Pros and Cons Canteen Kits: Pathfinder Canteen Kit & Heavy Cover Canteen Kit
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- I go over both kits and some pros and cons of each I've discovered from using and carrying them.
•Pathfinder Canteen Kit: www.selfrelian...
•Heavy Cover Canteen Kit:
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Centerline Systems Mother Carrier:
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I have the Pathfinder Canteen Kit in my Mother bag right now! Fits PERFECT!!!
Really good video, thanks. However, Pathfinder did NOT come up with that handle design. That is actually an older military issue style handle. I prefer them and have two older issue cups with that handle. Thanks for the video!
+Cayoot thank you watching and for the feedback! I am now well aware from other comments that they didn't design it lol, but I also didn't say they did I just said it's what they have on their cups and the two Army/Navy stores I have in my area have only ever carried butterfly style mess kits, so my knowledge of others was really limited ya know? Thank you for the non-negative comment and I appreciate the healthy discussion!
The Bearded Burton
I also liked this video...
More info:
The slots in that handle are there so you can "insert your bayonet" to remove the cup from the fire.
Bayonets are much different these days, but any long, thin knife blade will work.
I do like this handle better.....not a fan of the butterfly..... This is more heavy duty.....I' m looking to get the Pathfinder set....I have two canteens my Uncle Dom gave me many many years, with a belt....and I still use it when hiking.....1 was aluminum, 1 was stainless steel........each had a cup, with this style handle, and I went and bought 2 military plastic canteens, and 2 stove stands....!!
Oh, Bearded One . . . yeah, I'm all in with the Heavy Cover and the Mother Canteen Carrier, also. While I was at it, I ordered all the accessories: saw carrier, heavy duty strap, & Gear Roll. A Comprehensive 10 C's Scout-style bag. It's such quality gear that I don't think I'll ever have to buy it again. Great video, my friend.
Haha it’s good stuff for sure!!!
The titanium kit doesn’t come with a stove, which is quite a big disadvantage. Anyone interested, check out the standard US Army canteen cup & stove paired with Nalgene canteen. Awesome kit for around 30$.
We all have our preferences and opinions on kits like this but in my use of a USGI style canteen I rarely if ever used my stove because of the shape and height it really doesn’t do much good. It also can’t be used for much more than a elevated platform, that’s why I mentioned the folding firebox nano stove that goes with the titanium canteen very well.
Thank you for your comment and discussion and for watching!!
I understand that when you spend hundreds of $ on a canteen kit, you are not going to downgrade to a 30$ version. However, for many people who don't want to or can't spend that much money, the setup I mention is incredibly functional. For boosting the stove's cooking performance there is a simple solution. Use an air rifle pellets tin, pour in some liquid fuel gel and set the tin on it's lid to get the flame closer to the bottom of the cup (which should snugly fit slightly inside the stove itself). When you finish cooking, the tin can be closed for transport. Compact, clean, efficient, cheap. This photos show what it looks like goo.gl/2nfSUy goo.gl/h7YEKF
I use 2 pieces of bent coathanger wire over the top of the USGI stove so the cup sits on it, instead of in it. Makes it the perfect height for the trangia. I liked it so much, that when I finally bought a pathfinder set, I used an angle grinder to slice off the top of their stove to replicate the USGI stove ...and then added coathanger wire. The stock pathfinder stove is rubbish - both versions of it.
Price is a huge con...but I am aggressively saving up for one! Thanks for the comparison
+James Patterson for sure, no need to get something if it isn't practical. Thank you for watching!
Affirmative! The price is a huge con, but I'm buying one!
I've had that same pathfinder kit for almost as long. Love it! Only mod I did was to add a cork stopper. As a lid that won't melt when your first getting water to boil. Just speeds it up.
Thanks for the comment!!
The handle on the cup is the first way the military used. The butterfly one is the newest cup now. Great video. Keep the coming sir.
+hamm336 yea I've since been told this a lot lol, live and learn. Thanks for watching
Can't put a price on true quality. The best price is one that another is willing to give. Thanks for such a detailed and thorough review. I like how you do things! Great minds think alike :)
Thanks for watching!
