Thanks for this, I have an Audiobox with two inputs that I've been looking to add to my 16 input Tascam. Now I have two more XLR inputs to work with! This was a big help!
🤜🤛 Literally, I've been tearing my hair out trying to figure this out for a SOLID WEEK, FOR HOURS, then, BOOM! here is the solution. I have a focusrite 18i20 and a Mackie board fx 22v3 and they sound great, the routing was horrendous in all my daws. Presonus needs this video on their site. Thank you sir, new subscriber!
FRIEND, YOU MADE THIS VIDEO IN 2016 AND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IN 2020 IT HAS SERVED ME A LOT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION E CONFIGURED MY SCARLET AND MY PRESONUS
Sweet! I'm glad this helped. This concept has been around for 20+ years. MAC has adopted it into Core Audio a long time ago. I wish Microsoft would let me help them smooth out the Sound Panel so its easier to use and configure for Windows users.
This is so well done that even I could do it....WOW...Thanks! Now I can record my duo with two guitars and two mics at the same time!!!!! Really....THANKS!
Thanks, Jason! I'm shopping between interfaces and mixers and this was very useful information. Now to find out if Studio One supports the Soundcraft Signature 12 MTK mixer.
Its best to not pug your audio interfaces into a USB hub. Instead, plug each interface directly into its own usb slots on the computer. This will assure the interface is properly powered. Unfortunately, USB hubs do not often have enough power for heavy duty audio hardware.
Hi Jason, I would like to be able to use 2 interfaces at the same time to have more outputs using Windows and studio one. I have an Audient id4 and am looking at getting the new Steinberg UR-RT2, do you think it would be possible to use the main two outputs from the id4 to feed my monitors and then use the two main outputs out from the UR-RT2 to go to outboard equipment then back into the line inputs on the UR-RT2? Any help would be appreciated thanks , Alex
okay so this is pretty easy to set up, but the latency makes it really hard to record with, even if I make sure that I have my buffer size set to the same values between UniversalControl, Focusrite, ASIO4ALL & Studio One.
Yes you can change the latency in studio one start page to as low as your computer can handle. This will allow for low latency recording with low milliseconds as long as the processor can keep.
The other thing that you can do is monitor from the interface , rather than the DAW itself and there is no latency at all . I was involved in a recording project that used E.drums , DI the bass and the guitar in an iso cab ... there were huge latency dramas which caused timing discrepancies in the room , but when we started monitoring off the 8 ch interface all those problems disappeared . We were producing ourselves , so nothing was being manipulated by a third party engineer while we were tracking . The same technique was used in another recording project using all acoustic instruments and tracking everybody at once in a large room , again a self production without anyone tweaking during the actual recording process . Any EQ or compression was done before the DAW ( the double bass had a line out from a pickup as well as a large diaphragm mic ) so it didn't seem important to monitor from the DAW .
Great info and very timely for my studio. Question: I have Studio One 5 and would like to use my analog mixer going through one interface for tracking to the DAW. And on playback, I would like you use the Presonus StudioLive 32S mixer for monitoring. (I prefer recording through an analog mixer and using outboard compressors, external mic pres, etc)... So my question is: Can I use an 8 channel Focusrite interface (Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 Rackmount 18x20 USB Type-C) for my analog mixer going into StudioOne (to record the tracks) and use the Presonus StudioLive mixer for playback (and monitoring). Will this method work for that setup? Thanks and great info on your video. Note: I have not bought the Focusrite interface yet, so hence the question before I commit and buy one. Thanks.... Phil NYC Area
I just posted another video on how to do this using Windows Audio in Studio One. ua-cam.com/video/u76Gh8w8GW8/v-deo.html The ASIO4 All Driver will do this just fine. You may want to watch my new video near the end as you have to make sure you setup both devices in non exclusive mode. They both have to have the same bit rate (24 bit as an example) and also need to capture at the same rate (48kHz as an example). I do this with all kinds of interfaces. The key is to make sure they match recording and playback modes. In my new video, Windows Audio is the "clock" controlling the overall latency. There is pros and cons on using this method vs. the ASIO4 All as I talk about as well. Thanks for viewing! Keep us in mind for any of your future projects!
