Imagine breaking into some semi famous youtuber with a funny beards house and you just hear screaming in broken french followed by a very mechanical "KA-CHUNK"
Also maybe military history tied to certain alcohols or mixes? Greg already likes to discuss the origin and context, so if there are any tied more heavily into military actions or necessity of environment?
Also, bottlenecked rounds have historically proven less than perfect in revolvers, at least high pressure ones. They tend to push back more than straight walled cases so the spent brass drags against the breech face and makes rotating the cylinder more difficult.
Losing part of the rifle while out riding would be an utter nightmare. You wouldn't even know till you got the thing off your back and you might have ridden twenty miles since the thing fell out. Cheers for the upload Ian.
I can't remember the movie but I know i saw one where a bad guy kicks in someone's front door only to find some old guy sitting on the tripod of a Maxim, helmet and all grinning maniacally as he opens up on the guy.
Now Harry Turtledove needs to write a follow up to guns of the south, where a mysterious time traveller with a tidy goatee supplies the French army with Ppsh41s.
He also looks remarkably similar to the mysterious figure that supplied them with 7.5x54mm MAS-36 rifles and MAC-24/29 light machine guns back in 1893.
I can sympathise with the French cavalry searching for their bolt plugs after searching for Steyr AUG gas parts that get dislodged in dense trees. Just like Ian said, NCOs yelling ‘we’re not going anywhere until numbnuts finds his gas plug.’ Fond memories.
I had a boss who was in an MG34 crew in the early 80s, he said when they got them they had been in storage for years, had a lot of problems with parts shearing.
I have spent the last 6 months rebuilding a Wildey myself, and in the process I actually got to talk quite a bit with one of the former designers of the gun. He had some very cool stories rangin from the set of Death Wish 3 to obscure metalurgy manufacturing details. If you are interested in doing such an interview, I can provide contact details.
30:00 Your comment about just getting used to shooting right handed reminded me of my hockey stick. When I was in grade school, perhaps fourth or fifth grade, dad took me to buy a hockey stick. We had no idea that there were right and left handed sticks. Naturally I picked a left handed stick despite me being right handed. To this day I shoot and play much better left handed than right handed! I just got used to it.
As far as I can remember, Norway had a mix of MG34 and MG42 machine guns after the war but a deal was made where we traded our 42s for 34s with the fledgling Bundeswehr. The Germans wanted to standardise on the 42 in a modernised variant, and a trade was agreed upon so both countries could standardise on something instead of both having a mix in service. As for the failure of the NATO conversion of the 34, I've heard from people who took part in that program that a problem was loss of institutional knowledge on how to run the 34 properly. Keeping these running in all sorts of field units takes a fair amount of maintenance and a special sulphur-bearing lubricant, units had been gradually losing the knowledge of how to properly operate those guns over a few generations so even unmodified guns in good condition were having problems in the field. So maybe the conversion to 7.62 NATO wasn't bad in itself, it was more of a training issue. Remember, at the time we had a conscript army and no real NCO corps to maintain the knowledge of the practical details that weren't found in manuals.
25:08 Ian: "My home defense gun is a Maxim..." Me: "holy sh*t Ian uses a Maxim Machinegun as a home defense gun!!!" Ian: "Silencerco maxim nine" Me: "ohhhhhhh"
I was part of troop training for a new artillery piece for the Army. We did take the guns out for weeks/months and absolutely discovered unforseen problems. Loved this video
It is encouraging to hear that parts kits will still be coming in. There are even some AK-12 and AK-15 kits showing up on forums and such. Maybe the future of the US surplus market is going to be increasingly parts-kits based. Maybe not so bad if we can use additive manufacturing (mainly sintered laser printing) to make more complex receivers in small batches
We're going on 21 - 22 years since the cartridge was released, and it definitely has a following, but the one thing that would establish it as a major innovation hasn't really happened yet. That thing would be its adoption by a major LE user. Until that happens it will remain a niche cartridge. It's an excellent cartridge, a huge improvement over the .32 H&R Mag. I enjoy shooting and reloading for it. It'd be nice to see a few more manufacturers offer more models to choose from. A reputable maker with an 8" barrel version would make a heck of a Deer gun.
Hey Ian, I always love watching all your videos. You're probably 30% or more of my UA-cam consumption. I appreciate the passion and knowledge you bring to the subject of firearms and I feel like you do a great job representing your views - and you make very enjoyable content.
"They don't want me running off with it if it's perhaps a FAMAS..." Imagine the chaos that would ensue if in the full auto famas video Ian ran off with it at the end, and 6 months later he says he now owns a fully automatic famas.
ian: "after the end of world war 2--" my brain: "the world was split into two, east and west, this marked the beginning of the era called the cold war"
33:16 I usually think of it as, if I was to stick a stick down the barrel, without the barrel moving relative to the gun, will the stick go further in or is it stuck as if solid. If latter, locked. If former, blowback of some sort.
