Nice presentation, Bruce! :) I'm getting several questions about this over the past few days, I think I'm going to give you my shout-out on Friday :) good stuff to think about, and I like it because it's very different from what I do so I think it's great for viewers to see a variety of options. Wishing you all the best!
Awesome. Thanks Fred! I would rather store out in the open and not use the crystals but it is difficult with the number of boxes I have. I appreciate you watching and all you do. BTW I pulled out my Hive Butler and have actually used it a little after our ST chat a few days ago. Might order some more and see how it helps out in my operation.
@@brucesbees HI Bruce, for small-scale backyard keepers the Hive Butlers are a great way to store and have extracted frames at the ready. For an operation as large as yours that's not practical but there are lots of other uses for them. Swarm transport AND moving frames of brood around as needed for hive boosting :) Thanks for the response :)
@@FrederickDunn yes for sure. I used mine the other day to move some frames around and also to hold my queen as I completed an inspection. Just have to give it some more time to see if it is efficient. I think it will be. Also can use them for hive beetle slime outs to put the frames with beetles and larvae in while I process them so they don’t escape into the ground or other colonies. Just brainstorming a bit though. They are a bit cost prohibitive though so will really have to see the need to order more.
@@brucesbees Ha Bruce this video I tell u what I went out there to get some drawn comb for some nucs that need some room and I found moths all the brood and honey boxes are in the garage it is closed up and I have nets on every thing yet There are moths in every box now I am pulling them out and freezing 4 deeps at a time in my freezer. I have that crystle stuff ordered from amazon will it kill the adult moth as well as keep young. going to stack them like u did after I have checked every one and froze each box for a couple of days. Thanks again for the video.
@framcesmoore yeah I think it pretty much kills anything wax moth related. But haven’t really applied it when I had an active infestation going. Usually try to get them matured before that happens.
Good demo Bruce!! I store my deep brood frames same way after I freeze them. Same ingredient and it works great. Good teaching video my friend!! Have a great weekend. Time slow down some….
These moth balls contains p-Dichlorobenzene. Probably it all evaporate after winter. Heck, all the veggies and fruits that we eat are soak with pesticides. Farm raised animals are fed with whatever chemical or antibiotics. So a bit of p-Dichlorobenzene is probably no big deal. But for me, because I can, I don't use any chemical to preserve my honey super comb. I always use excluders. So the moth doesn't like the clean comb as much. Every year after winter I can find a small amount of moth activities my comb. The bees will take care of that easily when I place the supers on.
@@brucesbees I agreed. For commercial purposes, using pesticide is inevitable. A small amount of that stuff is not going to hurt. I am just a backyard bee keeper. I can even afford to throw away all honey comb and let the bees draw new ones every year. Commercial is a different game.
Very nice!! You’ve been working hard and making great videos. Good to see how you store your boxes. This is the first year I will have a stack of supers to store so will look for those Ice crystals. Thanks for sharing!
Another great video Bruce!! I appreciate your time and effort to help fellow beekeepers! One question, if you condense a hive down and have frames from a brood box that may have pollen and nectar in the cells, what is the best way to store them? Would your method work for these frames or is it better to keep them in a freezer if you have the space? Thank you💖
I would say the freezer is always better is you have space. If the frames have nectar and pollen you can definitely freeze them but if you want to store them using the crystals I would set them out and let the bees clean them up before storing.
Bruce, I use the same product. I use either paper plates with a lot of small holes or either window screen wire to put my moth ice crystals on so the fumes can go down. Then I put a piece of plywood on top of that. I stack them about 6 or 7 high. Now I guess it’s Apiguard time. Please be careful in the heat watching over those girls.
Used this last two years on all ten of my supers(lol).I wrapped every one with pallet wrap and put a lid on top.December in ky i put them outside under my carport so air and light can get through them.Just wondering if i could skip the crystals?I know Mike Barry i dont think uses crystals or does he ?Great video ,keep posting.
I think Mike uses crystals on comb that has had brood in it and I think he stacks his honey supers under an awning but he tips them on end so they have exposure to light and air. That works but it is not possible for me in my situation.
