Chuvanists can’t understand him or perceive wrongly because lack of objective & logical perspective. He is for universalism & inclusiveness & breaking barriers within us. ❤❤❤❤
Why does he keep saying brahmins are the oppressing caste. He gets it totally wrong. Brahmins are like 2% of the population. They go by merits be it studies or otherwise unlike many other castes. In fact brahmins are the community which has been oppressed lot for quite sometime. I just don't understand what he is trying to say . Fine if carnaric music is for brahmins and upper caste. Why does he have a problem. Everyone has their own things ..let brahmin have carnatic music..so what...why is he trying to even take that away..
He does these things for political popularity, nothing else. He wants to stand out. Brahmins have never discriminated. When brahmins have reserved their human right to whom they want to mix with its interpreted as discrimination, while Brahmins have never indulged in real discrimination such as depriving others of food,shelter, causing physical harm, violence or murder of members of other communities. Some individuals who feel jealous of purohits and Hindu priests for the respect they get start this propoganda of discrimination and PPL like TMK use it for popularity and awards.
What he doesn't know is that not all so-called upper caste people enjoy privileges...A large number of upper caste people are in a poor condition struggling to lead a comfortable life..tmk has a biased view that's all and thats what is selling for him..
It is new and significant view coming from a person from the field of music. It is to be listened to and valued rightly. People from other fields have voiced similar views at different times and places. It is now time to recollect and consolidate such views. One such effort was made by none other than H.H.Sri Sri Ravishankar by publishing a booklet titled "Those Who Stood by the Dalits". Yes, that was from the perspective of spirituality. There was also an article by Prof. N.Mannathukkaaran in The Hindu, a few years ago. There are views from many perspectives. It is time that all of them are honestly studied, thought about and acted upon sincerely for good of all. In the process one may get to know how a Gopala Swamy happened to be called 'panchama Gopalaswami' and why O.V.Krishnamurthy got President of India Award for Best Head Master. Like them so many more would be there, now forgotten by the beneficiaries as well as their own community. TMK is prompting such move.
No one has stopped non Brahmins from taking up classical music… just trying to target Brahmins is really wrong. Every time making Brahmins the culprit is so cheap. This shows the fundamental distance he maintains from understanding the culture.
Youve not listened to him in earnest. He is very honest when he says that there is such a struggle out there to reach at least some where close to where the aspirants want to be
What he is trying to say? If brahmins are learning in majority a art form...... He is saying they are casteist...... First of all there is no glamour for carnatic music in other communities so, they are not coming . Is it brahmins fault???? His statements are just provoking that leads annihilation and persecution of brahmins and mnot at all close to so called annihikation of casteism....😢😢
How can we rely upon a person who is saying classical carnatic music is nothing to do with religion wich is saying that taking credits out of sanathana dharma and giving it prosilitising guys under disguise of missionaries.
No anger even closely substitutes what Brahmin has done bad to this society. Just try to imagine untouchability for 2 minutes and then lecture in comments. And even today that sentiment still exists to the mind of many or most of the Brahmin
Every community is deprived in different ways. When the many foreigners invaded India the vibrant communities in India lost their identity due to brutality imposed on them. Up and down the spectrum communities were deprived of self respect. This has continued in some form or the other to this day. It is going to take centuries to overcome trauma the brutal foreign rule imposed on India. The British sowed the seeds of hate by divide and rule policies. To claim that the upper caste is depriving the lower castes of opportunities in some art forms is not accurate. Not everyone is interested in classical music. Today many non-Hindus who have more privileges than the Hindus are playing the victim card falsely. Currently Hindus are being oppressed by other communities. Why is this not mentioned in the discussion ? This is not a balanced discussion. There is a gaping hole.
not sure what this guy is trying to say or do ; how many poor (so called) dalits have been taken in by him into his music school and reshaped those potential young ones into a fine musician? One thing is clear-he loves to hear himself. He is very condescending . Let me suggest that he recruits three top students of the Govt music college and tutor them to become fine music vidwans , that is better than activistic talking.
As we are uppercaste we are getting good honour and more respect in Govt in terms of getting jobs and promotions and speaking with you blindly hiding the original facts.