I feel sorry for the CSI personnel who have to examine the corpse of whoever trespassed at Ian's house: There was no sound of gunshots, the corpse had wounds of unknown (and forgotten) calibers ... and the last sentence of the deceased was "sacrebleu ! "
I appreciate the mental image of CSI desperately attempting to identify the model of the murder weapon, but it’s actually a one off prototype with unique ammunition and Ian stuffed the only surviving copy in an airtight box underground in a sand dune
Italian mg-42/59 (7,62 Nato) have a modified bolt that lowers the cyclic rof down to around 800rpm. They’re nicknamed Maria Grazia by the troops and are still in widespread use as a gpmg. Sf guys tipically use 7,62x51 minimis instead but are often still trained on the old mg-42/59. The reception from what I gathered is -> reliable, powerful but SO heavy and cumbersome to slog around
Excellent presentation as always Ian. If I may make one small remark concerning the MG42 topic: modern drone technology as well as the use of light attack aircraft such as the Super Tucano has made the use of machine guns in the anti-aircraft role relevant again. In my opinion it will only increase in importance.
Against drones, I expect high power jamming, not guns. I'm talking about enough power to smoke the drone, burn out the electronics. That's probably 1000+watts. A Super Tucano is not effective in a full combat environment. It's a great Counter-insurgency plane. But against opposition that has Stingers or SA7s, it's skeet.
Nice answer on the troop trials. I was in the army for a few years and going out in the field and making sure all your gear works together is very important. Each soldier has a certain way they like to setup their gear and training with new weapons/equipment allows them to reorganize their battle rattle. For instance when we deployed to Iraq we were giving the Interceptor vests which didn’t really work with the LBE gear we had previously. Unfortunately we didn’t get much training time before deploying and had to learn how to reorganize our gear while on patrols.
Ian please include pictures with these talks if they are available it would help with following the narrative. you have one of the most interesting programs on yt
To the point no spitzer bullets in handguns: Another important point is stabilisation. Shorter bullets need less stabilisation than longer. And when a bullet leaves the muzzle, this stabilisation is achieved in some distance of the muzzle. And that is the reason, why rifle bullets could have a deeper penetration at longer distances. Gen. Julian S. Hatcher conducted some tests in the book "Hatchers Notebook". On the other hand, as Ian said, pistol bullets are mostly used on short distance, an the stabilisation problem is better solved with a big diameter, short bullet.
Revolving Rifles are actually quite popular in Australia, where they are far easier to obtain for your average shooter than that of a 10/22 or any other semi-automatic rifle (of which are almost impossible to acquire). They allow shooters in restrictive countries to own a legal quasi semi-auto.
As a fellow left hander I also don't need a Left hand modern weapon. I am accustomed to adapting. The only time a left hander weapon might have been needed was in the flintlock days when the pan location would need to be on the left to keep the flash away from the face.
You know, I never thought about the differences in handgun and rifle calibers, and why the former tend to be larger, but it's so obvious now that you explain it.
You should really find a way to do a rifle/musket + sword-bayonet video with Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria). Your Knowledge sets would be very commentary for a weapon-set which was meant to be used together, but whose enthusiasts have diverged into separate groups in recent decades.
Hi, Ian, great vid as always, just to let you know that Portugal also used the MG3, I have a picture of my dad posing with one shooting from the hip taken in 73, while he was in Guinea-Bissau, way before rambo did it :) btw, when I was conscripted in 2000 we were still using it, thx for all the great vids.
Exactly. If it wasnt for the AP capacity, the round would have been dead on arrival. Even the .22 TCM is loaded with round nose, it takes a special application to justify that weird kind of round.
The question about auction lots: the exception is where you have two people who are each the only person who want two different items. They end up bidding each other up if they are in a single lot but get "their" item on the first bid if they are separate. (Which by the way is true other kinds of auctions as well.)
Yes, there is the 5.7, but it wasn't built as a handgun round. It was made as a PDW round first. It's about like calling the .30 Carbine a pistol round because there are a couple of pistols that happen to be chambered for it. Edit: and it's also a *really* long grip. I have decent sized hands (4" across the knuckles, can span an octave on the piano), and it was a reach for me to get my finger on the trigger.
@@MaaveMaave Pistol energy but still based on rifle style cartridge ballistics. Light bullet, with enough powder to make it shoot quite flat for a pistol/PDW. Additionally, because of the ballistics, it penetrates a lot of things better than 9mm, as intended.
Thanks for answering my questions. After seeing the C&Rsenals two episodes on the Madsen 1905 I have to agree, setting up a brand new production line for that gun would be a pain in the rear. Even if the german spies managed to get their hands on the data package.
40:45 The German army uses a five chamber revolver cannon, the Mauser BK-27, on planes and ships in preference over something like the M61 Gatling-type gun the US uses in similar applications. Reason being that while the M61 has a much higher sustained rate of fire but being mechanically operated it takes time to spin up. The BK-27 is gas operated so does not need to spool up and as a consequence during the typically short bursts (0.5sec) these things are used in during combat the Mauser throws twice as much lead at the enemy than the M61.
I had the opportunity to shoot some SMG's and Machine guns in Poland last year. One of the Machine guns was an MG 42..and given my impression just from having seen pictures of it... I was actually shocked by the WEIGHT. That really is quite a heavy gun!
@@not-a-theist8251 : I know, that the ,Deutsch - Französische Krieg' or, 70er Krieg' is called so in english language countries, it was just to note the prussian allies.
Another problem with a revolver rifle is having all the holes of the cylinder open and just waiting to be filled with dirt and mud. This is not really a problem for sporting use, but for military use, with soldier throwing themselves on the ground and crawling through the muck, the gun would get clogged and made useless very quickly.
@@ostiariusalpha By the time these revolver rifles were around, the post Civil War US Cavalry had gone back to using horse mounted troops more as Dragoons rather than pure cavalry. So back to the problems.
