@Madriveroutfitters thanks so much! It absolutely did, y'all are so helpful. I really appreciate your willingness to help. You certainly stand out amongst the others. Keep up the awesome work!
This is the method I learned from my Dad when I was 10-12 years old. He snelled everything. I'm 68 years old now and taught my grandson how to do this 2 weeks ago. Flip is truly a living legend!
@@TheBlunted247 so when you cut the loop, which I have you can’t change your butt section because of the nail knot as opposed to a loop to loop. I tie tapered leaders so depending on the fly I’m casting or the fish I’m fishing for I might want to change it. Then you have to cut the nail knot eat back at the taper in your fly line and re tie a nail knot. If you don’t like to to tie your own leaders it makes it even more of pain in the ass. They are exaggerating the impact the loop to loop connection has.
I've been flyfishing for over 37 yrs and when Flip talks, I still learn something. Great stuff from the great one. I pass this knowledge on to anyone willing to listen. We owe it to the future of the craft. Tight lines my friends.
This is one of the very reasons I fell in love with fly fishing and have devoted my life to it for the last few years; I am now a new fly fishing guide in jasper national park where exploring the rivers and streams. I tend to be a fast learner and get bored easy with many hobbies when I get to the point of stagnant learning….then lose interest soon after. Yet fly fishing never ceases to amaze me. Just SO many things to learn and refine every time I go. The community of amazing people around fly fishing is so supportive and helpful in passing on knowledge that I know I will never get tired of it. It gives me so much joy seeing people like yourself with more years fishing than I have living STILL in love with this sport and still learning. Shows this is easily a lifelong hobby/ pastime or in my case….career. Proves to me that I’ve chosen the right path. I can’t wait to learn as much as I can from the pros to pass on the torch to the generations following me!
That was a seriously generous download of experience and knowledge from Flip. Its taken me over a decade to come to the same conclusions. Brilliant video and a great UA-cam channel here. Thanks Brian and crew!
You both are amazing leaders in fly fishing! No pun intended. Thank you for all you do to help us fly fishermen to understand the intricacies of the ART of fly fishing.
This method worked perfect for me. I have used loops for years and needed a better way to attach fly line to a leader. Flip’s method was just the ticket for me. When I was a beginner this would have been hard, and I appreciate that Mad River Outfitters makes it clear that loop to loop is best for beginners. Excellent channel with great fly fishing tutorials. Keep up the good work!
I've been using nail knots for 40 years and learned something new today-the Smell Knot. Love it! I noticed it's a nail knot without the tube. The need for the tube is replaced by overlapping the 2 ends of the butt section over the fly line and then pulling the butt section through the loop created. Ingenious! Somebody had a lot of time sitting around to think this one up. Keep up the great work!
@@Madriveroutfitters thought I read through your threads and saw it spelled Smell. My bad. So it's snot a smell, but a snell knot. This knot has been around a while. Thanks for setting me straight!
Greetings from Puget Sound: So, after struggling all afternoon w/ various knots that were leaving me more and more frustrated, i found your tutorial, and then with Flip. After just a few minutes in, i cut the loop, successfully tied the knot w/ the right end sticking out, and enjoyed the rest of your conversation and insights and knowledge--Thank you very kindly! Randy c
ANY I mean ANY time or content spent with this great man, I'm in!!! Sign me up every single time!!! I just bought my first fly rod ever yesterday. It's a vintage Fenwick so I hope it's sufficient. Came with many many flies and rolls of line. I have sooo much to learn but I'm very very excited to dive head first in!! This channel and these videos are solid gold!!!
Thankyou very much, I have watched this video twice so far. I was looking to attach leader to fly line - now I will just cut it off , flip is a wealth of knowledge and enjoy the input when he shares 😃😃
Just starting to salt water fish in Old Lyme CT.2023 season.... have done fresh water for long time... your videos are helping a tremendous amount thanks...P
Thanks, Great explanation, when I first learnt to fly cast I was taught to cut the loops off the end but never really understood why. This explanation made it crystal clear.
It’s difficult for old timer’s to embrace new technology. I’ve fly fished for over 55 years and since the welded loop was introduced years ago by Rio, Orvis, SA and others and leader manufacturers started producing their tapered leaders with perfection loops, I’ve never had one issue that would make me go back to the old technology. And I’m a traditionalist in that I still fish my split cane rods as well as my carbon graphite rods. But that’s what makes FF so wonderful. Do whatever makes you comfortable. If you think you can catch more fish doing it the hard way then that’s what you need to do.
Could agree more! Obviously Mr. Pallot is a legend, but…. I’ve fished welded loops for a long time, never had a single problem. Streamers, dries, nymphs, from 2wt to 10wt, no issue and for the people who say it has to do with casting… well I’m no expert in physics but there is NO WAY it makes that “BIG” of a difference.
Answered a question I’ve always had! It seemed to me that the less than solid connection of a loop to loop would interrupt the transfer of energy from line to leader. The common sense that comes from this man is refreshing. Many thanks Mike
That may have been the most captivating Fly fishing video I have ever watched. Flips explanation on the transfer of energy into the leader was presented so logically that I found my head bobbing up and down in the yes motion through out. He left no doubt in my mind about cutting off the loop. I learned the snell knot. And also made my final conclusion about using high visibility line. Not because he explained it but because his name is on it.
