Helped build a lot of boats and this fella gives the most comprehensive talk thru of hand layup ever seen even in boatbuilding school.Good video,gives novices a good idea of what it takes to build one, excellent sir thank you.👍
I have a 17 with a 90 , and believe it or not, i have got everything on this little boat from pinfish to sailfish , love it , ride is great easy to tow , easy to store , easy run to the reef cheap on gas , good job people keep it up , funny i own a key west boat and fish key west almost every weekend i feel safe out there with my son since he was a small boy thank you keep up the safe quality
I have a 1998 17ft key largo with the original Yamaha 50hp it came with.. I live on the chesapeake bay. Use my little boat 4-5 days a week all summesummer ongoing long.. these are great little boats for the water sportsmen
Bought a 21cc in 2001, developed a crack at engine well and transom, co said it was normal, sold and Bought a Baja 250 sport fish. Entry level at best.
Great video...smart company.....build them well and show the world how and why !!! This video shows us all why we would want a boat from these guys !!! Thanks !
I purchased a key west 203 fs. Turned on the live well and the bilge pump kicked on pumping water out of the boat. HHHHmmmm did they get something mixed up. I looked around and saw they did not attach the live well hose to the live well so it was filling the bilge. I corrected the issue and attached the hose. I would go out and the bilge pump would start occasionally running. we reported the problem to key west and coty marine. They didn't see a problem and said it was rain water finding its way to the bilge while running. This occurred several more times. We brought the boat to a sand bar and nosed up to the bar. A gentleman with a bayliner called me back to my boat and said that my bilge has been running nonstop. We put the boat into the dip and it was loaded with water to the point the potty was floating and our feet where getting wet. Apparently they didn't attach the deck drain hoses to the cap side when they installed the cap. There is no access to the hoses so it had to go back to keywest to address the issues. We missed two boating seasons (we are in ne so no winter season). we where not offered a new boat, a lender boat not even an extension on the warranty. since this we have had electric problems from the connections being submerged. Key west would not honor waranty because they said its the electronics mfg. and Yamaha responsibility. Yamaha said keywest installed the outboard wrong with some kind of extension for the wires so they would not cover the warranty work either. So buying a boat I would suggest a survey to be done. Bilge access to all components, and seacocks at all connections underwater. As far as I know kw and pioneer do not have seacocks. Past that Our boat sits low port side about 3 inches. I guess there guy fell asleep behind the chopper gun. So really check the level of a boat in the water. There are much better boats from semi custom builders that will be a much better choice for a few extra bucks.
A typical "he said, she said" scenario. Each manufacturer likes to point the finger at the other guy. Disappointing for you that Key West Boats and the dealer does not stand behind its products. Manufacturers seldom know how much a dissatisfied customer can cost them not only in future sales but in referrals.
Cumulative trauma disorders (CTDs) are muscle, tendon or nerve disorders that can include: sprains, strains, tendinitis, carpal tunnel syndrome and vibration syndrome. These disorders are cumulative, which means they develop gradually over a period of weeks, months and even years when there is repeated stress on a particular body part. Employees with CTDs may experience discomfort, pain, fatigue, swelling, stiffness or numbness and tingling in the upper extremities. In fiberglassing operations, repetitive tasks such as hand-rolling of freshly sprayed fiberglass parts or sanding, routing and grinding of the edges of fiberglass parts can increase the risk of developing a CTD. Risk factors in these jobs may include: forceful exertions, awkward postures, repetitiveness, static loading or sustained exertions, mechanical contact stress from tools and sharp-edges, and hand-arm vibration. Engineering and administrative controls should be implemented to reduce or eliminate the risk factors. In work areas where CTD rates are elevated, the employer must implement an ergonomics program, including a systematic method of preventing, evaluating and managing these disorders.
For those of you shitting on chop guns, how do you think they make chopped strand mat? Literally a chop gun spraying on a conveyor belt with no resin or catalyst just a binder so it doesn't fall apart. That being said, I've never used one in a mould but theoretically it's the same as mat. Your outside layer(s) in a hull is(are) always mat. Manufacturers all have different "recipies" of how often you add layers of mat, woven, cloth, or sometimes (rarely) biax. The only time I see chop guns used are on large surfaces such as a plywood bulkheads where you need glass for water protection but you don't need strength because the structure is already solid
I owned a KW 17CC ( bought new) for a short time and had lots of quality issues, spider cracks in the gel coat, a large crack developed in the deck after a rough water outing, loose screws coming out, pitted deck fittings, etc.. Poor weight distribution made the boat stern heavy, so much so that when I stood near the transom (172 lbs), water would come in through the deck drain holes. Moving the trolling motor battery to the front deck compartment helped. The compartments were not waterproof. On one trip, I noticed the bilge pump continuously discharging water. On checking the drain plug, I found that the cheap PLASTIC thru hull fitting for the bait well had broken off and water was pouring in. I managed to plug the hole with a fishing cork and made it back in without sinking. I have owned six boats, and I know how to take care of a boat, so that was not the problem. It was a matter of cheap construction and poor workmanship.