@@barttorbert5031 Revolver rifles pre-date the U.S. Civil War, so they perfectly well could have fired them from horseback; and in fact, Colt revolver rifles were carried by the pre-war Pony Express riders for just such use. And dragoons may dismount to fire, but they were entirely too proud to "crawl through muck" as you previously commented. The chambers would have remained pretty clean.
@@ostiariusalpha I do now remember that one post Civil War US Cavalry regiment (which one slips my mind at the moment) did try revolver rifles. But the troopers were really freaked out about not being able to hold the rifle past the cylinder with their non-trigger hand to avoid chain firing and being burned. One trick was to rotate the loading lever down onto an empty chamber and hold onto it. It just never worked. I have to push back on the comment about "too proud to crawl through the muck". Look at all the illustrations of the cavalry in the Indian wars. Get down behind a bush or a rock to keep from being shot.
I was in a small castle (Just a tower really) in Rye, Kent, UK. One of the items on display is a small revolver that could swap out the cylinder to accommodate black powder rounds or a metallic cartridge case. If my memory is reliable (don't bet on it) it was in .32, made in the 1880s, and was displayed in its original box with cleaning kit and other stuff. Have you seen anything like this?
I bought that Kyro Whiskey for my dad for fathers day after I saw you recommend it in the last video, and I gotta say, that is one of the most unique Rye Whiskey's Ive ever had. It slaps you right in the face with Rye.
Holy crap looking for lost mas 36 bolt plugs during training sounds too familiar. In basic training we had to look for a firing pin retaining pin in a massive pit of shredded rubber. It was the company exercise area. Took us a weekend but we found it.
If you could get your hands on them I’d love to see you break down some modern rifles like the SCAR or M27 IAR, either on forgotten weapons or In Range.
If you had the full kit for a unit with MG42 the kit had springs, boosters and bolt parts to change the cyclic rate up and down from 600 rpm to 1,200. It seems only some units were able and willing to keep the kits and then use them where lower rates would have advantageous.
In World War One I think there were also a lot of people early on who thought they needed weapons immediately because they thought the war would end soon.
Adding on th the second to last question 1:03:15 if given 60+ years of refinement as refinement as the M16/AR15 has what infantry rifle from the first or second or even the cold war do you think would have beaten the AR or the AK 🤔 I think maybe the FAL had it been in an intermediate cartridge.
51:20 I would add that drag is proportional to square of velocity, so lowering drag coefficient gives you significantly more when bullet is travelling at 800 m/s than when it's traveling at 350 m/s. The benefits are kinda not worth it for a gun that's being shot at 25m.
I may be wrong here, but I thought the MG-1 was a 42 manufactured in 7.62 NATO, the MG-2 was an existing 8mm MG-42 converted to 7.62 NATO, and that the MG-3 was an improvement that among other things reduced the rate of fire
The very nature of the round proves the point. The 5.7 sacrified sensability for armour penetration. Without AP, everyone would have scoffed at the 5.7 instead of almost everyone scoffing at it. (It's also techcally not a handgun round, but frankly I consider it one so to me that'd be a moot point.)
You're the 2nd source that's stated the MG-34 was preferred over the MG-42 by post war forces, but you're explanation as to "why" is much more in depth Ian. I don't recall the title of the book I read about that in, as it was many years ago.
23:09 Mk 23 is actually not a bad choice. #1 Handguns. You have a hand free if you need to leave your safe room to get your children, or any reason. Use a phone. Open doors. Engage at arms length. #2 23:16 It's not a carry gun. You want the most _'gun'_ you can possibly have in that hand, with the most weight to make it as manageable as possible. I'd take a heavy competition handgun over a featherweight 9mm. #3 23:22 Silencer? Subsonic? the Mk 23 is rated for .45 super... 230 grains easily on the edge of supersonic. .45 ACP is 850fps. 67% more energy out of the Mk 23 than a .45 acp. It's heavy for a reason. I don't much care for subsonic .300 blackout ice picking. Expanding .45 doing its job at its intended velocity and design parameters? Yes. You're not really beating that, especially pushed to the sound barrier. With the double stacked carry options out there today... I wouldn't be surprised to see a return to high firepower handguns for any non-carry option.
Yeah, that's UA-cam's new(-ish) chapter feature. If you have timestamps in the description, it'll do that automatically. An actual positive update to the UA-cam interface.
Hi Ian, if you add to your description "0:00:00 - Intro", the youtube video should end up having chapters in the progress bar making it easier to see which question you're currently answering!
Having put a few out myself, I look forward to your Wildey video. I believe the big problem yours had at the back up match was failure to get the gun tuned to the ammo. I find one needs to do at least 200 rounds of a specific load of Wildey (in either caliber) before one can say I have adjusted the gas feed so that the gun works perfectly with this specific cartridge. Of course any variation whatsoever in primer, powder type and charge, or bullet design and weight necessitates a whole new 200 round test and adjustment of gas port. It isn't in tune yet if you can't rapid fire 3 full magazines. 2.5 magazines means you need to do more fiddling. That .45 Win Mag or 9mm Win mag ammo is expensive must be viewed as irrelevant and of much lower priority to finding the correct gas port setting. It should be noted that disassembly and cleaning may also necessitate a new sequence of gas port adjustment. This may be a factor in why the gun was not adopted as a military service pistol by someone. Cost and weight become less important than issues of consistent reliability. :)
I get the joke but it's really what happens when way too many people put way too much thought into a set of requirements and a company goes above and beyond to actually meet them.