Mr Pallot is truly a fly fishing Guru. He explains and demonstrates his knowledge in a precise but simple way. This vid was a very important and critical tip to improve casting accuracy. Thank you Sir..
Great video! My husband has always taken care of my fishing lines. I just decided to see if I could do it, one less thing for him. This was a great video for a beginner like myself. Thanks!
Fantastic knot. Seems to be a nail knot in the end, but much easier to tie. Instead of putting the tippet end on the leader through as the last step (traditional nail knot), you lay it alongside as the first step, and then it's easy to put it through and snug it up. My nail knots always screw up after I pull the tube out and then try to put the tippet end through the void. This is much easier and much quicker. Thanks so much.
this was a great video! I've used a needle knot of late but this looks much easier...not to mention removing the loop to loop makes the line go thru the guides much easier when landing fish. looking forward to part 2. thanks again!
Brian is blessed to be friends with Flip Pallot, he is truly a living legend. This topic is old news.Brian has a tutorial on how to do this, which I learned from him, as well as how to whip a loop, thanks Brian. So I have a boatload of leaders tied up already using a micro swivel and a fly clip. Of course I have a Perfection loop on the butt section to attach to the fly line. A waste of time? I can't feel any resistance from the weight the loop creates when I cast. I'm certain Flip is right, however, not enough for me to change.
@@JoelSzymczyk Flip claims a whipped loop is much stronger than the manufacturer's welded loop. He always cuts it off and nail knots directly to the fly line now. The claim is the line shoots faster with less resistance and a tighter loop. But now, he's evolved into an "Anti loopper!". A bodybuilder wants to build his bicep, he'll do a curling exercise. Now there are a hundred different designer exercises to build your biceps, but really net the same results. Perhaps, fly fisherman need this same stimulate to be relative today? If anything, it makes for great conversation .
The two things that I learned from listening to Flip that have most improved my game are the importance/effect of control over the drop of rod tip on the forward cast, and the importance of conservation of energy and line speed through to the fly. Such nerdy little details but the way he breaks them down so easily speaks to how much of a wizard Flip really is
Thank you once again for an awsome video! Started fly fishing 2 years ago. And i’ve learned so much important things from your videos, i can’t thank you gentlemen’s enough! 🙏
This is the best improvement that I've made! I fish in really small tight creeks going after native brook trout, and even with a 7' leader once in a while you will reel the line in too far and then the loops get stuck in the first guide, now the leader/ line goes through just like BUTTER!
The walker Key Chronicles!!! I loved that show . Love Florida , love the Bahamas . Dive , fish . I found at least a 200 yr old rum bottle , complete intact . Where is that bottle ?!?!! 🤔
Been doing this for nearly twenty years... I bought a new spool & line at the shop I (eventually) wound up guiding for in Ketchum, ID, and when Dave F. (may he RIP) spooled it for me, he added a butt section. I bought a leader, cut off the loop and he showed me how to attach it to the butt section. My fly delivery improved significantly after that. I came, logically, to the conclusions that Flip discusses in this video. Other than the casting loop, the only loops in my line ever since have been non-slip loops and the occasional wind knot when I try something stupid.
Tks 4 the informative video. When I started fly fishing I feel the same as flip on the extra weight in the line. Affirmation by Flip. Tks again. God Bless n fish on!
Great idea on marking the line weight of your fly lines with a Sharpie marker. I have a few reels in my case that the line stickers came off the reel and I really don't remember what the line weights are now.
Excellent Flip video! I loved hearing the logic of the snell knot leader connection and the practicality of a long butt section, but would like to see the complete leader recipe for trout leader the long butt section if it applies. Before watching this video I added a butt section (8" long) to fly line with nail knot and a loop at the other end for quick loop to loop to leader. I will stop doing that.
Appreciate the video, it is very informative. I also don't like those pesky "evil" loops. Many years ago an eastern sierra guide recommended the old Eagle Claw tapered Leader Links LL1 to attach leaders to fly lines...it's never failed & is a clean connection.
Absolutely rolling laughing at Flip's annoyed stare in the frozen frame while airboat engine revved 😂😂😂 great editing guys. BTW im loving the Three Grandes and three standard Leader Wallets - superb products. Dai Howells from the beautiful Gower Peninsula seabass snd golden grey mullet sandy beaches near Swansea in Wales UK
Yay Flip! Brian did teach to cut that loop off somewhere in one of his videos but I couldn't find it again. My poles are all rigged with loop-to-loop leader/fly line connections and every single one stops the line from going through that last 'ferrule' (?) and screwing up my casting. Now I know for sure and I get to fix all 3 of my poles' rigging. Lovely video! And marking each pole for the type of rigging and line weight is brilliant!
Brian. I like your videos. But I have to tell ya, Flip explained the Snell knot better than you did on other videos. 😆 Now I get it. As we speak I'm cutting off all the EVIL loops on all my gear. BTW, I am a huge fan of your educational videos and your shop! The best resource of all fly fishing for sure! Keep high-quality content coming!
I would totally agree with Mr. Pallot on loops. Loops in my view are only for beginners that don't know any better and for loop to loop connections for saltwater fishing, I usually do 5-7 turns unless dealing with a mono core fly line where I do 8-10 turns. Good info!
