Keep Calm If Your REAR TIRE Is Skidding
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Keep in mind, because I know people's fingers are going to get sore pointing out what I missed and all these other variables, etc. I got it...this is basic. What if you're in the middle of a turn and lock the rear? Hope you're wearing full, quality gear because you're probably going to highside yourself and get hurt pretty badly. What if you're in the dirt? In a straight line? Keep it locked up because if you have knobby tires, they will probably dig into the dirt more and more providing good stopping power...on the cement, the rear brake isn't powerful at all and when you're sliding across the pavement...it's not helping much at all. In a turn, that depends on how much lean angle and speed....because you may want to do a brake slide into another turn...who knows. There's always "what ifs" you can say, HOWEVER what I wish everyone will do is go to a dead end road or parking lot and practice locking up the rear tire to see what if FEELS like and how to manage it. If your bike has ABS, ok, go stomp on the rear to feel what that feels like too. If you don't do any trial and error and experiment, your understanding will always be limited. Because of this, I can't type a response and give someone experience...you have to go out on the bike and try things out. I also turn off my ABS like I did in this video and practice locking up the front tire too...to learn how to manage that. This is the biggest difference I see with what I do and everyone else...too many are unwilling to go and attempt these things and practice and only rely on what's written in a book or what someone else said or what was taught in theory but not in practice. You will never gain a deep understanding to anything on the bike without putting in the time to experience these things for yourself on the bike. Not just once, but over and over again, changing one variable at a time and repeating the process. Sorry for such a long statement but hopefully this will help filter out the bs and if you're too lazy to read this, you're probably too lazy to go and practice as well.
This saved my life once, had to emergency brake and counter steer at the same time and ended up stomping on the rear and was skidding for 50-75ft I released the brake when I came down to 20mph and it wanted to high side but there was not enough momentum. If I didn’t skid there wouldn’t have been enough stopping power to avoid collision. Some elderly man cut 3 lanes from the left turn only lane on a 60mph road, luckily I’m always anticipating people to do dumb shit like that so I wasn’t even surprised I was ready to react
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skidding is NOT the fastest way to stop tho as the tires are made to have maximum grip while spinning not skidding
In my years (a lot of years) of MTB, I used this skidding technique to ride down the mountain - in fact, this is a requirement to downhill. I'm pretty used to it, but I never tried this on a motorcycle. I'm thinking about plucking out the ABS fuse and doing some practice on rear wheel skidding. Thanks for the tip.
DO IT!! Go and feel what these things feel like :)
Ok
You do it to kill some speed right? It also a requirement in downhill longboarding, you have to learn to swerve and slide to kill speed as you approach a turn.
@@rodya_malverde Yes, to bleed some speed but also, to manage some turns. Sometimes you just can't make the turn the 'normal' way and you need to skid to position the bike to make the turn.
Yep fairly important in dirtbiking as well.
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Happened to me in the rain, returning from a long trip. Water streaking on my visor, glasses fogged up, I focused on the car in front going for a right turn, blinked, looked ahead and the light was red...
Uh oh. Hard braking, engage the skids. Extra shame, forgot to shift down when I stopped, you can guess how the take off went from 6th gear 😂
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Been there. I lowsided in a sharp left turn in pouring rain as I used too much rear brake and the bike went 30 feet.
@@CraneTiger2 That bites, hope you got no lasting effects or an expensive bill ✌️
@@tarouyamada2686 Nope just a scratch.👍🏼
Great tip. This is why it’s so important to have off road experience and training.
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This happened to me a good couple of times over the years & when I was a newbie it gave me the skid marks in my pants to match 💩 that's why i make it a point to never stop learning and improving. The content on your channel is so valuable man 🔥
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I love how his videos are concise. No fluff just what the title is. I haven’t started riding yet but all this is so helpful.
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great instructions and you left out a very important part: when the rear is skidding and its coming around you MUST steer the front wheel into the direction the bike is going, otherwise the back end will come all the way around (180) and you will low side the bike
your demos going 20 mph in the parking lot stopped the bike in only a few feet. If your rear brake locked up, or your engine seized at 85mph it will be a LONG skid to a stop - you have to steer all the way thru itf
if your engine locked up you will be temped to pull in the clutch to free the back wheel - same deal, if its sideways get on the rear brake and skid to a stop
When we were kids we use to come down the street on bicycles as fast as possible and lock up the rear brake to see who could leave the longest skid marks on the asphalt. Great practice - expensive way to amuse yourself...
That's not true at all..and I demonstrated that in the video.
