Facsimile 1 FOUND In Egyptian Temple!?
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Bruce Porter and Greg discuss the image of Facsimile 1 of the Book of Abraham on a wall at Karnak, Egypt in the Temple of Opet.
The engraved image has Osiris on a Lion Couch bed, with his feet APART and his Hand in front of his mouth. What is its meaning? How might this fit in with the Royal Procession and our own temple experiences? And what context does this give to the Book of Abraham and the other facsimiles?
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I don’t know if anyone watched the coronation of King Charles or episodes of The Crown regarding Elizabeth’s coronation, but it is strikingly similar to the initiatory. They enter a curtained area, dressed in new clothing, many monarchs receive a new name by which they are to reign as, and anointed as a king/queen with oil by a priest. Similar things go back through all sorts of monarchies, emperors, and even pharaohs. It is man’s lesser copycat form of the sacred and divine.
The same families who created Christianity & the R C church also created the m0narchy. They were deservedly ousted from Egypt by the Persians long ago. They migrated up thru Greece then Rome then GB & Germany…ruthlessly building empires along the way. Today they own/control a majority of the planet. Ever notice the handful of countries the U S always seems to have problems with are the ones the Rothschllds don’t own banks in? Yeah, the rev war was an intentionally created illusion of division too.
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We took this Egypt trip with Greg and Bruce last Fall. COMPLETELY opened our eyes to the ordinances. Worth every penny. Thank you both for all you share.
Been waiting 45 years for some saints to speak of these things. Great stuff as always. Love it.
I have recently been made aware of a controversy over the image representing the hand being held up by Joseph in our Book of Abraham. Some say it is not a hand but feathers. Therefore the entire image is false. This example from an Egyptian tomb shows that It is indeed a hand not feathers. To bad and shame on the enemies of truth, you lose again! Fools believe the tails of fools; but the wise man seeks after the truth.
It would make sense that Ham trained his posterity in the religion of Noah, who was alive while Abraham was alive. Abraham was 56 when Noah died. Them was still alive. It makes sense that Ham would also be alive. Our endowment gives us keys to become kings and queens, the sons and daughters of God. The keys are the tokens we received, going through the veil is our passing to immortality. This is fascinating to say the least.
I'm commenting here, because I'm not able to comment in the main thread. I'm not commenting directly on your post. I think Greg has me blocked or something. I can't comment at all. But I truly don't understand what Greg is saying. And I'm not going to listen to his comments for 40 minutes. Is he claiming to have found something that the church leadership itself is unaware of? Highly unlikely.
@@joncharlotteschoenI don’t think he is really saying anything, they are simply discussing parallels between Egyptian theology and our theology. They can prove nothing, but then neither can the Church so it is all speculation and conjecture, but this is what keeps it interesting. So many mysteries, and so little knowledge, but we all have faith in the unknown. Without faith there is no religion, no God.
Noah didn't exist and the Noahs ark story is joke
@@joncharlotteschoen
He’s saying that they are now finding facsimiles in Egypt that are exactly like the facsimiles in the LDS Pearl of Great Price. In other words, Joesph Smith didn’t make up those facsimiles. We are finding they existed anciently as well.
There was no Jew slaves in Egypt. Jews didn't build the pyramid therefore noah and moses didn't exist.
Why can't we get this Documented and make it Publicly known to Defend our Faith from attacks from critics.
In the end all will know every knee will bow!
Please do this type of discussion more often. Wonderful!
Always learn something about endowment and temple with Bruce! 💯
His brain is packed!
Great comment about the need to develop CHARACTER to obtain exaltation. That is why we follow Jesus. And the insight that temple work is a series of ascension ceremonies reminding us we have potential to be heirs of our Celestial Father, or in Spanish, our Padre Celestial. (It is kind of sad that His common title in English - Heavenly Father - somewhat diminishes who and where He really is. Thankfully in other languages like Spanish we can call Him by His proper designation, reminding us of our divine heritage.)
"The Ancient Tradition" podcast does an amazing job at connecting christ and temples to Egyptian and other ancient cultures
Yes! I too have been listening to "The Ancient Tradition" I am on episode 13 or 14 now. It's really fun. Any idea who "Jack Logan" is?
@@AnthonyYandow I do not and I hope we never know and the work just speaks for itself and non-lds people listen in droves without worrying if it's a Mormon speaking
This is wonderful material! I’d love to see all of this packaged as a class of some kind.
