Sir Geoff Palmer OBE: Scotland and the Slave Trade: Henry Dundas Statue
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- This is a video on behalf of Sir Geoff Palmer to help encourage the Council to change the wording on the plaque of the Henry Dundas Statue, Edinburgh. #BHM
This video explains how Henry Dundas delayed the abolition of slavery for fifteen years and supported slavery as a means to ensure the economic benefit of the UK. Sir Geoff Palmer challenges the arguments that the descendent of Henry Dundas, Robert (Bobby) Dundas gives to defend his ancestor. Palmer then supports the petition submitted to Edinburgh City Council to change the wording on the plaque to make a more balanced truthful description of Dundas's actions. Palmer states that this should prevent Bobby Dundas stating that his ancestor helped abolished slavery and to ensure a sense of belonging for descendants of those who were forced into slavery.
Produced, directed, filmed and edited by Parisa Urquhart, Urquhart Media Limited
parisa@urquhartmedia.com
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Sir Geoff Palmer OBE is Professor Emeritus in the School of Life Sciences at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh, Scotland. He is a charity worker and a human rights activist.
He discovered the barley abrasion process while a researcher at the Brewing Research Foundation from 1968 to 1977. In 1998, Palmer became the fourth person, and the first European, to be honoured with the American Society of Brewing Chemists Award of Distinction, considered the "Nobel Prize of brewing".
In 1989, he became the first black professor in Scotland, becoming a professor emeritus after he retired in 2005. He was knighted in the 2014 New Year Honours for services to Human Rights, Science and Charity and holds various Honorary Degrees for different Universities and more recently received the Lifetime Achievement Award at the Scottish Beer Awards 2017, the first to win this award.
Palmer was born in St Elizabeth, Jamaica in 1940 and grew up in Allman Town, Kingston. As a descendent of ancestors who were forced into slavery in Jamaica, he has been lecturing tirelessly for many years about British chattel slavery in the Caribbean, especially in Jamaica, and Scotland’s involvement in this slavery. Having such a wealth of knowledge on the subject means that wherever Sir Geoff Palmer is lecturing he is able to discuss the links between the people and places of that have connections with this slavery. His aim is to explain historical links of slavery that should create a better sense of belonging and a better future.
Palmer has written two books on the consequences of slavery: “Mr White and the Ravens” and "The Enlightenment - Citizens of Britishness", and is Honorary President of the Edinburgh and Lothian Regional Equality Council.
So Sir Palmer is saying Dundas had influence over the law pertaining to slavery in Jamaica? I can't see how that's possible.
Dundas was not a good, decent human being. However, he lived in another time. Don’t pull down his statue but definitely get the full information about this man on a big plaque at the foot of his very tall statue. Remember, the Germans didn’t pull down the concentration camps to remind us of the evil Nazis. Thanks for the video and I think that you are a very sweet man. God Bless you.
By destroying these statues rubs off the evidence of those evil people
This history is very troubling. Dundas was not a saint by 18th or 21st century standards. But Sir Geoff doesn’t mention in this video that Dundas headed Joseph Knight’s legal team in the case he brought against John Wedderburn (not the other way around), and therefore he was an abolitionist of slavery in Scotland according to 18th century standards. I haven’t yet read Hansard about the issue with Wilberforce, nor the Joseph Knight case papers (which are in the NRS), so I haven’t come to a full conclusion yet on this matter. However, I am going to thoroughly research it from the original records.
I agree, I respect Sir Palmer, but from what I have read so far it seems like he shouting "racist" at those who disagree with him on what is clearly a contentious topic, rather than actually have a discussion.
It’s a joy and a privilege to listen to Sir Geoff,graciousness personified,hat’s off to Sir Geoff.👍😀
We need more people like Sir Geoff to help educate us and bring us together.luv n peace always
And what is ironic is that Henry Dundas has black descendants, of which I am one.
What's ironic about that?
@@ChanzoG A celebrated citizen of the Scott and a negative force to Africans around the WORLD.
In the dispora, most of us has come to grips with knowing some part of our Eourpean ancestry was criminal, detestible or at least questionable.
@@yangpuppy You have NO european ancestry you are pathetic and cringy as fuck
No you are not...
Dundas was, in the context of late 18th C, an abolitionist. The fact he took the nation's economic wellbeing into consideration and proposed a gradual, rather than immediate, end to slavery, was in no way a contradiction to his abolitionist credentials.These guys really have to engage in shoddy historical methodology to call Dundas a supporter of slavery. He's so incensed by the effect on the slaves of the added years of slavery, that he has licence to interpret history in any way that fits his thesis. Dundas to Geoff is quite literally public enemy number one.