@@MotoJitsu Where did you skid the back tire sideways at 80mph?
you were going slow enough in this video that the momentum stopped before the rear could come all the way around
recommend you try it on a dirt bike or a mountain bike on dirt before you try it on a street bike
or just search for bike crash videos - Ive seen several: rider locks up the rear tire on a curve, bike does a 180 and goes low side.....
I remember when I skidded once 20 ft during a rainy day the feeling was scarier than my first time popping a wheelie. I think it’s because I was new to the feeling and didn’t know what to do. Either way I made myself stay calm and sort of committed to how I was moving and at the last minute when I was about to rear end the car in front of me something told me to act fast so I slowly released the rear brake eased out the clutch added a bit of throttle and regained traction and lane filtered through the middle until I made a full stop. After that day I realized how important it was to have brake control ,adjusting your riding to the conditions,and being as calm as you can be when facing an unfamiliar situation on a bike because had I panicked I could’ve dropped my bike. But in the end I was ok.
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thanks for this worryingly well timed video, am in PA and its cold as nuts and my tire has a big ol bald spot and is pretty much down to wear markers and it's slid around some. whats worked for me is to just not panic and ride it out and pray and dont forget to stop at the next gas station you see lol.
this vid is for slowing down and stopping and braking, mine usually only likes to slip around when im gassing it and turning or pulling out of somewhere etc. when i notice that i usually let off the gas a little but not completely (i imagine going from accelerating to engine braking while my tire is slipping wouldnt help things)
anyways thanks for the vids keepin us safe
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Was very interested in this topic, and I was lucky I had abit of experience with what you are saying and it's spot on. Short version of my experience: zx10r 2010 basically new 24000kms, clutch exploded for no reason while riding at 110-120kph on a straight (luckily). all the metal went into engine which locked up rear tyre and I kept the rear tyre directly behind the front while I slowly applied front brake and went off the road into a patch of grass. Luckily upright. Bit of luck involved aswell. Kawasaki wasnt interested because it was out of warranty period. But that's another story. (Very happy with this video good topic)
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Fun to see someone riding a motorcycle the way I used to ride a bicycle. Trying this next time I'm out in an empty lot
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if i had known this before i cuda avoided the last high side crash and have my shoulder not located. thank you for posting this and the examples that you shown were outstanding @motojitsu
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Greetings from Manila ... Been a long time subs... This topic seldomly tackled.. thanks for the tip if braking is not aligned and to avoid the rider goin ( high side)off d handlebar... That's my question u answered here in this video..
Thanks..
Just keep d videos coming ..
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you are talented, even at demonstrating the scary stuff. great demonstration 2:14, crazy that you can purposely do this!!
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Today, while overtaking a vehicle, i just gave accessive throttle than it was needed, rear wheel skid and steering was wobbling but this was funny and scary too when the rear wheel spins and your steering is totally out of control. Thank God, i was not at high speed.
Thanks this is a very important lesson, two of my most costly crushers were due to high sides that were while going down a slop in wet conditions, so thanks again.
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so relatable, got high side and got my shoulder dislocated at his moment.
@@slimshady3032 oh, sorry, my first high side left me with injuries ( that are healed now) that I had to hide from my mom for a while then but I also earned a lot after it, eg started hunting down breaking lessons and I learned how to treasure gear, hope you ride again soon.
@@tjey379 I had tried to ride after a month but squeezing the breaking was the hardest part.
Let me ask you this, does losing traction has anything to do with the wear and tear of rear tyre ?
@@slimshady3032 not necessarily, like with my first the bike was still new, but then again since wasn't a bike from one of the top 20 manufacturers maybe the quality of the tyre was questionable also both accidents happened on wet days so I would say be weary of the wet.
Two days ago Sunday was in Arkansas in the Ozarks took a horseshoe turn in about 15 miles an hour the rear wheel locked up on my R6 I held it straight into the grass the grass was moist and I continued to hold it upright into the trees. Luckily I was only going about 15 Mi an hour just messed up my windshield and mirror and I flipped a little bit over the bike and hit my back on a 15-in tree. I'm real sore but I'm alive. My bike has minimal damage
Had it happen twice in 10 minutes today immediately got off to watch this video. Sh!t was scary 😂 better to know what to do when these things happen and be able to maybe prevent it from happening.
It also applies to cars in that you should go to a big empty parking lot, often more available at night with an inch or 2 of snow and practice sliding the back tires. Experts thought crashes would go way down by adding ABS electronics, however the average driver overcompensates the steering during a back tires slide and still crashes, even with ABS improving the steering while the front tires are sliding.