I heard and read online that many of the current Muslim musicians of North were converted Brahmins. One glaring example is Tansen. Surprised why a very knowledgeable person like TMK didn’t even mention this possibility in the discussion of inclusivity in Hindustani music
I also heard & read that many such Muslim brahmins were not allowed to come back to Hindu Brahmin fold when they wanted to revert. The Hindu Brahmins didn't allow that.
While there's some truth to What Krishna is saying, it's a bit exaggerated. The stuff he's saying about lack of opportunities is true a few decades ago, not now. Also several of the opinions he expressed are simply false. The reason Muslim Hindustani vocalists have reduced has nothing to do with Hindu elitism. It's inside pressure from Muslim community which has moved towards Wahabi mentality and trying to sever connections from anything that's remotely un-Islamic. Lastly, his opinion that Modi's nationalism is Hindu upper caste elitism in disguise is patently false. Not only there's ample proof from his appointments, but also it's impossible to govern anything in vibrant democracy like India without including all the castes.
In the present of god siva or any god all living things are equal and same all human in his state upperclass, god bring us in to this world god never tell us about caste only male gene and females people create this , in India this is very indispicapable I am velalar family but we don’t think or talk about this actually I am fro srilanka I live in Canada for 41 yrs this country is well advanced country so this country never talk about caste Indians always talk about caste in corrigible mostly Tamils Sinhalese and Tamils never talk caste our problem is different Sinhalese very nice people our karma we separate due to war.
This man is a pure nuisance to music lovers. Unnecessarily bringing in caste and all sundries. Pray who is playing the instrument Nadhaswaram? Many from all caste, why even from other religion and country too are singing both carnatic and hindustani music beautifully. Asking to allow the parai to be played in December music season and singing raagas made specifically in the name of Hindu gods, combining it with other religion gods and claming secular is pure madness. To top it all blabbering that cow's, rather it is buffalo and also only dead one's skin is used for mirdhangam and tabla, and questioning how can people use these instrument and at the same talk against their slaughter is the high of ignorance and idiocracy. Seeing some of his interview to know what he is trying to say, irritates people to the maximum extent. Unfortunately, in TN, those people who do not even know the basis and basics of music but who are staunch followers of periyar and anti Brahmins, all claiming to be so modern!!!. Pathetic. There are someting which are done only in certain place and time. Parai is played when a person passes away and nadaswaram in marriage, temples and other religious functions. We sleep in bed room and cook in kitchen. Everything has a place and time in which it had to be done. Yes many will start to scold me but i am happy with my views and do not want this man to mingle and create confussion in a peaceful music which gives solace to mind. Now you people can start your music of scolding me.
Music is beyond all, caste creed religion national, tmk is keep on attacking insulting all great musicians including ms.amma, he is trying focus himself as different and a great person, he is one of dust of all musicians who composed great sahithyam without expect any royalty and all dedicated themselves for divine music, soon tmk join in political party.
It is a reputation and respect the community has built for itself. A failures argument. A failed wanna be anthropologist who doesnt know the first thing about anthropology. People are not equal in the world. They aren't born equal, they will never be equal. This is the reality of nature. The entire argument is naive.
I am peeved at how carnatic is a bastion of Brahmins . Carnatic should be open to all . I am with TMK on this. But there is a global propoganda against Hindus and Hindus are also suppressed in many ways which also has to be spoken
Did anyone stop non Brahmins from taking up Carnatic music.??? Or are you simply blaming Brahmins for the lack of interest shown by non Brahmins from learning music? What stupidity are you talking about? NAME ONE PERSON WHO TAKES IN STUDENTS BASED ON CASTE. How shameless can you people and tm Krishna get..?
@@hritishguruprasad5507 tell me how many non brahmin carnatic artists are around ? Why is it not common to see non brahmin carnatic artists if there is no barrier to it.
@@varshasubramanian5695 is that our mistake..??? I’m sorry are you telling me that they have to be forced to take it up..? What rubbish are you talking..?? If someone wants to take it up they will….NO ONE HAS TOLD THEM NOT TO….
