Wow, that was a great game. A few out-of-context thoughts running through my mind: "What was Cal trying to do there?" "That card is busted in this deck." x2 "Is Cal lost playing a deck with no islands?" "Oh no, Mike!"
Found this channel last week, and honestly, I'm addicted! Also love how you narrate everything happening so I can have it on in the background and still know what's up! 😄
I don’t know the Oswald deck at all but I kept looking at Cal’s board like surely he can just win here with some shenanigans? I know in Historic Brawl I lose to Oswald typically on turn 4 but also that’s through a Paradox Engine line
The Finale of Devastation/Narset Reversal/Veil of Summer interaction: Veil of Summer wouldn’t have mattered right? It says your spells can’t be countered this turn. Narset Reversal doesn’t counter spells correct? Just removes it from the stack and returns it back to hand.
@@MstrKipper Not actual standard, the Arena-only "Standard 2022" metagame that rotated the all the broken Standard sets like Eldraine and Theros:Beyond Death, but left the format without any non-red land destruction.Field of Ruin was later reprinted in Midnight Hunt for the actual standard rotation.
Has to be one of the best episodes of all time for me! Absolutely loved all four decks and seeing such unique combos at a cEDH table was a riot! More unique decks please 😂
Sisay Elk is a real cool deck, being able to use all rule of law effects is really helpful imo. I like non elk Sisay, since stuff like Esika and Nicol Bolas are really helpful
For the teferi loop in game one - he couldn’t untap both crypt and chain veil with teferi who slows, but he did have a bloom tender in play so that could replace it easily (cradle made enough mana by itself anyway)
Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset only untaps one artifact with his ability. His ability reads +1: Tap or untap up to one target Artifact, Creature, and Land. You gain 2 life.
That Jeggy deck is SPICY I love all the walker lines that are possible. I would like to give the MVP to Blasting Station, getting the final KO in style!
I have just noticed something, as someone who just watches cedh but doesn't play I may be mistaken, but Angel's grace can be very good against certain decks, as it prevents you from loosing and the other players from winning, so you play it while someone is trying to pull a combo, and put them in a tough spots, as he may be beaten on the crack back if he does pull the combo, of he sotps it and try to avoid being ganged by the res of the table if he decides to stop his combo
@@noehonegger4624 @joaocisne556 there are decks that play it. It's not necessarily bad, it just depends on the context of your use for it. For example, it can be used in conjunction with an Ad Naus cast to safely draw your entire deck and not care about the life loss!
24:21 why would Mike cast Veil here? does nothing against a Narset R. I think Mike wanted to go on his own terms since he knew if Finale didn't resolve he was pretty much done for haha. ggs guys (also love how at 19:57 you guys are a "team" now hahah)
I'm so surprised to have seen Book combo at a cEDH table tbh, I figured the easy access to strip mine would be enough to incentivise against running it at all
I wouldn't say strip mine would disincentivize playing it, since I rarely actually see strip mine. There's also assassin's trophy, which I find to be much more common if you actually have the colours (so Sisay could have been running it). However, this is also why Cal played conserate land as some extra protection.
24:24. Just pointing out that Veil of Summer wouldn’t actually effect Narset’s Reversal. Reversal doesn’t “counter”. It copies the spell then returns the original to hand. Reversal would still resolve just fine through a Veil.
Cal gained 3 life every time he extorted in game 2, why didn't The Book of Exalted Deeds trigger the first two times? Did he just choose not to use it?
@@JBergmansson that I couldn't tell you. There are misplays all the time in videos. Like the turn where exploration map was played and cracked he played mox opal later that turn even through eidolon of rhetoric was in play. Good catch on the missed triggers. I missed those while watching.
I am once again (for the first time) requesting a patriot tier or second channel where we can see the games you play do decide who goes first (I.e. the “you me and debris” challenge)
book of exalted deeds + faceless haven = you can't lose the game unless they destroy faceless haven somehow. something they came up with in standard, thats why it's banned there. you activate faceless haven to turn it into a 4/3 creature with all creature types, then you activate the book, putting an enlightened counter on faceless haven, since it is an angel, you then pass the turn and you can't lose the game until faceless haven is destroyed. Edit: Iforgot about mutavault, that works too :O
Small correction - Book was only banned in "pre-rotated" Standard, a format that only had ZNR, KHM, STX, and AFR. Once MID came out it added Field of Ruin to Standard and the combo didn't really take off. Faceless Haven *is* currently banned in Standard, but that's for its aggro role and not as a combo piece.
