Natalie Haynes: Talking Classics with Time Team
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- We're honoured to be joined for tea by Natalie Haynes - stand-up comedian, author, classicist and presenter of BBC Radio 4's much-loved 'Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics'.
Natalie discusses her latest book, 'Pandora's Jar', with Tim Taylor, and shares insights on the classical influence that the Romans introduced to Britain.
Find out more about Natalie on her official website: nataliehaynes....
Please note: Some of themes of this discussion relating to Ancient Greek mythology and culture might be distressing and unsuitable for younger audiences.
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Very interesting, thank you
On the topic of Greek being used in Britain - do we know if this was just used by Romans who had come from Greece or if the more sophisticated Roman citizens also used Greek?
My understanding is yes, educated Romans and the elite typically spoke Greek. The Roman empire had a complicated relationship with Greek culture. Recognizing themselves militarily superior, they seemed (by and large, massive generalization here) to feel culturally inferior to the culture that they had subsumed.
If you’d like a little more audio detail on this, I recommend you to the BBC programme In Our Time, specifically the recent episode on Marcus Aurelius.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000sjxt
Simon Goldhill, Professor of Greek Literature and Culture and Fellow of King’s College, Cambridge discusses this starting at about the 4 minute mark.
Perhaps Time Team could have an associated poet or composer to write poems or songs about the stories found and the stories of finding. Th stories are so powerful.
that's such a good idea!! It also reminds me of that one episode where they played a recreated an instrument that I think was a kind of lute and read a Time Team version of Saxon(?) poetry - that was great, both the art of it and a demonstration of what mattered so much to the people of the times being studied
I have to say when people talk about Great Britains Boudica is my top choice. First off she was a Celt not of Roman or French or German decent. Secondly she took on the most powerful army in the world and pretty much kicked arse for a while.
I've read that Queen Boudicca took her last stand, and was killed, here in South Northants. In Whittle Wood, near Whittlebury. But who can ever prove that now? It interests me, no least, as that's where my Dad's from. I live a few miles away. Totally unconnected...but right on the edge of the Danelaw....Watling Street.
Been a fan of Natalie Haynes since she was a stand-up. Get her in the show! She’d make a great presenter. Entertaining and knowledgeable.
I bought Under Another Sky last October - highly recommended!
So interesting. You’ve sent me down a new rabbit hole. This is why I support Time Team on Patreon. Can’t wait to have you back!
I've enjoyed Natalie's "Stand up for the classics" on the radio but haven't read any of her novels. But I'll certainly get "Pandora's Jar" for a different viewpoint. Although I'd rather hear her enthusiastic voice telling the story than read it.
The few classicists I have met personally have all been decidedly boring - what a delight to listen to Natalie Haynes...
supervisors are generally hated, but really they aren't lazy, and they have many people to communicate with in order to keep things in line. what I'm saying is that yes, get the whole team together but bring in some strong backs to do the digging while you supervise, and don't pull your back out when you get excited and jump in a trench. I still want to see some revisiting of sites you've dug in the past and if the locals have found anything else or expanded the searches. it would be a lot easier than doing a dig to just go talk with locals and see what they have come up with after your 3 days, am I right? Love you all, willy
I really love the engagement with local people, the Team chatting with them and a chance to look at their accumulated finds, too! Even when they don't have big community digs or test pitting there is that opportunity to chat or take in submitted photos, stories at most sites I'd think. And to hear about what the presence of the archaeology means to them, personally and practically (like the many sites where the locals were looking into doing restorations or making a community green space out of the area)
I love Natalie Haynes! Binge listened to Stand up to the Classics on BBC iPlayer as it was so funny and informative. The Odyssey episode particularly. Natalie led me to finally pick up Herodotus.
This was very enlightening. It certainly puts those mosaic floors into perspective, rather than just being a cool feature of architecture or construction.
These are such a gift! Love every single one of them.
My great uncle took us walking Hadrian's wall on vacation. I miss those trips, and can't find any pictures.
This was a great interview!! Anyone who has a Rothko print on the wall, has to be a great artiste!!
Interesting point about Orpheus being retold repeatedly y men. I hadn’t thought about it. My familiarity with this myth is mostly theater and goes from reading Ovid as a freshman in college to Mary’s Zimmerman’s (wonderful) play Metamorphoses to Hadestown (starting with the 2010 album, and then the stage adaptation of it). I knew it was a popular Greek myth for modern times, but it hadn’t occurred to me that I had only seen it retold from a female perspective. In the same class in college, which was a basic freshman seminar and covered all kinds of Greek myth and beyond, we read The Odyssey and the followed it with The Penelopiad by Margaret Atwood, which I would recommend to anybody.
I look forward to getting to read/see these at some point! I am wondering, with the retellings of Eurydice's story from female author perspectives, do you remember if they address the attempted rape in the beginning in any different way? Whether omitting it, or actually treating it as more than window dressing (as I got the sense it is in the original) to get her running to her death and start the plot. Rape is so common in Greek myths. I'm pretty sure it is the first place I read the word, maybe even knew the idea. Looking up the name of a moon.