Foam by itself is not strong it relies on a thick layer of glass on both sides for strength (which by the way negates the so-called weight savings of foam construction). Sounds like they laid the deck too thin
Well, I know so little about the construction of any boat. I had a foam filled Boston Whaler sport and when the fiberglass was damaged underwater, we never knew it was soaking water. Can this foam soak water if exposed by damage to the hull? Thanks for sharing, didn't seem quite finished. Sean
Well built boat. I do think that I would be wearing a mask when spraying the fiberglass. I realize it is in a semi liquid form but I would want to be careful.
Love how the OSHA regs are not followed at all tho. lol. Spraying Fiberglass, no masks or eye protection.. Workmans comp and lung disease awaits.. weeee.
Why not Mold the Fiberglass and then Gel-coat it it after? seems odd to use the paint first method. If the Gel-coat dries before the fiberglass is applied, how does it bond to fiberglass?
If the gel coat don’t have a skin coat in 24hrs it would release from the mold. That’s why you gel the mold first and a solid skin coat would make sure your boat is sturdy. Also your gel is the side you see first when you part the boat. If it’s glass first then they’ll have to repaint the entire boat. The only time they glass over molds is when you’re making a splash and that would be small sections not the entire hull
+Alex Goudas Hi Alex, It is a spraying device that chops the fiberglass as it enters the mold and mixes the resin at the same time. It is a terrible way to build a boat because the thickness is not predetermined and is completely up to the discretion of the person applying it to the mold. Maybe 1/2 in thick in one spot and 1/16 in. in another. This causes a lot of problem like soft decks, spider cracks, chipping of gelcoat and structural weakness. A quality boat is hand laid fiberglass usually cut by computers for exact thickness and strength. Nothing is left up to the person apply the glass. Hand laid goes on in layers of weave and mat fiberglass also sometimes combo weave/mat material.
Industry standard seems to be Kevlar/woven roving in vacuum bag. This seems 1980's technology. They have a great resale and reputation though, and the 1980's put out some bullet proof hulls.
The strength and quality is always up to the Craftsmanship/Workmanship.. Even thickness is the Sprayers whole Job.. You must have had a bad experience with a poor quality hull.. Poor Quality is cuz of the PERSON spraying.. It's NOT the strands fault, or the resin.. It's the GUY that fucked up, Not the glass.. Glass is Glass.. "People" screw up.. The sprayer in this video was black.. Do the math..
Hutch is an awesome boss,very down to earth and respectful. It was an honor to work for him.
Helped build a lot of boats and this fella gives the most comprehensive talk thru of hand layup ever seen even in boatbuilding school.Good video,gives novices a good idea of what it takes to build one, excellent sir thank you.👍
This iis the type of CEO I want. Someone that knows the ins and outs of how the product works and is built. Incredible!
Just got a 2018 KW 186 bay reef and couldn’t be more happy with the outstanding product on every level!
I have a 17 with a 90 , and believe it or not, i have got everything on this little boat from pinfish to sailfish , love it , ride is great easy to tow , easy to store , easy run to the reef cheap on gas , good job people keep it up , funny i own a key west boat and fish key west almost every weekend i feel safe out there with my son since he was a small boy thank you keep up the safe quality
I have a 1998 17ft key largo with the original Yamaha 50hp it came with.. I live on the chesapeake bay. Use my little boat 4-5 days a week all summesummer ongoing long.. these are great little boats for the water sportsmen
My 97 1900 DC is still going strong. Only issue was wiring, after 25 years Its to be expected. She is on her 3rd motor, a Suzuki 140A.
Very strong replacement of plywood... aka. Foam?... :D
Bought a 21cc in 2001, developed a crack at engine well and transom, co said it was normal, sold and Bought a Baja 250 sport fish. Entry level at best.
We need a new factory tour
*6:23** VERY IMPORTANT INFO THANKS FOR THIS RUN DOWN OF MATERIALS*
Great video...smart company.....build them well and show the world how and why !!! This video shows us all why we would want a boat from these guys !!! Thanks !