@@PhrygianFrogMusicProfessionals Thanks for this info. I will watch the video in short order and keep you posted. Thanks again. I do surely appreciate it as I really would like to record tracks (and use outboard compressor, etc) through my analog mixer and monitor through the digital mixer (Presonus StudioLive 32S)...Be well.... Phil NYC Area
I need a little help. I have my presonus audiobox ione and audiobox itwo both connected. But the ione still won't register and input. When I add a Mono to the ione channel it is shaded out then disappears. Any idea what is happening?
Do you have both interface drivers installed? Also, in order to use both at the same time you have to use the ASIO4 All driver per the video. It acts as your single virtual interface so both can be used at the same time.
@@PhrygianFrogMusicProfessionals right so I have both drivers installed and firmware is up-to-date. I also have asio4all installed and connected. I have it selected in studio one as my device. But when I go to use the second devices channels, they don't register even after adding the Mono channels, they still say input none. If I go into the I/O setting and add the Mono tracks and hit apply they disappear as if it is un able to connect. I'm new to studio one so I could be missing a step somewhere I just don't know where
@@ktoghraphy9746 You have to have the Professional Version for this. I've never tried it in Artist version. It might work. Prime version will not allow this.
thanks very much only thing that is still "off" is when i lower the asio buffer it has no effect on studio one. it is still sitting at 512. and the slight delay in recorded audio is still 512. so the asio buffer isnt effecting anything.
Thanks for the vid! Im trying to do this with a zoomh2n and a steinberg ur22mk2 interface to wich I have connected an at2020, but it doesnt let me connect the mic!! Help!
Do you have each device connected to a usb port with drivers installed? Have you set the bit depth and sample rate the same on each device? The at2020 is a great mic. Be sure to use phantom power when connecting it to the xlr port on one of the interfaces.
How does Asio4all compare in terms of latency to the 2i2 drivers? I'm looking at a scenario where I'll potentially need a second interface (i.e. the Orange Omec Teleport) alongside my 2i2 to support reamping guitars - want to ensure I don't kill myself with latency (I do know about the adjustable buffer size in Asio4all)
Hi ScottyDogg. I have tested many scenarios of 2 or more interfaces working as one ASIO4All device. On MAC OS, there is less latency using an aggregate device a it is built into the Core Audio System of MAC OS. On Windows 10, you just have to make sure that both devices have matching sample rates and bit depths so the devices and ASIO4All do not argue with one another. The Audio Buffer size is dependent on your processor. So latency will vary by system. I have found in experiments that as long as I do not select on-board audio card ports, then the latency is minimal at 1-2ms (most people cannot hear this latency). The latency will always be faster with just using a single device due to bandwidth and direct driver access. So when using 2 audio interfaces, un-check any on-board HD Audio Devices or system audio devices as they are often the culprit for causing latency. One last caution that I have experienced. DO NOT try to run multiple audio interfaces on a USB expansion hub. Many hubs do not allocate the power and bandwidth needed to run 2 or more audio interfaces. You can also damage your interface by under-powering it. Sweetwater has a great article comparing Aggregate Devices for PC and MAC. www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/aggregate-audio-devices-and-drivers-for-pc-and-mac/ I hope the information helps you make some awesome music!
@@PhrygianFrogMusicProfessionals Thanks so much for taking the time to put together such a detailed and helpful response! Lots for me to think about now :)
I have a line 6 pod go and a Focusrite solo but the problem on windows is I've done everything what you said but in the inputs chart it does not appears the focus input 1 and 2 It appears other pod go 3 and 4 and others with the name fniusbwave_48 1 until fniusbwave_48 8
I have a Mackie BigKnob Studio+ and a PS Studio1824c. I can't ever seem to get ASIO4ALL to use 48 sample rate. It always stays stuck on 44.1. This would be a wonderful solution for me but can't ever get it to work sadly. 🙄
DOH! Fine print got me. Set up the Big Knob as an audio interface on PC IMPORTANT: You can use the Big Knob Studio series as an interface with any software supporting the ASIO and WDM driver protocol. However, it does not support aggregate devices (i.e., ASIO4ALL).