Loops aren't "for beginners" persay. They are convenient and people are landing trophies on them to this day after fishing for decades. There is no best way in this case fish the way you want loop or no loop.
I've used this knot and will whip a thread over it and varnish it. Not that it needs extra strength but it slips even more easy through the rings, essential with longer mid and tippet sections and reaching to netting a fish might be difficult.
Spot on with the leader advice, long butts! I also agree that a snell or nail knot is a smother connection/engery transfer, but I would only trust a homemade loop convection, preferably with 2-3 coated nail knots in the loop for saltwater beasties like GTs, YFT, billfish, whahoo, etc.
@@Madriveroutfitters it was fully addressed in Part 2, thank you so much though. Realized that this isn’t for me as often as I change leaders. I need to be able to switch for 4x 5x and 6x at all times.
I have many spools of silk fly line and other types in glass tubes, several of the little trout reels and micro pen reels,as well as some vintage flies and spoons.
Thanks for watching. That is not at all what they are saying. Please watch episode 2 and it should help? If any further questions, please e-mail or call Brian directly at the shop. He's always happy to help.
I was in a pinch and needed a Snell tool ASAP so I cut a portion off of my girlfriend's cooking whisk 😂 she still hasn't noticed and it makes a damn good tool!!
Good info. I learned to remove the loop 30 some years ago, but always used a Nail Knot. My question is... Does the nail knot also seal off the flyline tip? I notice I have to dress or clean my fly line tip more then I like. Or is cleaning it every time I go out normal? Also - I tie a piece of mono onto the end of the Flyline about 8 or 10 inches long then attach leader to that so I don't really ever cut into my flylines.
Thanks for watching and thanks for being here. Best to send those questions over to the shop directly and they will be happy to help. E-mail or call and they'll get you answered.
Just curious do you have a video for the knot, id like to try it but its hard to follow with the interruptions. Also i am curious if you have information regaurding building leaders for different set ups. Thanks for the awsome content. Flip is my favorite
Love the knot. I enjoy using furled leaders though and wondering if you left the loop on the furled leader and then built this knot first, can you cut the loop off of the leader after the knot is built and secondly, can you "pull" the leader back through the knot? I am concerned the leader wont want to be pulled back through the snell due to the texture of the furled leader? Thanks
Good Video; I have been experimenting with this for years. My conclusion is if the loop on the end of the line is small and strong, the line and leader turn over fine. The snell is so similar to a nail know that either would work fine. Like the leader building formula as I use it all the time. Agree with the factory loops are not strong. They are OK for small species of fish but not for the salt.
Hi guys from the UK. Amazing tutorial - thanks! Quick question. If you need to replace the leader i assume you just repeat the process? Each time losing a small amount of fly line? :)
Thanks for watching. If you watch the part 2 of this, they do cover that topic. Otherwise, feel free to send Brian an e-mail at the shop and he'll be happy to answer any questions. He doesn't monitor comments here but does monitor e-mails and phones at the shop every day!
This video by Mad River/Flip Pallot was suggested to me by a fan from a local fly shop in Denver. I am still a little concerned about what this knot should look like when properly tied. 5wt F-WF to a factory tapered 7.5' - 12'(any brand). I keep getting a kink, not a straight knot! Any suggestions.
Hey Brain, i have seen everyone explain until the connection of the leader line, what happens after that? How do i choose the correct leader for my specific line wt i am using, also how does that effect my end cast.
We do have a follow-up video coming....stay tuned. Feel free to call Brian at the shop also if you have specific needs or questions. He's always happy to help. Thanks.
Gonna go fly fishing with my dad , bluegill on beds to be specific using floating popper flies. Maybe once a every now and then, should we worry about cutting the loops off and snelling?
Hey Brian That’s some great info from Flip. Makes a lot of sense far as the physics of the flight of the line. I hope there will be another video posted (without boat interruptions) showing a closeup of the knot and to clarify leader length. From this, I’m understanding there are no mid sections in his leaders. Great video!
Here is the knot video: ua-cam.com/video/_I0u9URCbNM/v-deo.html Stay tuned for the follow-up video. There are certainly mid-sections. You really can't go butt to tippet in most cases.
Does the increased length of butt section translate well to delicate dry fly presentation or is this specific to salt/warmwater stuff and streamer fishing? I cant imagine running 8+ feet of butt section fishing dries to wary trout on a spring creek. Definitely curious on how versatile this would be. Lots of great knowledge here to consider, thank you!
Thanks for watching. Best to contact Brian directly at the shop and discuss? You can e-mail him or call him. Pretty sure they are not talking about a dry fly leader...but best to check with him to be sure.
So if you get out there and end up throwing several different setups: drys, streamers, nymphs then the loop to loop is more practical since you'd be changing out leaders often. Is that accurate?
Sooo. If I tie a perfection loop, does it transfer the same energy as the welded loop? Or do I snell every leader from this point forward? Sorry in advance!
@@chubbycarter3776 Be sure to watch part 2 of this video and Brian answers most of your questions. If not, feel free to call him or email him. He’s always happy to help. Thanks!!
