INNATE ABILITIES - League of Legends VS Dota 2 (Pre-7.36)
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- We've compared roles, items, complexity...
Now, Innate Abilities!
Dota has like... 8 of them? THAT'S ENOUGH SEND IT!
Referenced vids:
• COMPLEXITY COMPARISON ... Hero complexity
• ITEM COMPLEXITY compar... Item complexity
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Something cool, dota heroes have less vision around them during nighttime with the exception of 6 heroes, most notably Night Stalker with the values reverse and Slark retaining his wide vision even at nighttime.
I touch upon that in my "everything you need to know" vid. Hopefully people interested in dota will check it out... hopefully :/
As always, if you are a League player interested in trying out dota 2, I'll coach you for free let's go!
I love your little talking game logo inserts. Gives more personality lmao
Ty! I did that from the very first role comparison video, and love putting it in as a stand-in for the communities
@@TZAR_POTATO I like to see it everytime! You doing good work with those videos, ty for them
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I think it's interesting to view the transition of abilities like Treant Protector's Nature Guise and Alchemist's Greevil's Greed into passives as a tool for balance. These were aspects of the heroes' kits that were considered extremely evocative of their design, but could sometimes run up against issues in terms of how they encouraged you to level and play the hero. Alchemist is a good example of this: Greevil's Greed is a major farm accelerant, and impacts your gold gain even before you've hit your first creep due to bounty runes. Because of this, Alchemist could sometimes run into patches where the optimal choice at start was leveling a passive that granted you 0 presence in an early engagement until your next level. That's a lame experience for both the Alchemist and his team. Plus, despite how strong Alchemists other spells could sometimes be, you always had to evaluate them in comparison to another level of Greed for efficiency. Alchemist's older design either encouraged investing in a passive that could be summed up as "more gold" over any of his more engaging features, OR not prioritizing Greed in situations where it was nerfed (or just not playing Alch if it Greed was too weak). By moving the skill to an innate, it takes the burden of balancing the skill around levels away while still allowing the ability to help establish character identity.
it's called "greevil's greed" of course there should be an option to be greedy and take it at lvl1. there's no risk and reward if it's innate
While I'm fine with Valve experimenting, I would argue that sometimes having things as passives is not as bad as you think. I think having the choice of being greedy and having 0 lane presence is fun. Think about it this way, the presence of an Alchemist in a game changes how both teams view bounty runes to the point that both teams may heavily prioritize fighting over them. That's a fun dynamic.
I think having a choice on where to dump my skillpoints and seeing how my choices ultimately affect my gameplay is fun (i.e. seeing how much faster I farm items by actively making a choice to put points into Greevil's Greed while also being crap at fighting because I have 0 points in stun).
But it is also very inhererent for the lore of the duo and their MONEY playstyle that heavely sets them apart (I know arc warden but I feel they are distinctr enough farming phylosophies)
I feel like passives in League are usually a good way of balancing the power budget of a champion, often behind certain requirements.
Look at Annie vs Warlock for example: Annie has a passive that gives her a stun on any ability after casting 4. Warlock straight up stuns upon casting his ult. Annie is much more flexible and has more potential stun uptime, but the flipside is that she will end up in some situations where casting a spell would be detrimental as it would take away her stun for a while. I think this is a good example, and makes her gameplay more interesting.
Other passives, like Ekko's for example, help balance a kit towards a specific playstyle without overloading any single ability (giving too much damage to his Q would give him too much AoE, and giving too much damage to his E would remove any, already barely present, counterplay).
There are also just token passives, but in general I think that they work well for their intended purpose.
At the end of the day this makes League a much more straightforward game, where the gameplay loop is baked into a champion's kit instead of emerging from more situational properties of their abilities. Whether this is good or not is up for debate.
That's why I have Dota saying "My hero power is beyond you" AND I totally agree! Dota doesn't have much in innates, because the strength is given to the base kit directly. You're 100% on it!
@@TZAR_POTATO Yes, and I think it's fascinating how these two philosophies ended up shaping two fairly different games. As you pointed out Dota also has more direct and impactful items to balance this power, while League constantly tries to tone down how much items can impact the core gameplay. I feel like it's a bit of a shame, really: having League's snappy and fluid gameplay combined with Dota's strategical decisionmaking would make a truly terrific game in my opinion.
@@OrtiJohn that's why if you want a direct and simple game, play lol.