I just contacted Mark and am ordering the mother, and already ordered the Keith. It's an investment, but I think it's worth it. Thanks again for helping me make the right decision. Best wishes you ! I appreciate ya!!
I bought the heavy cover about 3 months ago, can confirm it comes with both lids as standard now.
those handles are the type Australian army have been using for 60 years and more ,it gives stability and holds the kit together
Thank you for watching, I have stated a couple times I didn’t realize the handles were as old as they were. I only had experience with my local army navy surplus store and had yet to see any.
Take a boot blousing band and secure one of the hooks around one handle. When its open wrap it up around the handles. When you go to stow it then unravel the band and wrap it around the cup to the other handle to secure them shut.
years ago i sewed a strap to my US canteen cover with its stainless steel canteen, canteen cup and mess kit. whod of thought i was years ahead of that generation.i prefer my US millitary set up simply because it cost me 10 bucks back then. its now 30 years old and holds its own against 200 dollar canteen sets.
River rat U.S. soldiers and Marine's were doing the exact same thing during world war two, so that they could drink from their canteen without having to take it out of its carrier, probably got the idea from Japanese canteens in the Pacific theatre of operations as Japanese canteens were on a shoulder strap and not directly on the webbing belt.
The T handle is the original military canteen cup handle. I have the canteen and cup from 1945, had it since I was a kid.
+Oxxnarr D'flame ok I misspoke, I'm only 30 and most all the canteen cups I have seen at my local Army Navy surplus are not that old and are butterfly handle style, was only speaking off what I had experience with.
The Bearded Burton I'm twice plus your age :-) I prefer the butterfly handles. As a kid I didn't like the T handle, it was difficult for my young hands to work.
I really like that the new stuff comes with lids
really love my pathfinder canteen set. it's really served me well and I prefer this over my military surplus canteen set. Would love titanium but I don't have that kind of funds bit your right,I could easily save that money or end up spending that money on something else. As always great video and channel!
Great info with lots of info. I’m a canteen guy myself. I’ve had the pathfinder ss canteen kit for 3 or 4 years now and I really like it. The only real complaint I have about the pathfinder ss kit is the carrier it feels cheap and it flops around on my pack. But I’m using a old Alice pack it might be different with a molly pack. But it still feels cheap. But I’m kind of old school I’m not much on buying something new if I don’t really need it. Kind of like if it ain’t broke don’t fix it lol. Keep making the great videos.
Thank for watching and taking the time to comment! You’re right if it works for you, then go for it!
Good to see the differences between the two, I bought the pathfinder one, I liked the extra size (over plastic) and the fact that I could boil in it, the real killer feature for me was the wide mouth as I can clean it properly. Mine came with a different holder though, sort of a bag, with a shoulder strap and room for accessories, I have been eyeing up that titanium one though, it certainly does look the bomb, and I agree about the lid!
Thank you for watching and I agree it is nice to have the extra room. Where I am here in Texas I know two things about my pack, the weight needs to be bearable and I will carry water in with me. So for me in my area I will trade off the extra carry capacity for lighter weight when it’s full. Thank you for the feedback!
Can't you boil in the titanium one?
Absolutely you can, it’s just hard here when 7-8 months out of the year it’s 75°-100+°F and waiting for water to cool down sucks. Much easier to filter
Excellent vid Bearded Burton. Thank you for a very enlightening great review and add-on explanations. You are tops spot on!
+Aldo More thank you for watching and the kind comments!
There are 32 idiots who don't like quality reviews and videos.
I've wanted the mother carrier and both these canteen kits for a long time. I just got my Pathfinder kit and have the mother carrier on order. Waiting for next check to spring for a new titanium canteen set. Wish it had its own canteen stand stove like the Pathfinder does.
Thank you for the support and leaving a comment! Apparently a person spending their own money they’ve saved on what THEY want is not cool to some of these people lol. You won’t be disappointed with the set!
Great video. An excellent review and comparison, really helpful. Great presentation as well. Thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot for watching
Got both. They each have advantages and disadvantages. I dont use the pathfinder canteen but a plastic nalgene to save weight.
+The Prepared Wanderer I agree for most people they find either are fine, I've just gotten used to the HC. Thanks for watching man
thanks for your input. i have had the pathfinder kit- and yes every once in a while it does leak. i see how that cap can over the long run wear out. As a result of your video i bought the titanium canteen as you say you "cry and buy" and i finally got it -- the weight thing is critical.