My grandfather hated to use knots when tying a leader on a a fly line. He suggested and always used fly line eyelets, my grandfather could also tie Snell knots but the eyelets we're his go to, I recently got back into fly fishing and had to order eyelets, I have never tried any other way than how I was taught at the age of 12 and am now 30, since I have have 2 fly rods now I will have to rig them both up differently and see if I can feel a difference.. But I will also have to try a welded loop since I have never used the I suppose modern easier method.
This is a wonderful video! I have a #8 Airflo C.A.S.T. line (Canadian Atlantic Salmon Taper) and the built-in welded loop broke after a year. I tried this exact knot after searching for "nailless nail knots" on UA-cam. Unfortunately, each time I tightened up, the 30# leader cut right through the fly line; first the coating, like a wire stripper, and then the core as well! After six attempts and losing over a foot of fly line, I gave up and went to my local shop. They installed one of those Chinese finger trap loop sections, which saved the fly line, but is very stiff, particularly where they lashed it down with heavy tying thread. I'm too scared to try this knot again! Do you think this is particular to Airflo lines? Thanks again for these informative videos!
Thanks for watching. Best to contact the folks at the shop with your questions and they will be happy to help. You can call them or e-mail them and they will get you fixed up.
Same issue for me. I'm on attempt number three with RIO Permit line. WIth the past two attempts the butt section snell knot cut right through the line. After cutting off the loop I hope I' not screwed!
If you haven't seen it, check out the second part to this video here: ua-cam.com/video/l0tDLthd_hg/v-deo.html
Keep UP The G😊😊D Work !
@@michaelegnatz1535 Thanks! As long as folks keep supporting the shop, we’ll keep making videos!!!
@Madriveroutfitters thanks so much! It absolutely did, y'all are so helpful. I really appreciate your willingness to help. You certainly stand out amongst the others. Keep up the awesome work!
This is the method I learned from my Dad when I was 10-12 years old. He snelled everything. I'm 68 years old now and taught my grandson how to do this 2 weeks ago. Flip is truly a living legend!
Thanks for watching and we certainly agree.
I have spent the afternoon cutting the loops off of my lines and tying the snell knot. Thank you to the fly fishing Godfather
Thanks so much for watching.
Bad idea
@@Twilk94elaborate please?
@@TheBlunted247 so when you cut the loop, which I have you can’t change your butt section because of the nail knot as opposed to a loop to loop. I tie tapered leaders so depending on the fly I’m casting or the fish I’m fishing for I might want to change it. Then you have to cut the nail knot eat back at the taper in your fly line and re tie a nail knot. If you don’t like to to tie your own leaders it makes it even more of pain in the ass. They are exaggerating the impact the loop to loop connection has.
When you do change butt section with the knack knot you have to eat away at your taper.
I've been flyfishing for over 37 yrs and when Flip talks, I still learn something. Great stuff from the great one. I pass this knowledge on to anyone willing to listen. We owe it to the future of the craft. Tight lines my friends.
Thanks so much for watching and you are so right. We must keep it alive!!!
This is one of the very reasons I fell in love with fly fishing and have devoted my life to it for the last few years;
I am now a new fly fishing guide in jasper national park where exploring the rivers and streams.
I tend to be a fast learner and get bored easy with many hobbies when I get to the point of stagnant learning….then lose interest soon after.
Yet fly fishing never ceases to amaze me. Just SO many things to learn and refine every time I go.
The community of amazing people around fly fishing is so supportive and helpful in passing on knowledge that I know I will never get tired of it.
It gives me so much joy seeing people like yourself with more years fishing than I have living STILL in love with this sport and still learning. Shows this is easily a lifelong hobby/ pastime or in my case….career.
Proves to me that I’ve chosen the right path. I can’t wait to learn as much as I can from the pros to pass on the torch to the generations following me!
That was a seriously generous download of experience and knowledge from Flip. Its taken me over a decade to come to the same conclusions.
Brilliant video and a great UA-cam channel here. Thanks Brian and crew!
Thanks so much for watching.
You both are amazing leaders in fly fishing! No pun intended. Thank you for all you do to help us fly fishermen to understand the intricacies of the ART of fly fishing.
Thanks for watching. Stay tuned for more!
Flip is so intelligent about this stuff and not like a old timer. Tell him thanks for the lesson as some of us age. You go Flip!!
Go girl!
A mail knot without any tools, been done for years, I just learned it and its great. Thanks for showing it in a different setting.
Thanks for watching.
Love hearing anything Flip has to say. He's a treasure of the fishing world. Keep those 'Flip' videos coming.
Thanks for watching. We agree and plenty more to come! Stay tuned.
This method worked perfect for me. I have used loops for years and needed a better way to attach fly line to a leader. Flip’s method was just the ticket for me. When I was a beginner this would have been hard, and I appreciate that Mad River Outfitters makes it clear that loop to loop is best for beginners. Excellent channel with great fly fishing tutorials. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching. Loops are much better for beginning anglers for sure.
I've been using nail knots for 40 years and learned something new today-the Smell Knot. Love it! I noticed it's a nail knot without the tube. The need for the tube is replaced by overlapping the 2 ends of the butt section over the fly line and then pulling the butt section through the loop created. Ingenious! Somebody had a lot of time sitting around to think this one up. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching. Just to be clear...it's a Snell Knot. (not a smell knot)
@@Madriveroutfitters thought I read through your threads and saw it spelled Smell. My bad. So it's snot a smell, but a snell knot. This knot has been around a while. Thanks for setting me straight!