Play lol if you love easy going and play dota if u want hardcore. Dats it
Lol inate passive in dota seems like a quirky gift to a your kid in Christmas
haha indeed!
Once I played 120min+ game using silencer. I steal a lot of int from enemy Sven, he can only cast either God Strength or stun, not both at full mana.
The most funny thing ever
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Thank you for being a fan!
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Wow I've been playing Pangolier as my main since his release and I just found out he doesn't need to turn in order to activate his skills, its kinda obvious for shiled Crash and Rolling thunder since those doesnt need to select a point in the map to activate but for Swashbuckle its a great pice if information, It makes it a great escape tool against batrider
How do you of all people not know this??! Also, works for attacking, moving, and using items.
@@TZAR_POTATO I always thought that it was abilities' properties, not hero's. It may be hard to differenciate because Pangolier doesn't use that much of targeting items so the only thing that could be casted on point/target that he ending up with is a Shvaklebakle
@@VasiliyOgniov у него время поворота 0, единственный герой из доты с таким временем поворота
из-за этого, например, напалм батрайдера не замедляет его поворот, в отличие от например сфа, который и так не очень быстро крутится
dota player only know Io is the one didnt have turn rate yet he did have now@@TZAR_POTATO
@@TZAR_POTATOI always though you need to be facing the direction for blink dagger unless I’m remembering wrong. I swear this has caused pro puck players to die trying to blink out of phase shift behind the way they are facing.
some talents from level 20 or 25 are quite the game changer like level 20 talent of crystal maid for farm purposes or the talent 25 or faceless void(having 20% change of nullifying the dmg)
btw are you making a tank comparison soon??
I was planning on one, yes! But first, I want to make the "bullshit of dota" video. I might do like ... one of these in depth comparisons, then one fun, then in depth, then fun. What do you think?
As for WHICH tank, I was thinking darius and axe, or something similar.
@@TZAR_POTATO that is a great. Alternating the 2 do have a nice look into it some fun videos and some serious character comparison.
You seem to not know the origins of the innate passive design. Way back in the day, the standard Dota hero design was 3 actives and 1 passive (yes there were a lot of exceptions). From the Lol dev perspective, leveling up passives doesn't feel impactful, and they wanted players to push more buttons. Their solution was to give every hero a passive and made all level-able abilities active, sometimes with passive components. Dota now giving more innates are for making more exceptions in hero designs(Ogre int), bringing core abilities at lvl 1 (reworked Medusa, Invoker), or giving heroes a 5th ability (reworked Alchemist, Treant, Techies, Monkey King).
cool!
Yet LoL still does have passives that you level up, teemo E and the like.
Also for a good few LoL heroes the passive feels tacked on and/or part of some other ability, Again Teemo passive seems like it wants to be a part of W and Nasus passive wants to be a part of his W.
8:17 "but they often give you a midgame flexibility that for the strategic mind can be very rewarding in terms of tactical expression"
That sums up my dota experience, I like having to choose my own decision and have more flexibility ingame rather than a straight line of identical build and playstyle. Talents are simple yet crucial for your playstyle, while itemization is fluid depending on what your game needs.
I always strive for that one moment in dota where every seconds of teamfight matters and one single decision could lead to a victory or defeat. Everything you decide so far will be tested on teamfight whether you make the right decision or not. Of course it's very punishing for small mistakes like missclicking talents or buying one more offensive item istead of defensive. But that's what I like about dota, you can try many things and when it succeed it's very rewarding
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have you done something on passive/auto cast vs active abilities yet? I only play dota but from the few times I checked LoL it seems like dota does way more with passive abilities to the point of hereos like wraith king who only press one button
League has a lot more actives, and many of their passives are like how Blur works: passive component with active ability. I think there's nothing really impactful that I can talk about for the two games... it's a lot of the same in terms of power, except for cc vs movement and damage, and i've talked about that a lot in my roles comparisons,
Thanks for the feedback though!
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Pretty cool video!
Thank you!
LoL summoner spells are quality of life feature based on DOTA 1 shortcomings I think:
Lol Teleport is DOTA teleport scroll replacement, since for a while the scroll was taking up an inventory slot
Heal replaces Mekansm
Flash replaces blink dagger, which gives no stats (until they added upgrades)
Ghost is Phase Boots
Burn is Urn of Shadows
Cleanse is BKB/Manta
Smite is Culling Blade
Not sure about the rest, but these are dota item actives put in a separate two slots methinks.