A wonderful resource for a class type experience is “The Ancient Tradition” podcast with Dr Jack Logan. You won’t be disappointed.
Amazing & wonderful info!! Thank you both!! Hope our "world" retains enough order for your Egypt tour! I so wish I could go~ but it would take years for circumstances in my life to allow. So grateful for the internet in this respect...I get to learn so much every day thru podcast such as yours. Thx again
Abraham was substituted in for Osiris in funerary texts in Jewish settlements in Egypt. The Lion Couch scene is also a spell of protection over the tomb, Abraham inverts that in a poetic and almost chiasmus style to be a blessing from the tomb, death and hell. Abraham used like we use Adam. Based on an event from Abraham, it appropriated New Kingdom Egyptian characters to be a temple blessing.
Well stated! I like the insight.
Thank you
@@CwicShow thank you The Haystack channel talks about this a lot.
@@noskalborg723 You're welcome
IMO:
The point of the "Books of Breathing" was to substitute yourself in for Osiris. The image is always Osiris but individuals would use their own names in the text. The fact that somebody made a "Books of Breathings" for Abraham isn't much evidence of anything other than they wanted Abraham to have one probably because they assumed he was buried without it. In this context it's more like doing baptism for the dead. The lion couch scene I'm familiar with, with Abrahams name, is in a Greek spell book. This indicates it came much later.
The "Books of Breathing" Joseph Smith purchased were created for a man name "Hor". Hor was probably the mummy that was found with the book and possibly purchased by Joseph Smith as well. He was probably wealthy but certainly not royalty.
This reminds me of High Nibley’s lecture “rediscovery of the apocrypha”. That was one of my favorites on my mission. He talks about the same concept of Egypt and other surrounding cultures getting the Gospel from the true religion, not the other way around. Great video Greg! It’s nice to have a good voice of reason in this crazy world
What do you think of the idea that even though the tabernacle and temple were used in times past that once Jesus was born, taught, died and was resurrected that there was no more need for temples due to he wanted to bring us to the Father directly?
I think whatever the Lord wants is what we do. Latter-day Saints believe the God hasn’t stopped revealing his will through prophets. And so if the Lord wants us to practice a different form of temple worship, we do. What you’re suggesting is one interpretation of scriptures put forth by Protestant reformers in the 1500s. And if we believed in sola scriptura we might engage in a scriptural discussion about whether that’s the right interpretation, or whether the Catholics and Orthodox have a better view, or someone else. But when you have a living spokesman relaying messages from the lord, you take what God says himself instead of the ideas of someone who is forming opinions about what god said in the past.
@@MommaCrissa O don't know of anywhere that Jesus says there are no more need of temples. In fact there are prophecies of future temples (the 3rd temple). The temple is a way Jesus brings us to the Father directly. It has been around since the beginning of time as the Garden of Eden was a symbol of a temple.
@@joeshawcroft7121 Yes, actually you're right. I didn't complete my thought it looks like. Absolutely there was a need for temples, and also a temple in end times. But, in the Book of a Mormon there is not an instance of "temple worship" as we have now. They gathered at the temple to be taught. All of them too, there weren't people excluded. Look through it yourself and please find anything different. I'll be glad to read it. I am 100 percent for believing in Gospel truths.
@@777johbro yes, but do you truly understand what a prophet is? I'm not trying to be patronizing. We are all meant to be prophets, that is what God hoped for us. If we look around in the church and in the world that seems ridiculous, but is it not what is asked of us in the scriptures and what Joseph Smith taught? Understanding what the precepts of men are verses what a prophet is and teaches are crucial.
Absolutely incredible. I thought I had a general idea on these connections of symbologies. This just really brought it together in such an amazing way with the endowment. Thanks!!!
The tour looks cool. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I didn't realize there were Christians who thought similarly to me on Osiris.
One of the best Porter Videos .
I love this stuff !! Other than the video on the Joseph Scrolls, where can I find more videos like this ?
Thank you, Greg, for this episode! I was so fascinated with everything Bruce shared. Having just attended the Palmyra Temple yesterday, it was poignant to hear the connections to Egyptian theology.
So awesome! Thanks for sharing Greg! I so want to go on the tour on the Nile but have little children now. Hopefully you’ll keep doing this for a few years!