I still like my PF canteen but you are right for sure. I always carry my HC kit now, thank you for watching and you’ll love your new kit!
Thank you, nice video. You can tell you put a lot of thought and effort into this. Take care!
really nice review Jon!!! Looks like a new addition to a kit is order...
+Larry Norris thank you for watching
I have the same handle on my military canteen cup, it is from the 1950s.
+Raffaelli I have since been told this 4-5 times now, I apologize. Like I said I only own the PF Canteen and now the Ti one. All of the military canteens I see at my local Surplus store are all butterfly, that's the only experience I have to go by.
Thank you for watching
I got the missus a dandy stainless Wolfgang Puck cookware set...heavy duty bottoms ta boot. The booklet limited the cookware to 400°. (think it was fahrenheit, lol) Titanium in ad of the HC unit says long term uses 1100° F(600°C btw) without stress/distortion.
Many cook stuff with those collapsible/folding stoves that use sicks. I dunno how hot they get, but if the flame goes blue ima guessing it's purty hot.
Nice vid of the li'l Mother pack BB. ima just not liking the cap exposed(no flap). My saddle bags are fiberglass.
I don't what to jump through hoops stuffing it somewhere in transit just so it doesn't wear on stuff/other things..besides being open to debris..in that would use more water to rinse somewhere along the line.
~ lol, the missus is gunna get a case of the red arse when I pull the trigger on a 160.00 water bottle/beans 'n weenie pot. (-:
I liked my Pathfinder canteen set but love my Heavy Cover set. I need to
get me one of those covers for it. Appreciate your thoughts on them.
+William Collins (WC Knives) I'm the same way. One of my favorite pieces of kit now, thanks for watching
The Bearded Burton hey does the stand from the pathfinder edition nest with the titanium canteen? I'm kind of stuck in between these two and can't decide but the stove stand is a huge selling point as it frees up a bit more space..
There are a lot of factors in survival.
One place I discovered that successfully combines these is the Survivor Crusher System
(check it out on google) without a doubt the most useful survival website that I have ever seen.
look at the awesome free video.
great vid, but the vietnam era canteen cup i got from my friend who is a vet from vietnam has the same handle. it has a stamp on it, and if i remember correctly, it said it was manufactured in 1969, in akron ohio.
Thank you for watching, there are a lot of other people who have commented the same thing. I only had experience with canteen sets my local surplus store carried and I have never seen one like that. I made a mistake, sorry.
its alright man, i didnt know on them either, but the pathfinder one is better its not aluminum, and it is straight walled so cleaning is easier and it holds more thanks!
Very good review.
+Elmardx 15 thank you for the kind words and for watching
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+antrax TM yea look into it, it's Heavy Cover canteen! Thanks for watching
$100 for the canteen carrier is insane. i lnow its coated but more than $50 is, to me, a no way. but great review.
+WarGrrl3 thank you for watching, I plan on doing a separate review on the carrier but it is a handmade item with a lifetime guarantee and there is nothing for this Canteen set that is as versatile, right now on the market. It's a buy once cry once item for me. We all have different tastes and preferences which is awesome and should be, I just try to share products I stand by.
The Bearded Burton it's always good to know what's out there
Again thank you for taking the time to leave a comment and being interested enough to scroll through comments of my old videos, means a lot!
If you want to continue researching my channel feel free to go back to my first ever video with anything Heavy Cover and you’ll see I pieced the kit together. I bought the cup and lid first used, much cheaper than new. And almost 2 months later I bought the bottle used, also much cheaper than new. There’s a thing in this awesome country I live in called saving money, hard earned money that I have a free choice to do with what I want. By following this saving principle, I was able to buy things once and that I wanted, not you, and never worry about getting them again.
Look into sometime and let me know if it works for ya buddy!
Thanks again for the views and all the comments!!
Will the pathfinders canteen kit fit into the centerline systems pouch? Have the pathfinders canteen kit and looking to buy the centerline systems pouch.
Thanks for watching! No I believe the Centerline Systems Carrier is too small. Since the Heavy Cover canteen is slimmer and less bulky it’s made to fit it
Really good information.