I am curious to know if storing honey frames in walk-in freezers and coolers during the winter is a good practice. I have recently extracted honey from my beehives and I am looking for an effective way to preserve it for later use. I have heard that storing honey frames in a cold environment can help prevent crystallization and preserve the freshness of the honey. However, I am not sure if this method is reliable or if there are any potential drawbacks to consider. As such, I would appreciate it if you could provide me with some detailed advice on this matter. Thank you for your help.
If you freeze the honey it will preserve it. Assuming you mean frames with honey still in them. Are you planing on extracting before storing? If you are taking about frames of comb then freezing will definitely preserve them.
Yeah makes sense. As high as I stack them though I feel like I need to put them a little bit more regularly in the boxes. Not sure the fumes would drop 16 boxes.
I stack my boxes 8 high and use a shim at the fourth box and on top. I place a paper plate with crystals at the shim in the middle and at the top of the stack. This way, when it gases off, I have top to bottom coverage.
Yes. Be sure to use enough. I peeked in on some of my brood boxes today and there was some damage. Didn’t have enough to treat properly. Added more. Hopefully will take care of the problem.
Somehow you got the product I use (Enoz brand para moth balls), but in the crystals package. Probably a factory error. Exact same chemical, just in a moth ball and not crystals. It also comes in a larger puck. I use a shim and paper plate at the top. I have to refresh the product a time or two so the breaking up into 4 super zones wouldn't work for me. I stack about 7 to 9 high. I dont think it matters because the gas from the product is heavier than air so it settles. You could probably just put yours at the top in a dish and not worry about the dividers.
Enoz Mothballs have the following ingredients: Naphthalene (99.95%). Other Ingredients: (00.05%). Ice Crystals active ingredient is paradichlorobenzene. I have always heard that the Mothballs are not safe to use with bees. These ice crystals are in the form of little balls but have the proper ingredient. It seems when I order them sometimes they are in ball form and sometimes crushed into the crystals. I agree about the dish but if they fall down between it works out fine. The dividers are just damage control in the moths get into the stack somehow. As you say they are probably not really necessary.
@@brucesbees You are confusing Enoz Mothballs with Enoz Para moth balls. The Mothballs are labeled "old fashioned mothballs". Paramoth balls are p-dichlorobenzene. I get mine from Tractor Supply because they have the best price. Even better than Amazon, Walmart, or from Enoz. Ill follow up this comment with the link to the product.
Hey I just found the Enoz para moth balls you were talking about and you are right. Looks like they are the same thing as the ice crystals. I just hope people look at the ingredients and make sure they are getting the right thing. I learned something today from you. Thanks!!!
Do you have to add more crystals at some before spring? (if it was in video I'm sorry, I watched it a few weeks ago and may have forgot some of the details)
By the time the season is over pretty much all the supers are pulled but we did leave just a few on. May pull a few boxes of honey in a couple of weeks but to won’t be much.
I wouldn't use plastic to fill holes between boxes, did you know wax moths can eat plastic? Years ago, I tried to store supers in trash bags the following spring when I went to get supers they were loaded with moths and I learned they can eat plastic. Last year, I read that land fills were going to start using wax moths to break down plastics. Curious why your storing supers now, Do you not get a Fall flow? Enjoyed the video!
Not enough of a fall flow to be worth harvesting. And the cotton honey, though it is tasty, crystallizes very fast. I typically leave it for the bees to have for winter but if we have excess coming in I might consider pulling some. Good to know about the plastic. I will keep an eye on it. It seems like no matter what k do I lose a few frames here and there but not a significant amount. We also have a lot of issues around here with SHB. It is important to try to keep the bees crowded at least some as we go into this summer dearth and also get the honey off or the Hive Beetles will have a hay day. Especially in colonies that are weakened for any reason. This is my least favorite time of year as a beekeeper.
I just pour some in and try to sores them out. I ordered a 6 pack so tried to kind of estimate how many it would take. Maybe should use a few more than I did in the video. I think the bag actually has a cubic foot measurement on it but have never really been too scientific about it.
I'm glad you showed that brand, the "paramoth" seemed a little pricy. I'm thinking about insulating a box truck with spray foam insulation and keeping it at 50°, I heard that works, just can't afford that step right now
I know actual dimensions, but here is a video of our harvest. We extract at RanCan Bee Ranch. Not my honey house. My friend Rusty has the facility and we combine our extraction equipment for efficiency purposes. ua-cam.com/video/rDHmDUVy4l4/v-deo.html
Nice presentation, Bruce! :) I'm getting several questions about this over the past few days, I think I'm going to give you my shout-out on Friday :) good stuff to think about, and I like it because it's very different from what I do so I think it's great for viewers to see a variety of options. Wishing you all the best!