@@MrMurf2you 👍
Greetings from Puget Sound:
So, after struggling all afternoon w/ various knots that were leaving me more and more frustrated, i found your tutorial, and then with Flip. After just a few minutes in, i cut the loop, successfully tied the knot w/ the right end sticking out, and enjoyed the rest of your conversation and insights and knowledge--Thank you very kindly! Randy c
Thanks for watching.
ANY I mean ANY time or content spent with this great man, I'm in!!! Sign me up every single time!!! I just bought my first fly rod ever yesterday. It's a vintage Fenwick so I hope it's sufficient. Came with many many flies and rolls of line. I have sooo much to learn but I'm very very excited to dive head first in!! This channel and these videos are solid gold!!!
Thanks for watching and feel free to contact the shop anytime with questions. We are always happy to help!
@@Madriveroutfitters fantastic. Really appreciate that my good man 🙏🤘🤘🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thankyou very much, I have watched this video twice so far. I was looking to attach leader to fly line - now I will just cut it off , flip is a wealth of knowledge and enjoy the input when he shares 😃😃
Thanks for watching.
Just starting to salt water fish in Old Lyme CT.2023 season.... have done fresh water for long time... your videos are helping a tremendous amount thanks...P
Thanks so much for watching!
Thanks, Great explanation, when I first learnt to fly cast I was taught to cut the loops off the end but never really understood why. This explanation made it crystal clear.
Thanks for watching and please stay tuned.
It’s difficult for old timer’s to embrace new technology. I’ve fly fished for over 55 years and since the welded loop was introduced years ago by Rio, Orvis, SA and others and leader manufacturers started producing their tapered leaders with perfection loops, I’ve never had one issue that would make me go back to the old technology. And I’m a traditionalist in that I still fish my split cane rods as well as my carbon graphite rods. But that’s what makes FF so wonderful. Do whatever makes you comfortable. If you think you can catch more fish doing it the hard way then that’s what you need to do.
Thanks for watching and sharing.
Could agree more! Obviously Mr. Pallot is a legend, but…. I’ve fished welded loops for a long time, never had a single problem. Streamers, dries, nymphs, from 2wt to 10wt, no issue and for the people who say it has to do with casting… well I’m no expert in physics but there is NO WAY it makes that “BIG” of a difference.
I’ve been converted! Cut off the loops and tied Flipps knot to my #7 fly lines. Great videos,thanks from across the pond 🇬🇧🇺🇸
Thanks for being here.
OMG - makes complete sense - a game changer for me who uses loops on the line and the leader - Thanks chaps!
Thanks for watching.
Answered a question I’ve always had! It seemed to me that the less than solid connection of a loop to loop would interrupt the transfer of energy from line to leader. The common sense that comes from this man is refreshing. Many thanks Mike
Thanks for watching and happy to help. Stay tuned for part 2.......
That may have been the most captivating Fly fishing video I have ever watched. Flips explanation on the transfer of energy into the leader was presented so logically that I found my head bobbing up and down in the yes motion through out. He left no doubt in my mind about cutting off the loop. I learned the snell knot. And also made my final conclusion about using high visibility line. Not because he explained it but because his name is on it.
Thanks so much for watching.
Mr Pallot is truly a fly fishing Guru. He explains and demonstrates his knowledge in a precise but simple way. This vid was a very important and critical tip to improve casting accuracy. Thank you Sir..
Thanks for watching! We agree!
Now that’s an outstanding UA-cam teaching video.. worth ever second… Thank you Brian !
Thanks so much for watching.
Great video! My husband has always taken care of my fishing lines. I just decided to see if I could do it, one less thing for him. This was a great video for a beginner like myself. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Fantastic knot. Seems to be a nail knot in the end, but much easier to tie. Instead of putting the tippet end on the leader through as the last step (traditional nail knot), you lay it alongside as the first step, and then it's easy to put it through and snug it up. My nail knots always screw up after I pull the tube out and then try to put the tippet end through the void. This is much easier and much quicker. Thanks so much.
Thanks for watching.
When Flip talks, I listen and heed.
As we all should! Thanks for watching.
this was a great video! I've used a needle knot of late but this looks much easier...not to mention removing the loop to loop makes the line go thru the guides much easier when landing fish. looking forward to part 2. thanks again!
Thanks for being here and please stay tuned.
Brian is blessed to be friends with Flip Pallot, he is truly a living legend. This topic is old news.Brian has a tutorial on how to do this, which I learned from him, as well as how to whip a loop, thanks Brian.
So I have a boatload of leaders tied up already using a micro swivel and a fly clip. Of course I have a Perfection loop on the butt section to attach to the fly line. A waste of time? I can't feel any resistance from the weight the loop creates when I cast. I'm certain Flip is right, however, not enough for me to change.
Thanks for watching. Always good to hear it from the master though.....the one who taught it to Brian.
@@JoelSzymczyk Flip claims a whipped loop is much stronger than the manufacturer's welded loop. He always cuts it off and nail knots directly to the fly line now. The claim is the line shoots faster with less resistance and a tighter loop.
But now, he's evolved into an "Anti loopper!".