Akkaa.... Wake up akkaa.... Carnatic music is for everyone. My friend is from other community he is doing well..... Tmk is Intolerant at first place. Please don't be a scapegoat of his words..... Come to Mylapore and enroll in music if u are interested
Don't know what world this guy lives in. I have never experienced privilege because I'm upper caste. In fact the opposite, I have only been ridiculed and hated upon. In temples and music classes, my uppercaste has never opened any doors, only money let's you jump the queue. If this guy got a guru or got bookings in some hall it's because of who he knows, not because he is brahmin. So the privilege he is taking about comes from his elite family and their pull, not because he is a poor brahmin. Who you know is a networking skill present the world over, nothing to do with caste. Uppercaste are not the sole owners of carnatic music, this guy is delusional, music is so divine there is an audience of uppercaste ready to listen to anyone singing carnatic sangeetham from the heart. No one commands respect and houseful shows like K J Jesudas. This guy is some brainwashed pampered fellow who has been made to believe he has a market in stirring up caste in this industry. Some people just like to feel like mini Nelson Mandelas but in reality they are probably lacking success and are looking for some desperate glory. Abolish the reservation system, make all government jobs and education based on pure merit and give reservation to the poor, regardless of caste. Make it truly equal, and then if caste discrimination still exists then we can start talking about upper castes needing to listen. Chumma don't moan and groan on some imaginary oppression.
You say you have been ridiculed and hated upon for being upper caste, which sounds very much like reverse oppression. This might be true, but then you contradict yourself in the last line by saying "don't moan and groan about imagined oppression". So is the ridicule you have faced imagined too, or does that somehow get the distinction of being *real*? If so, why? You call for abolishing the reservation system, but you are not willing to forego your upper-caste identity? How does that work? The day that Brahmins can actually *see* that there is no difference between persons of lower and upper caste, and that they are essentially just as ordinary as the next person irrespective of their caste, the reservation system will naturally come to an end. The day that brahmins see through the delusions of caste-based beliefs that have been handed down to them, and do not care to even know the caste of whoever it is their sons or daughters are getting married to - the oppressed feeling of the lower castes will come to its natural end. In other words, until you - in your own mind - express doubt in your own identity as a brahmin and are willing to explore who you really are, have no business expecting others to do so.
@ralphczukay13 what nonsense are you blabbering. Are you an idiot. You didn't respond to the argument presented above. Rather you are spitting venom like a snake
@@ralphczukay1390 let me tell you.... As a Brahmin, I got ridiculed from other castes, my friends only gave me trauma, I was forced to eat meat, I got cancelled by so called woke people for not matching their cuisine tastes. I studied well and instead of appreciation for my hardwork they always remind me as a Brahmin so you are entitled to get good marks. It is just treated as normal. Even getting good marks, I have to settle for other branch of study instead of I am qualified to study my branch of interest. Ok fine I only compromised and taken another field of study. Faced tough competition and placed in a public sector bank. Still my promotion is pending even I completed all certifications and achieved my targets. In every step of my life you people just Gaslight me because I never seen you as a normal person. How can I see you as a normal because you people are incredible just by scoring minimum qualify marks getting the desired institution and course and entitled to have opinion on upper castes as oppressors. To not get cancelled by you people who have following we fake our identity or our culture to mingle with you people and even we are not accepted we tried to cope up with your ideas and even some of my friends like Mr. TMK in the name of rationalism started hating their background and cynical to their own kind to get recognition and validation from you people to get accepted. This much trauma we are going through it. Even our excellence also getting treated as casteism. We never deprived anyone in teaching a certain art forms and formal education. Even though we are treated as a casteists and not entitled to have opinions also. You have reacted for don't groan and moan for imaginary oppression line in a comment. It is about you people who gaslights us. And in reverse you have applied on us we have imaginary oppression. No we don't have any imaginary oppression, you people have it. . The so called carnatic exponent TMK delusioned to get global acceptance he is reverse gaslighting his own..... You are incorrigible and In tolerant am saying...... All you people gives me a trauma and cat calling names as casteist, Tambaram, pantulu, sambar etc. you people are casteists in real sense..... That's why so many upper castes leaving India and going abroad
@@chaiswatkesari5264 Wow, you have talked a lot and still managed to say very little. I think I can sum up your point by saying, "the oppression of lower castes is imagined, whereas that of the upper caste (including gaslighting & being force-fed ideologies) is real". Well done. Okay, let us assume you are right. Our community is the only community in the world that is oppressed (lol). Answer this first: is there any *real* difference between a so-called lower caste and a so-called upper caste person? If so, what is it that distinguishes the two? And is this distinction by birth? In other words, is the caste itself an imaginary concept? Or does it have any roots in a reality beyond a socially and culturally accepted premise?