If your ancestors were enslaved by a criminal regime, I think you may have a different opinion. Why does he quibble about another 15 years of torture? If you can't understand that you have a problem.
Thanks for doing this video! I live in Dundas, Ontario which connects to Toronto by Dundas Road.... there are talks of changing the names of both.
Yes did you sign the petition
www.change.org/p/fred-eisenberger-change-the-name-of-dundas-on?CA%3A0&recruiter=1099726265&
I work in Dundas, Ontario. It is a fitting name after a fitting man. This fake history that he extended the slave trade by 15 years is debunked firstly by the fact the bill of 1792 that he ammended was defeated in the House of Lords. Secondly, a bill to end the slave trade abruptly had been defeated in 1791. The only way to get a bill passed was to do it over time, which is better than doing nothing. Because his ammended bill was defeated in the House of Lords, the slave trade continued unabated not the other way around.
@@jordapen Well said. I wish they had passed a similar in the US. It would have ended slavery much sooner and without a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people. As far as I'm concerned, Dundas was a hero.
Plaques and statues are not erected to speak to sin but to the great accomplishments of a person. We all have sins. We all have things we are not proud of. Plaques are not the place to list them. That's what a biography is for. Go write his biography. I think the point is well stated but the intention incorrect. We do not need, nor should, to demolish remembrances because of sin or misdeed. That is the foundation of the nation and the people that built it. For good or for bad, From our 21st century eyes, slavery was one of many things they would need atone for. Destruction of historical place names, markers, etc is not the way to be heard. This was an informative video about him. Do more of that. Write biographies and histories. Be a positive impact on the world.
We should be more concerned about modern slavery as we can actually do something about that!!
Why? We play no role in Modern Slavery.
So are you saying that we should forget about the slave trade?
@@uklaw basically that's what she is saying yeah
@@uklaw she was saying slavery is going on now. No one seems to care about that but things can be done about that. Nothing can change the past so why focus on that?
#ReparationsNow
I've lived in Edinburgh for a year now and have cycled past this statue so many times and admired it, i never knew anything about the man at the top apart from the plaque until now..thank you
Thank you for educating us Sir Palmer.
Scotland and all slaving nations owe reparations to the descendents of slaves, If we trace the source of wealth that accumulated in Europe, what will we find? where did it all come from? If we trace the cause of poverty and underdevelopment in Africa, what will we find? follow the money.
No. The British used the west Africa squadron to enforce the abolition of slavery on the high seas for nearly 60 years during the 19th century. The British taxpayer was paying for the abolition of slavery until 2015. They have done enough. Maybe go after the descendants of Africans who sold other Africans to European colonial powers for reparations.
@@wonjubhoy The British taxpayer paid the SLAVERS OWNERS compensation while they were still allowed to keep those slave for an extended period even after abolition. Europes wealth was built on criminal activity, including the opium trade to China. Get a grip on your history mate. Your textbooks lied to you.
Get a life go back to the Persians, Romans, Egyptian, ottoman, Russian, the slaves are everywhere
Who cares Dundas brought great stability to the UK when we where fighting many foreign wars, he built the East India Company to a much bigger player, every country has slaves such as Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Italy, Arabs, Persians, get over it buddy🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧💎
Could he travel to somewhere less middle class and safe,like the Congo,and do something about the 150,000 slaves there? And the rest.
Where Leopold II killed 10 millions people? And stripped the country of its resources and dignity. That Congo? You're embarrassing yourself.
Too often we misuse the word "Slavery". The largest slave populations were the Brits and Scotts yet we totally skip over Serfdom and the fact Serfs were exiled from Europe and hence the word Colonists.
Coloni is a place where serfs or Donders had to live and no they were not free people.
On the other hand Slavery is the same word as Employment, Workers, Hired Labourers, Jobs...
Yes, slaves were paid and were the highest people Employees of that timeline.
To my PPL and authentic allies interact with intelligence and dig into your history with Pride do not feed toxic conversations or beg for any status..impose them ..it s a long journey #reparations #Dignity #Afrocentricity and then and only after that open your mind and spirit to all humanity with Dignity .
