This Insane Move Crushed Stockfish
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“It’s not Halloween and Stockfish is not dressed up as you”
That one hit home
Pain
Needlessly savage
Your name says something about you
“Your username says how you die”
I do food reviews while I’m high off that zaza on my yöutube chånnel 👌👌
Having the eval bar between two engines is the most ironic thing
It’s interesting to see how an AI evaluates such interestingly complicated positions and gives the playing AI a chance to mess up the AI bar with very complex moves.
“Akshually I am winning in this position 🤓”
“No, Akshually I am winning in this position 🤓”
How I imagine the conversation goes in between transistors.
@@Lius525 ayy zaraki my man you got bullied by yhwach in the last episode
reminds me of the batman pointing at batman meme
“Stockfish vs. Stockfish is a perfect game according to Stockfish”
"It’s not Halloween and Stockfish is not dressed up as you"
I went to see a bot being destroyed and it's me instead
Evil 😂😂😂
“Stockfish doesn’t blunder check mate: it is not halloween and stockfish is not dressed like you” 😂😂
This had me dying!!🤣he’s so casually funny.
6:05
Lol💀💀💀
@@OffSFhTHANK U
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11:23 to 11:42 Stockfish was "wait a minute, that bishop moves make a lot of sense!"
After thinking for 20 seconds the eval went from -0.8 to 0.0 wow
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@@fn_cxrsed2984 hello?????
@@fn_cxrsed2984 hail satan
this is why chess will never be solved. there will always be some inacurracy thats actually a brilliancy if u calculate it long enough
I love how he talks about the bots like they actually have emotions
Stockfish seeing this 😢
alphazero is hardly what one would call a bot. it uses a neural network for decision making that emulates the neurons in a brain. furthermore it learned the game from scratch as it was given only the rules of the game and then proceeded to play millions and millions of games against itself ( reinforced learning, each trained iteration would be a bit better than its predecessor, so its like it went through an evolution from the worst chess player ever to an immortal silicon overlord chess engine that revolutionized the way chess is played).
@@Pintkonan I know?
"It's not Halloween and Stockfish is not dressed up as you" might be one of Levy's best lines 😂
I’m terrified how Levy stares into my soul almost every single video.
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I would love to see the stockfish game analysis to see what it thinks are mistakes, inaccuracies, blunders, brilliantst, etc
Here is the PGN use it to analyze the game anywhere...
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. c4 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. d5 exd5 8. Nh4
c6 9. cxd5 Nxd5 10. Nf5 Nc7 11. e4 d5 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Nc3 Nxc3 14. Qg4 g6
15. Nh6+ Kg7 16. bxc3 Bc8 17. Qf4 Qd6 18. Qa4 g5 19. Re1 Kxh6 20. h4 f6 21. Be3
Bf5 22. Rad1 Qa3 23. Qc4 b5 24. hxg5+ fxg5 25. Qh4+ Kg6 26. Qh1 Kg7 27. Be4 Bg6
28. Bxg6 hxg6 29. Qh3 Bf6 30. Kg2 Qxa2 31. Rh1 Qg8 32. c4 Re8 33. Bd4 Bxd4
34. Rxd4 Rd8 35. Rxd8 Qxd8 36. Qe6 Nd7 37. Rd1 Nc5 38. Rxd8 Nxe6 39. Rxa8 Kf6
40. cxb5 cxb5 41. Kf3 Nd4+ 42. Ke4 Nc6 43. Rc8 Ne7 44. Rb8 Nf5 45. g4 Nh6 46. f3
Nf7 47. Ra8 Nd6+ 48. Kd5 Nc4 49. Rxa7 Ne3+ 50. Ke4 Nc4 51. Ra6+ Kg7 52. Rc6 Kf7
53. Rc5 Ke6 54. Rxg5 Kf6 55. Rc5 g5 56. Kd4
@@nikunjsharma6043 legend
@@nikunjsharma6043 how to use it
@@PrakritiSenpai lmao take a ss open Google lens copy text and use
@@Mihir_hun_vaii where to use and how to use
Lmao ik how to copy text from comments
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This made me realize that stock fish shouldn't be judging me and I am going to play on my own unless I made extremely stupid moves
No no this just means that stockfish should judge you but alphazero is better at judging your 438 rating ass
bro i used to be 300 when i started watching u, now im 900-1000 and rising quickly because of you, you taught me 90 percent of my opening repertoire, taught me tactics, provided me content and making me laugh everyday. so thank you man. ;)
taught me :)
Good for you man😀😀
@@stevekaye4438 thx bruv
Wait till you reach 2000. Gotham will decrease in value when you go up in rating
@@johnora3857 Bruh I'm 1400 and know 3 openings 🥶
I want a tournament where the players are encouraged to talk to each other the way Levy rationalises moves in his videos. "Alright, take, but your pieces are gonna look really stupid now!" "Look at this dummy being all restricted!"
