Rob, I have to agree with you, those are amazing examples and makes you wonder how big one could print those processed images to , say against full frame images . Now , I think a high ISO is 800 haha - but, given the limitations I might have with street images at night , I am given hope to clean up some of those if I shoot at higher ISO and I don’t have a tripod with me. Rob , this wasn’t done without some thought and effort on your part, so I would like to thank you for exploring this for us and posting this video . A big thank you once again for all your hard work .
Thanks, Carmen. I have lots of my street photos processed with DeepPrime posted on my flickr. They are full res so you can pixel peep. www.flickr.com/photos/robtrek/
Leaving at 6400and not tring to shoot a 200 iso This is the real deal 4/3 needed game changer for moving subjects The sharpness to the right of the Olympus logo is incredible
I have shot a lot of pictures in low light with Nikon D70, D70s and D5100. A lot of those pictures just got a new life. And now that I shot with Olympus, there will be a lot of high ISO-images from now on. Thanks for the great channel!
Very informative video as always Rob. A revelation for me was watching you open up Windows Explorer and see that you could actually preview your raw files! I had no idea this was possible until I googled it and I now have raw image extension which is going to make own photo processing much simpler. Thank you!
This was very well done. Thank you. However, I would like to see comparisons of the images processed by DXO Pure Raw v. images processed by Capture One or Photoshop or whatever.
Great Video! I purchased Photolab 4 Elite about a month ago and the results are amazing. I really enjoyed your photo comparisons, looking forward to seeing your workflow using Photolab 4. Thanks Rob!
After hearing you talk about Photolab/PureRaw and seeing what it did for you, I downloaded the free trial. Like you I usually am not that impressed with the newest, greatest must get software. After using the demo... I downloaded this bad boy!!! Holy crap it is awesome!! It make old crappy photos look great!!! I like you can use it as a standalone since I have not tried to see if I can use it as a plugin for Affinity yet.... it would make workflow just that little bit easier. So glad you talked about this Rob!!! Have an awesome day!!!!
Dear Rob, Excellent posting, as always very well done and precise! I love your work, this software is amazing is a great addition for Olympus users, I will review it. Keep good work, Cheers.
Thanks for this video. You made me discover this product I had never heard of before, and honestly, all my concerns about M43 compared to full-frame pretty much vanished after trying this one out. What an incredible software
@@robertcudlipp3426 One thing I noticed though, is that DxO actually adds noise to the orignal raw preview, so as to make the before-after look more impressive. It still works well, but I found this to be a bit scammy...
Thanks Rob. I really enjoyed the review. I have been using Photolab 4 Elite since it was released and have been amazed. I would like your thoughts on Elite as I use it as my main photo processor since abandoning Lightroom. Also, I'm interested in your thoughts on workflow for panorama pictures. I currently use Microsoft ICE and Elite. I would like to know if you should process images in Elite (including DeepPrime), export as JPG or TIFF/DNG into ICE. Anyway, love the channel.
Thanks for this video, Rob. I upgraded to PhotoLab from a really ancient PhotoLab version (out of use for years, but still registered) which cut down on the price and made it more palatable for me. And I saw the same effects you described. I think the "oversharpening" may produce an artificial look, and I will be fiddling a bit more with respect to low contrast images (e.g. gray scale chart) to challenge the limits. But I am still impressed, and considering your chat from last Sunday with Ben re: sensors and the foreseeable future, I am now very much relieved to be better able to stick to my Olympus cameras line for the time being.
@@RobTrek Ooops ... two snafus on my side. Which I might have known if I had researched better and paid attention. (a) Fuji's X-Trans sensors are obviously not supported, yet. (b) More to the point ... in view of the discussions long time ago to future-proofing Raw files, my workflow for Lightroom import generally encompassed "convert to DNG" since back when. Big no-no, as soon as you want to use DxO Pure Raw: It only works on Raw files as pure as the cameras make them, e.g. NEF, ORF, ... you name it. So I might want to change my Lightroom workflow from now on if I want to make use of the advantages of Pure Raw. (Note: Seems like the competition works around that limitations; but I didn't test that.)