Thank you
Thanks a lot for watching
great review. you are getting better and better at this. like it a lot. keep them coming. thumbs up a usual.2CG
+2nd Chance George thank you for watching
Very well done.
+Cheezehead Chris thanks man!
Thank you brother
Brazil survivor
+antrax TM thanks for watching man!
Enjoyed your video.
I've owned the pathfinder kit for a few years. Last year the self reliance store came out with a better carrier kit.
However, at the time of this msg, I am waiting on UPS to deliver my full Hard Cover kit with the newest carrier.
Yes, I still like my pathfinder, but I really wanted to get the lighter system.
Awesome! You will enjoy it!
If you wanted to mix and match... Does the stainless stove (your favorite part of the stainless kit) nest over the titanium? Or do the butterfly handles from the titanium cup stop it from nesting?
It might I will have to try it and see, it is bigger in diameter than it though so it could! Thanks for watching
can this fit into a USGI molle ii canteen pouch?
Which one?
So I didn’t read all comments. Great video but the T-handle was the original canteen cup design. Not the butterfly. It changed after Vietnam. FYI the slit in the handle at the bend is design to take the army mess fork or spoon to pick it up if hot.
Yea I’m aware of that and have been told hundreds of times now lol.
Hello, I have the pathfinder canteen kit and am really wanting to pick up the mother canteen carrier but cannot find any information about how well it fits in the mother? Any information or answer to this would be greatly appreciated?! Thanks so much and merry Christmas!
It will not fit the PF canteen to the best of my knowledge. The HC canteen is smaller and slimmer, more along the lines of a normal military canteen where as the PF one is oversized. Thank you for watching!
Does the Pathfinder Canteen Cook Kit fit in the Mother Carrier?
No it is too big
I still want this kit the pathfinder
It’s a good one for sure! Thanks for watching
Good comparison. Think I’ll stick with my uk Mk1 crusader kit. Bin the stove and top/tail two steel mugs around the bottle. Don’t get the leaky NATO bottle version though. Cheers. 🏴
Awesome! I’m all about whatever works for people! Thank you for watching
i love titanium. it is expensive but I believe worth it in the end. nice kit
+Survive Without same for me for sure
Hi, great Review!
Please can you tell your expiriences about cooking in the titanium cup?
I found, that even cooking in a thin walled US stainless Cup, my food sticks very easely and get burned.
For me, works best, a heavy duty thick walled stainless steel pot or cup, that distribute the heat well.
I heared, that titanium direct or distribute the heat not very good, so it´s a bad choise for a cooking container.
Thank you, greetings from Germany, Martin
Thanks for watching! Yes titanium is harder to cook in that thicker steel but it’s just about monitoring your heat better. As long as you don’t use high heat and move the food around you will be fine. But it is much easier to boil in since it heats up faster than stainless steel it just doesn’t hold heat as long so it cools off quicker which is nice for quick outings
@@TheBeardedBurton Thank you for the quick answer. ;-) Hard for me to decide to buy a titanium Canteen. The price is too high. In Germany is it 150 Euro. The Pathfinder Canteen 70 Euro. Take care, and best wishes from Berlin.
that deasign on the canteen cup is standard on south african canteens not a new invention by david
recently ordered a canteen bag, it is a used one which was one I could afford
+Kaylynn Strain nothing wrong with that at all, getting and using what works for you is what is important.
Thank you for watching
Great video. I don't think it is a fair comparison to compare a $3 canteen cover made in china to a $100 special built American made product. Kinda like comparing a Yugo to a Cadillac.
+Russell Ashburn thank you for watching! I was comparing the two most popular canteen models out there right now and their features, not their prices specifically. Both are made overseas and both are US owned companies. Heavy Cover is more expensive because of how expensive Titanium the metal is to mold and shape and treat into things like canteens, knives etc.
I was trying to show that both the Yugo and Cadillac can get you from point A to B all the same is what I mean. I like both a lot and still own both.
The Bearded Burton I was talking about the comparison between the cover and the MCC. The comparison between the canteens was great and spot on. By the way, I think it is awesome that you respond to all of the comments on your videos.