How do i set up (Match) the Bit Depth and Sample Rate, in ASIO4all, to use Both devices in recording. I have a 4 channel Akai Interface, and have access to one PreSonus 1818VSL, i want to connect and try to record with both of them live. Thanks for Help!
I got Roland se-02 and my audio interface does not have input slot for my new synthesizer, i see se-02 send audio with internal usb interface, so that is the way for me :) Thank you
I see that the Roland Se-02 has a USB-C port on the back. You just need to plug that port into your computer. This will allow you to use the device as a midi controller. If you want the audio recorded, you will need to use a TRS cable and plugin the Output of the Roland se-02 to an audio input of your audio interface. Depending on your device, you may need a TRS to TS+TS cable as some audio interfaces have analogue inputs that are mono only.
Hal, you will need to set your bit depth for Windows, Scarlet, and Steinberg all to the same to all work together in shared mode. Choose either 16 bit for all devices or 24 for all devices including all inputs and outputs for recording and playback. Then you want to choose the same capture rate of either 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz. Let me know how it goes.
hello, i pretend to buy two Hallen & Heath ZEDi-10FX mixers (quality and price) for live mixing and multitrack recording to be processed at my laptop (Windows 7, 32bits) with Cubase. would it be possible to get the 4+4 tracks to be opened at Cubase for this purpose with something like ASIO4All or Voicemeeter Virtual Audio Mixer?
Jason Waddell ups, I just saw your ZEDi10FX review... so StudioLive AR12 and maby Soundcraft 12 MTK? I guess the problem with this Allen is just for recording? I've Heard they use great preamps...
Hi there mate, have you ever tried the free software mixer called Voicemeeter to run two interfaces at the same time? It seems to be a better solution than ASIO4ALL (which is clunky and buggy when adding interfaces together, from what I have been reading in forums), Anyways, if you could try this software here and perhaps make a video, it would be awesome, I have a hard time figuring out digital routings: www.vb-audio.com/Voicemeeter/
Im not having any luck with Reaper so im getting your app. Hows this for weird, I install windows 7 and refuse all windows updates etc and everything works fine, no problems, I can run multiple copies of any program, multiple interfaces and can do both those things at once and record both sources separately or together, awesome, but then I perform a full windows update and now I cant run more than 1 app, cant use more than 1 interface because of a USB bandwidth error and certainly cant record from 2 sources. I say "weird" its completely normal for an OS to get more restricted esp Windows, it really pisses me off, I ran win7 and win98 for decades with no updates and no problems, they always seem to slow things down too.
It's 2023 year by now and still very useful what i learned here. Bro thank you so much!!!!
Awesome tutorial, very clear and easy to follow
Thanks for this, I have an Audiobox with two inputs that I've been looking to add to my 16 input Tascam. Now I have two more XLR inputs to work with! This was a big help!
Thank you so much brother! Hugs from Brazil!
🤜🤛 Literally, I've been tearing my hair out trying to figure this out for a SOLID WEEK, FOR HOURS, then, BOOM! here is the solution. I have a focusrite 18i20 and a Mackie board fx 22v3 and they sound great, the routing was horrendous in all my daws. Presonus needs this video on their site. Thank you sir, new subscriber!
Glad it helped!
Great information, I'm forever bouncing between three interfaces, will have toget experimenting with this. Thanks so much :)
FRIEND, YOU MADE THIS VIDEO IN 2016 AND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IN 2020 IT HAS SERVED ME A LOT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION
E CONFIGURED MY SCARLET AND MY PRESONUS
Sweet! I'm glad this helped. This concept has been around for 20+ years. MAC has adopted it into Core Audio a long time ago. I wish Microsoft would let me help them smooth out the Sound Panel so its easier to use and configure for Windows users.
This is so well done that even I could do it....WOW...Thanks! Now I can record my duo with two guitars and two mics at the same time!!!!! Really....THANKS!
Thanks so much for this. Very very very clearly explained. You have solved a major problem for me.