Let’s plan on it!
Any chance you can make videos available for these tours?
We went in January and it was a fantastic experience. Go if you can
Nice video. Can you comment on the age/date of the hieroglyphic and the evolution of Egyptian religion? Does this say anything about the pyramids?
It seems in the middle panel on the left side, 35:26min. that the people at the head and the foot of the lion couch are female figures, rather than male. Would this have any connection to the Second Anointing ordinance(s)?
So glad to hear more from Bruce Porter! I listened to his video on the facsimiles years ago and it was so fascinating!
I think if you take a closer look, you'll see that his legs are crossed not word spread apart, either that or the left foot is sitting on the right foot, but still not spread apart
Yo, I heard about this from a conversation I had with Bruce Porter years ago. Been trying to find it forever. It would completely destroy the argument of Joseph Smith incorrectly filling in the missing parts of the papyrus and prove him a true prophet, anyone know where to find a picture?
Search "Temple of Opet" You'll find it.
My father in law left the church based off his skepticism of the book of Abraham.
@@chrisblanc663 Many do. They pull back one layer of the onion and don't realize there are many more.
@@chrisblanc663 My condolences, my father also left the church due to the CES Letter, amongst other things.
I'm confused how this destroys the argument actually, is there a layer of apologetics I missed? The argument is joe says F1 is Abraham being sacrificed, and that's still not what this is?
This is excellent. Thank you for your presentation.
You're very welcome!
The opening of the mouth by Anubis . Is the clearing of the mouth and airway of a new born . Right ?
You're seeing the same thing because they are both allegories for the same thing. It's something everyone can achieve and if it has NOTHING to do with its literal interpretation. They're communicating divine truth through symbols and art.. this is the great mystery tradition which used symbols and allegories in the form of myth and scripture. Jesus and the redeemed Pharaoh are describing the same thing.. there's only one way to the divine, always was and always will be and that's by going inside yourself.. you're looking at the outward symbols and giving little to no attention to the symbolic meaning.. on every Egyptian temple is the admonition "man, know thyself" and it was the job of the priest to explain to the initiate what stories truly mean. In the stories YOU are Osiris YOU are Jesus, YOU are Odin, mithras, attis, dionysius, persephone, Innana or the Aztec hero twins. In every culture throughout time you'll find the mysteries if only you have eyes to see and ears to hear
Are you psychic?
Not many know about
The things you speak of
It's great wisdom
Worth more than gold
It’s a funerary text. A burial text. It makes sense that it would be found where people were buried.
It's in a temple.
Just as the present flows and changes daily so did the past . We've been trained to look at history as snapshots that are frozen in time. But they were never frozen at any one point. Things change daily, weekly, monthly and so on and on.
Thank you for so freely sharing this evidence and insight, rather than putting it behind a paywall of 10% of income.
You guys rock.
We don't have to participate in the Higher Law of Consecration to watch UA-cam.
Tell me you don’t pay tithing without telling me you don’t pay tithing…
Awesome how proof of the Bible also evidences the Restoration
Abraham put Himself on the Lion couch under persecution of the Egyptian false priesthood order of unknown and false gods. He put Himself there to replace Osiris with the true priesthood of Jesus Christ down through Abraham .
Why does the person on the couch have a "bird" or something on his groin😁 😆
So the question in my mind is, Who is alive today who will be sacrificed and then will this person, he or she, mind you, be raised from the dead? Just asking....
This is so fascinating!
Ok so tell me what you guys got on osiris.
What is a good introductory text on this topic as a whole? Has Bruce written anything for the beginner?
I second this request! Have bought some books from brother Porter, but don’t believe he has anything on these new findings (at least new for us non archaeologists).
Are you referring to the book of Abraham as a whole? If so the series let’s talk about the book of Abraham by Dr Kerry mulstein who is a Egyptologist is a good intro and then if you want a more meat and potatoes the BYU studies “A Guide to the Book of Abraham” which is a collaboration of multiple experts in Egyptology which you can buy in book form or read in pdf form for free is a must read
@@tomabros9008 the BYU studies book, do you know how rich/full it is with different sources, video links, language, geography, etc? I have found that some of their videos are really reaching sometimes.
Christianity is based on the Egyptian religion. Nearly identical in so many aspects. 12 disciples, 12 sons, resurrection, Sun of God, light of the world.
