I remember music lessons in the early 80's, we were encouraged to create the sounds of the wind, animals, space. it captured my imagination. One of the most important lessons in music, imagination
Stunning footage and so important! Recalling my study of A-level Music - we had zero access to things like this, that was during the 90s. By the time i went onto University, everything was so tech based, i feel i missed out on an important hands on exposure to the creation of sound. I teach kids Music, and i'm well aware that for some, it's just a complete doss around. I wonder if children realise the value, the social and cultural purpose of music....
I agree so much. I am even trying right now to decide if I can be accepted to do a PhD and include this film and similar groups as part of a research plan; books, films, and so on. Brian Dennis has so sadly passed on. I have no idea if anyone continued as his protégé. I wish I could figure that out.
The experimental theatre piece about cholera gets super intense at the end! I see echoes of early film like Batteship Potempkin, mask/dance work of Oskar Schlemmer and the Bread & Puppet Theater, electronic soundtracks like Forbidden Planet and the work of John Cage, all made by kids-SO GOOD!
Now thats called breaking the old conservatory musical rigors. Expanding the instruments beyond what they are/where expected to be used for. Brilliant and pioneering stuff especially incorporating the creative minds of youth. Eno got the hint!
in a society that promotes this kind of learning, it was obvious that they would end up having Aphex Twins, Cabaret Voltaires, Autechres, Adrian Sherwoods...
Now this is when I Love interwebs! Finally shown. Angst is not dangerous, neither are bizarre, strange cluster noises. Sound-pictures gives clues to creative and central idéas on how to rehearsal and organize sound material and develop storytelling. Sir Roy Cooper You are a HERO. You seem so encouraging. Peter Fletcher, Brian Dennis you are certainly too.
This film is an incredible look into the style that Brian Dennis sought to enable children to access music in such a creative, provocative avant-garde style. It’s important that we can still do this, albeit beyond what schools and modern education (which is now dumbed downed greatly) currently teaches. Timeless and very powerful creativity.
I was in the BBC school programme Making Music back in early sixties. I went to Ridgeway Primary School I have a photo but would love to see any footage. Think it ran for at least six weeks. Fond memories meeting the Blue Peter team
I always think, go around with recorder. Record a lot of interesting sounds. Use a sampler or similar device/software to make music with. You can augment the recorded sound with synths or anything else you fancy. Many years ago, people did this sort of thing with tape, and it's much easier now.
Thats nice :-) Its so much better than all this "singing the same old boring songs" and the helpless "letting pupils play ordinary instruments in old fashioned ways". I know what I`m saying as I had to work as a school`s music teacher for some years, always having the books of the great Gertrude Meyer Denkmann in my head ...
I've transcribed a short excerpt of talk covertly recorded during class. "What are we doing here? Seriously, what the fuck are we doing here? All I know is I better get an A for this shit. Billy, you're in tune. Sorry professor. Is he crazy? I don't know. I think he might be into to some pretty heavy drugs." When these students were confronted with this tape, they promptly submitted it as a class project under the title "Concerto for Elephants" and were rewarded an A.
+Tom McRand... hi dude... not always although specific funds are often allocated depending on the school system. For instance a high school near us is a train wreck with regards to many aspects of education yet they do have quite an advanced music program which is a good thing for the very few kids who are intellectually advanced and have an interest... the rest of them listen to crap on their devices and cop sum rock-bottom attitudes.
@@dorlec01 well if it is real I do apologise. Its just I know that most of these intro clocks are fake as I made a few for folks to use in the Uk back in the day, and everyone seems to be doing it now. Incidentally an edited sound bootleg vinyl LP of the Shoreditch film was in circulation here in the UK about 20 years ago
I find this sort of pathetic. If they are to teach them music, teach tgem classical music or contemporary music of back then like jazz, boogie woogie, rock 'n' roll, and etcetera.
I'm guessing you're not really familiar with music concrete then, which is what this is. It actually falls under the category of contemporary music and if you study music in school you would learn about music concrete along with other contemporary music as well as jazz, classical, romantic and barock. However when it comes to rock n' roll its not really covered because its not really considered "art" music which is usually what formal institutions would teach.