New York City Central Park chess is like this sometimes
ya! I'd love to see it do humanistic commentary as it analyzes. maybe a few gens of engines later and we see friendly personalities tagged into some of them
@@pauls5745 Or they hook Mittens up with ChatGPT to trash talk us
stockfish took that personally
question, why these games where there are so many great games generated on "teesec" (tcec)? and its quite clickbaity too, quite a few (apparent) fortresses you can say "LEELA CANNOT FIGURE THIS OUT"
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hi lol i'm dumb
Lichess better
“It’s not Halloween and Stockfish is not dressed up as you”
That is one of the most savage thing someone had told me =)))))))
6:05 bro was really into roasting us😂😂
"It's not Halloween and Stockfish is not dressed up as you.", is the most brutal diss at chess skill I've heard in a while.
I'm proud to be an everyday viewer and I appreciate how crystal clean your glasses, always are.
I never noticed, but yeah, you're absolutely right.
I swear, cleaning them is always a pain. He probably has some really expensive scratch resistant glass.
@@aryamanrai1972 - all glasses come with scratch resistant lenses at no extra cost when you go to Specsavers - lol!!!
Lesson from the video: Use AlphaZeto to cheat as Stockfish would count some of your moves as inaccurate
'Quiet' moves like c4 are the most brilliant of all
Daily viewer here! Love the videos!
I saw Queen to H4 but then to H1. What the heck is that move? 😂
Queen goes on an adventure, comes back, gives a kiss to the king and then says, “don’t worry, we’ll take care of these pests” and then proceeds to dominate.
yea I actually burst out laughing when I heard Levy say Queen to H..1 😂
I seen H4 too but don't understand why he did that in between move instead of going there right away?
I love these engine vs engine videos! Keep ‘em up!
Ever since I started watching engine games I lost interest in watching Carlsen
7:03 Levy making sure he's safe when the AI apocalypse comes
He was held hostage by the fish
What a video, absolutely incredible wow, Gotham really be pushing all the best content
it hasn't even been 1 min until the video was uploaded lol
lmao...Its been 1 minute since the vid has been posted and you already watched it. ;)
Man be going into a movie theater saying this is the best movie i watched 1 min in, and then stands up and leaves
Dick riding for free...
Yeah that's the joke actually, if it was needed to be said lol
Always love seeing engine play. It’s like measuring the Marigolds.
Levy! Two more ideas if you still want to do more engine vs engine content:
Chess engine version of Noob Arena where two engines continue a famous game midway through.
One game using a single opening but with different engines against each other to see their different play styles, eg. Stockfish vs Stockfish, Komodo vs Komodo, Lc0 vs Lc0, etc.
We already have Stockfish v. Stockfish, but yeah, the other engines vs themselves would be interesting.
I have a beginner question, regarding the pawn to C4 "brilliant, genius move" that no one could've guessed. Why is it so genius? Levy points out that it cut off the queen's diagonal. So if two GMs were studying the positions and are thinking about all the possible lines of attack, especially with such few pieces left on the board, wouldn't they think of the queen's diagonal and potential ways to stop it? Honest question as someone trying to understand these analyses.
Humans play chess just differently, instead of strict math and exhausting and rating all the options 30 moves ahead often it's more about how things feel, what sort of presence they represent and abstract advantages seeing the exchanges and situations just a couple moves ahead.
For humans it's a move that feels wrong from the outset, a complete shift of focus away from the active pressure followed by some pretty hard to see board evolution. Sure you can easily see it cuts away the queen's diagonal, but do you want to do that? Now? Aren't there more pressing exchanges which could cost you the game if you don't follow them?
So the brilliance is quite hidden in the sense that it's 1) seemingly low value 2) resulting in kind of a complex and hard to quantify board evolution 3) fear of losing an advantage.
I somehow found pawn capturing on g5 and qh5 then later king g2. I felt really good because yesterday I played a game where I blundered my damn queen in one of the worst ways possible😂. Feel free to upload more of these Alpha zero and Stockfish games. They are very nice to watch.