Krishna will start speaking against country also. His thinking is confused. Pseudo secular thougts. Stop all this and train younger generation on pure carnatic music.
Why does he feel Carnatic Music is elevated music.Just because a group of Tams enjoy Carnatic doesn't make it elevated. Sorry to burst TMK's bubble, Carnatic Music does not make the world go around.
Well, the opposite can also be true- just because 90% of people don’t understand this music, doesn’t reduce its value. One should judge after understanding and comparing the intricacies and grammar of different styles.
@@srinivask2485 my point is he feels there is caste discrimination because others are not participating in carnatic music and brahmins are actively stopping them.Maybe the others aren't interested enough and that doesn't mean they are leading lesser lives. He grew up in an atmosphere where they thought they were elite,by his own admission, and he has extended that to all tambrams. Just because some tambrams around him were talking big doesn't mean that is the reality of the world. Maybe unique to the small cluster of people he grew up around.Not all of us have grown up feeling elite or special, inspite of being tambram, living in other parts of the country or struggling for admission in Tamil Nadu.
Pvnag yes, I agree with you on TMK. Your previous comment was directed at the classical music itself. I understand TMK’s pain that the majority are not at all interested in this music and appreciate his efforts to spread awareness but of course, I too have problem with the path he chose to achieve his goal. Time will tell.
Now I heard this completely and feel your first comment is not accurate with regard to this video- no where here TMK elevated classical music , in fact he said the opposite- its just a part of many other great cultures/genre that were oppressed. There maybe some truth in that but in my opinion, the rest of his talk is BS.
What is the 'glory' of Tamil today resulting from 'Tamil' cinema becoming a tool for whatever he thinks is 'Dravidian' 'ISM'' ? One can get fame or notoriety through use or miduse of one's powers of creating art or intellectual or spiritual revolution (excuse my big wirds). But one must choose between the two without loding sight of sense due to an emotion driving toward dubious fame. TMK should try and speak sense , and also make it constructiv. To do thst he should first extricate himself from his own peevish world of uninformed thinking so that he can at least define his territory and stay within its boundary limits. I eondrr whether his Magsaysay award stioulates him to remain nondescript and remain horribly confused about definitions of so many terms he is reeling away even in an interview. Media people are wont to wasting time through with confused people There is very very little to comment on all the balderdash and only so so much to say about this man.
If only so much is there to say about this man, I wonder why you took such an effort to write even a paragraph, with all its errors. It would be constructive use of your language and effort if you could counter his ideas instead of personal attack.
Solution is people from other races should think and oppose the people who suppress them the problem whole lot nonbrahmin people listen and willingly becomes slaves to Brahmin ideas whatever they say as if the word uttered by God lot spiritual leader and social leader helped the nonbrahmin slaves from brahmin
Chuvanists can’t understand him or perceive wrongly because lack of objective & logical perspective. He is for universalism & inclusiveness & breaking barriers within us. ❤❤❤❤
Why does he keep saying brahmins are the oppressing caste. He gets it totally wrong. Brahmins are like 2% of the population. They go by merits be it studies or otherwise unlike many other castes.
In fact brahmins are the community which has been oppressed lot for quite sometime.
I just don't understand what he is trying to say .
Fine if carnaric music is for brahmins and upper caste. Why does he have a problem. Everyone has their own things ..let brahmin have carnatic music..so what...why is he trying to even take that away..