I live in the US, my parents though that by exposing me to classical music, they would make me "appreciate" it and "give up that silly noise!" Only made me a BIGGER rock fan!!
I remember music lessons in the early 80's, we were encouraged to create the sounds of the wind, animals, space. it captured my imagination. One of the most important lessons in music, imagination
Stunning footage and so important! Recalling my study of A-level Music - we had zero access to things like this, that was during the 90s. By the time i went onto University, everything was so tech based, i feel i missed out on an important hands on exposure to the creation of sound. I teach kids Music, and i'm well aware that for some, it's just a complete doss around. I wonder if children realise the value, the social and cultural purpose of music....
I agree so much. I am even trying right now to decide if I can be accepted to do a PhD and include this film and similar groups as part of a research plan; books, films, and so on. Brian Dennis has so sadly passed on. I have no idea if anyone continued as his protégé. I wish I could figure that out.
The experimental theatre piece about cholera gets super intense at the end! I see echoes of early film like Batteship Potempkin, mask/dance work of Oskar Schlemmer and the Bread & Puppet Theater, electronic soundtracks like Forbidden Planet and the work of John Cage, all made by kids-SO GOOD!
actually way ahead of it's time.
Now thats called breaking the old conservatory musical rigors. Expanding the instruments beyond what they are/where expected to be used for. Brilliant and pioneering stuff especially incorporating the creative minds of youth. Eno got the hint!
in a society that promotes this kind of learning, it was obvious that they would end up having Aphex Twins, Cabaret Voltaires, Autechres, Adrian Sherwoods...
Used to. Not any more. Only in very expensive private schools.
More likely (by the dates) create a bunch of people that Aphex, Autechres, and Sherwoods would be listening to. (Gavin Bryars et.al. )
hey, we got james ferraro, oneohtrix point never, and a few other neat wacko musicians. those are they two that come to my mind though.
Now this is when I Love interwebs! Finally shown. Angst is not dangerous, neither are bizarre, strange cluster noises. Sound-pictures gives clues to creative and central idéas on how to rehearsal and organize sound material and develop storytelling. Sir Roy Cooper You are a HERO. You seem so encouraging. Peter Fletcher, Brian Dennis you are certainly too.
This film is an incredible look into the style that Brian Dennis sought to enable children to access music in such a creative, provocative avant-garde style. It’s important that we can still do this, albeit beyond what schools and modern education (which is now dumbed downed greatly) currently teaches. Timeless and very powerful creativity.
I was in the BBC school programme Making Music back in early sixties. I went to Ridgeway Primary School I have a photo but would love to see any footage. Think it ran for at least six weeks. Fond memories meeting the Blue Peter team
what photo? of music like this?
great to see there are always adventurous teachers around
blessed by the algorithm. Thank you for sharing this!
THAT LAD ON THE REELS IS A CHAMP
Agreed. Anyone have any idea what machine it might be?
This is great. All kids should go here!
Sadly, there's no space allotted for anything like this now. Creativity teaching will in future be restricted to accounting alone.
in the USA it's all sports, but yes the same
I always think, go around with recorder. Record a lot of interesting sounds. Use a sampler or similar device/software to make music with. You can augment the recorded sound with synths or anything else you fancy. Many years ago, people did this sort of thing with tape, and it's much easier now.
Musique concrète " I believe
“heat, radiation, and relentlessness”
Really powerful ending
piece sounds like something by This Heat
Those kids are like "what the fuck am I doing here.."
Great document. Thank you
Never had any music lessons like this at school or college.
When did they take the acid?
I was waiting for a sign in life for me to trip balls on acid. Stumbled across this video and gonna watch it peaking hard.
Wish I'd gone there.
This is amazing
love it!!
Summer of '69, but the cool one I would've wanted.
very inspiring - great job
wonderful!
Wonderful.
This is way ahead of its time, quite unbelievably fantastic.