Didn't really understand the Innate Passive thing in LoL since I haven't played it, but I guess it is a "passive" that is really needed for a champion to work or to do it's role some sort of thing? I know the fact that innate passives in Dota are just there because...Why Not? really doesn't change the Hero if removed or reworked(Except Earth spirit).
Sorry about that. Not all league innates are mandatory, but a lot are for the kit to work as intended.
To simplify this, just say Innate Passive in LoL is a way to "execute champion/hero themes". For example, in DOTA, Wraith King theme is about undead, with his ultimate is resurrect. In LoL, Sion theme is also "kind of" undead, resurrected by hemomancy aka blood magic, which "resurrection" placed in his Innate Passive, that he has from lv1, with no skill point needed.
Down side is that hemomancy don't "resurrect", it use blood as fuel to "reanimated" subject, so your HP bar dropped constantly after "reanimated", to balance out what seem like an ultimate in DOTA, to become a passive in League.
Kinda depend for any champ like aatrox just has a boosted aa sometimes (which is nice in lane and can be clutch but you see), wukong just has bonus armor and health regen in fight (cool but heh) on the other hand you have champ like Darius, morde, irelia who are entirely dependant on their passive to function
I think the way league design their abilities makes them really hard if not impossible to create full ability draft mode.
Sadly :(
I am enjoyer of both games but my first MOBA that I really played with obsessiveness was Heroes of the Storm. When the game died I move to Dota and LoL. So my question is if you are familiar with HotS do you think that hero like Abathur could exist in Dota or LoL ?
I'm not familiar, sorry.
Lifestealer combo, with ult, and every aura item, like rad, vlad, drum, assault, hood etc...
arcane symbiosis spell in the custom mode DOTA: LOD Redux is basically Abathur's parasite ability. It's wonderful, tbh... though not available in the base game.
Abathur reminds me of Natures Prophet. Summon Treants send them down lane. Use teleport to be everywhere on map. Plus cc with sprout and a global ulti.
Abathur is a very unique idea exclusive to HOTS. I do think there are heroes in DOTA 2 that sit at base and let their summoned units do the work like Nature Prophet, Arc Warden and Lone Druid. However, you still need to engage in farming and combat from early to mid-game to get some power for yourself and summoned units. For Nature Prophet, you have to teleport to anywhere on the map to turn trees into minions of yours then command them from your safe distance. For Arc Warden, he creates a copy of himself, and that copy can teleport with suitable items and engage in fight/push lane without consequences. Though you have to do fast because the copy lasts for 10 or so seconds. For Lone Druid, you actually need to be close to your bear to command it so you still have that risk of being exposed to enemy. All in all, these 3 are the closest I can think of. As I said, Abathur is a very interesting and unorthodox design. It will create outcry if he actually exists in LoL or DOTA 2.
Rule of cool beats everything in game design imo.
Just a personal opinion, but while LoL has overall simpler and shorter game which is a plus for most people and especially newbie, that end up being the turn off for me.
The game too simple that flexibility end up too little. Flexibility ramps up the complexity but it also increase replayability as mentioned in the video. You don't get stuck with specific role or playstyle on specific heroes, which can sometimes act as surprise factor and entertainment.
The short game length change the enjoyment from "playing the game" to "winning the game". Obviously people want to win but it now feels like you can only enjoy the game by winning. I don't care if I'm on 50 win streak if 60% of the game have similar gameplay and playstyle. To make it worse, the way LoL is design to focus on skillshots and dodging with scaling abilities end up turning it into "one shot" fest. The game almost always about one shotting your enemy before they do you. One shot is bad because there's no fight and since you only control 1 hero, if you die, that's it. You're out of the game until you respawn. Imagine playing street fighter and whoever get hit by super special or whoever fail to dodge/block a hit get instant K.O.
In Dota, you can literally get stunned for 15sec straight but on the other hand, it adds to counter play. Unless you have bad teammate or you're the bait, your team will surely come to help and potentially turn the war around. Dead with 90sec timer? In Dota, Check the game situation first. At times you may need to be ready to buyback whether to def or to rejoin the war to end the game. In LoL, uhh..guess just wait for those 90 sec I guess.
Steak and Eggs intro goes hard
Wrong video
Innate ability is not the way DotA present a hero, they go for it for simpler mechanic and balancing, but as you mentioned, innate ability usually a past skill that's getting into a new slot because they run out of option
But, they have other way to make every hero unique, that's talent tree. If you play ability draft and not getting the skill, well, sorry, you won't get the unique buff for that hero.