Recently this man is proposing removing monuments, statues and graves from Edinburgh. I understand the sentiment behind it but destroying the past is a very dangerous game. This is absolutely not the way to go about achieving what you want. Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
Stop lying. 'This is absolutely not the way to go about achieving what you want'. He says exactly the opposite. ua-cam.com/video/6hJSez661yg/v-deo.html
I agree, I respect Sir Palmer, but from what I have read so far it seems like he shouting "racist" at those who disagree with him on what is clearly a contentious topic, rather than actually have a discussion.
Yes, Sir Geoff is doing just that to ensure the inhumanity committed against people who were enslaved is never repeated, keep speaking those 'inconvenient truths', you are very qualified to do so!
@@lunalea1250 Except that he is a non-historian who was challenged by two actual historians, one of whom is possibly the best Scottish Historian of the 20th century (Tom Devine). But instead of enagaging with them on the historical subject matter, he seems to have just started shouting racist.
@@seanmacmillan5562 T
Far as I know, u don't need to be a 'historian' to know history, you're welcome to ur opinion, as I!
I am a filmmaker looking for any Scottish descendants of Africans and Afro-Caribbeans whose ancestors were in brought to Scotland in 17th or 18th century, or whose ancestors were forced to work Scottish Jamaican and Barbados plantations at that time period.
Can you make sure that you put in that it was Africans and Muslims that enslaved and sold the slaves in the transatlantic slave trade
I would be interested as I am seeking into migrating to Scotland from Jamaica.
Hi Julia, I take an interest to support your project as a Scottish descendant of Afro-Caribbean. Kindly get in touch.
Is a picture of Lincoln hanging in your home? He freed you but none of you sing his praise’s.
Yep no they won’t believe COD if they do they will have to look at them self’s they want to use the blame game yes Abraham did free them but not good enough there are some people like to be racist live to hate they don’t want peace they just want hate so sad we all can’t see eye to eye instead of blaming those who were not around. It’s not a race issues it’s a political and police issue wake up people can’t you see Satan 👹hates us humans and wants us to destroy each other👹
No, there isn't and Lincoln didn't free any slaves!
@@lunalea1250 what about the 1863 emancipation proclamation?
@@wonjubhoy U have access to the www, look it up!
On the importance of history knowledge and above all dignity.We need restitution of history, FORMAL APOLOGIES and proper REPARATIONS (symbolic and FINANCIALS) for the deportee's/enslaved human being's descendants.
The " negro question " is still burdensome , isn't it.
I would suggest you spend more time finding a good paying job and stop fretting about handouts, little
DooDoo 😉.
Doudou Thiam by your standards we shall hold you accountable for not only your ancestors atrocities but also that of your country men's.
he was an abolitionist in the Joseph Knight case he said: "Human nature, my Lords, spurns at the thought of slavery among any part of our species." In the Parliamentary debate referenced in this video, Dundas said: "My opinion has been always against the slave trade... but this trade must be ultimately abolished, but by moderate measures." He simply did not want it to happen immediately, but he absolutely wanted it to end. He never owned slaves himself so you cannot say he wanted to delay it to make more money.
I am quite disappointed by Geoff Palmer's video and the assertions he makes. My research on the subject of Henry Dundas leads me to believe that, as a pragmatist, he believed the anti slave trade bill had a better chance of getting through parliament if the process was to be gradual. As things turned out, it got through the commons, but not the lords, so Dundas's amendment made no difference to the outcome. To suggest, as the proposed wording of the plaque does, that Dundas was wilfully responsible for the enslavement of thousands more people, seems bizarre. I am in favour of teaching our children about Scotland's shameful history, but it would be good to get the facts right.Thank you for your comment.
@@dorothythomas8563 yes I entirely agree, although I would say Scotland does not have a shameful history. Some Scots have done terrible things, but Scotland as an entity? no.
None of them wanted to end slavery and the evidence is all the fruit, veg, fish and meat people eat from Asda, Tesco and Sainsburys is picked, processed by the majority of brown people who came on boats, trucks and live in squalor. Slavery adapted, they no longer have to keep the slaves in the house, just place them in social housing next to poor uneducated, drug addicted and generational unemployed entitled white people who will say, "Go back to your own country" "We ruled the world" so when the poor uneducated have a better grasp of history than historians, some is being paid to lie.
Why haven't black folks talked about the Arabs and the slave trade. Mauritania only got rid of servitude in the 80s
Because white countries are rich and whites can be easily manipulated with guilt and shame.
Truth hurts! Talk about Scotland/England role first!
@@AncestorsJourneys What about the up to date slave trade taking place in Africa just now know one seems to bother about that.
As a glaswegian.All I want to know is was he a proddy or a Tim.