Í was excited because I saw it a move before b5 . I didn't see h1 and wouldn't know how to go from there, but im proud we saw it and would've played it
@@nicholasparker2086 GTE from just reading a comment. Your elo is around 1000-1200, am I right? cheers!! btw.
I love these bot battle videos, my favorite is the Leela vs. Stockfish. That game showed a very interesting and unusual way of playing chess (well, unusual for low ELO me) - neutralizing enemy pieces instead of capturing them.
The queen move around 8 mins reminds me of a few games played by Korchnoi. He seemed to have a habit of making consecutive bishop moves to draw out the position a bit.
Stockfish didn't just get crushed. It got crushed five years ago (which you told us in your opening remarks). (The title of this video just got changed so my comment no longer applies.)
and plus does someone knows the details of the hardware that these 2 engines were running on? i am pretty sure stockfish had weaker one or was that some other game??
Thanks for saving my time
@@JustAPokemonCommentingOnVideos and stockfish always makes a comeback anyways...soooo, I'm just not impressed
@@JustAPokemonCommentingOnVideos Like, AlphaZero got to use some fancy Google custom TPUs. No amount hardware can equal that. And the insane thing is, we now know that Stockfish almost held the position.
The engine speaks for itself
Hans Niemann speaks for himself
Wow man you’re so funny and original
hey levy, i just wanted to say how much i appreciate your grind. ive been an everyday viewer since covid ( i know what a shock) and you work so hard to make exciting content! thank you, for being apart of my life nearly every day. in your home in NYC or traveling i still love the videos you make BTW.
i hope you know you have done an outstanding job with content while on ur travel setup, ur great!
I couldn't care less about your recording setup because the content speaks for itself 👏👏👏
Good hans reference lol.
I wonder if this is just going to be a meme forever in the chess world
Title: Stockfish JUST got crushed
Reality: Stockfish got crushed in 2016
True i hat that clickbait
Could also mean "stockfish simply got crushed"
That annoyed me too. I was hoping to see a brand new innovation in computer chess!
@@soupisfornoobs4081 Yeah and as always he changes the title after about an hour to make it less clickbaity
@@soupisfornoobs4081 He simply wanted the video to perform well in the first hour with clickbait and than changes the title for the viewers who would have watch the vid anyway later
Hey levy, I just wanted to ask you if you ever going to continue the 'eloswap series'. For me that was such an entertaining and fun series to watch .
Levy, your videos are awesome asf man. Congratulations
6:05 that burn caught me off guard damn
Thx 👍
Levy, I know people complain, but honestly I just am glad you put out some quality content for us basically every day. Bad lighting? So what, at least we have something to watch. So thanks brother!
The lighting was actually pretty good this time. You look a little jank but your travel production has gotten much better. Excellent work Levy. Your dedication to be the best chess youtuber is legendary.
I would say “obliterated” is my favorite verb when describing someone being badly beaten in a board game.
It would be interesting to see what Levi thinks about today's stockfish claiming it's equal and whatever move it would have made to prevent AlphaZero's attack.
I watch a lot of your content, but for some reason this game review just hit different! Thank you and safe travels!
Wow
That board geometry makin me feel some type of way
the lighting is very nice. It's very nice that you are always trying to improve, even while being in a hotel, where it may be harder.
Levy trying to pronounce Zwischenzug is always the funniest thing to me :D
Good video!
Agreed! It's not a clean German pronunciation. With the NYC connection I like to imagine it's Yiddish but maybe it's Slavic.
@@SethKBaldwin No, it is simply the pronunciation of an English speaker.
I am an everyday viewer and I am sure it is not the first time you are hearing this but you are a treasure to the chess world. Wish you the best Levy ❤
This was really a brilliant game with a brilliant explanation from you levy😁
You know a move is important when he pauses for a sec after he says it
I’m so proud of myself for guessing that move correctly when you asked 😂
The H pawn takes maneuver seems like something that I would have made
Which is to say it seems like the worst possible move.
I was shocked that I saw it as a newbie.
Hey Levy, big fan! Any chance you can tag the openings in your recaps. It would really help finding high level games with certain openings, being explained by you of course. Much love from Aus.
I thought this was a recent game between them but it's not. I made a fool of myself.
A quick note here: SF8 in those match up was not setup properly. Even running the same version of SF8 on different harware against SF8 version that played against A0 showed different result that ended in draws.
Would love to see Alphazero at its best versus the latest Stockfish running on high end hardware.
That's happened many times at TCEC.