Awesome. Thanks Fred! I would rather store out in the open and not use the crystals but it is difficult with the number of boxes I have. I appreciate you watching and all you do. BTW I pulled out my Hive Butler and have actually used it a little after our ST chat a few days ago. Might order some more and see how it helps out in my operation.
@@brucesbees HI Bruce, for small-scale backyard keepers the Hive Butlers are a great way to store and have extracted frames at the ready. For an operation as large as yours that's not practical but there are lots of other uses for them. Swarm transport AND moving frames of brood around as needed for hive boosting :) Thanks for the response :)
@@FrederickDunn yes for sure. I used mine the other day to move some frames around and also to hold my queen as I completed an inspection. Just have to give it some more time to see if it is efficient. I think it will be. Also can use them for hive beetle slime outs to put the frames with beetles and larvae in while I process them so they don’t escape into the ground or other colonies. Just brainstorming a bit though. They are a bit cost prohibitive though so will really have to see the need to order more.
Thanks Bruce the video was great. Have a Blessed weekend
Thanks!
@@brucesbees Ha Bruce this video I tell u what I went out there to get some drawn comb for some nucs that need some room and I found moths all the brood and honey boxes are in the garage it is closed up and I have nets on every thing yet There are moths in every box now I am pulling them out and freezing 4 deeps at a time in my freezer. I have that crystle stuff ordered from amazon will it kill the adult moth as well as keep young. going to stack them like u did after I have checked every one and froze each box for a couple of days. Thanks again for the video.
@framcesmoore yeah I think it pretty much kills anything wax moth related. But haven’t really applied it when I had an active infestation going. Usually try to get them matured before that happens.
Thank you Bruce for your quick response to my question .
Thanks for sharing your super storage process. Much appreciated.
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Great video Bruce! Those crystals work well. Been using them on my supers and then air them out for a week or so before throwing them on the hives.
Yep I know there are other products and techniques but I have had good success using the crystals.
Good demo Bruce!! I store my deep brood frames same way after I freeze them. Same ingredient and it works great. Good teaching video my friend!! Have a great weekend. Time slow down some….
Yes. But now is when beekeeping becomes hard. Hopefully can keep them alive through the next couple of months.
Note to self, but a decent blue tarp on trailer before wet supers to catch cappings
That is a good idea!
Great job, Bruce. I bought those same crystals awhile back for this season because wax moth have a way of wrecking my equipment!
Good deal. They should work for you
Good advice!
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I just started last year using Paramoth and works great. Perfect timing on this video.
Thanks Brian. Yeah it can be a dilemma. Hope it helps some folks out.
I was told the fumes only go down, I put a pan on top, put the "paramoth" in the pan then seal top lid with palet wrap plastic. Fumes go down
That is my understanding too.
These moth balls contains p-Dichlorobenzene. Probably it all evaporate after winter. Heck, all the veggies and fruits that we eat are soak with pesticides. Farm raised animals are fed with whatever chemical or antibiotics. So a bit of p-Dichlorobenzene is probably no big deal. But for me, because I can, I don't use any chemical to preserve my honey super comb. I always use excluders. So the moth doesn't like the clean comb as much. Every year after winter I can find a small amount of moth activities my comb. The bees will take care of that easily when I place the supers on.
If I didn’t do something I would have a devastating result. Would rather not use it but it has worked well for me for years.
@@brucesbees I agreed. For commercial purposes, using pesticide is inevitable. A small amount of that stuff is not going to hurt. I am just a backyard bee keeper. I can even afford to throw away all honey comb and let the bees draw new ones every year. Commercial is a different game.
Very nice!! You’ve been working hard and making great videos. Good to see how you store your boxes. This is the first year I will have a stack of supers to store so will look for those Ice crystals. Thanks for sharing!
Have worked for me for years. You can get them at Walmart but I have started buying them on Amazon.
@@brucesbees cheers I might get a item close to it I am in Australia north qld.