Great video! That's impressed me too even view the video in a relatively low resolution settings. I am using only the topaz denoise ai at the moment. Would love to see how is stack up against the PL4=)
Like you, I was sceptical when when I first heard about PureRAW so downloaded the trial version and tested it on some old images. I bought it almost immediately after. One thing I like about it that the other denoising programs don’t do is it retains the existing RAW edits, which is a huge time saver. In pre-COVID times I shot live music, so my starting ISO is 3200 using fast primes on a full-frame DSLR. But during lockdown I bought myself a OM-D EM-10 m3 to try out M4/3. It’s fantastic in good light, but I’m looking forward to trying it at a music venue along with PureRAW to see if it stacks up against the DSLR, so that I can dump all those heavy bodies and lenses.
I think iso 1600 and under anyone would be hard pressed to tell the difference, even if you process both cameras. At 3200 it will depend on the lighting. Over that, you'll get great results on m4/3 but processing full frame at the same iso will be better.
Great video, I think I'll get it. More videos about this product would be appreciated. This addresses my concern about m43 and low light performance. I'm guessing the film pack is an add and not included and that photolab 4 elite is just a one off payment.Thanks again.
There are two products PureRaw and Photolab. I have 400+ image workflows and use Photolab 4 Elite which has the Deep Prime (same as PureRaw). If I need to use Lightroom/Photoshop, I denoise them first in Photolab and then export into a sub-folder as dng. That has a waiting time of 30-40 minutes. I then just work with the images in the sub-folder. Someone commented that they had problems with PureRaw processing more that 20 images at a time - some images didn't get processed or only partially. I don't have any problems with Photolab. I did a wedding and did everything in Photolab 4 Elite, then just exported the jpgs for the client. Using Photolab avoided having to export as dng first, so I don't have essentially 2 raw files per image. I only need LR/PS when I need to layer multiple images, something Photolab doesn't do.
Hi Rob, that software is amazing. Great video by the way. It really showed what it’s capable of. It’s certainly a game changer for low light, high ISO images especially with micro four thirds sensors. Thanks 👍
Great video, Rob. Would you export from Raw to TIFF in Workspace or DeepPrime if noise wasn't that much of an issue? I have always thought the raw->tiff converter in Workspace was the best but now am not so sure...
I don't like the tiff converter in Workspace. The tiff didn't seem to have the same bandwidth as the raw. Yes, I would definitely use DXO Photolab 4 to export tiff and then work in Workspace.
@@RobTrek OK, thanks for your reply Rob. Can you explain "The TIFF didn't seem to have the same bandwidth as the Raw"? Are you talking filesize or dynamic range here?
@@martinchambers6930 Dynamic range and color depth. Whenever I export tiff from Workspace, it doesn't have as much room to pull hightlights and shadows and the colors are off. I get banding and other artifacts. Not as much as a jpg but no where near as good as the original raw.
Great review Rob, I have also bought PL4 and ditched Lightroom. What about partnering PL4 with Topaz Denoise with the latter handling jpgs as PL4 is limited to Raw?
Quite amazed with PR2 during the free trial period! What is the general recommendation: keep the original RAW file? Or discard it and just keep the DxO processed RAW file?
I'd keep the raw image so you can reprocess them later. Noise reduction software is always improving. If there is a significant update or other software you want to use in the future, it's best to have the raw.
I am very pleased with the prospect of viewing your post-production techniques using DXO PhotoLab. I am attempting to develop an efficient workflow from Lightroom utilizing Photo Lab for lens correction and Deep Prime noise reduction. I have Pure Raw and I may find Pure Raw and Lightroom to be sufficient and most efficient for my skill level and needs.
Great and very useful video. I have been using DxO Photo Lab Elite 4.0 since December, but all I did was use it to produce DNG files to import into Lightroom. So I have been trying out Pure Raw and think I will purchase it. The reason is that it fits my workflow. The denoising software has gotten amazing this past year or so with Topaz Denoise AI , DxO Deep Prime and next month On1.
Thanks. I still haven't had time to explore different workflows with PL4. Right now I'm just editing one at a time as needed. Will be interesting to see where all this goes with all these companies working hard on denoising.
Hi Rob! I've been an avid follower of your channel and I'm now stepping into Bird photography. I'm really interested in buying an Olympus e-m10 mark ii or mark iii for the budget I have. May I please know which camera is the best, especially for Birds in flight? I've seen that there are some improvements for em10 mark iii compared to em10 mark ii, but, mark iii doesn't have super fine jpeg quality levels and some other stuff. Please suggest a good cam of the two, for a beginner like me! Thanks a lot!