This chap's obsessed with Dundas and unfortunately brings too much emotional baggage and, at times personal opinion, underscored with zero historical methodology into a debate which today has important ramifications. Leave it to the likes of Tom Devine who, in contrast to Geoff and his team, is not just an able historian, but an impartial commentator. History in the service of an agenda, however seemingly benign, is propaganda. Let ALL the facts tell the story.
Let the facts speak for them-self; what is “historical methodology”? It feels like the objections raised are more about the commentators partiality to another group writing the narrative. The Gentleman is putting across a plausible account, and it instinctively feels like a factual representation, what is the problem would the commentary feel better coming from a different mouth?
You're saying the victim of a crime should not be heard, but the criminal should be heard, memorialised and treated as impartial. Tell me you're white without telling me your white.
"Impartial" commentator? You supremacists are a joke!
Get 'Sir' Geoff to ditch his knighthood and OBE before he gets us to rewrite our history. The hypocrite.
You are the hypocrites,its your history, enslaving Africans,to fill the pockets of your elites! Truth hurts!
Another slave trader.
no he wasn't.
@G M no sorry, I was replying to the original comment
What about the Scottish slave miners in the U.K. only a couple of hundred years ago? What about the Scottish slaves that were sent to Sierra Leone??? Brush that little number under the carpet, got to keep the entire history of slavery Black!
You must be a white supremacist then
@@AncestorsJourneys And you must be an indoctrinated moron who knows Jack sh*t about history 👍🏼
It is such a shame that people do not take into account the amount of Aid that has been given to Africa for over 100 years. And if we start to go back in time then we should get reparations from Italy because of the Roman Invasion. If we want to talk about reparations then we must be fair and not biased and bigoted. This is the 21st Century most people realise we can't turn the clock back and most people do not blame children for the deeds of their parents and expect those children to pay the price of their parents' wrongdoings.
I agree with the part about repreation but the part about Foreign Aid? You take 1000 dollars but give back a few pennies and think the Africans should be grateful?
Here are the facts about what really comes out of Africa and what has gone into Africa.
www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/may/24/world-is-plundering-africa-wealth-billions-of-dollars-a-year
@@concernedpatriot7694 : At least some one has their eyes open to see the bigger picture !
@ you are very astute for the age of seven. Or does that represent seven decades? Either way, thank you - one does have to keep expanding the lenses! So often, we don't know what we don't know and have to keep delving beyond the superficial for the truth.
Aid....lucoz.aide you avin a laugh 300yrs of free labour nd 12m dead..oh sorry just remembered we also had Band Aid🙄
Henry Dundas defended Joseph Knight, and in the case he said this, “Human nature, my Lords, spurns at the thought of slavery among any part of our species.”
Having recently suffered through one of "Sir" Geoff Palmer's lectures , I must say that this puffed up Knight is in fine fiddle.
He seems to have found his stride among white , self-hating sycophants and cow-towing cultural Marxists (at least amongst Edinburgh's elitists and housewives) .
His "recreational"(his word,not mine) ponderings on the Scottish slave trade is trodden ground .
Original? Not in the slightest.
The only revelation from this mendacious nattering Jamaican (pardon me,Scottish nobility)
is his disingenuous hidden agenda.
"Scottish universities will be delt with", monuments and epitiaphs will be "looked at".
His words,not mine.
Haha sir geoff spouting the empire bullshit with no sense of irony.
J's Ran the Sl Trade
Professor Tony Martin
& Dontell Jackson we thought they were w y t è
There is no evidence that Dundas was in favour of slavery. He added the word ‘gradual’ in order for abolition to be accepted by parliament. If Dundas has not intervened in Wilberforce’s proposed abolition law by adding the word ‘gradual,’ then abolition would not have happened in his day. Let’s look at the facts with a clear head.
History is history it cannot be changed, every country has some history that is not looked at in a good light, why we have to keep looking back is beyond me, time to look at now and what's in our future, move on, if you don't like it move on to somewhere you'll be happy.
Your avatar speaks volumes as to your intelligence (sir).
Here because the good guys got Colston’s statue tae fuck
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I think you should look at history, in particular Dundas'. Your narrative is so anchored to your ideology that I feel you justify twisting fact to suit theory. We probably wouldn't like him much today, but we can only judge him by his time and for his time and place he was a progressive who definitely identified with the cause of abolition, whatever his opinion of Wilberforce et al. You've managed to slip a narrow, biased and flawed narrative onto the plaque and I can be certain all you've done is kick the topic into the long grass.
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