@@brettellis1837 the key is that the active ingredient has to be paradichlorobenzene
Another great video Bruce!! I appreciate your time and effort to help fellow beekeepers! One question, if you condense a hive down and have frames from a brood box that may have pollen and nectar in the cells, what is the best way to store them? Would your method work for these frames or is it better to keep them in a freezer if you have the space? Thank you💖
I would say the freezer is always better is you have space. If the frames have nectar and pollen you can definitely freeze them but if you want to store them using the crystals I would set them out and let the bees clean them up before storing.
We’re did you get the hive mover seen at 1:45 in this video? I looked around for something like it .
Mann Lake. www.mannlakeltd.com/extracting-bottling/honey-bottling-equipment/ez-lift-hivetruck/
Bruce, I use the same product. I use either paper plates with a lot of small holes or either window screen wire to put my moth ice crystals on so the fumes can go down. Then I put a piece of plywood on top of that. I stack them about 6 or 7 high. Now I guess it’s Apiguard time. Please be careful in the heat watching over those girls.
Yeah man. It’s the time of year when I usually lose some. Have lost a few but overall they look pretty good.
Used this last two years on all ten of my supers(lol).I wrapped every one with pallet wrap and put a lid on top.December in ky i put them outside under my carport so air and light can get through them.Just wondering if i could skip the crystals?I know Mike Barry i dont think uses crystals or does he ?Great video ,keep posting.
I think Mike uses crystals on comb that has had brood in it and I think he stacks his honey supers under an awning but he tips them on end so they have exposure to light and air. That works but it is not possible for me in my situation.
That pulled comb is gold .Gotta protect it
@timmorris7022 absolutely.
I'm wondering if this will work in my hot humid Texas weather. Thanks for this video.
Absolutely. I live in hot humid south Alabama.
Love your videos.. you are a couple months ahead of me
Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching!
I am curious to know if storing honey frames in walk-in freezers and coolers during the winter is a good practice. I have recently extracted honey from my beehives and I am looking for an effective way to preserve it for later use. I have heard that storing honey frames in a cold environment can help prevent crystallization and preserve the freshness of the honey. However, I am not sure if this method is reliable or if there are any potential drawbacks to consider. As such, I would appreciate it if you could provide me with some detailed advice on this matter. Thank you for your help.
If you freeze the honey it will preserve it. Assuming you mean frames with honey still in them. Are you planing on extracting before storing? If you are taking about frames of comb then freezing will definitely preserve them.
Yes. Extract the honey and store the wet frames (extracted) into a freezer for the season.
@AN-OLD-BEE yeah I think that would work
I put mine on a paper towel on the top box.
I do the same.
Yeah makes sense. As high as I stack them though I feel like I need to put them a little bit more regularly in the boxes. Not sure the fumes would drop 16 boxes.
I stack my boxes 8 high and use a shim at the fourth box and on top. I place a paper plate with crystals at the shim in the middle and at the top of the stack. This way, when it gases off, I have top to bottom coverage.
I just let them get robbed out never get moths knock on wood...I use queen excluder not sure if that helps keep them cleaner
Can you use them in brood boxes with comb empty stored for winter? thanks Bruce
Yes. Be sure to use enough. I peeked in on some of my brood boxes today and there was some damage. Didn’t have enough to treat properly. Added more. Hopefully will take care of the problem.
The wax moths are more likely to get into brood comb. They like the comb that has had brood develop and seem to also like pollen.
The para moth sold at the bee supply shops is outrageously expensive.
I’ll check the stores instead. What store do you recommend?
Amazon or Walmart. Enoz Ice Crystals. I show the package in the video.
Somehow you got the product I use (Enoz brand para moth balls), but in the crystals package. Probably a factory error. Exact same chemical, just in a moth ball and not crystals. It also comes in a larger puck. I use a shim and paper plate at the top. I have to refresh the product a time or two so the breaking up into 4 super zones wouldn't work for me. I stack about 7 to 9 high. I dont think it matters because the gas from the product is heavier than air so it settles. You could probably just put yours at the top in a dish and not worry about the dividers.
Enoz Mothballs have the following ingredients: Naphthalene (99.95%). Other Ingredients: (00.05%). Ice Crystals active ingredient is paradichlorobenzene. I have always heard that the Mothballs are not safe to use with bees. These ice crystals are in the form of little balls but have the proper ingredient. It seems when I order them sometimes they are in ball form and sometimes crushed into the crystals. I agree about the dish but if they fall down between it works out fine. The dividers are just damage control in the moths get into the stack somehow. As you say they are probably not really necessary.