Check out Hadestown...My favorite twist of Eurydice's tale.
Natalie Is Brilliant She Would Be Awesome Being One Of The Time Team 👍👍
Natalie you remind me of Nana Mouskouri , can you sing as well as write and what a lovely speaker to boot
Have anyone thought to have Ms Haynes be the coordinator aka Sir Tony place?
A truly brilliant conversation! Thank you for sharing.
Pandora’s Jar.
Fantastic book.
Thoroughly enjoyed and entertained but also so educationsal.
Educational 👍
let us keep it real time team ask Tony and Phil to be part of it please
They are busy. Have prior commitments
@Kevin James Parr, Tim Taylor interviewed Tony 2-3 weeks ago on this channel. You must have missed it. It’s quite good. Look under the “videos” tab when you click on the icon for this“Time Team Official” channel.
I know little to nothing about the 'Classics' and less about Roman occupied Britain but was a fan of the original Time Team. We now know this young lady is a new addition to the team and without a doubt an incredible asset.. As for me, I could watch this super intelligent, clever, funny, attractive and animated young lady tell stories about the origin of grape jello...
Young? She’s 50!
I'm 75..@@Brinta3
Thank you for sharing your time stay safe
I love “Natalie Haynes Stands up for the Classics”. I listen over again to these; it is so interesting. She makes the classics fun!
fantastic interview thank you both
I could listen to this all day this video is very interesting.
I'm part way throughNatalie's The children ofJocaster and while it's not a laugh a minute, it's been a brilliant take on a traditional, sad story and despite that Im thoroughly enjoying this novel. Looking forward to listening to Natalie on TT 👍🏼
I really loved this talk! Thank you so much Natalie and Tim! If possible I feel like I'm equally looking forward to Natalie being there for some Time Team digs :) I also had a few thoughts on the story she told, the Greek tale of Eurydice and Orpheus one.
Though I don't doubt her analysis of it, on a "societal" scale (fits what I've seen of the world, at least), how I related to the story when she told it was very different. Perhaps because I never have really read or heard the whole thing and heard it in summary here in what is apparently the modern way - focus being on the looking back and losing her part.
I felt it as realizing that no matter how much work you put into memorialising or artistically rendering a lost loved one, they are still lost - dead. If you exhumed the body, there it would be, going to dust in front of you. You could be such a great musician and with your art "bring back" that dead person in everyone's mind, but if you had the hubris to think you'd really done it and brought her back? If you went to "look" for her? Still gone. And I guess that if you can cherish (and not come to hate for not being "real") what you can have (the memory, however fragmenting, and the art) you will have successfully not "looked back" and lost it all.
Switching to the small and personal, that is exactly what happened to me putting together photos of lost loved ones (including my late cat) - just repeatedly caring so much about that process but then finding it hollow because it's not them and so losing even the small joy from the memories (until getting through it and getting that back again). So no wonder I hear the story that way, I guess, and because I know so many people go through the same thing I would bet that's not an uncommon connection other people might make.
But that the ancient Greek people didn't focus on that moment of the "looking back" mistake at all does suggest strongly that what I got most out of it was not what they did! At least not the majority Natalie mentions. Which, thinking about it later, made me laugh and wonder if it was more like a sitcom to them. The point of the "look back" mistake instead being to reset the world, make sure no matter what fantastical stuff got to happen throughout the fun part - the important part - of the story (the great music playing and journey to underworld) the critical elements of life have to stay the same at the end, so no real resurrection. Instead, an error at the last second and a return to status quo.
The notion of Eurydice being fed up with Orpheus going on about his music and glad to get away from him in the Underworld isn't unique to Carol Ann Duffy. It's part of the plot of the comin opera Orpheus in the Underworld (at least the English version: I don't know about the original French version).
This was absolutely wonderful. Please give us more more more of this, here and on Patreon. I could watch these all day. Just brilliant, as you say.
Welcome to the new team! Glad to have the show back and glad you're joining it!
This is a fantastic interview so very inspiring and Under Another Sky is brilliant !
This is a writer promoting her book and so very little of the hidden Britain exposed by Time Team
???? The book title barely features to the point I missed it and had to look in the description, she's talking about Time Team at many points, archaeology in the UK and elsewhere (Time Team has long been interested in all archaeology and history - see the Spain digs, etc), reflecting on Romanised Britain, and the experience of looking into the past and connecting with the people who lived then. I think it is relevant. Of course, like you, I am always dismayed by the continued existence of marketing and having to relate to each other through purchases and sales, but I don't think she (like many of us) is necessarily the root cause to blame for that... or corrupted in motives by it to the point of that being "just" or "all" of what this is... despite still making our living in these systems and so, yes, having those motives and pressures influence us. Which is part of the "dismay" I think!