And more of that, I think the vision advantage of a hero is something that quite overlooked, like the ability to detect a ward using passive ultimate of slark
Or like what happened with slardar, he got ms and regen buff for being in a river, that should be a separate innate ability but, well just put it in as a passive ability of his sprint!
actually wanna see you compare ultimate abilities.
That doesn't really make sense for a lengthy comparison. I mean...
"The ult ability, you get it at level 6, it's usually your strongest spell, with the highest cooldown. "
Done? If you suggest what I can do for further analysis, maybe I can make it into a video. But for now... I'm a bit lost/I am not smart enough to expand this further sorry!
@@TZAR_POTATO makes sense
6:40 im gonna go ahead and say its kinda important that void isnt stunned by chrono as well ^^ also: your mic is maxing out on s vowels, you may want to look into that and reduce it, would make your videos much nicer to watch.
I wonder, what if Break (disables passive ability) status effect existed in LoL?
It would ruin the game :(
You know monkey king mischief has 0.5 sec invulnerability right?with perfect timing its one of very op inate skill out there
This comes from state change, not the ability itself as far as I remember, Lone Druid/Alchemist ults can also .
Do like the LoL design of Kayn? He has the equivalent of a talent decision in his red form vs blue form choice.
Yea I like him, but only when both sides are viable. I watched some pro games and it seemed that ONLY the red side was EVER used, which sort of negates the whole idea.
Khasix is also in the same boat. What's the point of having a choice in what to evolve, if you always evolve the exact same things in the same order?
@@TZAR_POTATO proplay league and soloq league are two different games. Blue kayn is very fun to play in soloq and can often solo carry games with his insane mobility and oneshot potential. But in proplay, champions like assasins are way harder to pull off because how coordinated the teams are, also proplayers always choose the best options that there are in any current patch. In soloq you can really play anything that is not straight up trolling. But yeah, the game has very clear boundaries, and because the boundaries and the base meta is very clear, players have minmaxed it to shit to the point some champions will just get outperformed by a very tiny margin which snowballs into huge gaps in gold/xp/pressure.
Icefrog took this video personally
Dude he HATES me wtf
Wouldn't it be cool if the lightning guys in dota would become more powerful if they came in contact with the river?
Does monkey king's mischief does not give anymore of that 0.5 damage immunity?
It dooes, but it's 0.2 I think.
you forgot bane having a LOT more nightvision as an innate ability not everyone knows.
That's not an innate ability, that's hero stats. It's like saying how earth spirit has a lot of strength gain is an innate ability...
Also slark night vision
frankly a bit wild to see someone call life stealer's well lifesteal, bullshit and not consistent, because it almost by definition is, just in a different form, since he steals a % of the opponents HP as life, one of hte major design philosophies that dota has is the pre match counter pick, to my understanding there is no such mechanic in league, that makes fairly situational heros shine. with how medusa is now, its pretty consistent that lifestealer will never really get much out of hitting a medusa because medusa has the least actual HP in the game, and as such you would never really want ot draft into a medusa as a lifestealer, and thats by design
Innate abilities in dota are added because of the heroes lore
Welp, this video is now completely and utterly outdated.
HAHA I KNOW
I highly doubt Dota is going to give every hero, or even a majority of heroes, innate skills. Innate skills only felt like they've been there to add something to the hero or open their kit up. Or because of game changes. For example, the reason Invoker's ult became innate was because talents were added in 7.00, and since his ult used to have 4 levels, if it wasnt innate, he would reach max level without all of his talents and skills maxed out. That was out of necessity.
The recent changes with Alchemist and Ogre are for better skill level ability and flavor respectively. But even the innate for Ogre causes him to want to build items differently to take advantage of the innate.
I dont think you should worry about too many innate skills in Dota. Literally no hero has gotten an innate skill where I can say "this would've been better as a regular skill you had to level up, or incorporated in other skills".
well welll well
Esti roman asai?
Innate abilities in League is the one thing I preferred over dota. I played Lux and Jinx tho, who probably have two of the best innate abilities in league. When lux damages enemies with spells she marks them, and deals a burst of damage when she attacks them. Jinx essentially snorts a bunch of cocaine every time she gets a kill. Both have very unique game-play, and while they could just be regular passives, the fact that they are inherent and don't have to be leveled ties them much closed to the core mechanics of the hero.