You have it exactly backward.
@@jaredshipp9207 Sadly for you I have it right. All religions for the most part are based on the Sun's path around the sun. It travels thru 12 months aka Apostles with a birth and resurrection on Xmas and Easter during the solstice's. The crown of thorns represents the Sun and its rays. The same light of the sun shines on everyone equally aka loves everyone the same. The sun brings life and without it there would be only death.
Where do you think the Egyptians got it?
@@drwho5437 With the benefit of modern revelation, we know Adam and Eve, as well as the ancient patriarchs, all knew of Christ. The New and Everlasting Covenant was first established with Adam.
@@jaredshipp9207 I worship the one and true Sun. The true bringer of life. To put a human figure as God is quite childish.
Great discussion! I’d love to join you in September!
Please do!
Coming with Bruce Porter and I????? Sorry, as an ESL teacher, I have to correct this all-too-common mistake. Coming with Bruce Porter and ME.
Lol. And up above, I believe the commenter meant tales, not tails. But, we can blame auto-correct?
@lukeslc-xd8ds And the rule is so simple - I learned it in school. Take out the other person/people, and what would you say - "I" or "me" ?
Why is Egypt used by the Lord as a place of refuge?
Joseph was sent there to set it up as a place of refuge for his father and 11 brothers.
Jesus was taken there as a infant child to protect him from Herod.
For several reasons, but mostly because of the wickedness of ancient Jewish leadership.
What happened to Shem and Japeth. Why so much about Ham???
Probably, because from Ham came Egypt (Mizraim), one of the most ancient civilizations that we know a lot about, and Canaan from which Israel would later try to cleanse (in time). Who did the other brothers birth (in regards to nations)?
Idk if there is any revealed info about the other brothers. I know there are a lot of traditions about them, though I forget them myself.
Through Shem you get Abraham and the house of Israel along with other Middle Eastern cultures. Through Japeth comes the gentile nations.
@@stevehumble8865yes - including Asia
Doesn't answer my ? These two were supposedly more righteous, why didn't they leave remnants of their faith?
If people took the time ,you can do this to all abrahimic religions. All of it is reused stories from ancient times. Even mythology from all over the world . But you follow without question , for generations
Without question? Quite the assumption.
@@CwicShow not you personally, I mean the faith system
Greg you remind me of a LDS version of Tony Stark as played by RD Jr 😂
Well, I guess I have the goatee. Not sure what else.
@@CwicShow lol don't let it go to your head Bro Greg!
@@rconger24he literally didn’t let it go to his head in his comment
This is the Boat Is that Is Pharaoh In the Museum!
I love how this really shows that Christianity was truly first.
How does it do that? Do you believe Christianity pre-dates ancient Egypt?
@@redfightblue the video explains it. The Book of Mormon clearly states in Jacob that ALL the holy prophets of the Bible testified of Christ. That goes all the way back to Adam.
Jesus Christ's sacrifice was planned before Greeks even existed in the flesh (Christ is their word for annointed). Before the Earth was even created. There were even plans to have a Christ in this universe before any spirit bodies were born. Which is why Jehovah was the first to receive a spirit body.
@@noskalborg723 In your first comment you used the word "Christianity" and in your second comment you said "testify of Christ". These are not the same.
In the temple film, Adam does not worship Christ. It's very different in fact. Adam stands next to Christ as they worship another God they call Elohim. This is not Christianity. Not even close.
You are under the impression Adam worshipped Christ when in reality he worshipped Elohim. Who should I worship?
Bruce R. McConkie once said "do NOT worship the son". Do you agree or disagree with McConkie?
Remember, the Bible says that even the devils believe in Christ. Belief is not enough. Even if you say you worship Christ, that is still not enough. You must also reject ALL other gods to be in line with Traditional Christianity. If you worship a god named Elohim, and you're not speaking of Christ, this is far outside the doctrine of Traditional Christianity.
@@redfightblue cute attempt. But the Book of Mormon says that we preach of Christ and rejoice in Christ.
And the New Testament and Pearl of Great Price also make clear that Christ defers glory to The Father Elohim and The Father gives glory to The Son. So to worship one is to worship the other in our estimation, but we DO worship Christ in grattitide for his atoning sacrifice. We DO pray to the Father, but it is in the name of Jesus Christ, thereby it is an act of worship unto both.
