw the fucking gauntlet this year and last year. He outplayed Allen like crazy
Now remember, Delvin Cook gets upset when you ask who does Josh have. Delvin seen what his brother has done. Little brother Cook ran for over 1000 yards.
So are we not gonna talk about how people were saying that stats don’t matter last year when Josh Allen had better stats. Now this year everything is about stats and stats that.
Josh Allen had 18 ints last year and came in 5th in mvp voting, Lamar carried his team to the 1st seed with amazing stats so it was a no brainer. This year there the 2 and 3 seed and Lamar’s having one of the greatest QB seasons of all time, so yea stats matter this year more then last year
Delusional to think Allen was going to win with 18 ints, more ints then games played and you think he was going to be given a mvp? He finished 5th in mvp voting last year lmao
Of the two, which one carries their team more than the other.? I am not sure if you had asked and answered this all important queation.
I mean lamar literally couldn’t have done more than he did.
For the Ravens its Lamar. For the Bills its the schedule makers.
@@guyfromnewark bro, you can’t just say it the Lions, who made it to the NFC championship 49ers who made it to the Super Bowl Chiefs, who made it to the Super Bowl ravens who made it to the AFC championship
@@Ctwerp32 3 teams that's it? Well one of the teams he lost to is about to embarrass him again
@@guyfromnewark that was all back to back and we also played the rams another playoff team
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so were just going to ignore Derek Henry's 1900 rushing yards
The fact he had 4,000 yards pass g and almost a 1000 yards rushing on top of what Henry did is crazy MVP that boi
What about almost 3 games worth of time Allen didn’t play due to big leads?
What about Lamar’s fumbles and negative plays??
Yet he outplayed Josh in every category statistically except for those gimme tush push tds in the end zone.
@ Allen outplayed Lamar in a handful of categories/ stats last year and they still give the MVP to Lamar 😂
@@haydenfrentz170 I was waiting on someone to say this. How many int and turnovers did Allen have last year? It was like 18 +You cannot be the most valuable player if you consistently give the ball back to the opposing team giving them opportunities to beat you.
@ totally fair… but with that… Allen is doing a little under what Lamar’s doing but Allen’s doing it with way less and without Henry… plus again, Lamar has more negative yards and turnovers than Allen… So doesn’t that full understanding “turning over too much” in comparison?
@@death2beta843Exactly enough said. Lamar is the MVP
If Jackson wins the mvp, the league is racist.
I heard all this with that being said im a eagle fan lamar is the mvp josh still had a 1000 yard back with 16tds
Bro why is no one talking about joshes COOKED team he and cook lead plus Josh has so many rookies
Any one notice “Tochdowns” 😂
Yep....he's bias for Lamar. What he says isnt wrong, but imcomplete. Ex. Lamar protects the ball better then josh cuz of the interception (6 to 4). But what about that fact lamar has fumble (lost) more then josh. Overall, allen has less turnovers then Lamar. This isnt a serious convo. He's bias.
Well let me give you guys a stat that you may not even be aware of in the so-called 5 bad games Lamar Jackson had the Ravens lost all five games in the 7 bad games Josh Allen head Bay managed to still win five of those seven games including the game when he went 8 for 30 they still won that means that the Buffalo bills are less dependent on Josh Allen having a good performance where are the Ravens have to have a good performance on Lamar Jackson to win access the NFL MVP award is given to the most valuable player in the league Lamar Jackson will win it
So this is not about MVP at all lmaoooo. This is about stats. MVP is Allen, OPOY is Lamar
OPOTY is Saquon Barkley the MVP is Josh it Lamar either you win the mvp or you get nothing
@Cevbs12Lamar is first team all pro in the same division as Allen. Meaning he’s better at his position this year, making him a better player.
@ mvp is not the best player in the league it’s the most valuable tho two completely separate trophies and awards
@Cevbs12 doesn’t most valuable mean best?
@ if you think that you dead wrong for example if a qb had 5k throwing yards and another qb got 4k throwing yards you can say that the first qb is better but you also gotta see the wr stats so qb that had 5k throwing yards may have 2 1k receiving wr and the 4k might not even have one so at that point their even so now we look at the yards after catch so now the qb with 5k throwing yards may have 5k throwing yards but one of the receivers on his team has 1000+ yards after catch and another with 500+ and that’s already 1500 yards knocked off his actual throwing yards so he really only thrown 3500 throwing yards with just 2 receivers down plus all the other wr with yards after catch and the qb with 4k throwing yards has wr with 200-500 yards after catch so he would have more throwing yards than the one with 5k throwing yards now that the yards are over tds one may get 50 or one may get 40 but how much of those tds were actually by the qb for another example qb is on the 99 yard line and throws a check down and the wr scores that’s not the QBs fault he scored the wr did all the work but the td still goes to the wr so that’s why stats really don’t show anything unless you actually watch football
Valdez-scantling is not on the bills bro
he was for a few games at the beginning of the season
He was released after a couple games this season
He was
How you play in the easiest division in the league constantly playing cupcake teams an be a turnover machine like josh allen has been. Of course allen will have the stats but you should've be praised for causing a turnover which forces you to play even harder to Over come that mistake by well....scoring meaning more stats. This year he finally cut his turnovers down an now hes actually sitting multiple 4th quarters but here the thing...HE SHOULD BE SITTING MULTIPLE 4TH QUARTERS!! Imagine playing the jets, patriots ,dolphins every year twice on top of playing the jaguars,colts,titans this year. 5 of 6 of these teams will have a top 10 draft pic. "We beat the lions an chiefs" fine... but the bills are the only team that when they play they have a bye week due to the competition being so bad. So yall go into these games against actual good teams an yall are so much more refreshed mentality an physically.