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Sometimes from such skid one gets counter flip of entire bike if in speed, how to control then, ease of rear brake release or something else , do it in 30- 40 speed with heave load protection and tell me the fundamental of neglecting the flip of bike as sure shot as " when both wheels in aligned"✌😊✌
My goodness you are so good at teaching, I always look forward to your videos.
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In this scenario unfortunately the reflex action can be to throw your feet out to save falling as the bike can start heavily leaning while skidding.. in throwing your feet out you inadvertently release the brake pedal and that can be catastrophic (at even 10mph depending on how far out the tail end is). It requires controlled practice to force yourself to keep that foot down on the pedal when tail end is sliding out.. then quickly foot down when you come to a stop before bike drops to side... and if it drops, so be it - better than the alternative!! Other thing to remember is when emergency braking you're probably also engine braking, so doesn't take much pedal force for rear lockup.
That’s could be for people with no dirt training or spends any time practicing
Excellent, relevant information.
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Locking up the rear actually helped me in a situation. Car with no brake lights slammed on their brakes. There wasn't enough space to swerve as their were a couple cars in the left lane and a median strip on the right. The skid helped me slow down just enough but also pointed my bike the left of the car so I could accelerate into a gap. Sure there was probably something better to do or even a way to avoid it perhaps. But that comfort I had through practicing locking up the rear wheel played its part.
Yes the front brake
@@MotoJitsu I applied some front brake but had I come to a complete stop I would have been rear ended unfortunately.
You're going straight because you're steering into the skid, or the direction you're wanting to go. We do this in racecars to handle oversteer. Otherwise you'll just completely spin, and I'd assume go flying off the bike, I'm not willing to test that😂 What I don't understand, is why the MSF course tells you only to ride it out if the rear skids, as it's not applicable I'm every situation, as you demonstrated.
because it's basic 8th grade information...there's much more to learn beyond that, obviously.
When In Doubt, Gas It Out
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Great advice. Awesome visual with mini bike😂🔥
Can you please include tutorials about small bikes like 125 cc too? In India most bikes are 100 cc - 125 cc. So sometimes we can't fully relate some of your videos. Would be helpful for Indian/Asians if you include some tutorials about small bikes too.
the bike doesn't matter
@@MotoJitsu okay
Nice, been waiting for a video that covers this. How to prevent a death wobble has already saved me once haha
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Personally, I ride a bike with ABS
This technology is available for almost all new and most second hand bikes
I had a bike without ABS, a Suzuki Boulevard. I locked up the back wheel when a Kangaroo ran out in front of me. I went down the road sideways but I held the bike up and missed the Kangaroo
I realised that I needed ABS technology and traded the Boulevard in on a new Suzuki VStrom 650 XT
I have now put 40,000 km on the VStrom and have never activated the ABS when riding except to see if it was working once on wet grass. You don’t need ABS until you need it, and when that happens you will be glad you have it.
Very few riders will gently squeeze the brakes on in an emergency situation like I had. My advice, get ABS, we need all the help we can get and I don’t care how good you think you are.
Last night I came to roadworks and had to decelerate rapidly from 50 mph as coming over the brow of a hill there was stand still traffic. My bike has no abs . I applied the rear brake and the bike begun sliding. I needed to escape into the left lane so leaned left and gently let go of the brake. Needed a new set of pants but made it out safely…
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Get back on the power works for me
Thanks. From Philippines
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Will said MR Jitsu i've tried this technique before and it does work thank you
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Other interesting topic is referred to the rear tire skidding when adding throttle abruptly at the exit of a corner . (I think it's the new riders' most common issue)
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I was going 50-55mph and suddenly I saw a deer crossing road right in front of me, so I pushed both of my brakes right away. I believe I pushed rear brake Lil bit harder and earlier than hand brake and my rear tire was all over the road but I was holding the handle harder but my rear tire was kicking my butt left and right few times and I really thought I was gonna crash at that speed. My handle bar was slapping my tank. I don't know how I got my control back after few seconds and I survived that possible crash. It was a 2006 yamaha vster 650 with saddleboxs installed. I think when I was almost crashing my saddleboxes were hitting the road and prevented falling? Those tires are new and I recently changed them. And luckily there was no other vehicles on the road at that time. I honestly have no clue how I didn't crash when my rear tire was completely misaligned few times (left and right ) so I said my Allah saved me that night
Every motorcyclist should give offroad riding a try. The traction is less predictable and your bike just skids a lot. It's good training. Your body gets used to it and reacts by instict. When skids happen on pavement you no longer panic. You're body just knows what to do.
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You did a great job explaining it I appreciate you very much
Glad it was helpful!