And for a Trinitarian, they believe that Christ and the Father are one. So for them to claim that our worship of the Father is somehow NOT a worship of the son is either showing that they don't actually believe the trinity, OR it shows that they think that someone who prays without believing their prayer goes to the trinity, is somehow praying to and hearing from a devil, which gives too much credit and power to evil.
Regarding the temple drama. You miss the fact that after Adam made animal sacrifice, as ge was commanded to, he was taught about the reason for it, he was taught about Christ.
NO-ONE cometh unto the Father unless they come by the Son. Adam did go unto the Father. Additionally, even in preexistence, after the council in heaven Jehovah was foreordained to go down and atone and was as such was relied upon and reverred for this even before his birth as Jesus.
Lastly regarding Bruce R. McConkie. I only have your word that Elder McConkie said such a thing. AND you have not only failed to cite a source/instance, but also failed to clarify the capacity in which he said such a thing: was it in apostolic duties? In a prrsonal capacity? At some time prior to his apostolic calling.
I will not fall for such smoke and mirrors. I glory in my Jesus who hath saved me from an awful hell inasmuch as i turn to him and repent (and also beyond what my works deserve, for in all things we rely on Christ's grace, even in the executon of our our works, which works do NOT save us; they help transform us. Without the grace of Christ, our works would be nothing but their inherent moral value and their mortal consequences. But without the grace if Christ God's will would be unsanctified and Elohim wpuld cease to be God and therefore not be a god.)
@@redfightblue first of all, you as an individual don’t get to defined who is Christian and who isn’t. That is simply your opinion.
A pyramid is a square
base with triangle sides
as a geometric solid
representing what
the Masons kept
from ancient symbols
DIFFICULT TO SEE EGYPTIAN ILLUSTRATION.. MAYBE HIGHLIGHT THE ILLUSTRATION.. 80 YEAR OLD FROM THE TOPS OF THE MOUNTAINS ISAIAH 2
Nibbley thought Abraham might have been Osiris
Isaiah said there would be an Alter to God in the midst of Egypt. So i'm curious....are we supposed to build it? Or who is supposed to build it in the future?
I was just wondering the same thing.
Ancient Egyptians recorded with great detail in their records of whom came into Egypt, Jesus ain't in them , Moses ain't in them , Joseph ain't in them , Abraham ain't in them , the parting of the red sea ain't in them , the lies Christianity tells of Ancient Egypt is the work of the unrighteous , you Christians deceive people with a fake account of history you call the bible
@@Uncanny_Mountain because Solomon broke the commandments, i do believe God said he no longer dwells in man made Temples.
Adam had it all first
then thru Noah to
Egypt where Abraham
and Joseph reinforced
the ancient symbols
... beware assuming
who got what from
whom whether EGY
or Christmas trees
Yes , a common "resurrection motif". Exactly. Which has zero similarity to explanation in JS facs 1.
True. But it has everything to do with the Book of Abraham which is essentially a story of his endowment.
But isn't that facsimile from the Book of the Dead? I thought Joseph Smith bought papyri from a mummification exhibition? So we would expect to find those images in Egyptian tombs because, well, that's where they're from.
Exactly.
It’s not in the tomb-it’s in the temple-which makes it so interesting. The Book of Abraham is a book about Abraham's endowment.
The anti mormon critisim for years has been that no examples exist of the Lion Couch scene the way Joseph Smith depicts it in Facimilie 1
The inportance is that this IS an example
So when you going to tell everyone that the pyramids and Sphinx are all over 12,000 years old and the flood of Noah was 12,000 years ago
5:25 YES! Shabaka Stone !
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I think it poetic, in a way, to have your names in ovals (Greg Matsen) and (Bruce Porter) in this video so similar to the name glyphs used in Egyptian texts - including the one of (Abraham) in the Janet Johnson scroll. It really couldn’t be clearer.
Egypt was a territory of Isreal or Canaan the Southern Levant! History of Jesus being protected by God from evil Herod! For his mission to be full filled!
Isn't Horace Satan? Why is Horace Osiris?
If God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, then, "PAGAN" is just a word for a long time ago, in this case. Another feast, thanks~~~
Looks like it’s been tipped over .
lol.....and of course, just as Neal A Maxwell had said, the critics will say..."Joseph must have guessed right"......🤣🤣
Given they are common funeral scrolls I’m sure they are in other places. Ask the Egyptian scholars to translate and see what they say. It won’t match the book of Abraham.