Great & Simple Video
Thank u for your hard work for us.
Love from India
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for making this! Excited to try it out!!
Thanks, Jason! I'm shopping between interfaces and mixers and this was very useful information. Now to find out if Studio One supports the Soundcraft Signature 12 MTK mixer.
It does. I use it.
Cool! So I am going to add a second presonus ar12 usb mixer for additional stereo aux returns. Thanks a lot!
Great video!!! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Thank you!
Awesome! I was looking for a solution slike this
Great video! Very helpful! Do i need to daisy chain the hardware of the interface? Or i can plug them both at the same time at USB port?
Its best to not pug your audio interfaces into a USB hub. Instead, plug each interface directly into its own usb slots on the computer. This will assure the interface is properly powered. Unfortunately, USB hubs do not often have enough power for heavy duty audio hardware.
Really helpful. Thank you so much!
much thanks from 2024
Asio4All Doh, of course, what was i (not) thinking
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Excelente aporte...
Hi Jason, I would like to be able to use 2 interfaces at the same time to have more outputs using Windows and studio one.
I have an Audient id4 and am looking at getting the new Steinberg UR-RT2, do you think it would be possible to use the main two outputs from the id4 to feed my monitors and then use the two main outputs out from the UR-RT2 to go to outboard equipment then back into the line inputs on the UR-RT2?
Any help would be appreciated thanks
, Alex
Jason?
@@alexdawson7851 Just check the Cue Mix box in the I/O window. It worked for me :)
I'm sorry this is just showing in my inbox right now. If you need assistance, checkout my vids on using 2 or more interfaces at the same time.
okay so this is pretty easy to set up, but the latency makes it really hard to record with, even if I make sure that I have my buffer size set to the same values between UniversalControl, Focusrite, ASIO4ALL & Studio One.
Yes you can change the latency in studio one start page to as low as your computer can handle. This will allow for low latency recording with low milliseconds as long as the processor can keep.
The other thing that you can do is monitor from the interface , rather than the DAW itself and there is no latency at all . I was involved in a recording project that used E.drums , DI the bass and the guitar in an iso cab ... there were huge latency dramas which caused timing discrepancies in the room , but when we started monitoring off the 8 ch interface all those problems disappeared . We were producing ourselves , so nothing was being manipulated by a third party engineer while we were tracking . The same technique was used in another recording project using all acoustic instruments and tracking everybody at once in a large room , again a self production without anyone tweaking during the actual recording process . Any EQ or compression was done before the DAW ( the double bass had a line out from a pickup as well as a large diaphragm mic ) so it didn't seem important to monitor from the DAW .
Great info and very timely for my studio.
Question: I have Studio One 5 and would like to use my analog mixer going through one interface for tracking to the DAW. And on playback, I would like you use the Presonus StudioLive 32S mixer for monitoring. (I prefer recording through an analog mixer and using outboard compressors, external mic pres, etc)...
So my question is:
Can I use an 8 channel Focusrite interface (Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 Rackmount 18x20 USB Type-C) for my analog mixer going into StudioOne (to record the tracks) and use the Presonus StudioLive mixer for playback (and monitoring). Will this method work for that setup? Thanks and great info on your video.
Note: I have not bought the Focusrite interface yet, so hence the question before I commit and buy one. Thanks....
Phil
NYC Area
I just posted another video on how to do this using Windows Audio in Studio One. ua-cam.com/video/u76Gh8w8GW8/v-deo.html
The ASIO4 All Driver will do this just fine. You may want to watch my new video near the end as you have to make sure you setup both devices in non exclusive mode. They both have to have the same bit rate (24 bit as an example) and also need to capture at the same rate (48kHz as an example). I do this with all kinds of interfaces. The key is to make sure they match recording and playback modes. In my new video, Windows Audio is the "clock" controlling the overall latency. There is pros and cons on using this method vs. the ASIO4 All as I talk about as well.
Thanks for viewing! Keep us in mind for any of your future projects!
@@PhrygianFrogMusicProfessionals Thanks for this info. I will watch the video in short order and keep you posted. Thanks again. I do surely appreciate it as I really would like to record tracks (and use outboard compressor, etc) through my analog mixer and monitor through the digital mixer (Presonus StudioLive 32S)...Be well....