@@RobTrek Thanks a lot! What's the major difference between those two? I see that the number of autofocus points and the fps shooting speeds are higher for E-m10 mark iii. I believe they should make a huge difference. I've seen your birds in Flight and non moving birds video shot with e-m10 mark ii and it was great!
Hi Rob, thanks for the great work. One question: If I have all my raw images imported in Lightroom, can I use PureRaw as a plug-in? I know the Photolab Elite does allow that. So basically I can open the image from Lightroom in Photolab and then return with DNG format to Lightroom. It seems this opinion doesn’t work with PureRaw, correct? Thank you.
When I had the 30 day trial, it didn't have a Lightroom plugin, so Pureraw must be used separately. I suggest Photolab Elite over Pureraw, even thought cost is higher. It is so much better than Pureraw alone.
@@RobTrek Yes there what I thought, thank you. It isn’t clearly stated but I think it is an important argument. People have their collections in Lightroom and the only way to use DXO Prime for instance in an easy way is to buy Photolab, as that gives us a cool plugin. PureRaw is a bit more complicated to use, when the images are in Lightroom. Thank you Rob.
Great video. I did the trial of DXO Photolab 4 and enjoyed it but gulped when I saw the price of the software. I'm currently still on the subscription model of Lightroom/PS and also, use On One Photo Raw and Topaz plug-ins. Oh, and I also have Luminar 4 (not the newest AL version). It's getting to the point that having too much software like having too many cameras is just confusing. I keep thinking at some point I'll switch completely away from Adobe subscription and choose a primary photo editor and if that happens I would probably choose DXO photolab 4, however I wish it had the ability to do layers. One One Photo Raw is really good and does almost everything but it's not as smooth and efficient as LR/PS, so I've been hesitant to switch completely. I'd like DXO to add more functionality in order for it to be a complete editor that could replace everything else.
Thanks. I know exactly how you feel. I can't get away for lr/ps for the same reason. The layer workflow and asset management features are hard to beat. I was very hesitant to purchase anything else as nothing until now was worth adding on top of lr/pr. The denoising of the dxo product was just next level. I'll do another review which will compare PL4 and LR and explain why I still ditch LR just yet.
@@RobTrek Question: If you used a M43 camera exclusively for photography with only 20% of your photos above ISO 800, would you have bought the Panasonic S5 (knowing now that this software exists)?
Thanks. You know me, I was never worried about high iso images but this seriously impressed me. I'm going to look back at images I ignored and see if they might be viable now.
Thanks Rob! I tried it myself on an ISO6400 image and I was shocked. I still didn’t buy it, however I will probably do in the future :) I wish Olympus put its on-camera JPG processing into some plugin for LR/CApture One: in this way, for many of my photos, the workflow would be: ORF -> PureRAW -> Olympus JPG Preset -> done
We're not quite there yet. PhotoLab 4 Elite gives the option to export as Tiff, which Workspace can open. So currently it's ORF->PhotoLab 4 Elite->Olympus JPG.
@@RobTrek thanks! You were mentioning it in your video the TIFF option. However I probably need to start using Olympus Workspace: is there really a preset available to get in post processing (from a RAW/TIFF) what you get from an in-camera JPG?
@@lucastoppa2840 I have to assume the processing in Workspace is going to give the same results as in-camera, but I haven't tested that yet. I'll be making more videos on processing this month, so stay tuned!
It works very well, but the problem I had was finding photos in my library that would benefit from it. Unless I deliberately go out to take v high ISO photos just to use the program, what use will I make of it and how much is it going to cost me per image? Better than Topaz, but same issue with Topaz on price vs use I'll make of it. Still thinking about it....
I have the full package too, I think it's fantastic, amazing in detail etc. Throw a processed image into PS enhanced (cropped image) and I've found it has some shortcomings. It's good but I think AI Topaz & On1 are in the the same ballpark. It is IMHO without doubt the software solution over high MP future solution. I see Medium format or 60 mp Sony, Canon, Nikon coming up trumps for resolution imagery for the Pro Pro's being the choice of perfectionists.
The images where actually from a set I took last year for an ISO test video I did. A viewer asked that I do a low light test for noise so I ran a series of shots from ISO 100 to 25,600. Rather than take all new shots I just used these instead.