It's not about transition. Study syncretism, and you'll get some insight.
Even though Joseph Smith used the word "translated," taking him at his word doesn't work in our favor. Therefore, we need to redefine it to mean something that *does* fit the narrative we want. See? Simple.
@@MichaelSmith-fq3pg Again, study syncretism and don't ape and regurgitate.
@@MichaelSmith-fq3pgyour comment reminds me of people who claim there’s no evidence for something. Then no matter how much evidence they are presented it’s guaranteed they will discount it.
Joseph Smith wasn’t just a prophet he was also a seer and a revelator. His mission was to restore Christ’s true church upon the earth. A seer can see the past as well as the future therefore Joseph Smith didn’t just do a literal translation of the book of Abraham and facsimile’s, he restored them to their original meaning before they were corrupted by the Egyptians. More and more evidence is coming forth to show that Joseph Smith truly was a seer and interpreted these texts correctly based on their original meanings. Thank you both for your insights into this. The tour sounds fascinating.
I think Bruce is fascinated with the Egyptian religion and lore but it is an over reach when he tries to tie it back to Mormonism and the temple endowment. Don’t get me wrong I love hearing about all of this Egyptian religious doctrine and their ordinances but I really don’t see the connection to our mono theistic Christianity.
Sort of like how does your toaster tie into the hydroelectric dam up the canyon. 'Can't see it. It's only the wall outlet?
@@marshajay3898 I mean this could be said about anything really. Sure there are ties with Mormon theology back to the early Hebrew laws and even before that but when you really get down to it were are all tied together, we are all humans and our histories are deeply intertwined. Does this make Greek and Egyptian mythology part of the Mormon theology, I highly doubt it. What does the Q15 have to say on this matter, that is the better question that should be asked. You don't see Dallin H. Oaks giving in-depth discourses on Osiris or any other Egyptian gods or deities.
Look, the fascination and connection to Egyptian lore is cool, I get it. And JS acquiring the papyrus and producing the BofA certainly makes us want to find further reinforcement for that connection. However even the Church readily admits that the BofA was not a translation of the papyrus and this is well documented on the Church website here:
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng
"None of the characters on the papyrus fragments mentioned Abraham’s name or any of the events recorded in the book of Abraham. Latter-day Saint and non-Latter-day Saint Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham,"
@@marshajay3898 So even though I appreciate Bruce's and Greg's devotion to this subject, it is kind of non sequitur given what we now know about the papyrus discovered in 1967 and further research and statements put out by the Church. All I can say is follow what the Church leadership says on the matter and don't be attracted and lead away by strange theories and conspiracies. We must all hold true to the iron rod in the latter days, there will be many who will attempt to beguile and deceive, even if well meaning.
Sorry I stopped at 5:30
You can't compare this at all with the scriptures, you say osirus a god ,the son was not a god ,he was human The holy father"God"spirith was
In the Son ,not the same thing you got to be careful not to be caught up in false doctrine. Now in those days like every tribe or people believed in the afterlife because it was said before with Adam it was passed on
And written ,nothing new here.
Yo to have such a trip!!!!
Let’s go!
Even if I visualise... 23 to one in dollar to rand... is a bit sad for my side of the pond. One day
IMO:
Joseph Smith had the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham from the beginning. They are Ethiopian. The Book of Mormon describes the religion of Ethiopian Jews and the Book of Abraham is their version of Abraham. Everything was discovered in Africa, probably by explorers like James Bruce. He copied hundreds of manuscripts and brought them back to Europe.
After publishing the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith used the discovery and purchase of the papyri to publish the Book of Abraham. He claimed it was an interpretation of the papyri but it was interpreted into English prior and has no connection to the Papyri. The purchase of the papyri was just the opportunity he needed to publish the Book of Abraham.
Joseph Smith attempted to use the discovery of the "Kinderhook Plates" to publish more. This was another Ethiopian manuscript in Joseph Smiths possession that we sadly never got to read. It is said to be written by a descendant of Ham and a Pharaoh of Egypt.
The "Sealed Portion" and D&C 7 likely came from this same source. All from an Ethiopian "library" or "temple" discovered during these explorations of Africa in the 1700's.