@@seasideman I take it stockfish won?
@@JB_inks Yes
@@seasideman I looked, I can't see any results
@@seasideman Alphazero was never available to the public so it has never played at TCEC
Very proud of myself for seeing Qh4+ right before h4 was first played and realizing it would later save the queen, then seeing Qh1
"No Stockfish did not blunder mate in 1. Its not Halloween. Stockfish is not dressed like you." Damnnnnnnnn
With the amount of interesting games happening now at TCEC and you had to go back to A0?! 🤦♂
I wonder what would happen if alphazero got more training time instead of only four hours. Is it already as optimized as possible, or would it be even crazier?
7:56 It's so odd to see bots baiting bots. Calculated mind tricks against calcultors.
It's not really a bait. AlphaZero would likely have gone Qd6 as black as well. So when deciding between Qa4 and Qf4, it basically just calculated whether it prefers black's queen on d6 or d8 and decided for d6. Inducing a move like this is a somewhat common tactic in high elo games, but more often with pawn moves as they can't move back obviously.
Generally, engines don't do "mind games". Engines always assume their opponent plays just like them when doing their calculations.
It's hard to say, the folks working at Google certainly know what they are doing. However, AlphaZero in this video was using a method called MCTS, the Monte Carlo Tree Search algorithm, and it was way more efficient than the brute force calculation that StockFish was using at the time. Current day engines use a new method called NNUE - stands for Efficiently Updatable Neural Network - and basically this just means that they have combined the brute force and MCTS methods together. (It is a little more complicated than that, but that explains it well-enough in simple terms)
As strong as the MCTS method was, it was still not the most optimal way of doing things. It cut down computations by having a "stored memory bank" (think preparation but an entire game's worth vs the first x moves) that it could reference, and it built this reference by playing against itself. You could certainly feed additional databases into this to make it stronger, but it would still have a blind spot or two somewhere and would need to rely on it's own computational power to solve positions, which brute force methods were still better at doing.
So now we have engines that have this huge network of databases that they can reference, they store the games that they play to increase the size of said database, but they also still have fine-tuned brute force calculation methods to try and evaluate complex positions when they don't have a reference to the position on the board.
Honestly, it would be really cool if one of the major NNUE competitors (Stockfish, Fire, LCZ) would start releasing these databases in a form akin to move explorers so that we could see if this position "has ever been reached before" in that computer's database - this would allow us to illustrate the differences between the "MCTS" and "Brute Force" methods much easier.
@@LunaticSoldiers ah thank you. I guess it's weird to think that every single possible outcome of chess is theoretically possible to calculate but absolutely not probable. Then again my phone I'm typing this on would be an impossible miracle two decades ago so who knows.
@@willowdrakon We used to try and do that with computer engines back in the day! :)
Sometimes they would take all day to make one move. Some would take even longer, encroaching on multiple days or even weeks if left to their own conventions.
Simply put, some moves are actually just bad and don't deserve a second thought, and the first huge computer milestone came when we were able to teach engines how to identify what moves to ignore. It increased computational efficiency by allowing them to ignore the millions of branches that stemmed from a bad move.
I'm not sure how well-versed you are on the MCTS algorithm but it was and is still a very huge computer milestone for lots of AI projects and not just Chess.
Specifically, it enables us to emulate the human approach to problems. We stand on the shoulders of giants, our ancestors, who have already figured out information prior to us and we are steadily finding new discoveries to add to that ever-growing list. the MCTS algorithm does just that, but since it is a computer, it can simulate generations much faster than we would see it happen in the real world.
Likewise, we also have the ability to establish a framework that the AI can start with. An example would be that the first generation of AI samples learning to walk would probably all mostly fall over, but one might take two or three steps. We can then create a second generation where they all start with that three step foundation. Now, the best iteration of that generation may have taken 12 steps. We can rinse and repeat this until we have a generational number that the hypothesis demands.
In Chess, the approach is similar but you don't really have to add generations to the list because you can just store the results of the games vs itself in it's own database and, provided your algorithms make sense, they can just make decisions based on those algorithms. When in a match, the first step in the algorithm is to perform a "tree search" to see how many times this position has been reached, and then select the move with the highest winning percentage. It is extremely efficient in terms of computational power, but it has a big oversight; what if the opponent has a move that destroys the position, but has not been played yet? This is where engines will still take a brute force approach to compute their chances based on their algorithms.
It is really fascinating stuff, honestly.