He does these things for political popularity, nothing else. He wants to stand out. Brahmins have never discriminated. When brahmins have reserved their human right to whom they want to mix with its interpreted as discrimination, while Brahmins have never indulged in real discrimination such as depriving others of food,shelter, causing physical harm, violence or murder of members of other communities. Some individuals who feel jealous of purohits and Hindu priests for the respect they get start this propoganda of discrimination and PPL like TMK use it for popularity and awards.
It is not of Brahmins to keep it with themselves is what he trying to convey... Art is for everyone
What he doesn't know is that not all so-called upper caste people enjoy privileges...A large number of upper caste people are in a poor condition struggling to lead a comfortable life..tmk has a biased view that's all and thats what is selling for him..
It is new and significant view coming from a person from the field of music. It is to be listened to and valued rightly.
People from other fields have voiced similar views at different times and places.
It is now time to recollect and consolidate such views. One such effort was made by none other than H.H.Sri Sri Ravishankar by publishing a booklet titled "Those Who Stood by the Dalits". Yes, that was from the perspective of spirituality. There was also an article by
Prof. N.Mannathukkaaran in The Hindu, a few years ago.
There are views from many perspectives. It is time that all of them are honestly studied, thought about and acted upon sincerely for good of all. In the process one may get to know how a Gopala Swamy happened to be called 'panchama Gopalaswami' and why O.V.Krishnamurthy got President of India Award for Best Head Master. Like them so many more would be there, now forgotten by the beneficiaries as well as their own community.
TMK is prompting such move.
No one has stopped non Brahmins from taking up classical music… just trying to target Brahmins is really wrong. Every time making Brahmins the culprit is so cheap. This shows the fundamental distance he maintains from understanding the culture.
Youve not listened to him in earnest. He is very honest when he says that there is such a struggle out there to reach at least some where close to where the aspirants want to be
It is a tough battle and not all can succeed unless there is a change a radical one at that in our thinking process and attitude and mind set
The second Rahul Gandhi of the South 😂
WoW very articulate and thoughtful
What he is trying to say? If brahmins are learning in majority a art form...... He is saying they are casteist...... First of all there is no glamour for carnatic music in other communities so, they are not coming . Is it brahmins fault???? His statements are just provoking that leads annihilation and persecution of brahmins and mnot at all close to so called annihikation of casteism....😢😢
How can we rely upon a person who is saying classical carnatic music is nothing to do with religion wich is saying that taking credits out of sanathana dharma and giving it prosilitising guys under disguise of missionaries.
Respect! Audacity in his words and thoughts. We need more people like TMK
No anger even closely substitutes what Brahmin has done bad to this society. Just try to imagine untouchability for 2 minutes and then lecture in comments. And even today that sentiment still exists to the mind of many or most of the Brahmin
His thoughts are very clear.
People Those who criticise themselves will understand his ideas what he says exactly .
Thank you so much for rising voice of many who don't have voice.
Every community is deprived in different ways. When the many foreigners invaded India the vibrant communities in India lost their identity due to brutality imposed on them. Up and down the spectrum communities were deprived of self respect. This has continued in some form or the other to this day. It is going to take centuries to overcome trauma the brutal foreign rule imposed on India. The British sowed the seeds of hate by divide and rule policies.
To claim that the upper caste is depriving the lower castes of opportunities in some art forms is not accurate. Not everyone is interested in classical music.
Today many non-Hindus who have more privileges than the Hindus are playing the victim card falsely. Currently Hindus are being oppressed by other communities. Why is this not mentioned in the discussion ?
This is not a balanced discussion. There is a gaping hole.
He should also talk about the hatred and venom being spewed towards the Sanathana Dharma in general and brahmins in particular in Tamil Nadu.
not sure what this guy is trying to say or do ; how many poor (so called) dalits have been taken in by him into his music school and reshaped those potential young ones into a fine musician? One thing is clear-he loves to hear himself. He is very condescending .
Let me suggest that he recruits three top students of the Govt music college and tutor them to become fine music vidwans , that is better than activistic talking.
As we are uppercaste we are getting good honour and more respect in Govt in terms of getting jobs and promotions and speaking with you blindly hiding the original facts.