En el minuto 24:20, ¿Finale of Devastation de Mike podía ser protegido por Veil of Summer del Narset Reversal de Ryan? Tengo entendido que Narset Reversal no hace counter.
24:22 It didn't matter this game but Veil of Summer doesn't block Narset's Reversal. Narset's Reversal doesn't counter the spell and directly bounces the spell on the stack to hand. So Mike's Veil of Summer was purely to kill himself, or the 200IQ perspective would be to be the good guy and not kingmake Ryan by letting him resolve a Finale himself
Can you guys please do another budget cedh video. Since the last one, a lot of cool set came out and a bunch of cards got reprinted. I realy like cedh and I want to get into it but sadly I dont have the budget for it and seeing you guys play budget but very powerful decks are very motivating for me.
If your group is OK with it (and honestly they really shouldn't be against it) then just proxy anything you want. The cEDH community is very proxy friendly!
@@kiskacsA17 getting them to look real isn't a problem? Just find a good proxy site and just print them out on regular paper and slide them over a basic or something.
4:02 What do you mean? I've never played with a companion. Is there a companion tax or something? 14:22 Now you say activate Jegantha? Is it an activated ability to put a companion into hand? I'm so lost
Consecrated land on Faceless Haven, animate it, then activate Book of Exhaulted Deeds targeting it. You now have an indestructible land that says you can't lose the game and your opponents can't win the game.
I guess it's more exciting to watch a game end a different way than a two card combo, but playing against Sisay seems like a nightmare. I'd rather lose to Thassa Consult than watch someone play solitaire for awhile till they finally have it while I do nothing
When mike is done searching and has declared what he finds, is waaaayyyyy to late to cast narset reversal. and because he had to search his graveyard and find the card and reveal it, there is no argument for he moved to quick and i didn’t get a chance to respond.
I seriously don't understand people's attraction to the Persistent Petitioners game plan. I guess maybe they're going for the achievement? It's just so bad...
Wow, Cal probably wanted more angles in that situation...
At ~14:13 you can see Ryan eating his chips with little tongs......... monster or mega mind????? please let us know we flamed him a lot -Noah
deranged behavior
Sacrilegious really
The CORRECT way to eat hand foods.
Mega mind imo! Especially during a game of magic.
Monster
Cal: *fetches for book of exalted deeds *
Also Cal: *misses its trigger 5 times *
was wondering if someone had pointed this out
Ikr i was like am i drunk...
Lmao I'm glad he remembered it eventually
I feel like a ton of Esper Sentinel triggers were skipped over, even though I think it could trigger
@@Greg501- same feelings here
Wow, that was a great game. A few out-of-context thoughts running through my mind:
"What was Cal trying to do there?"
"That card is busted in this deck." x2
"Is Cal lost playing a deck with no islands?"
"Oh no, Mike!"
14:13 Ryan has the most realistic food token I've ever seen.
Found this channel last week, and honestly, I'm addicted! Also love how you narrate everything happening so I can have it on in the background and still know what's up! 😄
Great games guys. That Jegantha/Sissay deck was super cool.
I like how everyone is targetting eachother and leaving Cal alone. You shouldn't leave artifact decks alone
If your very quiet and timid like people go after the person being loud lol.
I don’t know the Oswald deck at all but I kept looking at Cal’s board like surely he can just win here with some shenanigans? I know in Historic Brawl I lose to Oswald typically on turn 4 but also that’s through a Paradox Engine line
Null Rod?
my artifact deck hates this comment
The Finale of Devastation/Narset Reversal/Veil of Summer interaction: Veil of Summer wouldn’t have mattered right? It says your spells can’t be countered this turn. Narset Reversal doesn’t counter spells correct? Just removes it from the stack and returns it back to hand.
He probably knew he was beat either way and wanted to die with style
It was a great - by forcing himself to draw, he loses and Finale is removed from the stack thereby fizzling Narset's Reversal.