Phil
NYC Area
I need a little help. I have my presonus audiobox ione and audiobox itwo both connected. But the ione still won't register and input. When I add a Mono to the ione channel it is shaded out then disappears. Any idea what is happening?
Do you have both interface drivers installed? Also, in order to use both at the same time you have to use the ASIO4 All driver per the video. It acts as your single virtual interface so both can be used at the same time.
@@PhrygianFrogMusicProfessionals right so I have both drivers installed and firmware is up-to-date. I also have asio4all installed and connected. I have it selected in studio one as my device. But when I go to use the second devices channels, they don't register even after adding the Mono channels, they still say input none. If I go into the I/O setting and add the Mono tracks and hit apply they disappear as if it is un able to connect. I'm new to studio one so I could be missing a step somewhere I just don't know where
@@PhrygianFrogMusicProfessionals thank you btw for responding I really appreciate it!
@@ktoghraphy9746 You have to have the Professional Version for this. I've never tried it in Artist version. It might work. Prime version will not allow this.
How to play with 2 different midis at the same time? Example: electric drum and keyboards. Both midi. When I play the keys, the drums sounds aswell
the control panel button doesn't show me the same thing it showed you in the video...
thanks very much only thing that is still "off" is when i lower the asio buffer it has no effect on studio one. it is still sitting at 512. and the slight delay in recorded audio is still 512. so the asio buffer isnt effecting anything.
Do one with SSL 2+ with set up to mixer
Thanks for the vid! Im trying to do this with a zoomh2n and a steinberg ur22mk2 interface to wich I have connected an at2020, but it doesnt let me connect the mic!! Help!
Do you have each device connected to a usb port with drivers installed? Have you set the bit depth and sample rate the same on each device? The at2020 is a great mic. Be sure to use phantom power when connecting it to the xlr port on one of the interfaces.
How does Asio4all compare in terms of latency to the 2i2 drivers? I'm looking at a scenario where I'll potentially need a second interface (i.e. the Orange Omec Teleport) alongside my 2i2 to support reamping guitars - want to ensure I don't kill myself with latency (I do know about the adjustable buffer size in Asio4all)
Hi ScottyDogg. I have tested many scenarios of 2 or more interfaces working as one ASIO4All device. On MAC OS, there is less latency using an aggregate device a it is built into the Core Audio System of MAC OS.
On Windows 10, you just have to make sure that both devices have matching sample rates and bit depths so the devices and ASIO4All do not argue with one another. The Audio Buffer size is dependent on your processor. So latency will vary by system. I have found in experiments that as long as I do not select on-board audio card ports, then the latency is minimal at 1-2ms (most people cannot hear this latency). The latency will always be faster with just using a single device due to bandwidth and direct driver access.
So when using 2 audio interfaces, un-check any on-board HD Audio Devices or system audio devices as they are often the culprit for causing latency.
One last caution that I have experienced. DO NOT try to run multiple audio interfaces on a USB expansion hub. Many hubs do not allocate the power and bandwidth needed to run 2 or more audio interfaces. You can also damage your interface by under-powering it.
Sweetwater has a great article comparing Aggregate Devices for PC and MAC. www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/aggregate-audio-devices-and-drivers-for-pc-and-mac/
I hope the information helps you make some awesome music!
@@PhrygianFrogMusicProfessionals Thanks so much for taking the time to put together such a detailed and helpful response! Lots for me to think about now :)
I have 32 ch input device! Unce I do this I can detect both devices but I only get 1&2 ch input?
thanks for this
You're welcome
great
I have a line 6 pod go and a Focusrite solo but the problem on windows is I've done everything what you said but in the inputs chart it does not appears the focus input 1 and 2 It appears other pod go 3 and 4 and others with the name fniusbwave_48 1 until fniusbwave_48 8
wow great thank u
Hey, am I unable to do this because I'm using the free version?