I heard and read online that many of the current Muslim musicians of North were converted Brahmins. One glaring example is Tansen. Surprised why a very knowledgeable person like TMK didn’t even mention this possibility in the discussion of inclusivity in Hindustani music
I also heard & read that many such Muslim brahmins were not allowed to come back to Hindu Brahmin fold when they wanted to revert. The Hindu Brahmins didn't allow that.
While there's some truth to What Krishna is saying, it's a bit exaggerated. The stuff he's saying about lack of opportunities is true a few decades ago, not now. Also several of the opinions he expressed are simply false. The reason Muslim Hindustani vocalists have reduced has nothing to do with Hindu elitism. It's inside pressure from Muslim community which has moved towards Wahabi mentality and trying to sever connections from anything that's remotely un-Islamic. Lastly, his opinion that Modi's nationalism is Hindu upper caste elitism in disguise is patently false. Not only there's ample proof from his appointments, but also it's impossible to govern anything in vibrant democracy like India without including all the castes.
Empty vessel making more noise.
I wonder this : why exactly is it wrong to keep an art form within a community? What’s the problem with this scheme?
In the present of god siva or any god all living things are equal and same all human in his state upperclass, god bring us in to this world god never tell us about caste only male gene and females people create this , in India this is very indispicapable I am velalar family but we don’t think or talk about this actually I am fro srilanka I live in Canada for 41 yrs this country is well advanced country so this country never talk about caste Indians always talk about caste in corrigible mostly Tamils Sinhalese and Tamils never talk caste our problem is different Sinhalese very nice people our karma we separate due to war.
Great musician.... 🙏.... But what is he upto?.... Any other Award fir such discussions?... I am a big fan if him but....
He is being a man who can also think for himself and call out the wrongs happening in society
It is also what he says in this. You are so previleged you don't understand why
Why the mudslinging on all the musicians?
This man is a pure nuisance to music lovers. Unnecessarily bringing in caste and all sundries. Pray who is playing the instrument Nadhaswaram? Many from all caste, why even from other religion and country too are singing both carnatic and hindustani music beautifully.
Asking to allow the parai to be played in December music season and singing raagas made specifically in the name of Hindu gods, combining it with other religion gods and claming secular is pure madness.
To top it all blabbering that cow's, rather it is buffalo and also only dead one's skin is used for mirdhangam and tabla, and questioning how can people use these instrument and at the same talk against their slaughter is the high of ignorance and idiocracy.
Seeing some of his interview to know what he is trying to say, irritates people to the maximum extent.
Unfortunately, in TN, those people who do not even know the basis and basics of music but who are staunch followers of periyar and anti Brahmins, all claiming to be so modern!!!.
Pathetic.
There are someting which are done only in certain place and time. Parai is played when a person passes away and nadaswaram in marriage, temples and other religious functions. We sleep in bed room and cook in kitchen. Everything has a place and time in which it had to be done.
Yes many will start to scold me but i am happy with my views and do not want this man to mingle and create confussion in a peaceful music which gives solace to mind.
Now you people can start your music of scolding me.
You are right brother I agree with you
Music is beyond all, caste creed religion national, tmk is keep on attacking insulting all great musicians including ms.amma, he is trying focus himself as different and a great person, he is one of dust of all musicians who composed great sahithyam without expect any royalty and all dedicated themselves for divine music, soon tmk join in political party.
Totally agree.
Awesome Krishna Bro 👍👍👍 Every word of Urs was as sweet as listening to a soothing music 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
It is a reputation and respect the community has built for itself.
A failures argument. A failed wanna be anthropologist who doesnt know the first thing about anthropology.
People are not equal in the world. They aren't born equal, they will never be equal. This is the reality of nature.
The entire argument is naive.
Tm krishna is nice man
Krishna is a person who search and understand the pain rest inside the deprived class people...
I am peeved at how carnatic is a bastion of Brahmins . Carnatic should be open to all . I am with TMK on this. But there is a global propoganda against Hindus and Hindus are also suppressed in many ways which also has to be spoken
Did anyone stop non Brahmins from taking up Carnatic music.??? Or are you simply blaming Brahmins for the lack of interest shown by non Brahmins from learning music?
What stupidity are you talking about?