My problem with stuff like that is that it brute forces you into a narrow playstyle. My favourite recent build in dota were caster, support medusa, and support Pa before that. It is much harder to have an identity defining innate without forcing you into your specific playstyle role.
@@riveteye93 I completely agree, and that's one of the reasons I play dota. There is something weird going on with league itemization, the passives themselves aren't necessarily damning. For example, if Jinx was in dota you could play her multiple different ways as a carry, support disabler (using the rockets for aoe harass, and movement speed from kills to shut down enemies, probably building mech + rod or some other disable) or mid and use the ult to gank side lanes, using the move speed off early kills to rotate lanes.
In dota you have a lot more build options, but I think it has to do more with items and stats than the actual abilities.
umm... for some reasons the only resolutions options i can chose is 144p.
anyone else's?
ah nvm.. it's 720p only.
coffee i need coffee
hd is taking a loooong time to finish processing
What I hate about league's passive is theres almost a minigame attached to the champion as a mechanic. I just want to play a Moba.
But, that's the allure that league players like though. The minigames, that's what people say they like most.
@@TZAR_POTATO Think of it this way, I want to play chess. I dont want my bishop to go through conditional bullshit to capture a piece unless the bishop pins my king.
Depends on the champion of course
Smite's gods also have innate passives.
skarner is the perfect example of this as much as i love him the passive is too much to be fun
Dota 2 is way more complicated than league. About 4-5 years ago I installed Dota 2 and I'm playing league of legends since then.
I believe dota trying to go that direction with the new addition to medu, ogre, and alche
Scary to think so....
Guess we will see.
@@TZAR_POTATO what about rumor dota will go 6v6? What you thought about that?
@@proudtobeadisliker9374 I am not the type of person to chase rumors. If it happens, I might make a vid on it.
@@TZAR_POTATO its just bcoz the map getting bigger, we have so many jungle camp and some weird sh1t in dire jungle (door in the wall) and radiant jungle (a well lmao). So the rumor its just maybe they will add jungle role. Its just rumor tho yeah you right.
@@proudtobeadisliker9374that would be too much going on the map lmao
Talent tree was one of the best thing that happen in dota
the best thing that happened was in fact removing the exp and gold talents
Dude you forgot the dota heroes talent tree that's is more innate
Couple of heroes also got inate night vision
That's a basic stat, not a passive ability. That's like saying base armor or move speed is an innate ability....
@@TZAR_POTATO Hmm..but stats are changeable those inherent abilty or as you say stats are unchanging.
@@Delacrow_l_Chawngthu Stats can be changed, yeah. Vision range can be changed.
@@TZAR_POTATO How? A lucky neutral drop? Or is there an item I don't know.
Bushwhack, but in the past both desolate and Darkness worked as well. Also, some talents give vision, and so do a couple items such as vampire fangs and moon shard.@@Delacrow_l_Chawngthu
io also ignores turn animations!
Nope, he has a turn speed. Check it ingame!
Bro forgot my boy treant,gues he didnt see him,and he also slept on bane (sorry for the bad puns but yeah)
What, how, he's in there! As for bane, you mean that he doesn't wake up targets? I haven't tested this fully, but I thought it was that the caster of the ability doesn't wake people up, and not that it's bane specific. If rubick uses nightmare, does he wake targets he attacks?
8 Innates? XD
Yeah that's not the case anymore
Where's bane?
He's in there for a second.
Hey lets give each hero ONE qunique ability! So most will be the same? Y E S ! "How fun"
That's like... Not lol
Rubick and x0% cast point btw
Correction, 0.15 seconds cast time.
😂😂😂😂 monkey 1:52
:D
Ability Draft is impossible in LoL
Really? Aww
@@TZAR_POTATO ye pity
hey dota can denied teammate tower & creep.
yup
most of the viewer is dotaer
Im a dota 2 player but me myself don't like the.. I dont know wht to call.. balance?, meta? or anything that we call it. But I just dont like it that much
I had a look through some of the passives that felt like 'ability add ons' and tried to justify all of them
Morgana, Karma - To reduce redundancy in text.
Nami, Taric, Riven - To reduce redundancy in text, plus these are really strong effects that have enough power budget to be on a passive.