@@jameshealy4594 At *checks wikipedia* 16.5 inches long with the KAC suppressor and a weight of up to 5 pounds (full magazine, suppressor, and LAM), it really does have the size and weight of a pretty respectable club
@@jameshealy4594 yeah, the gun is just not very great. But only because it was made exactly to fit a weird standard, and HK damn sure met that standard. It was the best possible outcome of that project.
@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 It is actually a great gun, and was beloved by many Navy SEAL teams; just not found to be quite as useful for its intended purpose as an SBR, for instance, to most other SOCOM units.
I like the idea of Ian using a Maxim HMG for home defense.
That's the Maxim that I'm most familiar with by name so I had the same record scratch moment when he started talking about it.
@@nicholasresar same here, then googled it and it's a scifi silenced hand gun :')
If you’re not manning the machine gun nest of your home 24/7 wtf are you even doing
@@randompanda876 Certainly won't have any repeat offenders.
Imagine breaking into some semi famous youtuber with a funny beards house and you just hear screaming in broken french followed by a very mechanical "KA-CHUNK"
A lot of MG 34's got surplused to the Galactic Empire where they were converted to DLT-19 Heavy Blaster Rifles
I mean, if an execution-happy generalissimo ordered _me_ to let someone escape, I would probably aim _very carefully_ at something else.
@@mysss29 under rated comment lol
I heard that’s where surplus Lewis guns also go
There are a bunch of cocktails named after guns. You talk about the gun. Greg talks about the cocktail. DOne.
Forgotten Cocktails. Boom.
Also maybe military history tied to certain alcohols or mixes? Greg already likes to discuss the origin and context, so if there are any tied more heavily into military actions or necessity of environment?
Please we need this
Simple: Cocktails of DD’s nightclub in Shanghai. It fits with Greg’s love of prohibition-era cocktails.
This sounds amazing!
The fact that the Maxim 9 is your HD piece is just endlessly badass for some reason.
Had the same thought. Purely nerd badassery.
“They don’t want me to run off with it if it’s perhaps a Famas.” 🤣 1:03:08
That one legitimately made me laugh.
A legitimate concern I should imagine!
Viewer: “ why weren’t gas seal revolving rifles a thing?”
Ian: “ look, nobody’s going to run around with uncircumcised rifle ammo”
.....lol....then there was the Nagant revolver in the 1890s
Also, bottlenecked rounds have historically proven less than perfect in revolvers, at least high pressure ones. They tend to push back more than straight walled cases so the spent brass drags against the breech face and makes rotating the cylinder more difficult.
I laughed a lot more than I thought I would.
Also nobody wants 25 lb manual hammers or trigger pulls
@@Kaboomf ...so turn speedloaders into pressure-bearing parts of the gun? WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG
Losing part of the rifle while out riding would be an utter nightmare. You wouldn't even know till you got the thing off your back and you might have ridden twenty miles since the thing fell out. Cheers for the upload Ian.
Ian back in time: Buy the Hotchkiss, Buy more of them, Train with them.
French High Command: THIS ISN’T ÉLAN!
Germans: *Employ the machine gun to devastating effect*
French High Command: That wasn't very elán of you.
"But this sub-machine gun thing? A weapon which is at its best when you vigorously assault the enemy and fight him at close-quarters? THAT is élan!"
@@fruitbat4429 It's fine as long as it has a bayonet lug.
@@janwacawik7432 And a rifle grenade launcher. This is France after all
@@wingracer1614 Of course. Folding stock and magwell might be desired as well.
Someone please make a meme out of "For the record, my home defense gun is a Maxim"
I can't remember the movie but I know i saw one where a bad guy kicks in someone's front door only to find some old guy sitting on the tripod of a Maxim, helmet and all grinning maniacally as he opens up on the guy.
@@wingracer1614 Not Johnny Knoxville in the Arnie flick where Arnie's a small town sheriff on the border with Mexico?
I wonder does Ian have it in a sandbag emplacement facing his front door?
@@johnegan7622 the last stand, that was a good movie in terms of the gun fight at the end
Umm breaking into Ian’s house “ what flavour of lead would sir like, and would you like that in individual serves or in bulk”
Now Harry Turtledove needs to write a follow up to guns of the south, where a mysterious time traveller with a tidy goatee supplies the French army with Ppsh41s.
He also looks remarkably similar to the mysterious figure that supplied them with 7.5x54mm MAS-36 rifles and MAC-24/29 light machine guns back in 1893.
Holy shit ......yes. I love The Turtledove.
I can sympathise with the French cavalry searching for their bolt plugs after searching for Steyr AUG gas parts that get dislodged in dense trees. Just like Ian said, NCOs yelling ‘we’re not going anywhere until numbnuts finds his gas plug.’ Fond memories.
I had a boss who was in an MG34 crew in the early 80s, he said when they got them they had been in storage for years, had a lot of problems with parts shearing.
You've got a loyal viewer base mate, from all over the world.
Keep up the great content, and thanks for the enjoyable viewing.
I have spent the last 6 months rebuilding a Wildey myself, and in the process I actually got to talk quite a bit with one of the former designers of the gun. He had some very cool stories rangin from the set of Death Wish 3 to obscure metalurgy manufacturing details. If you are interested in doing such an interview, I can provide contact details.