It actually makes the spells have hexproof, thus Narset's reversal wouldn't be able to target it
@@BrainsZoinick Only You and Permanents you Control gain heatproof from black and blue. Doesnt include spells
when mike is done searching it is waaaayyyy to late to cast a counter.
That Mutavault/Book combo was insane.
Yeah it terrorized standard for a while was hilarious
@@MstrKipper Not actual standard, the Arena-only "Standard 2022" metagame that rotated the all the broken Standard sets like Eldraine and Theros:Beyond Death, but left the format without any non-red land destruction.Field of Ruin was later reprinted in Midnight Hunt for the actual standard rotation.
It's funny how cEDH rarely plays land destruction other than maybe Beast Within.
@@TheEmeraldboy100 Assassin’s Trophy is the big one probably
Has to be one of the best episodes of all time for me! Absolutely loved all four decks and seeing such unique combos at a cEDH table was a riot!
More unique decks please 😂
Waiting for an episode with the new Jin-Gitaxias and Satoru Umezawa!
Don't forget Tamiyo Compleated 😈
Sisay Elk is a real cool deck, being able to use all rule of law effects is really helpful imo. I like non elk Sisay, since stuff like Esika and Nicol Bolas are really helpful
For the teferi loop in game one - he couldn’t untap both crypt and chain veil with teferi who slows, but he did have a bloom tender in play so that could replace it easily (cradle made enough mana by itself anyway)
Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset only untaps one artifact with his ability. His ability reads +1: Tap or untap up to one target Artifact, Creature, and Land. You gain 2 life.
The "enlightened" multavult was brilliant and hilarious😂 I have to give that play of the game.
24:29 Veil of Summer wouldn't have prevented Reversal even if the draw wasn't forced It isn't attempting to counter the spell
this was the first time i see sisay going off, looks fun
That Jeggy deck is SPICY I love all the walker lines that are possible. I would like to give the MVP to Blasting Station, getting the final KO in style!
The end of the first game was not was I expected but I'm all for it. It was nice to see the line play itself out
Nice set of games
That was amazing! Absolutely love the two games and it was so awesome to see all the decks in action!!!
Two AMAZING games
"I don't like cedh because games are only 10 minutes long"... Let me introduce you to stax.
Awesome video guys :)
That first game was unlike anything I've seen in cEDH! Very cool... GG!
Loved these games and how they stretch the cEDH meta and border on High-Power. More bleed-over like this!
I have a sisay deck but after this game, I’ll be tweaking it to something more along these lines
13:45 but what about the angel token. the poor missunderstood book
I did not see that coming! Didn't even realize it was super friends....very cool.
I have just noticed something, as someone who just watches cedh but doesn't play I may be mistaken, but Angel's grace can be very good against certain decks, as it prevents you from loosing and the other players from winning, so you play it while someone is trying to pull a combo, and put them in a tough spots, as he may be beaten on the crack back if he does pull the combo, of he sotps it and try to avoid being ganged by the res of the table if he decides to stop his combo
yes buuut
being reactive often means having a dead card in hand
@@noehonegger4624 that is true, like i said, only watch and don't play Cedh, and as Angel's grace is a gold bullet, they are bad in cedh
@@noehonegger4624 @joaocisne556 there are decks that play it. It's not necessarily bad, it just depends on the context of your use for it. For example, it can be used in conjunction with an Ad Naus cast to safely draw your entire deck and not care about the life loss!
@@mordamen I see, it can be used, but it is tricky to fit, got it
24:21 why would Mike cast Veil here? does nothing against a Narset R. I think Mike wanted to go on his own terms since he knew if Finale didn't resolve he was pretty much done for haha.
ggs guys (also love how at 19:57 you guys are a "team" now hahah)
By going out on his own terms, he also removes Finale from the game preventing the owner of Narset's Reversal from getting a copy.
I'm so surprised to have seen Book combo at a cEDH table tbh, I figured the easy access to strip mine would be enough to incentivise against running it at all
I wouldn't say strip mine would disincentivize playing it, since I rarely actually see strip mine. There's also assassin's trophy, which I find to be much more common if you actually have the colours (so Sisay could have been running it). However, this is also why Cal played conserate land as some extra protection.