James Bruce published the Book of Enoch but may have died before the rest of his manuscripts were translated and published. They fell into the hands of Freemasons and Academics that ended up using them as an origin story for the Native American Indian instead of publishing them in their true form as a history of "Lost Tribes" in Africa. We now believe The Book of Mormon is about a "Lost Tribe" in America which is far less likely. Everything in the Book of Mormon describes Ethiopia.
Most people have no idea what I'm talking about because they haven't ever heard or researched this before.
😂😂😂
the stories are Sumerian stories , the Sumerians BECAME the Egyptians , whoop de do , they brought their stories with them ,
the stories where STORIES ALREADY TO THE Sumerians , the stories themselves are older then 11.000 and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with people from 2000 years ago ,
how can it ?
The temple does not matter. The entire earth is God's temple. If you remember Jesus never gave a sermon inside a building. Always outdoors, Jesus went to the people. He did not wait or expect them to come to Him. That is one problem with current Christianity, or what current Christianity gets wrong. Largely thanks to the traditions of the Catholic Church. Which has gotten much wrong in its attempt to keep power of the church consolidated.
😂😂😂😂 sure
Osiris = _s_r_s - Isorus = Iēsous = Jesus
simple etymology
This is a real stretch you are in fact making stuff up. Cause this has nothing nothing to do with Christianity. You are trying to put yourself in a history where you where never never there. You guys don't know what you are talking about.
False false false. You both failed and now have to take summer school to get your information correct.
It's a woman on the couch
Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
Joseph Smith keeps proving people wrong after 200 years. The Book of Mormon is true and this church was indeed restored to prepare Earth for the second coming of Christ.
Ya, it's true, just nobody noticed in Genesis 10, 32 that part of the family of Noah were devided "in the earth" and the book of Mormon also talks of "in the earth" ! Remember the phrase " (a choice land above all others) ! all fell for the cunning plan ! We dwell not in earth but above in the choice land ! Some call it Heaven ! Above the firmament, not below ! Keep reading!
Never ever.
… by coming with Bruce Potter and ME ( not I)
This grammar drives me nuts!!!! "... come with Bruce Porter and I"... would you ever say "... come with I to see the facsimile"??? I don't understand how really smart individuals have such incorrect grammar. The correct way to say it would be "... come with Bruce Porter and ME".
Yes, this was the message of the episode.
Regardless, I’ll work on it.
@@CwicShow Thank you for responding. I recognize that my "grammar" issue is not very important compared to the work you (and others) are doing, but it still is an irritation to my ear. 😁
Very cool. Another nail in the coffin of secularism.
Go back n reread you scriptures! You mist all the simple words that tell the true story !
Christ tore down the veil at his death. Why did we put it back up?
Who's "we?" If you're LDS, you should already see the incorrect ideas sectarian Christians have about the temple, the veil being rent at Christ's death, etc.
When Jesus died, the veil was torn from top to bottom. Is this what you mean?
Too simplistic and wrong either by misunderstanding or on purpose. The veil was torn…not torn down. At the ancient temple who got to go through the veil? Who gets to go through the veil now? You are insinuating that the church prevents people from entering the holy of holies when compared to the temple whose veil was torn, we are incredibly open.
I would really encourage closely looking at Elder Kearon’s talk “God’s Intent is to Bring You Home” from last conference. He very succinctly explains the rending of the veil of the temple at Jesus’ death and its significance.
@@cubic-h6041 the torn veil represented a new relationship with God. you know longer needed an earthly priest to access God. huge significance in my mind and i find it odd our church has a non torn veil that we need special permission from an earthly priest to arrive at and pass through. the Lord employeth no servants at the gate.
And guess what, it's a burial scroll, not the Book of Abraham, so again JS was an outright liar and trying too redefine "translation" as inspiration is pathetic. Apologists and the church continue to move the goal posts every time you've been proven wrong. I wasted 50yrs believing in falsehoods.
"wasted" learning goodness? Building a family? with good principles? haha
@@CwicShow And guess what you can do that without being lied to by the Church that you trusted to be truthful. the great thing is I can read the scriptures and understand them and live by them without the false teachings, false prophets of the LDS church.
@@joeycarter2994 go for it! Why do you need to tell me or anyone else that?
Move on then. Quit trying to bring others in the LDS Church down.