Do that
“They don’t want me running off if it’s a FAMAS…” I almost spilled my drink laughing at that. Definitely an Ian trademark.
30:00 Your comment about just getting used to shooting right handed reminded me of my hockey stick. When I was in grade school, perhaps fourth or fifth grade, dad took me to buy a hockey stick. We had no idea that there were right and left handed sticks. Naturally I picked a left handed stick despite me being right handed. To this day I shoot and play much better left handed than right handed! I just got used to it.
Ian: "my home defense gun is a maxim"
Me: "wait, what?
You and 148,000+ other people.
As far as I can remember, Norway had a mix of MG34 and MG42 machine guns after the war but a deal was made where we traded our 42s for 34s with the fledgling Bundeswehr. The Germans wanted to standardise on the 42 in a modernised variant, and a trade was agreed upon so both countries could standardise on something instead of both having a mix in service.
As for the failure of the NATO conversion of the 34, I've heard from people who took part in that program that a problem was loss of institutional knowledge on how to run the 34 properly. Keeping these running in all sorts of field units takes a fair amount of maintenance and a special sulphur-bearing lubricant, units had been gradually losing the knowledge of how to properly operate those guns over a few generations so even unmodified guns in good condition were having problems in the field. So maybe the conversion to 7.62 NATO wasn't bad in itself, it was more of a training issue. Remember, at the time we had a conscript army and no real NCO corps to maintain the knowledge of the practical details that weren't found in manuals.
25:08
Ian: "My home defense gun is a Maxim..."
Me: "holy sh*t Ian uses a Maxim Machinegun as a home defense gun!!!"
Ian: "Silencerco maxim nine"
Me: "ohhhhhhh"
It's official, we need to push for some kind of Ian and Dan Carlin podcast. Ian would be a great interview guest on Hardcore History Addendum podcast.
Yes! MAKE IT HAPPEN JESUS!
Totally agreed!
Warlord era china podcast
Dan is dealing with history on a huge macro level. Ian is focussed on hardware I can’t see the relationship. Both are interesting in their own fields.
@@bobcervante3801 STOP MAKING SENSE BOB! YOU'RE RUING MY FANTASY!
When I see the Q&A I know today is a good day!
I was part of troop training for a new artillery piece for the Army. We did take the guns out for weeks/months and absolutely discovered unforseen problems. Loved this video
Nice to see one of Garand Thumb's past lives show up in the thumbnail.
Hes traveling through time to stop Ron Jeremy
white people: "Asians all look the same!"
Meanwhile white people: *Literally same person in all of history*
"They wouldnt want me running off with--"
I think Ian has enough credibility that it wou--
"Perhaps say a FAMAS."
Oh, ok, yea, I can see that.
It is encouraging to hear that parts kits will still be coming in. There are even some AK-12 and AK-15 kits showing up on forums and such. Maybe the future of the US surplus market is going to be increasingly parts-kits based. Maybe not so bad if we can use additive manufacturing (mainly sintered laser printing) to make more complex receivers in small batches
As one of the guys who has be “on line” looking for a lost piece of gear in a training area, I had a chuckle at the bolt plug anecdote.
Ian mentioned .327 Federal! I can’t believe it. .327 needs more attention. It’s an excellent round.
6 shots in a J frame is a solid 20% capacity increase, AND allows half moon clips to be used. Its a pretty great round.
huh? timestamp?
We're going on 21 - 22 years since the cartridge was released, and it definitely has a following, but the one thing that would establish it as a major innovation hasn't really happened yet. That thing would be its adoption by a major LE user. Until that happens it will remain a niche cartridge.
It's an excellent cartridge, a huge improvement over the .32 H&R Mag. I enjoy shooting and reloading for it. It'd be nice to see a few more manufacturers offer more models to choose from. A reputable maker with an 8" barrel version would make a heck of a Deer gun.
Hey Ian, I always love watching all your videos. You're probably 30% or more of my UA-cam consumption. I appreciate the passion and knowledge you bring to the subject of firearms and I feel like you do a great job representing your views - and you make very enjoyable content.
10:45 Post cold war plenty of coutries also got MG-3:s when they bought surplus German Leopard 2 tanks as well.
I can see Ian and a collector running across the dessert as Ian tries to acquire a new FAMAS....
That would be a mess
Thanks for answering my question. I really love the MG34 and love reading everything I can on it.
Of course Ian casually brought a blaster to the backup gun match
Yes, but it was his _backup_ blaster.
"They don't want me running off with it if it's perhaps a FAMAS..."
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if in the full auto famas video Ian ran off with it at the end, and 6 months later he says he now owns a fully automatic famas.
I imagine Ian running from French rozzers just like the scene in Pirates of the Carribean where Capt. Jack Sparrow running away from the cannibals.
Thanks for the timestamps, much appreciated.
ian: "after the end of world war 2--"
my brain: "the world was split into two, east and west, this marked the beginning of the era called the cold war"
"WHAT?!? METAL GEAR?"
33:16 I usually think of it as, if I was to stick a stick down the barrel, without the barrel moving relative to the gun, will the stick go further in or is it stuck as if solid. If latter, locked. If former, blowback of some sort.
Pretty much.