+Russell Ashburn oh my gosh I completely misread that, I apologize. I agree it isn't and I did my best to not compare the two that much and just stick with the sets but it was hard. Just one of those things I guess if you want it you'll find a way but yea it's hard no doubt.
Thank you, I try my best to talk with everyone, sometimes I'm a week late but I always try.
Russell,
Thanks for appreciating the difference between craftsmanship and crap. Reach out via email or cell if you have questions, comments on any of the gear I make. Many thanks to the Bearded Burton for this video, well done and very much appreciate his comments on how/where I can do better. Gratitude, Mark Laine
I’m still using a nalgine oasis until I can get the hd titanium
Nice post Jon! Wish for that kit one day.
Not exactly off-topic, but sort-of... I still see tons of videos, from sources I trust, advocating plastic (nalgene/etc) bottles. I don't get it. What's your take, and do you have a clue why anyone would do so? Yeah, I know, in a pinch, one can boil water in a discarded Pepsi bottle. But what do you see as why anyone would carry anything but a metal bottle?
Countryham, one scenario is where freezing is a consideration. Plastic will give as the water expands to ice. Metal containers can incur damage and develop leaks, particularly at seams. Carrying the container upside down helps as ice forms on the water's surface first, and the bottoms of most containers tend to be stronger, but once the water freezes down to a seam, there is a risk of damage. It does mean you still need a metal cup/pot/container to melt ice or snow or cook in. A plastic Nalgene type bottle can be carefully thawed if frozen, but it's a slow process. If I have unused water at night, I will heat it up, put it in a Nalgene bottle, roll it up in a dry bag for extra security, and stick it in the bottom of my sleeping bag, and it is still liquid in the morning. The plastic is less likely to leak as it cools and contracts, though the difference is negligible if your metal container has a good, tight sealing lid that will compensate. Otherwise, I will dump my containers at night, since ice/snow is not hard to find in Canada during nights when significant freezing is a concern. I will say I have found that no mater the metal, water will cool faster in a single wall metal container than a plastic one, so freezing can start sooner. Beyond that, I guess it's just personal preference and what your go-to method of water processing is, as I don't think either container will screw directly to a pump type water filter for example, where as most will attach to a Nalgene bottle. I recall there was a legal issue between Kleen Canteen and Nalgene about Kleen using the same size opening and thread pitch for exactly that compatibility reason, and Nalgene felt there was an infringement on their design. My stainless Kleen does fit on my pump filters without leaking, so either the case was resolved, or I lucked out with an early one if indeed they have had to change the design, which would be a shame.
I have had metal containers damaged by freezing, usually the bottoms just bulged. I hammered them back flat and learned not to fill them all the way. Thanks!
Good video
+Jeff Buzzard thank you for watching!
Does the pathfinder kit fits in the mother carrier?
No it does not, it is bigger than the Heavy Cover canteen
@@TheBeardedBurtonThanx.. Have to buy the whole kit then.
The Fatboy is a cool piece of gear, had one for a while but I can tell you it’s not lol. Centerline is Handmade in the US by a veteran with way better materials and buckles than Maxpedition. Both are good but one costs more for a reason.
Thanks for watching
Dear sir：
Thank you for sharing this video, It's very good.
The appearance of the two looks very similar, so can their cups be interchanged?
Thanks for watching! No the Titanium is smaller so it’s cup will not fit the stainless steel
@@TheBeardedBurton
Titanium is smaller？
Is it mean I can use stainless steel cup with Titanium canteen？
Great vid buddy
Thank you! Appreciate you watching!
At 2:10 you stated that the pathfinder put the "T" handle on the canteen cup. As a matter of clarification....That style of handle was on the 1st cups made back in 1910 and continued to be on them till 1974. It's called a "L" Handle not a "T" Handle.
Please refer to the 100 other comments previous to this where I explain the same thing to them, I misspoke and was not educated about the 60 year old history of a metal cup. I have one military surplus store near me and over the 6-7 years of me going there I had never seen a Canteen cup with this handle design, so I spoke on what I knew.
I apologize I made a mistake.
Thank you for watching.
@@TheBeardedBurton ...Cheer up , I like to say that if I have not made at lease three mistakes during the day I'm still in bed which would be the 1st mistake of the day.
