I'll push back on this a little bit. The motors don't make as much of a difference as it might seem at first. Keep in mind 2015 motors were mostly the Cobra 2204 (which was really a 2205) and the SunnySky 2204 motors, though RCX had those 2206 motors that were actually surprisingly good. The typical relative Kv was also a good bit lower, which is a big part of the difference. There are absolutely places where 2015 class motors might still be applicable, it's just not an 5" freestyle setup. The setup will look pretty different though. A very light weight build with those older motors would probably fly super well. I would 100% use the SunnySky 2204 motors on an ultralight 5" toothpick build. I actually have a set kicking around still, might be a fun thing to try. Also worth pointing out that once you get into mid 2016 and early 2017 things equalized pretty fast. The Emax RS2205 motors were game changing and the other manufacturers caught on super fast. Once we hit that point I don't feel like we've seen any substantive changes to motors since. The original Emax RS2205 motors are still shockingly good on a lightweight freestyle build. Basically anything sub 700g. Ask Daniel Appel hah, I think he still runs them on a few of his beater rigs.
I'm still running quads with the little motors that came standard on the MJX Bugs3 "toy" drones from around 2016. They run well with SpeedyBee F405 stacks and give me smooth cinematic flying using a variety of cheap plastic frames. I've just started to fly with 4S after flying 3S for many years. The latest gear is cool, but you can have years of fun with low cost, easy to repair parts. Best recent developments for me are ELRS, Betaflight 4.4 and SpeedyBee stacks. Brushless motors have been the most reliable component over the years. I have put up a few videos over the years showing what can achieved on a tight budget.
u give me hope cause i invest in strategy of buying a few of same quad for all sizes , i got 1quad 65mm(and i dont like it), 3 quads 75mm , 2quads 3.5inch , 2quads 3.5inch cinewhoops, and 2quads 5inch. 2 action cams lol None of them is digital and i dont want :) maybe because im from 1980, i feel home and really happy with analog.
My first frame was the FliteTest "Knuckle" which was made of square wooden dowels and birch sheeting laser cut into braces. It would cost like $30 every time I flew.
The worst thing is that I bought 2 sets of the same motors, and one of the sets came with c-clips, and the other one with M2 screws. So I can't really use parts of one of them to fix another one if they brake.
I actually have a bunch of cobra 2204 motors, and I recently tried putting them on a new 5" with modern electronics and first flight it flew weird and did a desync-style fall from the sky within 30 seconda of takeoff. Basic settings checked out, so I was at a loss for explanations.... I put it on the wall and haven't gone back to it. Now I assume it must be the old AF motors.
I’m sorry Bardwell. I’m calling BS on this. 2015 motors and ESC is not that old. We had BLHeli_S and started to see BLHeli32 escs too. Motors were plenty powerful on 4s. Main difference is the flight controller software. BF 3.0 and up has mostly been the main difference.
Actually most of the changes he's talking about came around in 2016-2017 for motors. The Emax RS2205 was the first motor to really use the newer design approaches and they were released in March of 2016. Before that we pretty much just had the SunnySky and Cobra 2204 motors, though the Cobra 2204 were really 2205s. Also BLHeli_S didn't get really common till mid 2016. BLHeli32 wasn't around till 2017.
@@QuadMcFlyFlies Thanks for jumping in Ryan. I meant to say BlHeli with active braking was around 2015. Yes those old RCX motors were amazing for the time too.
@ I was referring to FPV equipment and flight stabilization. Wing levelers and rudder steering. Although I scratched my first quad around 2004. .30 size heli tail booms and mechanical gyros.
I run 2205 emax clone motors from 2017 and they are geat for a beginner!
I'll push back on this a little bit. The motors don't make as much of a difference as it might seem at first. Keep in mind 2015 motors were mostly the Cobra 2204 (which was really a 2205) and the SunnySky 2204 motors, though RCX had those 2206 motors that were actually surprisingly good. The typical relative Kv was also a good bit lower, which is a big part of the difference. There are absolutely places where 2015 class motors might still be applicable, it's just not an 5" freestyle setup. The setup will look pretty different though. A very light weight build with those older motors would probably fly super well. I would 100% use the SunnySky 2204 motors on an ultralight 5" toothpick build. I actually have a set kicking around still, might be a fun thing to try.
Also worth pointing out that once you get into mid 2016 and early 2017 things equalized pretty fast. The Emax RS2205 motors were game changing and the other manufacturers caught on super fast. Once we hit that point I don't feel like we've seen any substantive changes to motors since. The original Emax RS2205 motors are still shockingly good on a lightweight freestyle build. Basically anything sub 700g. Ask Daniel Appel hah, I think he still runs them on a few of his beater rigs.
I'm still running quads with the little motors that came standard on the MJX Bugs3 "toy" drones from around 2016. They run well with SpeedyBee F405 stacks and give me smooth cinematic flying using a variety of cheap plastic frames. I've just started to fly with 4S after flying 3S for many years. The latest gear is cool, but you can have years of fun with low cost, easy to repair parts. Best recent developments for me are ELRS, Betaflight 4.4 and SpeedyBee stacks. Brushless motors have been the most reliable component over the years. I have put up a few videos over the years showing what can achieved on a tight budget.
u give me hope cause i invest in strategy of buying a few of same quad for all sizes , i got 1quad 65mm(and i dont like it), 3 quads 75mm , 2quads 3.5inch , 2quads 3.5inch cinewhoops, and 2quads 5inch. 2 action cams lol
None of them is digital and i dont want :) maybe because im from 1980, i feel home and really happy with analog.
My first frame was the FliteTest "Knuckle" which was made of square wooden dowels and birch sheeting laser cut into braces. It would cost like $30 every time I flew.
A screw in the bottom to remove the bell instead of a C-clip.
The worst thing is that I bought 2 sets of the same motors, and one of the sets came with c-clips, and the other one with M2 screws. So I can't really use parts of one of them to fix another one if they brake.
I actually have a bunch of cobra 2204 motors, and I recently tried putting them on a new 5" with modern electronics and first flight it flew weird and did a desync-style fall from the sky within 30 seconda of takeoff. Basic settings checked out, so I was at a loss for explanations.... I put it on the wall and haven't gone back to it. Now I assume it must be the old AF motors.
sweetSweet nostalgia :)
isn't the curse of the past the blessing of today 🤫
I’m sorry Bardwell. I’m calling BS on this. 2015 motors and ESC is not that old. We had BLHeli_S and started to see BLHeli32 escs too. Motors were plenty powerful on 4s. Main difference is the flight controller software. BF 3.0 and up has mostly been the main difference.
Actually most of the changes he's talking about came around in 2016-2017 for motors. The Emax RS2205 was the first motor to really use the newer design approaches and they were released in March of 2016. Before that we pretty much just had the SunnySky and Cobra 2204 motors, though the Cobra 2204 were really 2205s. Also BLHeli_S didn't get really common till mid 2016. BLHeli32 wasn't around till 2017.
@@QuadMcFlyFlies Thanks for jumping in Ryan. I meant to say BlHeli with active braking was around 2015. Yes those old RCX motors were amazing for the time too.
Hey JB! you should do a video next on how far esc fw has come!
I kind of want to see a vid of mixing old and new parts for science
LOL, you should see the equipment from the 90's....
who was the first guy that flew a quad in fpv anyways?
@ I was referring to FPV equipment and flight stabilization. Wing levelers and rudder steering. Although I scratched my first quad around 2004. .30 size heli tail booms and mechanical gyros.
You mistaken the modern BF firmware improvements for motor marketing BS.
No airmode, no idle. You had to have some skill to stay in the air.