I feel sorry for the CSI personnel who have to examine the corpse of whoever trespassed at Ian's house: There was no sound of gunshots, the corpse had wounds of unknown (and forgotten) calibers ... and the last sentence of the deceased was "sacrebleu ! "
I appreciate the mental image of CSI desperately attempting to identify the model of the murder weapon, but it’s actually a one off prototype with unique ammunition and Ian stuffed the only surviving copy in an airtight box underground in a sand dune
Loved all the "ados" this was a great watch, some really interesting and fun questions and, as always, great answers from the one and only GJ :-)
Italian mg-42/59 (7,62 Nato) have a modified bolt that lowers the cyclic rof down to around 800rpm. They’re nicknamed Maria Grazia by the troops and are still in widespread use as a gpmg. Sf guys tipically use 7,62x51 minimis instead but are often still trained on the old mg-42/59. The reception from what I gathered is -> reliable, powerful but SO heavy and cumbersome to slog around
Totally forgot to submit a question for this one!
Great as always!
The spitzer bullet in a pistol question kind of blew my mind. For some reason I had never considered that
Thank you for answering my question, I feel much better educated!
Excellent presentation as always Ian. If I may make one small remark concerning the MG42 topic: modern drone technology as well as the use of light attack aircraft such as the Super Tucano has made the use of machine guns in the anti-aircraft role relevant again. In my opinion it will only increase in importance.
Not a bad point you have.
Especially drones
Against drones, I expect high power jamming, not guns. I'm talking about enough power to smoke the drone, burn out the electronics. That's probably 1000+watts.
A Super Tucano is not effective in a full combat environment. It's a great Counter-insurgency plane. But against opposition that has Stingers or SA7s, it's skeet.
Nice answer on the troop trials. I was in the army for a few years and going out in the field and making sure all your gear works together is very important. Each soldier has a certain way they like to setup their gear and training with new weapons/equipment allows them to reorganize their battle rattle. For instance when we deployed to Iraq we were giving the Interceptor vests which didn’t really work with the LBE gear we had previously. Unfortunately we didn’t get much training time before deploying and had to learn how to reorganize our gear while on patrols.
Am I the only one thought, for a split second, that Ian's home defense gun would be "Maxim... Watercooled HMG"
Ian please include pictures with these talks if they are available it would help with following the narrative. you have one of the most interesting programs on yt
To the point no spitzer bullets in handguns:
Another important point is stabilisation. Shorter bullets need less stabilisation than longer. And when a bullet leaves the muzzle, this stabilisation is achieved in some distance of the muzzle. And that is the reason, why rifle bullets could have a deeper penetration at longer distances. Gen. Julian S. Hatcher conducted some tests in the book "Hatchers Notebook".
On the other hand, as Ian said, pistol bullets are mostly used on short distance, an the stabilisation problem is better solved with a big diameter, short bullet.
Revolving Rifles are actually quite popular in Australia, where they are far easier to obtain for your average shooter than that of a 10/22 or any other semi-automatic rifle (of which are almost impossible to acquire). They allow shooters in restrictive countries to own a legal quasi semi-auto.
As a fellow left hander I also don't need a Left hand modern weapon. I am accustomed to adapting. The only time a left hander weapon might have been needed was in the flintlock days when the pan location would need to be on the left to keep the flash away from the face.
You know, I never thought about the differences in handgun and rifle calibers, and why the former tend to be larger, but it's so obvious now that you explain it.
50:40 Answer: See the Colt Walker/Dragoon. They were designed to use a sugarloaf bullet. Their cylinders, in turn, are nearly the size of a grenade.
Thanks for clearing up the definition of bullpup, I’d always heard “trigger in front of the action” and wasn’t sure what exactly was meant by “action”
You should really find a way to do a rifle/musket + sword-bayonet video with Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria). Your Knowledge sets would be very commentary for a weapon-set which was meant to be used together, but whose enthusiasts have diverged into separate groups in recent decades.
I would love to see a forgotten weapons crossover with how to drink , or even with the AK guy . I think both would be entertaining and funny
Hi, Ian, great vid as always, just to let you know that Portugal also used the MG3, I have a picture of my dad posing with one shooting from the hip taken in 73, while he was in Guinea-Bissau, way before rambo did it :) btw, when I was conscripted in 2000 we were still using it, thx for all the great vids.
It was fun watching you very carefully enunciate "Bolt Plugs".
Regarding the spitzer handgun bullets, there are actually, like the FN Five-Seven or Ruger 57 which shoot the spitzer 5.7x28 cartridge.
And having owned a Five-seveN, it's a *very* long grip. Not as wide as my CZ75, but longer.
Exactly.
If it wasnt for the AP capacity, the round would have been dead on arrival. Even the .22 TCM is loaded with round nose, it takes a special application to justify that weird kind of round.
The question about auction lots: the exception is where you have two people who are each the only person who want two different items. They end up bidding each other up if they are in a single lot but get "their" item on the first bid if they are separate. (Which by the way is true other kinds of auctions as well.)
there is one spitzerish hand gun cartridge, the FN 5.7.
me too
Yeah, he was answering the question and I was thinking "wait, and the FN 5.7?"
@@quentintin1 it's pistol energy and sized for a pistol grip, I'd call that a pistol round
Yes, there is the 5.7, but it wasn't built as a handgun round. It was made as a PDW round first.
It's about like calling the .30 Carbine a pistol round because there are a couple of pistols that happen to be chambered for it.