I purchased a key west 203 fs. Turned on the live well and the bilge pump kicked on pumping water out of the boat. HHHHmmmm did they get something mixed up. I looked around and saw they did not attach the live well hose to the live well so it was filling the bilge. I corrected the issue and attached the hose. I would go out and the bilge pump would start occasionally running. we reported the problem to key west and coty marine. They didn't see a problem and said it was rain water finding its way to the bilge while running. This occurred several more times. We brought the boat to a sand bar and nosed up to the bar. A gentleman with a bayliner called me back to my boat and said that my bilge has been running nonstop. We put the boat into the dip and it was loaded with water to the point the potty was floating and our feet where getting wet. Apparently they didn't attach the deck drain hoses to the cap side when they installed the cap. There is no access to the hoses so it had to go back to keywest to address the issues. We missed two boating seasons (we are in ne so no winter season). we where not offered a new boat, a lender boat not even an extension on the warranty. since this we have had electric problems from the connections being submerged. Key west would not honor waranty because they said its the electronics mfg. and Yamaha responsibility. Yamaha said keywest installed the outboard wrong with some kind of extension for the wires so they would not cover the warranty work either. So buying a boat I would suggest a survey to be done. Bilge access to all components, and seacocks at all connections underwater. As far as I know kw and pioneer do not have seacocks. Past that Our boat sits low port side about 3 inches. I guess there guy fell asleep behind the chopper gun. So really check the level of a boat in the water. There are much better boats from semi custom builders that will be a much better choice for a few extra bucks.
A typical "he said, she said" scenario. Each manufacturer likes to point the finger at the other guy.
Disappointing for you that Key West Boats and the dealer does not stand behind its products.
Manufacturers seldom know how much a dissatisfied customer can cost them not only in future sales but in referrals.
Great job ❤
What kind of resin did they use on the 1900's in the mid 90's? Vinylester or polyester?
Great video! Whether you like the manufacturing process or not, at least now you know.
It’s nice to know it will never capsize
Beautiful boats! MAKE SURE NOT TO FORGET THAT A LOT OF BOATERS ARE NOT INTO FISHING, but love center consoles.
Where can i get a 4ft by 8ft sheet of that transom filler material in 2 inche thick.?
If you are looking for a repair /restoration material for a core between fiberglass sheets look at Nida Core.
Can you put me in a 2022 , 222 ft with a 150 or better for 37k? Center console
Como megustava ese jale saludos a Kim mi superbisora
Cumulative trauma disorders (CTDs) are muscle, tendon or nerve disorders that can include: sprains, strains, tendinitis, carpal tunnel syndrome and vibration syndrome. These disorders are cumulative, which means they develop gradually over a period of weeks, months and even years when there is repeated stress on a particular body part. Employees with CTDs may experience discomfort, pain, fatigue, swelling, stiffness or numbness and tingling in the upper extremities. In fiberglassing operations, repetitive tasks such as hand-rolling of freshly sprayed fiberglass parts or sanding, routing and grinding of the edges of fiberglass parts can increase the risk of developing a CTD. Risk factors in these jobs may include: forceful exertions, awkward postures, repetitiveness, static loading or sustained exertions, mechanical contact stress from tools and sharp-edges, and hand-arm vibration. Engineering and administrative controls should be implemented to reduce or eliminate the risk factors. In work areas where CTD rates are elevated, the employer must implement an ergonomics program, including a systematic method of preventing, evaluating and managing these disorders.
** sometimes you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette. GOD Bless
Sound like a pencil pusher from OSHA. Shut up
For those of you shitting on chop guns, how do you think they make chopped strand mat? Literally a chop gun spraying on a conveyor belt with no resin or catalyst just a binder so it doesn't fall apart.
That being said, I've never used one in a mould but theoretically it's the same as mat. Your outside layer(s) in a hull is(are) always mat. Manufacturers all have different "recipies" of how often you add layers of mat, woven, cloth, or sometimes (rarely) biax.
The only time I see chop guns used are on large surfaces such as a plywood bulkheads where you need glass for water protection but you don't need strength because the structure is already solid
Nice rolex
Onde posso comprar um equipamento desse?
