Second cutting has a much higher leaf/flower to stem ratio than first cutting (which is why it's softer). since most of the nutritive value is IN the leaves and flowers, it's more nutrient dense. So, yes, 2nd cut has more nutritional value than first cut in general. Coming from a dairy background, most either make haylage out of the first cut, use it to feed replacements, or just use it for filler. 2nd and 3rd cut are the mainstay for the milking herd. Where I worked, they only fed baled first cut to the lactating herd if they absolutely had to- because you had to make up the nutritional difference someplace else- ie more suppliments or pricier feeds. Sometimes you come up short in the late spring, and have to use whatever you have or can get- which is usually first cutting. It's still valuable for roughage- ruminants need tons of it- heck, it's not uncommon to see STRAW get added to TMR's just to add fiber and roughage. (too little will make them very sick)
I have taken notes from your operation I enjoy how you handle your situation. I only have people come pick up and load for the price . I normally help load just because I want proper control on numbers balef
Ive just started doing hay in the neighbors field and I find your videos quite helpful. When I was little I helped my Grandad with about 4-5 acres of hay and we just put it up loose. One years he had a friend come bale it for us. He never put any fertilizer on the fields that I can remember. What do you think about liquified manure for fertilizer? Would like to learn more about making better hay.
We start at $4 for first and $5 for second and just back our way down a bit throughout the winter. Luckily we have a ton of repeat customers so almost all our hay is sold before its put in the barn. We deliver probably 75% of our hay though, but we can make a profit doing it and I enjoy seeing our beginner farmers grow! Farming definitely isnt a job. It's a lifestyle. Great videos by the way!
I try to cut my second cut when the hay is 15 inches high. I call it boot cut(boot length) and my horse customers really like it. Nutrients are best for early and often mowing and it helps on weed control if you do not like using herbicides!
PA Farms - Yeah. I agree. I’ve found good luck in making silage bales the first week in June in our bigger fields so the second cut is ready middle July. Third cut is probably based off weather in middle September. Love the educational content. Keep up the good work sir!
i might as well say what i get for mine, 1st cut $3 to $3.50 2nd $4 mostly sometimes $5 for really good hay. i try to make 45 pound bales a little lighter than some people
PA Farms good buddy. I do about the same with my hay. I like them to pick it up. I’ve never seen a hay auction in my area here in South Carolina. I just got a 5140 Case IH. It should take some work load off my 574. Have a good weekend
@@GerraldFarms Good day fellows. But you know if there is a bit of shortage, you might get a little bit better price. I seen one video from Moto -cross it brought $9.00/ bale, which is crazy. Thanks
2nd cut Hay is usually less Stem, Softer, and more Protein and your rite bales are heavier. We were getting as high as 8 bucks a bale for second cut this year. We had a bad year in 2019 with all the rain and quantities were limited. Hope your still going to grow and Bale this year, great extra income if you have established customers. 👍
Sold 2017 first cut- $1.50 per bale. 2018 first cut $4.00, off wagon. All hay should be sold by weight, small 50 lb square- $5.00, 1000 lb round-$100. Don't like it, bale your own!!!
@@DougFrantz horse person here. I sell my first or feed it to cattle. Second I feed to the horses because they eat all of it and I don't have clean it up and throw it away. If I was buying it I'm better off buying the best and not having waste. It also matters what breed of horses. Thoroughbreds need calories and good quality to maintain weight. Others not so much.
@@danw6014 I only produce mulch hay at this point... because the place I cut has too many weeds and the land owner doesn't want any chem... so slowly trying to get rid of bad stuff, but for now it's best used for mushrooms. But I've done some small squares for some friends and they actually like having some "waste" for the horses to pick through. They figure it gives the horses something to do. Obviously you have to watch for toxins... but otherwise I understand the logic either way... I often hear of horse folks wanting to pay lower pricing but still demand the best... which makes making the best seem like wasted efforts.. but that's just the reputation and stereotype out there. Eventually I'd like to make good hay, and part of why I sell my stuff as mulch or cheap to friends is to avoid having a bad reputation.
@@DougFrantz one option would be to plant rye in the fall. You might have a market for it at the mushroom barn and it provides excellent weed control. The organic farmers use it. Then replant the hay seeding with the population of alfalfa and grasses that would sell best. I like Timothy hay as it is not so course even if it gets to mature. You could also try no till seeding grass in. Sometimes that can overwhelm the stuff you don't want.
@@danw6014 Yeah I've considered that. I want to avoid tilling as much as I can but I want to start section by section and improve the hay quality. Got a flame weeder this spring and I'll be spot checking the worst stuff before it goes to seed. Going to do a few strips of buckwheat for the bees and switch to rye. Rodale does some neat stuff with no till organic but I don't have the money at the moment for a no till drill. My full time job is not farming, right now I'm just trying to learn and make mistakes!
The goats will be fine dining tonight! Thanks for the video. I hope all goes well for you this season. I'll be following along as you post videos.
Thanks
Second cutting has a much higher leaf/flower to stem ratio than first cutting (which is why it's softer). since most of the nutritive value is IN the leaves and flowers, it's more nutrient dense. So, yes, 2nd cut has more nutritional value than first cut in general. Coming from a dairy background, most either make haylage out of the first cut, use it to feed replacements, or just use it for filler. 2nd and 3rd cut are the mainstay for the milking herd. Where I worked, they only fed baled first cut to the lactating herd if they absolutely had to- because you had to make up the nutritional difference someplace else- ie more suppliments or pricier feeds. Sometimes you come up short in the late spring, and have to use whatever you have or can get- which is usually first cutting. It's still valuable for roughage- ruminants need tons of it- heck, it's not uncommon to see STRAW get added to TMR's just to add fiber and roughage. (too little will make them very sick)
Second cut is big here too. Good to hear from you again.