NAME ONE PERSON WHO TAKES IN STUDENTS BASED ON CASTE. How shameless can you people and tm Krishna get..?
@@hritishguruprasad5507 tell me how many non brahmin carnatic artists are around ? Why is it not common to see non brahmin carnatic artists if there is no barrier to it.
@@varshasubramanian5695 is that our mistake..??? I’m sorry are you telling me that they have to be forced to take it up..? What rubbish are you talking..?? If someone wants to take it up they will….NO ONE HAS TOLD THEM NOT TO….
Akkaa.... Wake up akkaa.... Carnatic music is for everyone. My friend is from other community he is doing well..... Tmk is Intolerant at first place. Please don't be a scapegoat of his words..... Come to Mylapore and enroll in music if u are interested
Brilliant words! Goosebumps.
Don't know what world this guy lives in. I have never experienced privilege because I'm upper caste. In fact the opposite, I have only been ridiculed and hated upon. In temples and music classes, my uppercaste has never opened any doors, only money let's you jump the queue. If this guy got a guru or got bookings in some hall it's because of who he knows, not because he is brahmin. So the privilege he is taking about comes from his elite family and their pull, not because he is a poor brahmin. Who you know is a networking skill present the world over, nothing to do with caste.
Uppercaste are not the sole owners of carnatic music, this guy is delusional, music is so divine there is an audience of uppercaste ready to listen to anyone singing carnatic sangeetham from the heart. No one commands respect and houseful shows like K J Jesudas. This guy is some brainwashed pampered fellow who has been made to believe he has a market in stirring up caste in this industry. Some people just like to feel like mini Nelson Mandelas but in reality they are probably lacking success and are looking for some desperate glory.
Abolish the reservation system, make all government jobs and education based on pure merit and give reservation to the poor, regardless of caste. Make it truly equal, and then if caste discrimination still exists then we can start talking about upper castes needing to listen. Chumma don't moan and groan on some imaginary oppression.
You say you have been ridiculed and hated upon for being upper caste, which sounds very much like reverse oppression. This might be true, but then you contradict yourself in the last line by saying "don't moan and groan about imagined oppression". So is the ridicule you have faced imagined too, or does that somehow get the distinction of being *real*? If so, why?
You call for abolishing the reservation system, but you are not willing to forego your upper-caste identity? How does that work?
The day that Brahmins can actually *see* that there is no difference between persons of lower and upper caste, and that they are essentially just as ordinary as the next person irrespective of their caste, the reservation system will naturally come to an end. The day that brahmins see through the delusions of caste-based beliefs that have been handed down to them, and do not care to even know the caste of whoever it is their sons or daughters are getting married to - the oppressed feeling of the lower castes will come to its natural end.
In other words, until you - in your own mind - express doubt in your own identity as a brahmin and are willing to explore who you really are, have no business expecting others to do so.
@ralphczukay13 what nonsense are you blabbering. Are you an idiot. You didn't respond to the argument presented above. Rather you are spitting venom like a snake
@@ralphczukay1390 let me tell you.... As a Brahmin, I got ridiculed from other castes, my friends only gave me trauma, I was forced to eat meat, I got cancelled by so called woke people for not matching their cuisine tastes. I studied well and instead of appreciation for my hardwork they always remind me as a Brahmin so you are entitled to get good marks. It is just treated as normal. Even getting good marks, I have to settle for other branch of study instead of I am qualified to study my branch of interest. Ok fine I only compromised and taken another field of study. Faced tough competition and placed in a public sector bank. Still my promotion is pending even I completed all certifications and achieved my targets. In every step of my life you people just Gaslight me because I never seen you as a normal person. How can I see you as a normal because you people are incredible just by scoring minimum qualify marks getting the desired institution and course and entitled to have opinion on upper castes as oppressors. To not get cancelled by you people who have following we fake our identity or our culture to mingle with you people and even we are not accepted we tried to cope up with your ideas and even some of my friends like Mr. TMK in the name of rationalism started hating their background and cynical to their own kind to get recognition and validation from you people to get accepted. This much trauma we are going through it. Even our excellence also getting treated as casteism. We never deprived anyone in teaching a certain art forms and formal education. Even though we are treated as a casteists and not entitled to have opinions also. You have reacted for don't groan and moan for imaginary oppression line in a comment. It is about you people who gaslights us. And in reverse you have applied on us we have imaginary oppression. No we don't have any imaginary oppression, you people have it. . The so called carnatic exponent TMK delusioned to get global acceptance he is reverse gaslighting his own..... You are incorrigible and In tolerant am saying...... All you people gives me a trauma and cat calling names as casteist, Tambaram, pantulu, sambar etc. you people are casteists in real sense..... That's why so many upper castes leaving India and going abroad
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Wow, you have talked a lot and still managed to say very little. I think I can sum up your point by saying, "the oppression of lower castes is imagined, whereas that of the upper caste (including gaslighting & being force-fed ideologies) is real". Well done.