Edit: and it's also a *really* long grip. I have decent sized hands (4" across the knuckles, can span an octave on the piano), and it was a reach for me to get my finger on the trigger.
@@MaaveMaave Pistol energy but still based on rifle style cartridge ballistics. Light bullet, with enough powder to make it shoot quite flat for a pistol/PDW. Additionally, because of the ballistics, it penetrates a lot of things better than 9mm, as intended.
I use my Mark 23 that was milled for an RMR as one of my home defense guns as well as my EDC.
I just think it's neat.
Thanks for answering my questions. After seeing the C&Rsenals two episodes on the Madsen 1905 I have to agree, setting up a brand new production line for that gun would be a pain in the rear. Even if the german spies managed to get their hands on the data package.
40:45 The German army uses a five chamber revolver cannon, the Mauser BK-27, on planes and ships in preference over something like the M61 Gatling-type gun the US uses in similar applications.
Reason being that while the M61 has a much higher sustained rate of fire but being mechanically operated it takes time to spin up. The BK-27 is gas operated so does not need to spool up and as a consequence during the typically short bursts (0.5sec) these things are used in during combat the Mauser throws twice as much lead at the enemy than the M61.
French cocktails with How to Drink would be cool
I had the opportunity to shoot some SMG's and Machine guns in Poland last year. One of the Machine guns was an MG 42..and given my impression just from having seen pictures of it... I was actually shocked by the WEIGHT. That really is quite a heavy gun!
“my home defence gun is a maxim, the 20mm is for door to door salesmen”
So, selling firearms reference books profitably now is like trying to sell Thompson submachine guns profitably in the 1920s and 30s.
the franco prussian war is so cool. Didnt know about the campaign, thaniks for bringing that to my attention
Franco Prussian war? Have you forgotten the soldiers of Bayern, Sachsen, Württemberg, Baden, Hessen- Darmstadt, Oldenburg, Mecklenburg- Schwerin, Mecklenburg- Strelitz, Sachsen- Weimar- Eisenach, Braunschweig, Anhalt, Sachsen - Altenburg, Sachsen - Meiningen, Sachsen- Coburg- Gotha, Lippe- Detmold, Waldeck- Pyrmont, Schwarzburg- Rudolstadt, Schwarzburg- Sondershausen, Reuß - Schleitz, Reuß- Gretz, Hamburg, Bremen and Lübeck? :-))
@@brittakriep2938 no I haven't but that's how it's called in English
@@not-a-theist8251 : I know, that the ,Deutsch - Französische Krieg' or, 70er Krieg' is called so in english language countries, it was just to note the prussian allies.
Another problem with a revolver rifle is having all the holes of the cylinder open and just waiting to be filled with dirt and mud. This is not really a problem for sporting use, but for military use, with soldier throwing themselves on the ground and crawling through the muck, the gun would get clogged and made useless very quickly.
Cavalry use would be just about the only practical application.
@@ostiariusalpha By the time these revolver rifles were around, the post Civil War US Cavalry had gone back to using horse mounted troops more as Dragoons rather than pure cavalry. So back to the problems.
@@barttorbert5031 Revolver rifles pre-date the U.S. Civil War, so they perfectly well could have fired them from horseback; and in fact, Colt revolver rifles were carried by the pre-war Pony Express riders for just such use. And dragoons may dismount to fire, but they were entirely too proud to "crawl through muck" as you previously commented. The chambers would have remained pretty clean.
@@ostiariusalpha I do now remember that one post Civil War US Cavalry regiment (which one slips my mind at the moment) did try revolver rifles. But the troopers were really freaked out about not being able to hold the rifle past the cylinder with their non-trigger hand to avoid chain firing and being burned. One trick was to rotate the loading lever down onto an empty chamber and hold onto it. It just never worked.
I have to push back on the comment about "too proud to crawl through the muck". Look at all the illustrations of the cavalry in the Indian wars. Get down behind a bush or a rock to keep from being shot.
I was in a small castle (Just a tower really) in Rye, Kent, UK. One of the items on display is a small revolver that could swap out the cylinder to accommodate black powder rounds or a metallic cartridge case. If my memory is reliable (don't bet on it) it was in .32, made in the 1880s, and was displayed in its original box with cleaning kit and other stuff. Have you seen anything like this?
INSAS and Arjun tank.
Oh boy, that's one hell of a combination
The Mediocre Indian Combo
Laughs in Pashtu....
for a moment o thought he was gonna say his home defence gun is the maxim machine gun like...series home.defence from a nest xD
I bought that Kyro Whiskey for my dad for fathers day after I saw you recommend it in the last video, and I gotta say, that is one of the most unique Rye Whiskey's Ive ever had. It slaps you right in the face with Rye.
nice set of questions this month
Love the last question -- you have to try Bundaberg Rum - it’s Australia’s greatest rum
Holy crap looking for lost mas 36 bolt plugs during training sounds too familiar. In basic training we had to look for a firing pin retaining pin in a massive pit of shredded rubber. It was the company exercise area. Took us a weekend but we found it.
If you could get your hands on them I’d love to see you break down some modern rifles like the SCAR or M27 IAR, either on forgotten weapons or In Range.
Glad to hear that Forgotten weapons are doing well during covid I feared that many would have pulled back on Patreon due to the Job market.