They probably saturated their network in those 4 hours (aka, the network won't get stronger with more training). And saying "4 hours" was much better for PR purposes as seen by the fact that you still remember it even if it was 4 years ago.
I love listening to this man talk about chess and analyze games. He takes something that may otherwise be rather boring if you watched it on your own, and makes it awesome and interesting. Like a good commentator during a competitive MMA match, you're a good commentator Levy. :)
"It’s not Halloween and Stockfish is not dressed up as you”
You didn't have to cut me off
No school it’s canceled let’s goooooooooo🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Can we just appreciate how mush effort he puts into his videos?
No.
None?
"mush"
That H1 move was Epic. C4 was brilliant.
I swear this game never ceases to amaze me in its versatility and elegance
No hate but wasn't this game on 2017? Not sure so asking
This guy is getting us some crazy and frequent content and I don’t accept a lower production in the futur.
the compensating joke made this a great watch
Every time I'm waiting for the blunder but then remember who is playing
Stop making money out of old and outdated news.
Plz give pin of shame
There is probably millions of moves like that bishop moves that alters the game slightly that none of the computers can see
I saw the first queen move, the rest was way beyond me. I love these engine games. Always extremely interesting.
thanks for the vid Levy
Dudeeeeeeeeee
Cuz of you now even I've started "get outta here" everytime 😂
Imagine developing a chess engine and improving it everyday and then suddenly came Google DeepMind team and demolished your engine in just a month of work...
And now bcs u kept improving it every day, it's now much better than what Google could ever do
@@-zelda- Because Deepmind stopped developing AlphaZero, and everyone knows what happened when they worked on it. Just imagine what will happen if they restarted to work on it...
@@awmdanger9677 Nothing would happen, look at Leela, it's an engine based on the same ideas as Alphazero but much stronger and it can't catch up to Stockfish
@@-zelda- Google deepmind team has world's best dl Engineers and if they stopped building alphazero doesn't mean that they can't beat stockfish.
@@awmdanger9677 It doesn't mean that they can either lol again, Leela is way way stronger than Alphazero (the one made by "world's best dl engineers" lmfao) and it is still weaker than the fish
This has to be the craziest game I've ever seen
So proud to know I got the first 2 out of 3 “savage” moves
To this day my favorite part of these videos is the "get outta hear" at the end
the me who see the move on 14:00 before he even ask what to do thinking ' maybe I really am a chess prodigy ' 🤣
Having stockfish evaluate this game is equivalent to showing a calculator an equation you solved that it gave an error to.
Beautiful game. Beautiful commentary. Beautiful Levy.
we appreciate the better lighting lol
I just learn chess from you and became a fan of you teaching
your travel setup has better acoustics than your home one
I felt very smart for seeing h takes g5 and Qh4 but I very much did not understand what the follow up would be
Been waiting for more of this content
Creating the attack on the h file, then shifting to the center, kind of amazing
I love stockfish analyzing getting crushed
It's like one of the many Morphy vs. Rufus & Doofus games where he would prevent the opponent from using all their pieces.
just insane, a hole game focused on the h1 a8 diag and the d7 square
Loved it. Thanks Levy.
can you set up a miniature background of your usual, whenever you travel? like the cash plant and the ac?
4:16 acording to stockfish 15 at 50 depth, the best move in that position for white is Nc3, not e4
Better lightning *knod of approval*
Love the way you casually roast us.
That was actually me playing as Alphazero after I went through Levy’s lessons on chessly
Didn't the stockfish alphazero matches always use an opening book, or is this a case of one where none were used? I think trying to explain Alphazero's opening choice doesn't make sense because I'm pretty sure this is a force sequence for the first few moves, but I could be wrong
13:45 Guessing the idea for white after b5 before Levy actually shows the move. I'm liking the look of hxg5+ fxg5 Qh4+.
White takes on g5 to clear the h4 square, and after black recaptures the g pawn remains pinned by the bishop on e3 allowing Qh4+.
What's not clear to me, though, is where white should move the queen after Qh4+ Kg6. If black responds to the check with Kg7 then, obviously, just Bxg5, but after Kg6 it's not clear to me whether the white queen should go to h1 or h2. Probably Qh1 is better because that creates a battery with the g2 bishop, but Qh2 also still looks reasonable.
At a point, this has almost made me cry.
Awesome game ! Thanks man . Did Alphabot manage to win with the black pieces ?
this man is the type of guy to beat you up, tell you how you could have won the fight, then insults you and leaves
Its 2am and I got school tmr Idk why but this is very tempting to watch