I tried to purchase the promo at the $89.99 and discovered my card was charged for $92.69 ! My total invoice price was listed as $89.99. No explanation received yet from DxO regarding this 'surcharge'. Great software but bad business practice. Shut me down from purchasing or promoting DxO products ! I will say the trial version was impressive
@@RobTrek Got a response from DxO Customer Support. They mentioned that it was a foreign transaction fee that they could do nothing about as it is done by the bank. Not sure if he meant their bank, my card issuer. I don't know if PayPal would get around this... Maybe I can catch it on sale sometime
@@RobTrek With the help and understanding (and patience with me) I am now up and running with DxO PureRaw! I am totally impressed with this company and customer support staff! I also noticed that NIK has been updated, so it's in my near future. (They don't know it yet but I'm their new 'stealthy' Ambassador!)
Exelent Vid, thanks. will in a near future AI be more important than cameras and even lenses? Will they be an old fashoned think? AI explain the success of iPhones already.
PR would be perfect if it had a couple of sliders to adjust (limit) the amount of corrections. Too much sharpening and sometimes too much denoise. At this price point it's not forgivable.
Imagine if PureRaw is incorporated into Olympus cameras so that the noise reduction is handled natively! No more complaining about poor low light capabilities. I must admit I'll probably not buy this software as I limit all my shots to 800 ISO anyway.
That would be nice but I think they would need to improve the cpu in our cameras by a huge factor otherwise we'll be waiting several minutes per image and swapping batteries every other image, LOL.
This program was the reason I started using my Kit Lens again! No worries about shooting at 6400 anymore
Thanks for sharing!
As usual Rob, an honest, evidence based review. This is an impressive, perhaps game changing product. Appreciated as always.
Thanks, John.
Rob, I have to agree with you, those are amazing examples and makes you wonder how big one could print those processed images to , say against full frame images .
Now , I think a high ISO is 800 haha - but, given the limitations I might have with street images at night , I am given hope to clean up some of those if I shoot at higher ISO and I don’t have a tripod with me.
Rob , this wasn’t done without some thought and effort on your part, so I would like to thank you for exploring this for us and posting this video .
A big thank you once again for all your hard work .
Thanks, Carmen. I have lots of my street photos processed with DeepPrime posted on my flickr. They are full res so you can pixel peep. www.flickr.com/photos/robtrek/
Leaving at 6400and not tring to shoot a 200 iso
This is the real deal 4/3 needed
game changer for moving subjects
The sharpness to the right of the Olympus logo is incredible
It's pretty amazing.
I have shot a lot of pictures in low light with Nikon D70, D70s and D5100. A lot of those pictures just got a new life. And now that I shot with Olympus, there will be a lot of high ISO-images from now on. Thanks for the great channel!
Thanks!
Very informative video as always Rob. A revelation for me was watching you open up Windows Explorer and see that you could actually preview your raw files! I had no idea this was possible until I googled it and I now have raw image extension which is going to make own photo processing much simpler. Thank you!
Thanks. Yeah, that extension helped a lot!
Thanks, Rob for this demonstration. I have DXO Photo Lab but have not used it. After watching this presentation, it is definitely DXO time!!
Thanks. Dxo time!
This was very well done. Thank you. However, I would like to see comparisons of the images processed by DXO Pure Raw v. images processed by Capture One or Photoshop or whatever.
Thanks. I just posted a video comparing DXO Pureraw to Topaz Denoise AI. ua-cam.com/video/Rm3afcVKtRM/v-deo.html
Great Video! I purchased Photolab 4 Elite about a month ago and the results are amazing. I really enjoyed your photo comparisons, looking forward to seeing your workflow using Photolab 4. Thanks Rob!
Thanks, Joe!
After hearing you talk about Photolab/PureRaw and seeing what it did for you, I downloaded the free trial. Like you I usually am not that impressed with the newest, greatest must get software. After using the demo... I downloaded this bad boy!!! Holy crap it is awesome!! It make old crappy photos look great!!! I like you can use it as a standalone since I have not tried to see if I can use it as a plugin for Affinity yet.... it would make workflow just that little bit easier. So glad you talked about this Rob!!! Have an awesome day!!!!
Thanks, Dave. It's really incredible. You know I don't normally bother with these kinds of things but I was so impressed I had to share.
Great video Rob. We have the same Pen F grip!
I'm looking forward to playing with this software
Thanks. Awesome grip. Really compliments the PenF.
Congrats Rob. I knew you would get,once you test it for yourself.
Thanks. It's great!
Mind blown. Incredible results.