17ft key west here very dry ride
Love those boats
I owned a KW 17CC ( bought new) for a short time and had lots of quality issues, spider cracks in the gel coat, a large crack developed in the deck after a rough water outing, loose screws coming out, pitted deck fittings, etc.. Poor weight distribution made the boat stern heavy, so much so that when I stood near the transom (172 lbs), water would come in through the deck drain holes. Moving the trolling motor battery to the front deck compartment helped. The compartments were not waterproof. On one trip, I noticed the bilge pump continuously discharging water. On checking the drain plug, I found that the cheap PLASTIC thru hull fitting for the bait well had broken off and water was pouring in. I managed to plug the hole with a fishing cork and made it back in without sinking. I have owned six boats, and I know how to take care of a boat, so that was not the problem. It was a matter of cheap construction and poor workmanship.
Could have something to do with the ass about way this company builds. them lol
Foam by itself is not strong it relies on a thick layer of glass on both sides for strength (which by the way negates the so-called weight savings of foam construction). Sounds like they laid the deck too thin
Well, I know so little about the construction of any boat. I had a foam filled Boston Whaler sport and when the fiberglass was damaged underwater, we never knew it was soaking water. Can this foam soak water if exposed by damage to the hull? Thanks for sharing, didn't seem quite finished. Sean
Yes foam will absorb water
@@danfelix190 not true. If it is closed cell it will not
@@Natter20002 yes it will over time all closed cell foam will absorb water. 2 part polyurethane/ PE/ spray foam/ even PVC.
@@jamesmcgovern3240 bummer.
Safety mask, & eye protection... you need to take care of your workers, don't kill them....
You really should think before you type, and speak...
Well built boat. I do think that I would be wearing a mask when spraying the fiberglass. I realize it is in a semi liquid form but I would want to be careful.
They built the titanic too!! Yep true story...
NO Respirators while spraying fiberglass and polyester resin. Unbelievable!
GRAPHEN Sheet WITH FIBRE POLY CARBON MATERIAL WITH BALOONS ARE TO BE EXPLORED
Hi
Only a total fool would subject their skin and lungs to that uncured chemical.
Whats the name of the foam?
Joe
one thing i hate about amature video like this is the quality and have no clue about volume control
I have done very similar with Woodglut designs.
can yall please stop zip tieing the wires through the hall that are just laying in foam it be nice to be able to pull new wire through a conduit
bull shit choper gun cheepy rovei g rven has long been gone get some real glass
Love how the OSHA regs are not followed at all tho. lol. Spraying Fiberglass, no masks or eye protection.. Workmans comp and lung disease awaits.. weeee.
dude where is the sound
Disappointed that this boat isn't hand lade.
Might be time to update you video and building technology. Audio is only on the right side. Hopefully not a reflection of your quality...
Why not Mold the Fiberglass and then Gel-coat it it after? seems odd to use the paint first method. If the Gel-coat dries before the fiberglass is applied, how does it bond to fiberglass?
If the gel coat don’t have a skin coat in 24hrs it would release from the mold. That’s why you gel the mold first and a solid skin coat would make sure your boat is sturdy. Also your gel is the side you see first when you part the boat. If it’s glass first then they’ll have to repaint the entire boat. The only time they glass over molds is when you’re making a splash and that would be small sections not the entire hull
audio is not working
Chopgun POS
,no
thatis not the way you do it
chop gun boat...junk
+BigWater59 just curious, what do you mean by chop gun boat?
+Alex Goudas Hi Alex, It is a spraying device that chops the fiberglass as it enters the mold and mixes the resin at the same time. It is a terrible way to build a boat because the thickness is not predetermined and is completely up to the discretion of the person applying it to the mold. Maybe 1/2 in thick in one spot and 1/16 in. in another. This causes a lot of problem like soft decks, spider cracks, chipping of gelcoat and structural weakness. A quality boat is hand laid fiberglass usually cut by computers for exact thickness and strength. Nothing is left up to the person apply the glass. Hand laid goes on in layers of weave and mat fiberglass also sometimes combo weave/mat material.
Industry standard seems to be Kevlar/woven roving in vacuum bag. This seems 1980's technology. They have a great resale and reputation though, and the 1980's put out some bullet proof hulls.
The strength and quality is always up to the Craftsmanship/Workmanship.. Even thickness is the Sprayers whole Job..
You must have had a bad experience with a poor quality hull.. Poor Quality is cuz of the PERSON spraying.. It's NOT the strands fault, or the resin.. It's the GUY that fucked up, Not the glass.. Glass is Glass.. "People" screw up.. The sprayer in this video was black.. Do the math..
How does it cause chipping of gelcoat?
JUNK BOATS. Only buy a fiberglass boat that is hand laid.
Useless post there.
How petty ...Just was trying to help your mind expand ,not contract ....