I love mike's library proxy, the new art looks super cool with old borders
This is one of my new favorite in a while, this game felt so refreshing it was really cool to watch
That's some solid high powered casual gameplay. Very fun guys. ❤️
24:24. Just pointing out that Veil of Summer wouldn’t actually effect Narset’s Reversal. Reversal doesn’t “counter”. It copies the spell then returns the original to hand. Reversal would still resolve just fine through a Veil.
That planeswalkwr deck is insane!
Cal gained 3 life every time he extorted in game 2, why didn't The Book of Exalted Deeds trigger the first two times? Did he just choose not to use it?
It triggers on the end step if you gained 3 or more life this turn. It doesn't make an angel every time you gain 3 life.
@@SvviftDeath And there were two turns when he did gain 3 life, but there was no trigger, that's what I'm referring to.
@@JBergmansson that I couldn't tell you. There are misplays all the time in videos. Like the turn where exploration map was played and cracked he played mox opal later that turn even through eidolon of rhetoric was in play. Good catch on the missed triggers. I missed those while watching.
They didn't figure that out till like turn 5🤣🤣🤣
I am once again (for the first time) requesting a patriot tier or second channel where we can see the games you play do decide who goes first (I.e. the “you me and debris” challenge)
What’s the combo with Mutavault and Consecrated Land? Does it all hinge on the Book of Exalted Deeds?
Yes
Me seeing Mutavault/Faceless Haven and Book of Exalted Deeds for the first time and NOT having it in my Adeline deck 🧐😳
Seeing Emerald Charm played gets a like from me. I haven't seen someone cast that in at least a decade!
book of exalted deeds + faceless haven = you can't lose the game unless they destroy faceless haven somehow. something they came up with in standard, thats why it's banned there. you activate faceless haven to turn it into a 4/3 creature with all creature types, then you activate the book, putting an enlightened counter on faceless haven, since it is an angel, you then pass the turn and you can't lose the game until faceless haven is destroyed.
Edit: Iforgot about mutavault, that works too :O
Small correction - Book was only banned in "pre-rotated" Standard, a format that only had ZNR, KHM, STX, and AFR. Once MID came out it added Field of Ruin to Standard and the combo didn't really take off. Faceless Haven *is* currently banned in Standard, but that's for its aggro role and not as a combo piece.
13:21 the Ragavan move was awesome! But couldn't Zack have found something that would make Sisay a 4/4 and thus survive the combat against Hallar?
Yaaay i love oswald fiddlebender! Great episode.
The deck did the thing!!!!
Game 2 went crazy ..from the gruul deck that was alot of damage...who's going to get it ? Combo,are attacks damage?
What song is playing during the credits at the end? It sounds so familiar
Can I see the Sisay list or the halar list. I currently have an Atraxa superfriends but im digging the red. Help me 🙏
Check the description
That game 1 ending though !
En el minuto 24:20, ¿Finale of Devastation de Mike podía ser protegido por Veil of Summer del Narset Reversal de Ryan? Tengo entendido que Narset Reversal no hace counter.
I wasn't expecting this! Awesome video o/
At 25:00 isn't lotus petal counters by Lavinia?
But it's still extortable......
Damn
Zack should not have been able to tutor for Saheeli Rai with Sisay right? Or am i missing something
How can Blind Obedience be played in a mono white deck when it has a split Mana symbol on it?
The mana symbol is purely in the reminder text so as far as determining colour identity is concerned the symbol isn't on the card
@@AsgardianShadow oh now I know thank you!
24:22 It didn't matter this game but Veil of Summer doesn't block Narset's Reversal. Narset's Reversal doesn't counter the spell and directly bounces the spell on the stack to hand. So Mike's Veil of Summer was purely to kill himself, or the 200IQ perspective would be to be the good guy and not kingmake Ryan by letting him resolve a Finale himself
Ryan wasn't winning anyway. He had no route to beat Cal.
Game one nice planeswalkers win u got ...that was a crazy good game ..keep it going games 2
Damn that veil self mill must have stung hard!
What is the combo with consecrate land?