I have a Mackie BigKnob Studio+ and a PS Studio1824c. I can't ever seem to get ASIO4ALL to use 48 sample rate. It always stays stuck on 44.1. This would be a wonderful solution for me but can't ever get it to work sadly. 🙄
DOH! Fine print got me.
Set up the Big Knob as an audio interface on PC
IMPORTANT: You can use the Big Knob Studio series as an interface with any software supporting the ASIO and WDM driver protocol. However, it does not support aggregate devices (i.e., ASIO4ALL).
Hello, y cómo sería con 2 focusrite de las mismas características? 😬
Question will this disable the presonus universal control software?
great video
How do i set up (Match) the Bit Depth and Sample Rate, in ASIO4all, to use Both devices in recording. I have a 4 channel Akai Interface, and have access to one PreSonus 1818VSL, i want to connect and try to record with both of them live. Thanks for Help!
I got Roland se-02 and my audio interface does not have input slot for my new synthesizer, i see se-02 send audio with internal usb interface, so that is the way for me :) Thank you
I see that the Roland Se-02 has a USB-C port on the back. You just need to plug that port into your computer. This will allow you to use the device as a midi controller. If you want the audio recorded, you will need to use a TRS cable and plugin the Output of the Roland se-02 to an audio input of your audio interface. Depending on your device, you may need a TRS to TS+TS cable as some audio interfaces have analogue inputs that are mono only.
Both The Interfaces Should Be Connected To Pc By Usb?????Or By any Other method ???
perfect,thx
Hai
I still cant connect 2 device...
I'm using scarlet solo and Steinberg 2 ci
Hal, you will need to set your bit depth for Windows, Scarlet, and Steinberg all to the same to all work together in shared mode. Choose either 16 bit for all devices or 24 for all devices including all inputs and outputs for recording and playback. Then you want to choose the same capture rate of either 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz.
Let me know how it goes.
will this work for 18i20 for drums, and 2i2 for guitar, and mics?
Yes the concepts are the same. You just have to setup all of the inputs and outputs for those specific devices.
thanks mmkay
hello, i pretend to buy two Hallen & Heath ZEDi-10FX mixers (quality and price) for live mixing and multitrack recording to be processed at my laptop (Windows 7, 32bits) with Cubase. would it be possible to get the 4+4 tracks to be opened at Cubase for this purpose with something like ASIO4All or Voicemeeter Virtual Audio Mixer?
Jason Waddell hello, Jason, yes I though on StudioLive AR12 but it's not compatible with my Windows 7 32bits ) :
Jason Waddell ups, I just saw your ZEDi10FX review... so StudioLive AR12 and maby Soundcraft 12 MTK? I guess the problem with this Allen is just for recording? I've Heard they use great preamps...
i'll start with soundcraft 12mtk... thank you, Jason!
if i have 4inputs will i do have 4outputs???
You will have access to all inputs and outputs on whatever devices you are using. I suggest labeling them really well.
is there one for Mac?
Hi there mate, have you ever tried the free software mixer called Voicemeeter to run two interfaces at the same time? It seems to be a better solution than ASIO4ALL (which is clunky and buggy when adding interfaces together, from what I have been reading in forums), Anyways, if you could try this software here and perhaps make a video, it would be awesome, I have a hard time figuring out digital routings: www.vb-audio.com/Voicemeeter/
Are you using mac or Windows Jason?
Thanks
windows.
Im not having any luck with Reaper so im getting your app.
Hows this for weird, I install windows 7 and refuse all windows updates etc and everything works fine, no problems, I can run multiple copies of any program, multiple interfaces and can do both those things at once and record both sources separately or together, awesome, but then I perform a full windows update and now I cant run more than 1 app, cant use more than 1 interface because of a USB bandwidth error and certainly cant record from 2 sources.
I say "weird" its completely normal for an OS to get more restricted esp Windows, it really pisses me off, I ran win7 and win98 for decades with no updates and no problems, they always seem to slow things down too.
unless you clock sync both devices, you will have audio issues.
Jason Waddell if I use the same interface 2 times, will those problems resolve?
Have you considered labeling this with WINDOWS in the title? Saves us Mac folks from wasting our time. Cheers.