Welcome to the 10k club! Congratulations 💥
I have taken notes from your operation I enjoy how you handle your situation. I only have people come pick up and load for the price . I normally help load just because I want proper control on numbers balef
Nice to hear from you glad hay sale is going well 👍
Ive just started doing hay in the neighbors field and I find your videos quite helpful. When I was little I helped my Grandad with about 4-5 acres of hay and we just put it up loose. One years he had a friend come bale it for us. He never put any fertilizer on the fields that I can remember. What do you think about liquified manure for fertilizer? Would like to learn more about making better hay.
We start at $4 for first and $5 for second and just back our way down a bit throughout the winter. Luckily we have a ton of repeat customers so almost all our hay is sold before its put in the barn. We deliver probably 75% of our hay though, but we can make a profit doing it and I enjoy seeing our beginner farmers grow! Farming definitely isnt a job. It's a lifestyle. Great videos by the way!
I try to cut my second cut when the hay is 15 inches high. I call it boot cut(boot length) and my horse customers really like it. Nutrients are best for early and often mowing and it helps on weed control if you do not like using herbicides!
Weather is usually the issue with trying to cut early. It’s not until about June 1st that we have warm enough heat and the spring rains are over
PA Farms - Yeah. I agree. I’ve found good luck in making silage bales the first week in June in our bigger fields so the second cut is ready middle July. Third cut is probably based off weather in middle September. Love the educational content. Keep up the good work sir!
New hay season will be here soon!
Yea probably June 1 for me anyway. If it doesn’t rain every day!
Good content.
👍👍
Soil test and fertilize accordantly will increase yield and quality.
Do you lease or own your land?
i might as well say what i get for mine, 1st cut $3 to $3.50 2nd $4 mostly sometimes $5 for really good hay. i try to make 45 pound bales a little lighter than some people
That’s about what I have and get per bale
great video hay and straw prices in Scotland has fell of a cliff
Always good to hear from Scotland
@@donmacdonald7758 Absolutely.
@@donmacdonald7758cheers
@@garyreid7865 Good Day
Hey where's the price you going on about
Good video
Thanks
Whats the weight of the bales?
50lbs would be the average. Some may be heavier some maybe lighter especially the ones baled on hard hills. Can’t put it through as nice on hills
@@PAFarms Thank you
"Works for me" is all ya need!
Do sale it by the bale?
Yea by the bale at the barn.
First now I’m watching. Lol
Hey how’s it going?
PA Farms good buddy. I do about the same with my hay. I like them to pick it up. I’ve never seen a hay auction in my area here in South Carolina. I just got a 5140 Case IH. It should take some work load off my 574. Have a good weekend
@@GerraldFarms Good day fellows. But you know if there is a bit of shortage, you might get a little bit better price. I seen one video from Moto -cross it brought $9.00/ bale, which is crazy. Thanks
2nd cut Hay is usually less Stem, Softer, and more Protein and your rite bales are heavier. We were getting as high as 8 bucks a bale for second cut this year. We had a bad year in 2019 with all the rain and quantities were limited. Hope your still going to grow and Bale this year, great extra income if you have established customers. 👍
Yea I still have some acreage to bale this year.
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Hello, thanks for watching! 👍🏻
Sold 2017 first cut- $1.50 per bale. 2018 first cut $4.00, off wagon. All hay should be sold by weight, small 50 lb square- $5.00, 1000 lb round-$100. Don't like it, bale your own!!!
Yea selling by weight would be the best. I have to unload all the hay myself so I try to make them big enough so I don’t have to handle so many
great video l make from terry schnell
At least doing hay ,you have money left over to live on,not like grain farming ,just brake even if things go good..hay is more work..
.....horse people......
Way pickier than horses!
@@DougFrantz horse person here. I sell my first or feed it to cattle. Second I feed to the horses because they eat all of it and I don't have clean it up and throw it away. If I was buying it I'm better off buying the best and not having waste. It also matters what breed of horses. Thoroughbreds need calories and good quality to maintain weight. Others not so much.
@@danw6014 I only produce mulch hay at this point... because the place I cut has too many weeds and the land owner doesn't want any chem... so slowly trying to get rid of bad stuff, but for now it's best used for mushrooms. But I've done some small squares for some friends and they actually like having some "waste" for the horses to pick through. They figure it gives the horses something to do. Obviously you have to watch for toxins... but otherwise I understand the logic either way... I often hear of horse folks wanting to pay lower pricing but still demand the best... which makes making the best seem like wasted efforts.. but that's just the reputation and stereotype out there. Eventually I'd like to make good hay, and part of why I sell my stuff as mulch or cheap to friends is to avoid having a bad reputation.
@@DougFrantz one option would be to plant rye in the fall. You might have a market for it at the mushroom barn and it provides excellent weed control. The organic farmers use it. Then replant the hay seeding with the population of alfalfa and grasses that would sell best. I like Timothy hay as it is not so course even if it gets to mature. You could also try no till seeding grass in. Sometimes that can overwhelm the stuff you don't want.
@@danw6014 Yeah I've considered that. I want to avoid tilling as much as I can but I want to start section by section and improve the hay quality. Got a flame weeder this spring and I'll be spot checking the worst stuff before it goes to seed. Going to do a few strips of buckwheat for the bees and switch to rye. Rodale does some neat stuff with no till organic but I don't have the money at the moment for a no till drill. My full time job is not farming, right now I'm just trying to learn and make mistakes!