Yo I'm the guy who submitted the fiddledeeds deck consecrate land is to protect the mutavault land so peeps need to burn 2 removal spells
Mono white with combo ..love to see it ..that was great ending see u next time
These are SPICY brews! Love it!
that first game kill was such a cool kill my lawd
oh that was slooow and cool game. Mike did a mistake, he should've cast veil of summer as a first spell and then Finale of Devastation
Mike was so close to glory and flew too close to the sun there.
Never did I expect Veil of Summer to kill its caster!
Game 2, wondering why Mike killed saheeli instead of countering GAAIV?
Can you guys please do another budget cedh video. Since the last one, a lot of cool set came out and a bunch of cards got reprinted. I realy like cedh and I want to get into it but sadly I dont have the budget for it and seeing you guys play budget but very powerful decks are very motivating for me.
If your group is OK with it (and honestly they really shouldn't be against it) then just proxy anything you want. The cEDH community is very proxy friendly!
They are ok with proxies but personaly I dont realy like them because I want my cards to look real
@@kiskacsA17 getting them to look real isn't a problem? Just find a good proxy site and just print them out on regular paper and slide them over a basic or something.
Correct me if I’m wrong but two of those planeswalkers that were fetched with sisay aren’t legendary and can’t be fetched with sisay
All planeswalkers are legendary.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG learn new things everyday
Why did Cal not play Oswald on turn 1???
Do you guys care if proxy lands are used at scg Indy? My son and I are planning on driving down for it.
We don’t mind at all! We will bring proxies too!
Wow, veil of summer not being a may ability really sucked right there 😂😂
How did he cast lotus petal with Lavinia out?
cal missed a million book of exalted deeds triggers !
Excited to see super friends in cedh 😁
4:02 What do you mean? I've never played with a companion. Is there a companion tax or something?
14:22 Now you say activate Jegantha? Is it an activated ability to put a companion into hand? I'm so lost
They changed the rules so you have to pay {3} to put a companion into your hand before you can cast it.
@@NMS127 weird. Looked like they paid 2
I see mike is a man of culture with the Play to Win treasure token
anyone can tell me the consecrated land combo in oswald?
I was also wondering this.
Consecrated land on Faceless Haven, animate it, then activate Book of Exhaulted Deeds targeting it. You now have an indestructible land that says you can't lose the game and your opponents can't win the game.
Like cookie said it's extra protection for your wincon
Mike needed a Turn the Earth or Krosan Reclamation in his decklist
I guess it's more exciting to watch a game end a different way than a two card combo, but playing against Sisay seems like a nightmare. I'd rather lose to Thassa Consult than watch someone play solitaire for awhile till they finally have it while I do nothing
Woah. Sisay superfriends is nuts
Pre game shout out: go Fiddlebender!
Wouldn’t the finale of devastation still happen but is copied by narsets?
so spicy again. Love these games.
Oh boy.... GGssss!!!
When mike is done searching and has declared what he finds, is waaaayyyyy to late to cast narset reversal. and because he had to search his graveyard and find the card and reveal it, there is no argument for he moved to quick and i didn’t get a chance to respond.
Awesome games!
8:56 how does sisay search for a non legendary planswalker?
All planeswalkers were erratta'd to be legendary
Why is oswald able to run blind obedience? I thought extort’s mixed mana symbol didn’t allow for the mono white deck to run it.
Extort's mana symbol is considered reminder text, which does not count when defining a card's color identity for EDH purposes.
Also: Veil of Summer doesnt stop Narsets reversal anyway
I can't get over how many angels Cal could have made. But didn't... smh
So... who wants to be the one to tell Mike that Veil of Summer does not do anything to Narset's Reversal anyway???
Let’s gooo we love a Cal win
artifact pod nice
Sorry, was Ryan eating chips with chopsticks?
I just built a Sisay Planeswalker deck but its not that oppressive. Jesus
...huh. guess it's time i finally built superfriends.
Blasting Station ❤❤❤
I want that SuperFriends deck
Mono white! Mono white! Mono white!
Ryan was playing 1v1 against Mike
this episode was SPICY
I seriously don't understand people's attraction to the Persistent Petitioners game plan. I guess maybe they're going for the achievement? It's just so bad...