A bodybuilder wants to build his bicep, he'll do a curling exercise. Now there are a hundred different designer exercises to build your biceps, but really net the same results. Perhaps, fly fisherman need this same stimulate to be relative today? If anything, it makes for great conversation .
The two things that I learned from listening to Flip that have most improved my game are the importance/effect of control over the drop of rod tip on the forward cast, and the importance of conservation of energy and line speed through to the fly. Such nerdy little details but the way he breaks them down so easily speaks to how much of a wizard Flip really is
Thanks for watching! He is certainly a wizard!
Thank you once again for an awsome video! Started fly fishing 2 years ago. And i’ve learned so much important things from your videos, i can’t thank you gentlemen’s enough! 🙏
Thanks so much for being here!
I love the idea of marking the fly line with a Sharpie to identify it's weight! Brilliant!
An old Lefty Kreh trick. Thanks for watching.
This is the best improvement that I've made! I fish in really small tight creeks going after native brook trout, and even with a 7' leader once in a while you will reel the line in too far and then the loops get stuck in the first guide, now the leader/ line goes through just like BUTTER!
How about that! #likebutter
Thanks for watching.
The walker Key Chronicles!!! I loved that show . Love Florida , love the Bahamas . Dive , fish . I found at least a 200 yr old rum bottle , complete intact . Where is that bottle ?!?!! 🤔
Thanks for watching.
This is absolutely brilliant. Could watch and listen allllll day. Thanks for doing this :-)
Thanks for being here.
Anytime I watch anything with Flip or Lefty (RIP). The whole time, I learn.
Hard not to. Both legends. Thanks for watching.
Been doing this for nearly twenty years... I bought a new spool & line at the shop I (eventually) wound up guiding for in Ketchum, ID, and when Dave F. (may he RIP) spooled it for me, he added a butt section. I bought a leader, cut off the loop and he showed me how to attach it to the butt section. My fly delivery improved significantly after that. I came, logically, to the conclusions that Flip discusses in this video.
Other than the casting loop, the only loops in my line ever since have been non-slip loops and the occasional wind knot when I try something stupid.
Thanks for watching.
Tks 4 the informative video. When I started fly fishing I feel the same as flip on the extra weight in the line. Affirmation by Flip. Tks again. God Bless n fish on!
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I am going to use that method now and will cut my loops off-Thanks Brian, I could listen to you both all day long-but loops will go.
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Great idea on marking the line weight of your fly lines with a Sharpie marker. I have a few reels in my case that the line stickers came off the reel and I really don't remember what the line weights are now.
@@davidcudlip6587 Thanks for being here.
Excellent Flip video! I loved hearing the logic of the snell knot leader connection and the practicality of a long butt section, but would like to see the complete leader recipe for trout leader the long butt section if it applies. Before watching this video I added a butt section (8" long) to fly line with nail knot and a loop at the other end for quick loop to loop to leader. I will stop doing that.
Stay tuned. Follow up video is coming.
I love these videos. Flip has got me wanting to snip that loop now.
Thanks guys.
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Spectacular thank you mr. Pallot
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Appreciate the video, it is very informative. I also don't like those pesky "evil" loops. Many years ago an eastern sierra guide recommended the old Eagle Claw tapered Leader Links LL1 to attach leaders to fly lines...it's never failed & is a clean connection.
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Mr Pallot is a piscatorial colossus for sure 😁
He sure is!
Thank Your!! Flip IS the King!!
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Thank you it is really an excellent way to do this knot and also a good advice about the length of the butt section . Merci beaucoup .
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Y,all are super from flip to mro thanks for all the advice keep up the good work. Great videos camera guy or gals
Thanks for watching. We really appreciate it!
Absolutely rolling laughing at Flip's annoyed stare in the frozen frame while airboat engine revved 😂😂😂 great editing guys. BTW im loving the Three Grandes and three standard Leader Wallets - superb products. Dai Howells from the beautiful Gower Peninsula seabass snd golden grey mullet sandy beaches near Swansea in Wales UK
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Yay Flip! Brian did teach to cut that loop off somewhere in one of his videos but I couldn't find it again. My poles are all rigged with loop-to-loop leader/fly line connections and every single one stops the line from going through that last 'ferrule' (?) and screwing up my casting. Now I know for sure and I get to fix all 3 of my poles' rigging. Lovely video! And marking each pole for the type of rigging and line weight is brilliant!
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Brian. I like your videos. But I have to tell ya, Flip explained the Snell knot better than you did on other videos. 😆 Now I get it. As we speak I'm cutting off all the EVIL loops on all my gear. BTW, I am a huge fan of your educational videos and your shop! The best resource of all fly fishing for sure! Keep high-quality content coming!
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I would totally agree with Mr. Pallot on loops. Loops in my view are only for beginners that don't know any better and for loop to loop connections for saltwater fishing, I usually do 5-7 turns unless dealing with a mono core fly line where I do 8-10 turns. Good info!
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Loops aren't "for beginners" persay. They are convenient and people are landing trophies on them to this day after fishing for decades. There is no best way in this case fish the way you want loop or no loop.
Love to see a closer view of the knot. Do you use both ends of the leader?
Here you go:
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Great info! Do you recall the length of tippet for this set up? Thank you.