If you had the full kit for a unit with MG42 the kit had springs, boosters and bolt parts to change the cyclic rate up and down from 600 rpm to 1,200. It seems only some units were able and willing to keep the kits and then use them where lower rates would have advantageous.
25:29 The only time this comes to mind is if someone had like 3 prototypes of a specific model but even then that's fairly rare
BRING BACK Q&A
Thanks for answering my question!
The thought of Ian running off with someone's Famas honestly sounds about right.
In World War One I think there were also a lot of people early on who thought they needed weapons immediately because they thought the war would end soon.
Suddenly the demand for Maxim 9's outstrips supply......
Adding on th the second to last question 1:03:15 if given 60+ years of refinement as refinement as the M16/AR15 has what infantry rifle from the first or second or even the cold war do you think would have beaten the AR or the AK 🤔 I think maybe the FAL had it been in an intermediate cartridge.
51:20 I would add that drag is proportional to square of velocity, so lowering drag coefficient gives you significantly more when bullet is travelling at 800 m/s than when it's traveling at 350 m/s. The benefits are kinda not worth it for a gun that's being shot at 25m.
I may be wrong here, but I thought the MG-1 was a 42 manufactured in 7.62 NATO, the MG-2 was an existing 8mm MG-42 converted to 7.62 NATO, and that the MG-3 was an improvement that among other things reduced the rate of fire
0:50:37 okay, but what about 5.7 cartridge and FN Five-seveN pistol?
The very nature of the round proves the point.
The 5.7 sacrified sensability for armour penetration. Without AP, everyone would have scoffed at the 5.7 instead of almost everyone scoffing at it.
(It's also techcally not a handgun round, but frankly I consider it one so to me that'd be a moot point.)
Calico: He shot more than 200 rounds without a mechanical failure, WE MUST EXAMINE THESE GUNS
Awesome hearing about the DIY makers match here!🇺🇸
"they dont want me running off with it, if it happens to be a Famas" damn near killed me 😂
You're the 2nd source that's stated the MG-34 was preferred over the MG-42 by post war forces, but you're explanation as to "why" is much more in depth Ian. I don't recall the title of the book I read about that in, as it was many years ago.
23:09 Mk 23 is actually not a bad choice.
#1 Handguns. You have a hand free if you need to leave your safe room to get your children, or any reason. Use a phone. Open doors. Engage at arms length.
#2 23:16 It's not a carry gun. You want the most _'gun'_ you can possibly have in that hand, with the most weight to make it as manageable as possible. I'd take a heavy competition handgun over a featherweight 9mm.
#3 23:22 Silencer? Subsonic? the Mk 23 is rated for .45 super... 230 grains easily on the edge of supersonic. .45 ACP is 850fps. 67% more energy out of the Mk 23 than a .45 acp. It's heavy for a reason.
I don't much care for subsonic .300 blackout ice picking. Expanding .45 doing its job at its intended velocity and design parameters? Yes. You're not really beating that, especially pushed to the sound barrier.
With the double stacked carry options out there today... I wouldn't be surprised to see a return to high firepower handguns for any non-carry option.
Fresh Q&A? Hello there, General Ianobi
Oh hey the timescale at the bottom is separated out into sections! Now I don't have to keep another tab open with the question list.
Yeah, that's UA-cam's new(-ish) chapter feature. If you have timestamps in the description, it'll do that automatically. An actual positive update to the UA-cam interface.
Hi Ian, if you add to your description "0:00:00 - Intro", the youtube video should end up having chapters in the progress bar making it easier to see which question you're currently answering!
Done, thanks! I'll do that in the future.
D: I just told Ian what to do and he did it... I have to admit, this is a scary place to be in..
The Bofors 40mm was made in the US without proper licensing, solved after the war.
Having put a few out myself, I look forward to your Wildey video. I believe the big problem yours had at the back up match was failure to get the gun tuned to the ammo. I find one needs to do at least 200 rounds of a specific load of Wildey (in either caliber) before one can say I have adjusted the gas feed so that the gun works perfectly with this specific cartridge. Of course any variation whatsoever in primer, powder type and charge, or bullet design and weight necessitates a whole new 200 round test and adjustment of gas port. It isn't in tune yet if you can't rapid fire 3 full magazines. 2.5 magazines means you need to do more fiddling. That .45 Win Mag or 9mm Win mag ammo is expensive must be viewed as irrelevant and of much lower priority to finding the correct gas port setting. It should be noted that disassembly and cleaning may also necessitate a new sequence of gas port adjustment. This may be a factor in why the gun was not adopted as a military service pistol by someone. Cost and weight become less important than issues of consistent reliability. :)
The Mk23 with suppressor is more of a home defense club that just happens to be able to shoot bullets.
I get the joke but it's really what happens when way too many people put way too much thought into a set of requirements and a company goes above and beyond to actually meet them.
@@jameshealy4594 At *checks wikipedia* 16.5 inches long with the KAC suppressor and a weight of up to 5 pounds (full magazine, suppressor, and LAM), it really does have the size and weight of a pretty respectable club
@@jameshealy4594 yeah, the gun is just not very great.
But only because it was made exactly to fit a weird standard, and HK damn sure met that standard. It was the best possible outcome of that project.
@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 It is actually a great gun, and was beloved by many Navy SEAL teams; just not found to be quite as useful for its intended purpose as an SBR, for instance, to most other SOCOM units.
The right side charging G3 you had a while back is kinda purposely made for left handed operation