Haha! Yes, me too.
Dear Rob,
Excellent posting, as always very well done and precise! I love your work, this software is amazing is a great addition for Olympus users, I will review it.
Keep good work, Cheers.
Thanks! It works great. I opted for the Photolab 4 elite which I'll talk about in another video.
Thanks for this video. You made me discover this product I had never heard of before, and honestly, all my concerns about M43 compared to full-frame pretty much vanished after trying this one out. What an incredible software
Glad I could help!
Have you purchased it?
@@robertcudlipp3426 I am using the trial right now, but once that is over I am 100% going to purchase this.
@@robertcudlipp3426 One thing I noticed though, is that DxO actually adds noise to the orignal raw preview, so as to make the before-after look more impressive. It still works well, but I found this to be a bit scammy...
I tried DXO and Topaz, and moving from Nikon to Olympus, on higher OSO images, I bought DXO. IT IS a gamechanger
We made the same decision. Check out my next video on DXO vs Topaz! ua-cam.com/video/Rm3afcVKtRM/v-deo.html
Thank you Rob.
The lighning for your videos are perfect now. What type of lighning are you using ? ( led panel, led light+softbox )?
Thanks. I use a simple led bulb I got from Walmart behind and umbrella. There's also an led bulb above me in the ceiling fan. That's it.
Thanks Rob. I really enjoyed the review. I have been using Photolab 4 Elite since it was released and have been amazed. I would like your thoughts on Elite as I use it as my main photo processor since abandoning Lightroom. Also, I'm interested in your thoughts on workflow for panorama pictures. I currently use Microsoft ICE and Elite. I would like to know if you should process images in Elite (including DeepPrime), export as JPG or TIFF/DNG into ICE. Anyway, love the channel.
Thanks. I'm still learning PL4 so will need a little more time before making a recommendation on workflow.
No matter the topic youre "out of the box" and youre very kind,no problem with the video watching is small number....but youre very kind..
Thank you!
Thanks for this video, Rob. I upgraded to PhotoLab from a really ancient PhotoLab version (out of use for years, but still registered) which cut down on the price and made it more palatable for me. And I saw the same effects you described. I think the "oversharpening" may produce an artificial look, and I will be fiddling a bit more with respect to low contrast images (e.g. gray scale chart) to challenge the limits. But I am still impressed, and considering your chat from last Sunday with Ben re: sensors and the foreseeable future, I am now very much relieved to be better able to stick to my Olympus cameras line for the time being.
Thanks. At least in Photolab 4 Elite you can tweak the sharpening and stuff. Helps reduce that oversharpened look I was complaining about.
@@RobTrek Ooops ... two snafus on my side. Which I might have known if I had researched better and paid attention. (a) Fuji's X-Trans sensors are obviously not supported, yet. (b) More to the point ... in view of the discussions long time ago to future-proofing Raw files, my workflow for Lightroom import generally encompassed "convert to DNG" since back when. Big no-no, as soon as you want to use DxO Pure Raw: It only works on Raw files as pure as the cameras make them, e.g. NEF, ORF, ... you name it. So I might want to change my Lightroom workflow from now on if I want to make use of the advantages of Pure Raw. (Note: Seems like the competition works around that limitations; but I didn't test that.)
I use DXO for all my processing on Olympus and Pentax photos. Would love to see you create a video to explore all its processing options.
Thanks. Still learning but will start soon.
Great video! That's impressed me too even view the video in a relatively low resolution settings.
I am using only the topaz denoise ai at the moment. Would love to see how is stack up against the PL4=)
Hi. I just posted a video comparing DXO PureRaw with Topaz Denoise AI. ua-cam.com/video/Rm3afcVKtRM/v-deo.html
Like you, I was sceptical when when I first heard about PureRAW so downloaded the trial version and tested it on some old images. I bought it almost immediately after. One thing I like about it that the other denoising programs don’t do is it retains the existing RAW edits, which is a huge time saver. In pre-COVID times I shot live music, so my starting ISO is 3200 using fast primes on a full-frame DSLR. But during lockdown I bought myself a OM-D EM-10 m3 to try out M4/3. It’s fantastic in good light, but I’m looking forward to trying it at a music venue along with PureRAW to see if it stacks up against the DSLR, so that I can dump all those heavy bodies and lenses.