Looking at the other side of the coin. When you said Pathfinder put the L handle on the canteen. Actually they did on their new canteen cups by not using the butterfly style. Pathfinder reverted back ( chose ) the original 1910 handles for their new canteens
certainly ok, but just very expensive for my taste, I'm perfectly happy with my british MKII canteen-stove set, or my swedish equivalent
+puma thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
I also new this was something I wanted as soon as I saw it but avoided it for a good while because of the popularity and cost. Gonna have to go ahead and order it tho. Talking about the heavy cover.
What's your handle on bcusa? New sub btw
+37South yea it was just a matter of time for me lolC. Thank you for watching and my handle on bcusa is TheBeardedBurton, same as here! Thank you for the sub and kind words
The Bearded Burton I'm "IamLegend" on BCUSA.
Check out my UA-cam channel also. Keep in mind I'm just getting it rolling tho. Got some family stuff mixed in with bushcraft, preparedness and homesteading
+37South awesome will look you up, I'm not on there much since it's been removed from tapatalk but I'll check it out. Thanks!
The Bearded Burton yeah I haven't been on very much myself the last year or so. Hardly recognize the place and definitely not the same members I was used to doing all the posting.
Sorry, but titanium burns everything but water.
It can be tricky, it’s worked for me when I regulate heat and distance I hold the cup/pan
Pathfinder Cup is a Very Old Copy of The GI Cups I Have Four of Them With Canteens From 1944 and I Have Mess Kits and Flat Wear From 1944 - 1989 . PS , The Slot is Used For The knife in Your Flat Wear .
+alan j Hornung Thank you, will look into more
Looking for a heavy cover set
I found all of mine used on Bushcraft USA
Actually I was in the Army from 85-95 and the canteen cups we were issued did have the exact same handle as the one you show here. They went to the butterfly handles Later on.
There’s tons of comments already saying this and me apologizing for not realizing the design features because I was born in 1986 and only have one surplus store near me where it’s the only place I can see military gear and I’ve never seen that design there before
My Keith came with a cover but it’s bs
Ah I haven’t seen the cover that comes with those, sorry!
I think they are done by people that consider walking 50 ft from the car a big adventure. They are fun to play with but not really pragmatic.
That’s the great thing about opinions and wants/needs, we are all able to decide what’s best for each other
I’m buying hc I have nalgine oasis
It is a nice piece of kit, always in my pack! Thanks for watching
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My mustache isn’t the best but I have one now lol
Just buy a military mess kit and canteen cook set. The Pathfinder kit is made from the cheapest, junkiest, lowest priced stainless that money can buy, and the Heavy Cover kit is for yuppies who just don't know any better, and love to pay far, far too much money because something is made of, oooooooo, ahhhhhh, gasp, titanium, which is NOT a good material for cooking. Even aluminum is better than titanium in every possible way except weight, any you pay anywhere from five to fifty dollars per ounce saved. That's just silly.
+James Ritchie thank you for watching and commenting, I will have to disagree with much of what you say but that's fine because that is what healthy conversations are for. That PF kit is made from China SS yes, but it is not junky. In fact it's thicker walled than some other SS I have, it has worked and been abused for years now and is fine. True real world testing disagrees with you there. As far as the HC kit goes, I felt the same until I was able to score it used in pieces and put it together slowly. It is an excellent kit. The grade of Ti they use is non-pourus, food barely sticks to it and the heat exchange is remarkable for boiling water on light hiking trips. It also doesn't leech chemicals like aluminum lol. I appreciate the comment and time but what each of us does with our money is our own business, I never once told someone you have to have this or that just merely shared my experiences as that is all I can do. Cheers!
James Ritchie
I love my trangia titanium pan, in combo with a trangia burner, not hotspot, thats the trick with cooking with titanium.
I mean cooking, not boiling water for a freezedried meal.
If it burns , just soak it for a while and it's clean in no time.
I love my titanium. :))
It only took 29 min. Too tell us that.. way to create revenue
Thank you for watching, nobody forced you to.
skrew pathfinders
Thanks for watching! Is your name Jeff?
I liked my Pathfinder canteen set but love my Heavy Cover set. I need to get me one of those covers for it. Appreciate your thoughts on them.