Okay, let us assume you are right. Our community is the only community in the world that is oppressed (lol). Answer this first: is there any *real* difference between a so-called lower caste and a so-called upper caste person? If so, what is it that distinguishes the two? And is this distinction by birth?
In other words, is the caste itself an imaginary concept? Or does it have any roots in a reality beyond a socially and culturally accepted premise?
Sores even Seems not let music too
Nice talk. A thing to ponder.
This Man❤❤❤
Krishna will start speaking against country also. His thinking is confused. Pseudo secular thougts. Stop all this and train younger generation on pure carnatic music.
Lol. Previlege did effects
He is not only pseudo but a hypocrite
Why does he feel Carnatic Music is elevated music.Just because a group of Tams enjoy Carnatic doesn't make it elevated. Sorry to burst TMK's bubble, Carnatic Music does not make the world go around.
Well, the opposite can also be true- just because 90% of people don’t understand this music, doesn’t reduce its value. One should judge after understanding and comparing the intricacies and grammar of different styles.
@@srinivask2485 my point is he feels there is caste discrimination because others are not participating in carnatic music and brahmins are actively stopping them.Maybe the others aren't interested enough and that doesn't mean they are leading lesser lives. He grew up in an atmosphere where they thought they were elite,by his own admission, and he has extended that to all tambrams. Just because some tambrams around him were talking big doesn't mean that is the reality of the world. Maybe unique to the small cluster of people he grew up around.Not all of us have grown up feeling elite or special, inspite of being tambram, living in other parts of the country or struggling for admission in Tamil Nadu.
Pvnag yes, I agree with you on TMK. Your previous comment was directed at the classical music itself. I understand TMK’s pain that the majority are not at all interested in this music and appreciate his efforts to spread awareness but of course, I too have problem with the path he chose to achieve his goal. Time will tell.
Now I heard this completely and feel your first comment is not accurate with regard to this video- no where here TMK elevated classical music , in fact he said the opposite- its just a part of many other great cultures/genre that were oppressed. There maybe some truth in that but in my opinion, the rest of his talk is BS.
What is the 'glory' of Tamil today resulting from 'Tamil' cinema becoming a tool for whatever he thinks is 'Dravidian' 'ISM'' ?
One can get fame or notoriety through use or miduse of one's powers of creating art or intellectual or spiritual revolution (excuse my big wirds). But one must choose between the two without loding sight of sense due to an emotion driving toward dubious fame.
TMK should try and speak sense , and also make it constructiv. To do thst he should first extricate himself from his own peevish world of uninformed thinking so that he can at least define his territory and stay within its boundary limits. I eondrr whether his Magsaysay award stioulates him to remain nondescript and remain horribly confused about definitions of so many terms he is reeling away even in an interview.
Media people are wont to wasting time through with confused people
There is very very little to comment on all the balderdash and only so so much to say about this man.
If only so much is there to say about this man, I wonder why you took such an effort to write even a paragraph, with all its errors.
It would be constructive use of your language and effort if you could counter his ideas instead of personal attack.
Solution is people from other races should think and oppose the people who suppress them the problem whole lot nonbrahmin people listen and willingly becomes slaves to Brahmin ideas whatever they say as if the word uttered by God lot spiritual leader and social leader helped the nonbrahmin slaves from brahmin
save and protect the upper caste for India's revival of culture and heritage.........Else................
BSDK