Ima go listen to Bodysong after this
I wonder did Stephen Stapelton of Nurse With Wound go to this school?
darkdubh
We all would have liked to be in that class...
lucky generation, great school and teachers
Now we know why Shoreditch has ended up the way it is now. ;)
awesome.. !!
I’d like to know if any of these kids went into a career in music in some way.
Percusion is basic of the other symphony so if have a good percusion will encouraged that band.Mimicking nature is the best playing music
Further proof that with all that acid around, more or less everybody got contact high by the end of the sixties
How amazing.
Thats nice :-) Its so much better than all this "singing the same old boring songs" and the helpless "letting pupils play ordinary instruments in old fashioned ways". I know what I`m saying as I had to work as a school`s music teacher for some years, always having the books of the great Gertrude Meyer Denkmann in my head ...
Michael Gove should be forced to watch this. Clockwork Orange style.
YESSS!!!!! Love it!!
I reckon the teachers were influenced by Stockhausen and Carlos, but never got as far as White Noise
A young Johnny Rotten on the right of the younger kids group during recording playback perhaps?
he went to catholic school
I've transcribed a short excerpt of talk covertly recorded during class. "What are we doing here? Seriously, what the fuck are we doing here? All I know is I better get an A for this shit. Billy, you're in tune. Sorry professor. Is he crazy? I don't know. I think he might be into to some pretty heavy drugs." When these students were confronted with this tape, they promptly submitted it as a class project under the title "Concerto for Elephants" and were rewarded an A.
Awesome!
Brian Dennis' hair is just as experimental as the music.
brilliant!!
Wow!
So this is what school was like for my parents
fkkn great
yes!
I can't watch these old documentaries/studio discussions without thinking of Monty Python (e. g. Gavin Milarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
this could be a the day today sketch
Cool-tural :)
This is pretty wild imho
Joyce Grenfell at 12:55 :)
genial!
to my grandmother.
? "tell me more"
From the days of the visionary Inner London Education Authority. As destroyed by Margaret Thatcher in the early 1990s.
Samples for days...
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I'm afraid that after having seen "Look Around You", I can't take this seriously.. continuously looking for something ridiculous to happen.
As if Experimental Music were not something already in the genre...
you mean something like looking at the BBC News
BBC News has been material for parody since long before the Pythons did it "way back when"!
experimental music has the right to children
this is really incredible. do they still do this for kids?
+Tom McRand... hi dude... not always although specific funds are often allocated depending on the school system. For instance a high school near us is a train wreck with regards to many aspects of education yet they do have quite an advanced music program which is a good thing for the very few kids who are intellectually advanced and have an interest... the rest of them listen to crap on their devices and cop sum rock-bottom attitudes.
muybuena!
Dave, what's the story behind this?
Sign me up
nice haircut
Deiv Muzztein it's obviously a wig
Brian Dennis has dat haircut
Too bad creativity has now been cancelled.
"Music picture."
FUKKING HAIRCUTTT!!!!!
Theses fake Programme cue countdown clocks really get on my nerves. Everyone knows they're fake so why bother
sorry to disappoint - its real
@@dorlec01 well if it is real I do apologise. Its just I know that most of these intro clocks are fake as I made a few for folks to use in the Uk back in the day, and everyone seems to be doing it now. Incidentally an edited sound bootleg vinyl LP of the Shoreditch film was in circulation here in the UK about 20 years ago
I find this sort of pathetic. If they are to teach them music, teach tgem classical music or contemporary music of back then like jazz, boogie woogie, rock 'n' roll, and etcetera.
WET AMANDA Ok
I'm guessing you're not really familiar with music concrete then, which is what this is. It actually falls under the category of contemporary music and if you study music in school you would learn about music concrete along with other contemporary music as well as jazz, classical, romantic and barock. However when it comes to rock n' roll its not really covered because its not really considered "art" music which is usually what formal institutions would teach.
I live in the US, my parents though that by exposing me to classical music, they would make me "appreciate" it and "give up that silly noise!"
Only made me a BIGGER rock fan!!
Lol
emphasis on boogie woogie