The problem here is that Lamar won it last year while Josh had better stats. All the arguments that won Lamar the MVP last year are being used against Josh this year and all the arguments used against Josh last year are being used for Lamar this year. This is all happening after the first half of the season the race was between Josh and Saquon Barkley. I also like how everyone ignores how Lamar has fumbled twice as much as Josh and lost more than twice as many fumbles as Josh has. Oh, BTW, some of your graphics say "YRADS" instead of "YARDS".
This isn't actually a real argument. Josh wasn't even the second in MVP voting last year. His stats were worse last year as well, he had 23 turnovers. Dak and Purdy could have won but they had some really terrible games down the stretch. Lamar didn't win last year because he was great, he won because everyone else was shit as well. It was a down year. This year isn't.
@@James-cp9uh That doesn't prove me wrong. Everything they were saying for Lamar and against Josh last year is being swapped and all the arguments are being used in reverse now. Keep ignoring the fumbles too.
You can't win MVP if you lead the league in turnovers as a QB who averaged over a turnover a game putting pressure on your defense to have to get you out of a hole EVERY SINGLE GAME. Plain and simple logic.
@@TrillVilla5 And this year Lamar has more turnovers. A few less interceptions but twice as many fumbles. This isn't about MVP. It's about bias and popularity, which is what I said from the beginning, and you are proving it.
@@darthstigater6642not really. Last year lamar had 49 votes it wasn’t a contest. Allen wasn’t in the running last year. Also Lamar’s production offsets the fumbles, also his o line has allowed more qb pressures
Lamar had Henry, who did allen have? That's what makes Josh better...
Josh is not better he had diggs for like 5 years Lamar didn't have anyone n Lamar was still better
Lmao that makes no sense. Why do you guys have to belittle your players to prop Josh up… we kno he’s great
Acting like James cook doesn’t exist?? And also id take shakir over flowers any day. Just say you don’t know ball
Josh has good players but if we remove Josh bills are so bad and ass James cook leads the league in rushing tds with 16 in regular season and 18 all season I think Lamar has Henry with 2k rushing yards and 16+ rushing tds ash they both have good run games and good running backs but again if you were to take out the qb the ravens would still be good but the bills on the other hand would maybe win 1-3 games a season
@@granthill7312 Wake up please. Only this years play is in consideration.
Maybe it's just me, but getting the impression he's a fan of lamar. Hes not putting out the same vibe for Allen.
Ja17 for mvp n it’s not as close as ppl think it’s 😂😂😂
Really where he at rite now
lol really how come Josh got outvoted for nfl first team all pro to Lamar’s 30 votes??
A bit of a biased take my friend. Look at the record books.. Allen beats Lamar in almost every category. Drafted same year. Allen has 60 more TD"s over Lamar--that matters!. More playoff appearances and wins. First player in history with 40+ TD's in 5 consecutive seasons. Most playoff rushing hards for a QB in history--Lamar #2. This year Lamar has more TOTAL turnovers when you include fumbles. Last year Josh destroyed Lamar in all categories but somehow Lamar still won MVP based on wins. Let them decide it on the field this weekend.
Also, Allen accounted for 80% of BIll's offense. Lamar only accounted for 68% of his offense. Allen only had 1 pro-bowler beside himself. Lamar had 8 other pro-bowlers. Henry also had a better year than Saquon Barkley based on avg yards per carry and having 40 fewer carries.
Again, Receiver separation. Lamar's receivers avg 4.5 yards of separation versus the Bill's receivers averaging 3.5 yards. Josh needed to be more accurate.
@@dwightsnowden8137 Then why does Lamar have a higher completion percentage in tight coverage, mid coverage, and low coverage passes? Also its a main season award, playoffs dont matter at all, records like most tds over 5 seasons dont matter at all. Lamar had a historic season, threw more tds, more yards, ran for more yards, while playing less snaps. I dont think that its possible to deny lamar this mvp, he was absolutely fantastic, all with an arguably harder schedule than josh allen.
u wrote all that to say a whole lot of nothing, u mentioned stats that have nothing to do with the current year so there irrelevant, Josh Allen had 18 ints last year and finished 5th in mvp voting. pro bowl is voted by fans not skills, Lamar has the highest receiver separation becuase he has the longest time spent in the pocket extending plays being athletic. You also fail to mention Tha bills have one of the easiest schedules each year and yet Allen’s 2-3 against winning teams. The ravens have one of the toughest schedules and yet Lamar put up on of the greatest qb seasons OAT. It’s no debate which is why he one All pro 1st team and is going to be MVP.