I think iso 1600 and under anyone would be hard pressed to tell the difference, even if you process both cameras. At 3200 it will depend on the lighting. Over that, you'll get great results on m4/3 but processing full frame at the same iso will be better.
Great video, I think I'll get it. More videos about this product would be appreciated. This addresses my concern about m43 and low light performance. I'm guessing the film pack is an add and not included and that photolab 4 elite is just a one off payment.Thanks again.
Thanks. Yes, the film pack is a separate plugin that can be integrated into PL4 and LR.
@@RobTrek thanks for all your work Rob
ON1 user & Wedding photographer here. Liked this video!
Thoughts on 1000+ image-workflow? (I have E-M1 Mkiii)
There are two products PureRaw and Photolab. I have 400+ image workflows and use Photolab 4 Elite which has the Deep Prime (same as PureRaw). If I need to use Lightroom/Photoshop, I denoise them first in Photolab and then export into a sub-folder as dng. That has a waiting time of 30-40 minutes. I then just work with the images in the sub-folder. Someone commented that they had problems with PureRaw processing more that 20 images at a time - some images didn't get processed or only partially. I don't have any problems with Photolab. I did a wedding and did everything in Photolab 4 Elite, then just exported the jpgs for the client. Using Photolab avoided having to export as dng first, so I don't have essentially 2 raw files per image. I only need LR/PS when I need to layer multiple images, something Photolab doesn't do.
Great Video Rob. Inuse silver effects from DXO which offers a denoise program but this is far more advanced.
Thanks. I'm going to test out Nik stuff next week.
Hi Rob, that software is amazing. Great video by the way. It really showed what it’s capable of. It’s certainly a game changer for low light, high ISO images especially with micro four thirds sensors. Thanks 👍
Thanks, Jeff!
Great video, Rob. Would you export from Raw to TIFF in Workspace or DeepPrime if noise wasn't that much of an issue? I have always thought the raw->tiff converter in Workspace was the best but now am not so sure...
I don't like the tiff converter in Workspace. The tiff didn't seem to have the same bandwidth as the raw. Yes, I would definitely use DXO Photolab 4 to export tiff and then work in Workspace.
@@RobTrek OK, thanks for your reply Rob. Can you explain "The TIFF didn't seem to have the same bandwidth as the Raw"? Are you talking filesize or dynamic range here?
@@martinchambers6930 Dynamic range and color depth. Whenever I export tiff from Workspace, it doesn't have as much room to pull hightlights and shadows and the colors are off. I get banding and other artifacts. Not as much as a jpg but no where near as good as the original raw.
Great review Rob, I have also bought PL4 and ditched Lightroom. What about partnering PL4 with Topaz Denoise with the latter handling jpgs as PL4 is limited to Raw?
I'm trying out Topaz products right now and will let you know.
Thx for the work and testing! I’d like to see more…color me curious! 🙂
Thanks. I'll make some more videos as I get more practice.
Quite amazed with PR2 during the free trial period! What is the general recommendation: keep the original RAW file? Or discard it and just keep the DxO processed RAW file?
I'd keep the raw image so you can reprocess them later. Noise reduction software is always improving. If there is a significant update or other software you want to use in the future, it's best to have the raw.
@@RobTrek - thanks; makes perfect sense 👍
I am very pleased with the prospect of viewing your post-production techniques using DXO PhotoLab. I am attempting to develop an efficient workflow from Lightroom utilizing Photo Lab for lens correction and Deep Prime noise reduction. I have Pure Raw and I may find Pure Raw and Lightroom to be sufficient and most efficient for my skill level and needs.
I think PureRaw + LR is a great combo. I'm still working on Photolab but will make some videos in the future.
This video just convinced me that I should pounce on the A7III, as it has the same sensor as the S5, and it performs like a dream at high iso!
It's pretty amazing. I have some images at 200,000 iso and they are not terrible!
Great and very useful video. I have been using DxO Photo Lab Elite 4.0 since December, but all I did was use it to produce DNG files to import into Lightroom. So I have been trying out Pure Raw and think I will purchase it. The reason is that it fits my workflow. The denoising software has gotten amazing this past year or so with Topaz Denoise AI , DxO Deep Prime and next month On1.
Thanks. I still haven't had time to explore different workflows with PL4. Right now I'm just editing one at a time as needed. Will be interesting to see where all this goes with all these companies working hard on denoising.