Check the part 2 video? If not, call or e-mail Brian at the shop and he should be able to help. Thanks.
@@Madriveroutfitters found it, thank you. Excellent.
I've used this knot and will whip a thread over it and varnish it. Not that it needs extra strength but it slips even more easy through the rings, essential with longer mid and tippet sections and reaching to netting a fish might be difficult.
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Spot on with the leader advice, long butts! I also agree that a snell or nail knot is a smother connection/engery transfer, but I would only trust a homemade loop convection, preferably with 2-3 coated nail knots in the loop for saltwater beasties like GTs, YFT, billfish, whahoo, etc.
Thanks for watching. We use this for the big bruisers all the time though with no problems whatsoever.
@@Madriveroutfitters 😎
I’m old and for me it may be more a confidence thing. I just know I’d be shitting my pants thinking about that snell. 😂
Thank you, I truly appreciate this content!
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Wow, always learning. Thank you for a great session with Flip.
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Flip is my hero! Amazing.
He’s everybody’s hero! Thanks for watching.
Exactly what I needed. Thank you for the content man. God Bless 🙏🏼
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Got one major question but I accidentally saw some of part 2 before this and Gonna wait to see if that is addressed.
Feel free to contact the shop anytime with questions. They are always happy to help.
@@Madriveroutfitters it was fully addressed in Part 2, thank you so much though. Realized that this isn’t for me as often as I change leaders. I need to be able to switch for 4x 5x and 6x at all times.
@@IMKINDOFABIGDEAL13 Correct. Not really a trout fishing video.
@@Madriveroutfitters yeah I caught that in part 2 hahahaha
I have many spools of silk fly line and other types in glass tubes, several of the little trout reels and micro pen reels,as well as some vintage flies and spoons.
Thanks for sharing.
Great info thx. Just to confirm: at the end there-Is he saying that the fly can be tied directly to a longer butt section/no need for a tippet?
Thanks for watching. That is not at all what they are saying. Please watch episode 2 and it should help? If any further questions, please e-mail or call Brian directly at the shop. He's always happy to help.
Awesome video guys thanks. Love your stuff.
Would great to get some details what but section material to use for a given fly line.
Follow-up episode coming in just hours. Stay tuned.
Thank you for passing on this knowledge 👍
Thanks for being here and please stay tuned.
I was in a pinch and needed a Snell tool ASAP so I cut a portion off of my girlfriend's cooking whisk 😂 she still hasn't noticed and it makes a damn good tool!!
Many things can work as a stiffener.....that's one.
Good info. I learned to remove the loop 30 some years ago, but always used a Nail Knot.
My question is... Does the nail knot also seal off the flyline tip?
I notice I have to dress or clean my fly line tip more then I like. Or is cleaning it every time I go out normal?
Also - I tie a piece of mono onto the end of the Flyline about 8 or 10 inches long then attach leader to that so I don't really ever cut into my flylines.
Thanks for watching and thanks for being here. Best to send those questions over to the shop directly and they will be happy to help. E-mail or call and they'll get you answered.
What weight mono do you use and what weight fly line are you going to? Also, what lengths are your leader sections? Thanks in advance.
Just curious do you have a video for the knot, id like to try it but its hard to follow with the interruptions. Also i am curious if you have information regaurding building leaders for different set ups. Thanks for the awsome content. Flip is my favorite
Here you go:
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Love the knot. I enjoy using furled leaders though and wondering if you left the loop on the furled leader and then built this knot first, can you cut the loop off of the leader after the knot is built and secondly, can you "pull" the leader back through the knot? I am concerned the leader wont want to be pulled back through the snell due to the texture of the furled leader? Thanks
Please send your questions over to Brian at the shop directly and he’ll be happy to help. Thanks.
Good Video; I have been experimenting with this for years.
My conclusion is if the loop on the end of the line is small and strong, the line and leader turn over fine. The snell is so similar to a nail know that either would work fine. Like the leader building formula as I use it all the time.
Agree with the factory loops are not strong. They are OK for small species of fish but not for the salt.
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Thank you, thank you, & thank you!
And thank you!
Man that was a good lesson. Thanks
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Hi guys from the UK. Amazing tutorial - thanks! Quick question. If you need to replace the leader i assume you just repeat the process? Each time losing a small amount of fly line? :)
Thanks for watching. If you watch the part 2 of this, they do cover that topic. Otherwise, feel free to send Brian an e-mail at the shop and he'll be happy to answer any questions. He doesn't monitor comments here but does monitor e-mails and phones at the shop every day!
One word. Brilliant 👏
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Great in-depth explanation. Awesome video!
Thanks so much for watching.
Flip is the man!
Certainly is!
All of my loops are gone. Went fishing today, didn’t catch anything, but dang, the line and leader just worked so much better…
Pretty cool eh? Thanks for watching.
I remember watching Flip as a kid with the walker kay series him on his flats boat .
Inspired so many.....and still does!
I would like to hear more from flip pollet on leaders construction for big streamers and bone fish. He explains the physics well.🙏🙏
Stay tuned!
This video by Mad River/Flip Pallot was suggested to me by a fan from a local fly shop in Denver. I am still a little concerned about what this knot should look like when properly tied. 5wt F-WF to a factory tapered 7.5' - 12'(any brand). I keep getting a kink, not a straight knot! Any suggestions.