Milio - There's 2 different kinds of level scaling and rito no likey that on abilities (except gangplank who has level scaling on barrels and akali who has MINUTES SCALING????? on shroud)
Jayce - I have a feeling that riot originally planned to keep it flexible for champion level scaling if Jayce ever needed adjusting. Jayce is also consistent enough to not need a real passive tbh
I like how 5 of them include "redundancy of text"
But, I'd also point out a few more whose job seems to be just to track the number of times abilities got used, such as annie, elise, and asol, oh and I think Akali's should be in the reduncency of text category, too since it is triggered after running from enemies you hit with abilities.
All that being said, These sort of passives are JUSTIFIED... but as I mentioned in the vid, it FEELS like they should just be part of the abilities that trigger them since they don't do anything at all on their own.
Eh, in the end, league has 160-some champs, not all of them need to be made with fun innates. As long as the game's good, who cares right?
@@TZAR_POTATO lol i completely missed elise, there's absolutely no justification for that one other than to curb her power level
I think with passives like annie akali brand etc, it doesn't feel like they should be part of the champs basic abilities, since they are tracking a separate minigame and not just a flat bonus (like nami taric riven milio etc).
The biggest offender would be karma, since her passive only applies to 2 abilities (realistically its just q, rito pls move it there and give karma a new passive thx) while the rest mentioned apply to all 4 abilities (or 3 for morg)
@@touyakami1406 thoughts on evelynn? she doesnt even get invis untiln6... so basically her ult
@@TZAR_POTATO I feel about the same as Kayle. While it's technically linked to the ult level, its not something thats actually related to the ult. It's an innate passive (HP regen out of combat) that gets upgraded at X level
@@TZAR_POTATOEvelyns passive also is important for her E dmg buff so it also interacts with abilities besides her ult
Io has no turn rate
yeah he does, or did last I tested him. He had no turn rate for a while, but they removed that change. Try moving back and forth and see the stutter.
@@TZAR_POTATO just looked it up. In 7.28 Io now has 0.7 turn rate
@@GearDiego23 That's years ago man :D
Milo lol
cherry-picking lol skins for the views i see
HA! Too obvious?
@@TZAR_POTATO rito nerf the waifs animation and figures ingame and splash arts
Like wtf that's one of the reason I played lol
For waifus
bro dont know bout runes💀
Missing the Io that has no rotation time, behaves like champions of LOL
.. he has rotation time. Check it. All heroes have rotation time, but pangolier ignores his rotation for any actions, and phase boots active can reduce it. So, I would accept if you say pango doesn't have rotation time because in most scenarios he doesn't care about his facing direction... except for shield crash and force staff.
Io may have a rotation time, but that's merely so that abilities that affect rotation time/the direction you're facing work (things like backstab, force staff, stone gaze and sticky napalm). Other than those cases the turn rate IO has is completely ignored, as IO can perform actions such as moving and casting abilities while turning. For example if IO is attacking medusa and she uses stone gaze, he can start moving away from the medusa immediately, but it still takes time for him to face away from medusa since the model is technically rotating as he moves. Whereas all other heroes have to rotate and then move. @@TZAR_POTATO
With your videos I see that Dota promotes more variety in itemisation, the "talent tree", etc. However I think that lol promotes as much variety as possible within a nice, overall, balance of all the different game components. We know what happens when, for instance, assassins can go bruisers-tanks, that was disgusting to play against.
The problem there in League is that the game is designed around being predictable, but that means there aren't easy ways to counter off meta strats. In dota, everything is designed around both being a counter, and being countered, by something else in the item shop or in hero drafting.
Nah, champion in League buy strange items because the items is just that good, not because of Riot promoting diversity, if anything, they kill it as much as possible. ADC most of the time have the exact same item path (Only a few can goes Lethality, but thats more on the champ themselves). Pure tank can't really goes bruiser, Bruiser can, but often deadweight if they goes tank (Although tank items are often overtune as all shit, so they can build them and still do a bunch of damage). Assassin can only goes Lethality etc. The thing about dota is that the majority of the rosters can goes on multiple role, whatever you want, a carry can be a support, a support can potentially be a carry, thus, diversify the item build.
@@lamtran2328 That's what I mean though.
As an example for dota, yesterday in a pro dota game i watched the adc buy an equivalent to zhonyas just to counter enemy mobility. It gives no adc stats, eats an item slot, and it won them the game.
In league you'd get reported...
@@TZAR_POTATO This. Prior to the change for BKB, I always tell my tanks and carries to freaking buy BKB against the team who have heavy disables. Rarely, I get one of them to prioritize BKB and that helped us win the game.
@@TZAR_POTATO bro dont know about runes💀