Hi Rob! I've been an avid follower of your channel and I'm now stepping into Bird photography. I'm really interested in buying an Olympus e-m10 mark ii or mark iii for the budget I have. May I please know which camera is the best, especially for Birds in flight? I've seen that there are some improvements for em10 mark iii compared to em10 mark ii, but, mark iii doesn't have super fine jpeg quality levels and some other stuff. Please suggest a good cam of the two, for a beginner like me! Thanks a lot!
Go with the E-M10ii then watch my birds in flight video for it.
@@RobTrek Thanks a lot! What's the major difference between those two? I see that the number of autofocus points and the fps shooting speeds are higher for E-m10 mark iii. I believe they should make a huge difference. I've seen your birds in Flight and non moving birds video shot with e-m10 mark ii and it was great!
Excellent video. This is tempting
Thanks. I went all out and got the premium bundle!
Hi Rob, thanks for the great work. One question: If I have all my raw images imported in Lightroom, can I use PureRaw as a plug-in? I know the Photolab Elite does allow that. So basically I can open the image from Lightroom in Photolab and then return with DNG format to Lightroom. It seems this opinion doesn’t work with PureRaw, correct? Thank you.
When I had the 30 day trial, it didn't have a Lightroom plugin, so Pureraw must be used separately. I suggest Photolab Elite over Pureraw, even thought cost is higher. It is so much better than Pureraw alone.
@@RobTrek Yes there what I thought, thank you. It isn’t clearly stated but I think it is an important argument. People have their collections in Lightroom and the only way to use DXO Prime for instance in an easy way is to buy Photolab, as that gives us a cool plugin. PureRaw is a bit more complicated to use, when the images are in Lightroom. Thank you Rob.
Can you batch process images in DxO PhotoLab 4 like you can do in PureRAW?
Btw, I'd love to see more videos like this one 👍
Thanks. Yes, kind of... You'd have to process one image first, then copy and paste settings to other images. Then of course export them to DNG.
Great video. I did the trial of DXO Photolab 4 and enjoyed it but gulped when I saw the price of the software. I'm currently still on the subscription model of Lightroom/PS and also, use On One Photo Raw and Topaz plug-ins. Oh, and I also have Luminar 4 (not the newest AL version). It's getting to the point that having too much software like having too many cameras is just confusing. I keep thinking at some point I'll switch completely away from Adobe subscription and choose a primary photo editor and if that happens I would probably choose DXO photolab 4, however I wish it had the ability to do layers. One One Photo Raw is really good and does almost everything but it's not as smooth and efficient as LR/PS, so I've been hesitant to switch completely. I'd like DXO to add more functionality in order for it to be a complete editor that could replace everything else.
Thanks. I know exactly how you feel. I can't get away for lr/ps for the same reason. The layer workflow and asset management features are hard to beat. I was very hesitant to purchase anything else as nothing until now was worth adding on top of lr/pr. The denoising of the dxo product was just next level. I'll do another review which will compare PL4 and LR and explain why I still ditch LR just yet.
If you have Topaz DeNoise AI, I recommend trying the latest version as I have seen some great results as well.
Amazing. I'd like to see more.
More to come!
@@RobTrek Question: If you used a M43 camera exclusively for photography with only 20% of your photos above ISO 800, would you have bought the Panasonic S5 (knowing now that this software exists)?
I did the same! Tried PureRaw and ended up buying PhotoLab 4 Elite.
Totally worth it! Thanks.
Yes--do videos on processing with PL 4/Deep Prime
No, they have a different software for video that is $299. Haven't tried that one but I don't know if it denoises or just upscales.
Very informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Very well explained Rob, yep Dxo takes the "fear" out of high Iso setting,s, game changer for M4/3?
Thanks. You know me, I was never worried about high iso images but this seriously impressed me. I'm going to look back at images I ignored and see if they might be viable now.
Thank you Rob.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Rob! I tried it myself on an ISO6400 image and I was shocked. I still didn’t buy it, however I will probably do in the future :) I wish Olympus put its on-camera JPG processing into some plugin for LR/CApture One: in this way, for many of my photos, the workflow would be: ORF -> PureRAW -> Olympus JPG Preset -> done
We're not quite there yet. PhotoLab 4 Elite gives the option to export as Tiff, which Workspace can open. So currently it's ORF->PhotoLab 4 Elite->Olympus JPG.