Feel free to contact Brian directly through the shop. He'll be happy to help!
Hey Brain, i have seen everyone explain until the connection of the leader line, what happens after that? How do i choose the correct leader for my specific line wt i am using, also how does that effect my end cast.
We do have a follow-up video coming....stay tuned. Feel free to call Brian at the shop also if you have specific needs or questions. He's always happy to help. Thanks.
Gonna go fly fishing with my dad , bluegill on beds to be specific using floating popper flies. Maybe once a every now and then, should we worry about cutting the loops off and snelling?
Please send your questions directly to Brian at the shop via e-mail or give him a call. He’ll be happy to help. Thanks.
This was truly an interesting and informative video! Great work guys. 👍🏻👏🏻🎣🐟😎🇺🇸
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Great video as usual but how does he taper it, he didn’t finish?
Second video coming....sorry we didn't make that clear. Stay tuned.
What a great man and video ty for sharing!
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Nice interview😊
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Hey Brian
That’s some great info from Flip.
Makes a lot of sense far as the physics of the flight of the line.
I hope there will be another video posted (without boat interruptions) showing a closeup of the knot and to clarify leader length. From this, I’m understanding there are no mid sections in his leaders.
Great video!
Here is the knot video:
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Stay tuned for the follow-up video. There are certainly mid-sections. You really can't go butt to tippet in most cases.
Wow! Thanks for sharing this
Thanks for watching.
Hey Brian, great demonstration by Flip. Would you be able to demonstrate the snell connection again a little more slowly?
Here you go:
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@@Madriveroutfitters Thanks will check it out!
Does the increased length of butt section translate well to delicate dry fly presentation or is this specific to salt/warmwater stuff and streamer fishing? I cant imagine running 8+ feet of butt section fishing dries to wary trout on a spring creek. Definitely curious on how versatile this would be. Lots of great knowledge here to consider, thank you!
Thanks for watching. Best to contact Brian directly at the shop and discuss? You can e-mail him or call him. Pretty sure they are not talking about a dry fly leader...but best to check with him to be sure.
Great stuff. Newbie question. How think is the butt section of the leader need to be? It seems like it would depend on the weight of the fly line?
Thanks for watching. Please send your questions directly to the shop and they will be happy to help. Send an e-mail or give them a call.
Great information! Changing up my rigs tomorrow!
Thanks for watching and call the shop if they can help in any way.
So if you get out there and end up throwing several different setups: drys, streamers, nymphs then the loop to loop is more practical since you'd be changing out leaders often. Is that accurate?
No. You should stick with loop-to-loop. This is not a trout fishing video. 0
Sooo. If I tie a perfection loop, does it transfer the same energy as the welded loop? Or do I snell every leader from this point forward? Sorry in advance!
@@chubbycarter3776 Be sure to watch part 2 of this video and Brian answers most of your questions. If not, feel free to call him or email him. He’s always happy to help. Thanks!!
My grandfather hated to use knots when tying a leader on a a fly line. He suggested and always used fly line eyelets, my grandfather could also tie Snell knots but the eyelets we're his go to, I recently got back into fly fishing and had to order eyelets, I have never tried any other way than how I was taught at the age of 12 and am now 30, since I have have 2 fly rods now I will have to rig them both up differently and see if I can feel a difference.. But I will also have to try a welded loop since I have never used the I suppose modern easier method.
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Brilliant video 🇬🇧🇺🇸
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This is a wonderful video! I have a #8 Airflo C.A.S.T. line (Canadian Atlantic Salmon Taper) and the built-in welded loop broke after a year. I tried this exact knot after searching for "nailless nail knots" on UA-cam. Unfortunately, each time I tightened up, the 30# leader cut right through the fly line; first the coating, like a wire stripper, and then the core as well! After six attempts and losing over a foot of fly line, I gave up and went to my local shop. They installed one of those Chinese finger trap loop sections, which saved the fly line, but is very stiff, particularly where they lashed it down with heavy tying thread. I'm too scared to try this knot again! Do you think this is particular to Airflo lines? Thanks again for these informative videos!
Thanks for watching. Best to contact the folks at the shop with your questions and they will be happy to help. You can call them or e-mail them and they will get you fixed up.
@@Madriveroutfitters Thanks. I'm looking forward to the rest of this series!
Same issue for me. I'm on attempt number three with RIO Permit line. WIth the past two attempts the butt section snell knot cut right through the line. After cutting off the loop I hope I' not screwed!
Yikes I was just about to cut my loops off.
Awesome video Brian
Thanks for watching.
I live alone the northern St. John’s river and would love to fly fish more here. Where along the rivers were you guys? And what were you targeting?
Not sure on that but feel free to contact Brian at the shop. He could probably fill you in.
I think it would be awesome to hook Mr Pallot up with the slow mo guys and get some high quality video of a fly line working through a cast.
Stay tuned!
All affirmation👍
Can’t make a Best presentations with maker made loop😄
As Flip says, they are pretty evil.
@@Madriveroutfitters nice naming😆 If set with poly leaders that I think effective 😄 It can make a smooth presentation 👍
@@TezukuriLure agreed. We have some videos coming on that exact subject. Thanks.