@@brucesbees You are confusing Enoz Mothballs with Enoz Para moth balls. The Mothballs are labeled "old fashioned mothballs". Paramoth balls are p-dichlorobenzene. I get mine from Tractor Supply because they have the best price. Even better than Amazon, Walmart, or from Enoz. Ill follow up this comment with the link to the product.
Hey I just found the Enoz para moth balls you were talking about and you are right. Looks like they are the same thing as the ice crystals. I just hope people look at the ingredients and make sure they are getting the right thing. I learned something today from you. Thanks!!!
Do you have to add more crystals at some before spring? (if it was in video I'm sorry, I watched it a few weeks ago and may have forgot some of the details)
It probably is best to reapply after a couple of months. I don’t always do that but used to prior to having so many bees.
Nice, hope to have that much comb some day.
If that is your goal you will.
I use the crystals also. Works like a charm. Do you pull all your duper or leave some on? Thanks for the video like always
By the time the season is over pretty much all the supers are pulled but we did leave just a few on. May pull a few boxes of honey in a couple of weeks but to won’t be much.
I wouldn't use plastic to fill holes between boxes, did you know wax moths can eat plastic? Years ago, I tried to store supers in trash bags the following spring when I went to get supers they were loaded with moths and I learned they can eat plastic. Last year, I read that land fills were going to start using wax moths to break down plastics. Curious why your storing supers now, Do you not get a Fall flow? Enjoyed the video!
Not enough of a fall flow to be worth harvesting. And the cotton honey, though it is tasty, crystallizes very fast. I typically leave it for the bees to have for winter but if we have excess coming in I might consider pulling some. Good to know about the plastic. I will keep an eye on it. It seems like no matter what k do I lose a few frames here and there but not a significant amount. We also have a lot of issues around here with SHB. It is important to try to keep the bees crowded at least some as we go into this summer dearth and also get the honey off or the Hive Beetles will have a hay day. Especially in colonies that are weakened for any reason. This is my least favorite time of year as a beekeeper.
Where do you leave your supers for the bees to clean? By the hives or some other places?
Near the hives.
First thank you for the video. Second, what process do you go through before putting the supers back on the hives?
I will be doing that soon. It is best to let them air out for awhile before putting them back on the hives.
I usually use a paper towel to make a pile on between the boxes.
That would work too.
Thanks for the video. I've heard about using the ice crystals, but have been afraid to trust them.
Yes it can make a person nervous. But as long as you use the right product it is not issue.
I have been pulling honey frames and replacing them with drawn frames but leaving my supers on year round with excluders in Florida? Is that okay?
If it works for you then it should be ok. My only concern would be ventilation issues if it gets cold or hive beetles due to too much space.
Do you have the amount of crystals you would use for ever four boxes --thanks
I just pour some in and try to sores them out. I ordered a 6 pack so tried to kind of estimate how many it would take. Maybe should use a few more than I did in the video. I think the bag actually has a cubic foot measurement on it but have never really been too scientific about it.
I've got stack of nuc boxes in storage like that.. think I'll lose my mind if I don't get them filled before winter
Hopefully you will. I have a bunch of nucs stacked as well.
I'm glad you showed that brand, the "paramoth" seemed a little pricy. I'm thinking about insulating a box truck with spray foam insulation and keeping it at 50°, I heard that works, just can't afford that step right now
Yes I think that would work well and actually be preferred but as you say some things can be cost prohibitive.
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Whew. I do work hard but I’m sure there are others who work harder.
I use the same thing.
I put political signs as gaskets, cut them to size.
Makes sense.
Are you completely done with your honey season already?
I think so. Might pull just a little bit more in a couple of weeks.
Great video. Roll Tide
Thanks. Roll Tide!
Honey house tour please. With dimensions
I know actual dimensions, but here is a video of our harvest. We extract at RanCan Bee Ranch. Not my honey house. My friend Rusty has the facility and we combine our extraction equipment for efficiency purposes. ua-cam.com/video/rDHmDUVy4l4/v-deo.html
😢 hot stacks