@@RobTrek thanks! You were mentioning it in your video the TIFF option. However I probably need to start using Olympus Workspace: is there really a preset available to get in post processing (from a RAW/TIFF) what you get from an in-camera JPG?
@@lucastoppa2840 I have to assume the processing in Workspace is going to give the same results as in-camera, but I haven't tested that yet. I'll be making more videos on processing this month, so stay tuned!
Perfect as expected... Will spend any spare cash on a new lens not a new body. Go m43 plus DXO pure raw
Thanks. Great combo!
It works very well, but the problem I had was finding photos in my library that would benefit from it. Unless I deliberately go out to take v high ISO photos just to use the program, what use will I make of it and how much is it going to cost me per image? Better than Topaz, but same issue with Topaz on price vs use I'll make of it. Still thinking about it....
If can, wait for a sale price. That may help make the decision easier.
I've always been put off by the price, but when you see the results... Wow.
Sometimes you really do get what you pay for!
It surprised me too!
They need to make a version for us tablet users
If they do, it would need to be run on a more powerful tablet. It takes some processing to denoise.
BTW, did you see my response in the forum about your mic problem?
I have the full package too, I think it's fantastic, amazing in detail etc. Throw a processed image into PS enhanced (cropped image) and I've found it has some shortcomings. It's good but I think AI Topaz & On1 are in the the same ballpark. It is IMHO without doubt the software solution over high MP future solution. I see Medium format or 60 mp Sony, Canon, Nikon coming up trumps for resolution imagery for the Pro Pro's being the choice of perfectionists.
I'm trying out some Topaz stuff and will let you know my results.
This software has cured my gas, at least for a while...
Haha! Me too, well maybe, probably not, I don't know.
@@RobTrek Let's buy more SOFTWARE!!! 👍
I have been using DXO for it's superior raw processing since it was know as " Optics Pro". I have yet to find a better raw processor.
The optic corrections are pretty impressive too. Thanks.
Which makes me a little skeptical ... Why do you use an exposure time of 1/00 when taking an inanimate picture?
The images where actually from a set I took last year for an ISO test video I did. A viewer asked that I do a low light test for noise so I ran a series of shots from ISO 100 to 25,600. Rather than take all new shots I just used these instead.
This software is just stupid good!
Agreed!
I tried to purchase the promo at the $89.99 and discovered my card was charged for $92.69 ! My total invoice price was listed as $89.99. No explanation received yet from DxO regarding this 'surcharge'. Great software but bad business practice. Shut me down from purchasing or promoting DxO products ! I will say the trial version was impressive
Looks like they added a 3% surcharge for cc. I'll have to look at my invoice and statement!
@@RobTrek Got a response from DxO Customer Support. They mentioned that it was a foreign transaction fee that they could do nothing about as it is done by the bank. Not sure if he meant their bank, my card issuer. I don't know if PayPal would get around this... Maybe I can catch it on sale sometime
@@scottmunford3472 I used paypal and the charge came out to exactly the amount I expected at $269.99 for the premium package.
@@RobTrek With the help and understanding (and patience with me) I am now up and running with DxO PureRaw! I am totally impressed with this company and customer support staff! I also noticed that NIK has been updated, so it's in my near future. (They don't know it yet but I'm their new 'stealthy' Ambassador!)
Have you compared this to Topaz Noise AI?
Thanks. I just posted a video comparing DXO Pureraw to Topaz Denoise AI. ua-cam.com/video/Rm3afcVKtRM/v-deo.html
Exelent Vid, thanks. will in a near future AI be more important than cameras and even lenses? Will they be an old fashoned think? AI explain the success of iPhones already.
Thanks. Hard to say what will happen in the near future but I think we'll see great improvements in 10 years.
PR would be perfect if it had a couple of sliders to adjust (limit) the amount of corrections. Too much sharpening and sometimes too much denoise.
At this price point it's not forgivable.
I got the PhotoLab5 Elite which gives more controls. Another big price jump but I felt it was worth it. It's my primary photo editor now.
Imagine if PureRaw is incorporated into Olympus cameras so that the noise reduction is handled natively! No more complaining about poor low light capabilities. I must admit I'll probably not buy this software as I limit all my shots to 800 ISO anyway.
Then you never shoot moving objects in low light conditions....
That would be nice but I think they would need to improve the cpu in our cameras by a huge factor otherwise we'll be waiting several minutes per image and swapping batteries every other image, LOL.
Same test OM system OM-1.
Will do!