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I came to this video cus I recently while driving around one lane both ways road got impatient cus of this slow driving car ahead of me which I didnt notice was slowing down because a car ahead of it was turning in to the right. I was about to overtake to the right and noticed the car ahead turning in and had to slam the rear brake and the tire went out of allignment and continued skidding. I dont really remember what I did but I didnt highside and I was able to regain control. probably kept pressure on the rear brake cus I had no option but to stop or else would have crashed into the car turning in ahead.
...sir !! Is clutchless shifting ( up and down) and engine braking harmfull for the engine, clutch assembly or to the gears !!??.
If you have a quicker shifter, no
@@MotoJitsu ...no quick shifter on my bike !!😥😥
Say Eddie, do you practice stunts at all? Because that rear wheel skid is the baby brother of drift
no
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I was using my rear brake at a slow speed slowing down and it started wobbling like crazy, scared the fuck out of me
Can you turn on subtitle options for your videos? For example, Turkish. Your videos look very instructive. It would be good for us to have a better understanding of the language option. .thank you
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Just to add, a rider can intentionally use this technique to change direction quicker much like if off roading where you may want to take a very tight corner but keep the bike momentum up.
Read the pinned comment
I don't know how but second week after stepping up to my bandit I accidentally downshifted twice at once under high RPM braking (while being stupid) locked the back wheel and it went out sideways all the way to steering lock. Just hung myself behind the bikes direction of travel and kept the front brake steady and the bike after a few long seconds slowed down and put itself straight again.
Pure beginners luck.
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Good content! Thank you!
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good stuff man!!
thanks!
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Thank you for that explanation.
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@@MotoJitsu just went ánd practiced tonight....gonna try again tmw
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Could you please tell me about your flashing (pulsating) collision avoidance lamps? Where did you get them please? This is _exactly_ what I need. You just gotta be seen! Thanks for the braking technique/skid recovery info.
it's not flashing, they're always on. it's the LEDs and the camera's inability to record the lights or whatever. They're Clearwaters, I made a video about them.
@@MotoJitsu thank you.
Really cool video man , thanks
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Should lead with, get out there and practice, and then practice again. Not enough riders build practice sessions into there riding.
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What do you do if the rear tire starts to skid when on the throttle and not the brake? Happened to me accelerating out of the exit on a roundabout and hit gravel that someone dumped at the exit. Ended up high-sided off the bike, but it was only 15mph. Still got a broken ankle from the landing though.
yup, that's very common to happen..too much throttle, too soon, at the wrong time, with the wrong lean angle.
To lock up the rear brake with the tires out of alignment, are you turning the handlebars some before stomping on the rear brake?
After
Full speed and then break, drift 😅. Don't worry about skidding
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I expected you to make motorcycle noises with your mouth while demonstrating with the toy. 😆
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Hey Fast Eddie!
I just passed my MSF course few months ago. I am 5’10” 133 lbs.
Should I buy a CBR 650F to learn on?
Or will that be too much for a beginner?
Thank you!
I don't recommend anything over 500cc for your first bike
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I only ride for about 4 months a year, and been riding for 3 years now(canada). Do you think I'm ready to take out the ABS fuse on my GSX S1000 to try practicing this? (I know I'm asking a general question)
I don't know....I never pulled a fuse to practice skidding.
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@@MotoJitsu lol, sorry I should have said. I have abs and can't turn it off unless I take fuse out.
Trouble is it happens all too quickly sometimes, next thing you know you've broken a collarbone after a highside! I had no time to think about anything. Totally my fault for being a twat!
If one skid in a curve, maybe, it'd be a different scenario. I'd make sure I low side if I can't save it. I had a high side once, definitely won't do that again.
Who would choose to high side or low side? Lol you said you won’t do that again like you had a choice or something?
@@MotoJitsu Well I learned the hard way. If only I knew years ago not to immediately release that rear brake. I might have a choice haha
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Is it still possible to skid with ABS?
Nope
I don't need to hear this. I'm going with my gut
do i have to turn off abs to practise skidding like that?
Yup
I've got rear ABS
Practice with it off
@@MotoJitsu not an option
Borrow a bike then
I panic!
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Just somehow managed myself from a big accident,a motherchod suddenly took turn ,thank God I had front ABS , skidding almost 25-30 feet just 2 sec before I hit wheels came on alignment somehow managed to skip accident.,watching this to learn for safety
you don't skid if you abs...but how about you practice emergency braking so you don't thank god for technology but rely on technique
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Hahaha I always skid in the mud and fall 🤣
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what you do is buy a bike with ABS ;)
what you do, is improve your ability so as not to rely on abs!
@@PiggyPower dude it was a joke. relax 😀
@@medvedwanders9627 sadly...it's often not a joke. Hard to tell. 👌
skill is more important than technology